BajaNomad - Thank you Mr Doug...........

Thank you Mr Doug...........

yankeeirishman - 7-13-2005 at 06:38 AM

Thank you for deleting that dog war post of DavidK and MeNo! I dont see that as editing...just cutting the ol cancer out! Keep it up Doug. Let's have our board kept from such garbage.

Dave - 7-13-2005 at 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman
Thank you for deleting that dog war post of DavidK and MeNo! I dont see that as editing...just cutting the ol cancer out! Keep it up Doug. Let's have our board kept from such garbage.

Damn, I always miss the good stuff. Did anyone make a copy? :biggrin:

David K - 7-13-2005 at 08:00 AM

Yankee, you understand that I am not fighting with Me No, just correcting his ton of lies and slander he posted last night. Would you like it if someone who has never been to your home starts posting that it is so messy CPS took your kids away, you were a dead beat dad (laughable as my kids always were in my custody), and the other stuff...?

Dave, got the picture now? Doug has yet to remove Me No's lies about the great Matomi trip of 2001 (he wasn't even there) over in the thread on the wrong way pre-runner... So, please check that out.

People (who are Nomads now) that joined me for Matomi 2001 and can confirm it was a great weekend, and campout: El Camote, Mexray, Neal Johns, Bajaboy, Mike Humfreville, elgatoloco, jeans, & Westy... http://vivabaja.com/matomi

Another great campout and Matomi canyon trip was three years later in Feb. 2004: http://vivabaja.com/204

It is too bad that some people get so irritated when others have great fun in Baja, and resort to threats, lies, and harassment.

Anonymous - 7-13-2005 at 08:09 AM

http://www.baja.net/fud/index.php?t=msg&goto=9635&ri...

Make your own call what some people are like.

Bruce R Leech - 7-13-2005 at 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by
Thank you for deleting that dog war post of DavidK and MeNo! I dont see that as editing...just cutting the ol cancer out! Keep it up Doug. Let's have our board kept from such garbage.

to bad it has come to this. I didn't see the post but David K and Me no, but they usually don't use that bad of language. It just doesn't seem right that too fine Nomads got cut out and Anon is still posting his crap. I know Doug would not cut something that didn't need to be cut. but I just cant get as excited as yankeeirishman over censorship.

FrankO - 7-13-2005 at 07:05 PM

You didn't miss anything, it was pretty junior high. I personally would have liked it to stay so we could have started a poll on who has the thinnest skin or the most fragile ego. The top 3 would be within millimeters of each other at the finish. :yawn:

yankeeirishman - 7-13-2005 at 07:22 PM

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All do respect to your veiwpoints Bruce (really!).....
Hey...It was outright physical threats! You want people posting threats?to come to the El Rosario Festival looking for you to ?make things right?? I don?t think so. Censorship I asked for, no. I asked to have the damn post deleted.

Censorship of certain words and/or threats has no place here. It?s in the Rules, and the rules are backed up by most Nomads here. Fighting and name-calling?. I try to get it chilled out, but I never ask for censorship of those pit bull fights.

To not speak up about the posts that promotes threats, war parties, and a host of other garbage induce literature is not being very responsible Nomad, in my book. Bottom line is this?.I give a damn about this forum and will always be verbal towards the crap here.

Oh....the whole post was deleted BTW by Doug.

Dont eat that worm!

yankeeirishman - 7-13-2005 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Yankee, you understand that I am not fighting with Me No, just correcting his ton of lies and slander he posted last night. Would you like it if someone who has never been to your home starts posting that it is so messy CPS took your kids away, you were a dead beat dad (laughable as my kids always were in my custody), and the other stuff...?

Dave, got the picture now? Doug has yet to remove Me No's lies about the great Matomi trip of 2001 (he wasn't even there) over in the thread on the wrong way pre-runner... So, please check that out.

People (who are Nomads now) that joined me for Matomi 2001 and can confirm it was a great weekend, and campout: El Camote, Mexray, Neal Johns, Bajaboy, Mike Humfreville, elgatoloco, jeans, & Westy... http://vivabaja.com/matomi

Another great campout and Matomi canyon trip was three years later in Feb. 2004: http://vivabaja.com/204

It is too bad that some people get so irritated when others have great fun in Baja, and resort to threats, lies, and harassment.

DavidK!
You have been around here on this forum (and others) for God knows how long. I have been around for less than two years. I have recognized the vast majority of Nomads here as being good ?Joes?. . Having said this?let me point something out to you. My personal tally of you is that you post great travel information. You promote Baja and it?s people with greatness. Many Nomad replies to your postings are positive, in the most part. I really haven't seen you as a jerk ? off, an liar, optimist of monetary through your links, and so forth, and so on?..
Hence: why defend yourself here, when we all know that you are a decent, honest guy? We all read the negative responses and editorials of you?without belief! Stop biting on that worm, and getting hooked. There?s no need for your defense(s) against the fishermen here. You understand ye ol? Salty?

Oh....them threats against you yesterday....banning is very proper for that person.

[Edited on 7-14-2005 by yankeeirishman]

yankeeirishman - 7-13-2005 at 08:06 PM

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You forget to add my name on the list of folks whom went on that trip!

Damn Yankee

jrbaja - 7-13-2005 at 08:08 PM

You must have a helluva time gettin those eggs oughtta that thing :lol:

Diver - 7-13-2005 at 08:57 PM

David, David, David...

Don't you realize that your incessant defensive posts lend credence and/or attention to the validity of the originally offensive statements ?
Give it a break ! No-one cares ! :lol:

David K - 7-13-2005 at 09:56 PM

Diver, if that's your opion than that's too bad... If someone posted a lie, or personal slander about you and/or your children... are you going to remain silent?

It really is sad that this forum isn't moderated as it should be (per board rules)... then I wouldn't have to counter the lies. I fully expect my posts to be deleted that are in the slander threads started by others... Unlike some cry babies here, I never have complained to Doug about my posts disappearing.

The solution is simple: No personal mud slinging by others would guarantee no personal defense replies by me! SIMPLE, isn't it ?!

Diver - 7-13-2005 at 10:06 PM

Alice, I think the world is shrinking, in wonderland, that is.
Too bad we don't live there !

I wish I had bet someone serious $ that DK would reply, defend himself, explain himself, complain about moderators and offer a worldly solution !

Oh DK ? If you like a very tightly moderated board you can always go to Fred's instead of constantly slamming Doug ?

I will then be able to read your information and see your photos without having this terrible whine in my ears !

roundtuit - 7-13-2005 at 10:40 PM

why is everybody picking picking picking If you want to pick on someone pick on me as i am 63 have round shoulders and s**t runs down hilll and I don't know youand don't give a d---

David K - 7-13-2005 at 11:26 PM

I give up... thanks for taking over roundtuit! :yes:

Sharksbaja - 7-13-2005 at 11:46 PM

:?:

Diver - 7-14-2005 at 06:19 AM

DK, didn't you realize that Roundy was probably talking about you as well ? Wanna take a poll ? I wish you would give up - you just don't get it. I'm sure you'll have to get the last word in on this one as well....

I have been a DK supporter but you've done a great job at alienating even me. I had thought that I would like to meet you some day. Now I'm not so sure. Seems you like to hear yourself talk more than you like to actually listen to others; you're too busy making sure that your self-image is not tarnished.
Why don't you follow your own advice and stick to Baja ?
Why do you not just post on Fred's board where your sensitivities will be protected ?

I would think you would stop making statements like "I have never complained to Doug about ...." When you have actually complained on this board and when you have been caught red-handed lying, (as confirmed by Doug) Is this why you are slamming his board lately ? Because he exposed your lie ? Why don't you heed the constructive advice you are given by many? Why don't you apologize to the board for lying to everyone ? Do you think everyone still believes all you say after you were caught lying ? Save your words, they have no meaning.......anymore.

[Edited on 7-14-2005 by Diver]

Diver - 7-14-2005 at 06:23 AM

JR,

Sorry to invade your space - no offense intended !! : :lol:

[Edited on 7-14-2005 by Diver]

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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are you really afraid of David K or Me no. jumping you at El Rosario. you must be pretty paranoid. I think these are 2 pretty nice guys that are having a disagreement and for some reason want it to be public.
:saint:

Why cant you just leave things alone and make your friendly posts your always talking about. this thread is only about you gloating about having someone Else's thread deleted . if you engage in this kind of thing I would think that you would u2u Dug and thank him for doing your dirty deed. instead you start a new thread to do it. well then why cant David and Me no fight in public . :light:

I wonder if this will be deleted ? :?:

[Edited on 7-14-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

yankeeirishman - 7-14-2005 at 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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I wonder if this will be deleted ? :?:

[Edited on 7-14-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

First of Bruce...you misunderstood the readings. Perhaps I didn?t explain it clearly. Sorry. It was MeNo making threats against DavidK, not me (yankeeirishman). Besides...if anyone ever made a real physical threat against me from this forum.... there are laws now against that sort of thing. I wouldn?t hesitate filing an legal complaint and lawsuit if I felt I or my family's safety was invaded.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Anonymous - 7-14-2005 at 08:34 AM

I don't have a horse in this race, have never met any involved, and am dismayed to see an otherwise good-spirited public forum dragged down by outright threats of violence and malicious posting of an individual's personal details.

Since there are other ways to communicate to each other(u2U, email), it demonstrates an intent to inform others.

"...li?bel1 (`lī-bəl)
n. 2. 1. A defamatory statement or representation esp. in the form of written or printed words; specif A false published statement that injures an individual's reputation (as in business) or otherwise exposes him or her to public contempt
2. The publication of such a libel
3. The crime or tort of publishing a libel...

...A libel plaintiff must generally establish that the alleged libel refers to him or her specifically, that it was published to others, and that some injury (as to reputation) occurred that gives him or her a right to recover damages (as actual, general, presumed, or special damages).

The defendant may plead and establish the truth of the statements as a defense. Criminal libel may have additional elements, as in tending to provoke a breach of peace..."

It may turn out that those things written about David are true; perhaps not.

If not, an individual contemplating hiring him who decides not to on the basis of those statements is an example of actual damages.

Hire him?

jrbaja - 7-14-2005 at 08:41 AM

I use bamboo for my drip systems. And I talk to people who live in and actually know of what they speak when it comes to Baja.
In fact, I didn't even realize he was looking for a job on here. No wonder he embellishes everything, it's his resume :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 08:44 AM

yankeeirishman
there are laws now against that sort of thing. I wouldnt hesitate filing an legal complaint and lawsuit if I felt I or my family's safty was invaded.

Bruce
Do you feel this happened to you or David K here on this Forum

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Anonymous
I don't have a horse in this race, have never met any involved, and am dismayed to see an otherwise good-spirited public forum dragged down by outright threats of violence and malicious posting of an individual's personal details.

Since there are other ways to communicate to each other(u2U, email), it demonstrates an intent to inform others.

"...li?bel1 (`lī-bəl)
n. 2. 1. A defamatory statement or representation esp. in the form of written or printed words; specif A false published statement that injures an individual's reputation (as in business) or otherwise exposes him or her to public contempt
2. The publication of such a libel
3. The crime or tort of publishing a libel...

...A libel plaintiff must generally establish that the alleged libel refers to him or her specifically, that it was published to others, and that some injury (as to reputation) occurred that gives him or her a right to recover damages (as actual, general, presumed, or special damages).

The defendant may plead and establish the truth of the statements as a defense. Criminal libel may have additional elements, as in tending to provoke a breach of peace..."

It may turn out that those things written about David are true; perhaps not.

If not, an individual contemplating hiring him who decides not to on the basis of those statements is an example of actual damages.

oh grate now we have an Anonymous lawyer :lol:

David K - 7-14-2005 at 08:51 AM

Diver, a lie is to say something you know to be false.

From the things JR was saying and the actions by the moderator, I PRESUMED it was JR who whined to Doug. Doug said not so, and that is good enough for me. I am sorry for accusing JR. I do not lie.

Now, you want to bet the person who has been telling lies about me and my kids isn't man enough to apologize?

Too bad you cannot seperate my Baja posts from my need to protect my character or my family from the 2-3 here who so love to try and make me look bad.

I look forward to discussing only Baja here...

I did not promote Fred's board or mass email everyone to come to Nomad after Amigos went off the air because there is more to 'Baja' than just questions and answers... There is the potential of great friendships created from the fellowship of Baja enthusiasts. Fred's board is not for friendly conversations and social gathering... Nomad is... I contacted Doug before I emailed everyone to clear my actions with him... I have an interest in helping Doug have a great forum (the more Baja friends the better), so it pains me to see just a couple people here use it to promote their hate of me and my friends (most of you), and see so little done to to end it quickly. Doug needs more moderators and allow them to do their job as they see fit (following this board's rules).

Get a grip

jrbaja - 7-14-2005 at 08:58 AM

more moderators? :lol:

David, you are lieing again. You somehow got BajaAddict to make threats against me with your lieing and when he found out how you work, he got peeed and posted your u2u stating exactly that.
Many on here have reported your u2uing them when they first joined and making accusations yourself.
You are doing a fine job of showing everyone the true whiney David yourself. Now you are saying you don't lie when you were publicly caught at it last week. :lol:

Well, I'll say one thing, you make a mighty fine target there hombre!

Bajaddict - 7-14-2005 at 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
more moderators? :lol:

Well, I'll say one thing, you make a mighty fine target there hombre!

Bajaddict here..... Actually JR, to set the record straight, you peed me off with a few insults - I got inappropriatly angry and invited you to say them to my face. I stated that a person making such statements in person would be in need of dental work. Not exactly a direct threat - but close enough. If you did not see my earlier apology for this behaviour let me again say that I am sorry and that that kind of statement was inexcusable. I was acting on my own, with no input from DK.

David K took that oppourtunity to begin getting familiar in posts, even displaying images of myself and my wife. As he was in a beef with you at the time, I suspected that he was trying to "recruit" me into his BS. I was unhappy with my suspisions, to say the least. And was uncomfortable with the fact the he was involving my wife in his game.

The final straw came when you posted that you were physically afraid that David and I would knock your teeth out. I didn't mind making you angry, but did not want you to fear for your safety on my behalf... especially if you thought that I was in cahoots with David K****. I immedealty U2U'd you and told you that you had nothing to fear from me.

I U2U'd DK, and requested that he remove the photos. He responded "What would you like me to do? The photos are not new, they have been online since taken... What would you like me to do? The photos are not new, they have been online since taken...

It was my way of letting JR know you were not some newbie, that he doesn't know anything... plus as tough looking as you are... he might shut up! LOL" This confirmed my suspiscions, and led to my original posting of his U2U.

As I have stated before, I am my own man. I could not stand for the fact that DK tried to make me his stooge, and was invovling my wife. This game of his was repulsive chickensh*t, and had to be stopped cold.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by BajaNomad]

Take no offense

jrbaja - 7-14-2005 at 01:27 PM

Your apology was accepted as it sounded as if you meant it! No worries.
There were others who posted with the same complaints and the thread was deleted as you know.
Pretty much validates what we have been saying the way I see it.

David K

Baja Bernie - 7-14-2005 at 03:25 PM

Darn it! You are your own worst enemy and you seem hell bent on painting a target on yourself--both front and back.

Not too long ago you had, without a doubt, more friends on this board than anyone else. People were impressed with your overwhelming knowledge of Baja and your desire to help anyone. As you know I have asked for your help in developing a few short stories and you were more than happy to assist and went out of your way to do so.

That said, I have to ask you to just quit defending yourself--there is no need as most people on this board, including the ones who get a kick out of popping your bubble, know that you are a wonderful guy etc etc etc.

Doug is without a doubt one of the greatest friends you will ever have and yet you still continue to try to tell him how to run 'his' board.

Mellow out and let your friends remain your friends! Don't keep trying to push them away just because they do not agree with you in all things large and small.

I must tell you that I considered you a real Baja friend but now I try not to get involved in your posts because they end up being bossy and negative---AND that is not the David I first got to know! Nor is it the guy you wish to be.

Please give this some thought before you assume your defensive mode. Your 'showing the way' mode is so much more fun for us all.

Sure! I like JR too.

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 04:24 PM

Wow

Wow is right!

DanO - 7-14-2005 at 05:25 PM

Bruce, you keeping score? Give that round to Bajaddict.

All of this proves that anyone who uses email or instant messaging or posts on an internet forum should do so as if they'd just been given the following warning (with a nod to Miranda): Anything you say can and will be used against you. Guide yourself accordingly.

David K - 7-14-2005 at 05:28 PM

It is realy sad that people who attack me and my friends here (first) get a free card... But, if I defend myself and my children, that is wrong???

Bernie, I think you do not see the hate posted against me only my responce to it.

Bernie, I have been accused here on Nomad of stealing, forging, having my kids taken by CPS, lying, being a deadbeat, and more. Why are these lies okay to post and Me No and JR get a free ride????

Why should anybody get to use this board to slander or harass anybody???

Bajaddict, I really do not understand you. I did not post anything new that was aquired witout your knowledge. At ANY time you could have asked me to remove any photos (including ones YOU sent to me to share)!
YOU cannot even see what I asked you: "What do you want me to do?" YOU never told me before getting all bent out of shape... I was getting real tired of JR's non stop harassment of you and other Americans who had an opinion about Baja. I took the opportunity to SHOW JR with your photo (that was on the Internet already), that you were not a Baja newbie... BUT, I did it indirectly with photos of some other Amigos de Baja who are still around... and made it into a guess who game. They were photos of you and others in a public setting (BBBB-4), having fun. What was it that made these public party photos all of a suddon upsetting (to just you)? None the mater, because they are no longer on my web sites (where they've been since taken, with your knowledge).

That is quite a far cry from the link you posted to Baja.net with photos stolen from my site and worse still a photo taken with a telephoto lens of me scratching myself to embarass me or my son who was in the original photo posted on .net. That photo I requested many times to be removed... BajaBlackie (the owner of Baja.net refuses). So, he is ok to do that and you use them too?

What I did sir, was to stand up for you... and if you didn't like it you could have asked me to remove it... which you did not, you just want to continue to harm me. Thanks alot.

JR, you love being the troublemaker because it gets a reaction. I NEVER u2u newbies and warn them about anything. Bajaddict was not a newbie, and I thought I explained myself to him why I was on 'his side' to show you that you didn't know 'everything' and I used the word 'anything' by mistake... You didn't know Bajaddict was an old timer, in this case.

What many do not understand is that what I do on the Internet is to assist others to have a great time in Baja... for free. That seems to be the issue. I guess most of you are so greedy or think there is a money motive to all actions, you call me a self promoter or worse. I enjoy writing about Baja and there is no money motive. I could easily sell my bumper stickers, but I give them away because I think they help sread the Baja spirit of generosity... I even pay for the stamps and envelopes.

Baja Nomad (Doug) wanted to keep the Amigos de Baja theme going and I have helped Doug with promoting this site. Many of you came here because you read about it on web sites or got an email from me inviting you to post here.

Yes, I am unhappy that Doug allows the trash posts against others or won't get additional help to remove it quickly... I have offered as much help as I am able for Doug and this site.

I also offered to get Doug 'Baja Nomad' stickers for free that he could sell when I did the first printing of 'got baja?' stickers... So please do not accuse me of being anti Nomad. I also arranged for a famous Baja cartoonist to create art for Nomad T shirts, in order to help Doug get some kind of income from this site. It sure would be nice if more than one or two of you could show some thanks or be nice enough to also tell JR and Me No to take a hike when they (unprovoked) attack me.

If you have any more doubts or questions, just go to my web site or notebook and see if there isn't a ton of helpfull stuff so the Baja explorer in you can get some ideas... and it is FREE... NO PROMOTION, NO SALES... Just Baja details and Baja loving people there.

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by DanO
Bruce, you keeping score? Give that round to Bajaddict.

All of this proves that anyone who uses email or instant messaging or posts on an internet forum should do so as if they'd just been given the following warning (with a nod to Miranda): Anything you say can and will be used against you. Guide yourself accordingly.

Book um Dano you got that one right ,5 points for Bajaddict. :lol:

no no....!

yankeeirishman - 7-14-2005 at 06:28 PM

Sorry Bruce.... you are dead wrong. My intent here is not to fight with you on this point or to make points. It is important that some fellows here (on the forums) understand that you can get into serious legal avenues by making intent threats. Sorry
My business is 90% Internet. We get a few idiots once in a while with complaints or threats because we sue some folks for payment surrender of services. The Sacramento D.A. Office sees Internet threats as any other type of bodily threat?illegal! My lawyers have used their office twice so far. Sacramento Police Department also has a cyber division, as it is the same with other large cities of this country that goes after the lawbreakers. Recently Microsoft awarded Sacramento with a$250.000 grant to be shared with a few other towns. Yes Bruce?there IS indeed laws against this sort of non-sense. Here?s just one of many that is on the legal books (below). I dont have a clue how you think there are no such laws. Again....with respect here I write to you.

The Federal law provides an important tool to combat cyberstalking. Under Title 18 U.S.C. 875Ic), it is a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, to transmit any communication in interstate or foreign commerce containing a threat to injure the person of another. This law includes threats transmitted over the telephone, e-mail, beepers, or the Internet.

David K?.Bernie only said to you what I was trying to say?.we all know you are good. These guys are only messing with you for their pleasures.

Yaaaaaaaaaawn

jrbaja - 7-14-2005 at 06:37 PM

"Bernie, I have been accused here on Nomad of stealing, forging, having my kids taken by CPS, lying, being a deadbeat, and more."

I never said you stole, forged, dealt with cps, or are a deadbeat Dad.

I said you have spent so little time in Baja, and pretend that you know of what you speak, and have a following that have less time than you, it has made you turn into a blowhard that thinks he's cool because of spending more time in Baja than your chicken coop grouper friends. Which is also doubtful!

Why don't you post some stories, pictures of places wild, real Baja stuff, anything besides posting peoples pictures everytime they are mentioned, gps coordinates of places you haven't been, and letting us know how brutally picked on you are.

You David, out of everyone on here, are the least Baja like out of everyone. Baja guru? :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman
Sorry Bruce.... you are dead wrong. My intent here is not to fight with you on this point or to make points. It is important that some fellows here (on the forums) understand that you can get into serious legal avenues by making intent threats. Sorry
My business is 90% Internet. We get a few idiots once in a while with complaints or threats because we sue some folks for payment surrender of services. The Sacramento D.A. Office sees Internet threats as any other type of bodily threat?illegal! My lawyers have used their office twice so far. Sacramento Police Department also has a cyber division, as it is the same with other large cities of this country that goes after the lawbreakers. Recently Microsoft awarded Sacramento with a$250.000 grant to be shared with a few other towns. Yes Bruce?there IS indeed laws against this sort of non-sense. Here?s just one of many that is on the legal books (below). I dont have a clue how you think there are no such laws. Again....with respect here I write to you.

The Federal law provides an important tool to combat cyberstalking. Under Title 18 U.S.C. 875Ic), it is a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, to transmit any communication in interstate or foreign commerce containing a threat to injure the person of another. This law includes threats transmitted over the telephone, e-mail, beepers, or the Internet.

David K?.Bernie only said to you what I was trying to say?.we all know you are good. These guys are only messing with you for their pleasures.

please go back and read my posts , I never said or implied that there are not such laws. I know there are and that is good . I think you try to read to much in between the lines. and I am not that good of a writer. so it can be easy to get confused with my posts. I just think it is better to let the administrator do the editing but if you need to intervene then do so and don't replace the thread you had removed with a new one that is an obvious pat on the back for you and throws more gas on the fire for the others. that is all I meant :saint:

yankeeirishman - 7-14-2005 at 06:53 PM

yankeeirishman
there are laws now against that sort of thing.

Mmmmm....I wasnt the confused one here Sir. Nor do I arrange what I "want to read" in partial. Also, and AGAIN...I said to you "with respect to you"....(that means I was truely being nice towards you). Thanks for the slap back ol boy. Felt good.

File this under

jrbaja - 7-14-2005 at 07:08 PM

"One life to david"
"General David"
"Day's of our Davids"
" Desperate David's"

When you gossip, u2u other's with your gossip, play games in general, it seems to be contagious there DK. I would say you have had success in turning this board into exactly what you wanted and worked so hard for through your lies, denials, deletions, and (ahem) influence, a P-nche gringo novela!

Again!! :light:

Baja Bernie - 7-14-2005 at 07:16 PM

Dang! I give up.

I know all of the stuff David recycled as do all of us who read this board.

I was just trying as Yankee said to get a friend to chill out and bury the past. I even asked that David pause before he became defensive because some people just enjoy bursting his bubble.

I guess I have fulfilled my obligations as a friend and will say no more.

Yankee, It scares me that we seem to be growing closer in our approach to this wonderful board. Thanks for bringing up the potential threat of lawsuits to enforce etiquette or lack of it on this board because it allows me to disagree with your approach to problem solving.

Come on JR--enough is enough--let it rest!

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by Baja Bernie] This was edited on 7-14-05 NOT 7-15-05---right after JR last post.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by Baja Bernie]

Bajaddict - 7-14-2005 at 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I was getting real tired of JR's non stop harassment of you and other Americans who had an opinion about Baja. I took the opportunity to SHOW JR with your photo (that was on the Internet already), that you were not a Baja newbie... BUT, I did it indirectly with photos of some other Amigos de Baja who are still around... and made it into a guess who game. They were photos of you and others in a public setting (BBBB-4), having fun..... blah blah blah...... :barf:

What I did sir, was to stand up for you... blah blah blah.... :barf:

Bajaddict was not a newbie, and I thought I explained myself to him why I was on 'his side' to show you that you didn't know 'everything' and I used the word 'anything' by mistake... You didn't know Bajaddict was an old timer, in this case....... blah blah blah.... :barf:

David K****.... If having my photos up on your website, attending your crappy parties, or having you "stand up for me" validates my "old timer" status then, please, call me "Newbie" from now on. Your help is not wanted, needed, or genuine. Your "noble" actions were part of an agenda, and you got caught. You are right about one thing, you do not understand me at all.

One good thing came of posting your U2U, my inbox now stays nice and empty :lol:

just how I like it!

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by BajaNomad]

Bruce R Leech - 7-14-2005 at 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman
yankeeirishman
there are laws now against that sort of thing.

Mmmmm....I wasnt the confused one here Sir. Nor do I arrange what I "want to read" in partial. Also, and AGAIN...I said to you "with respect to you"....(that means I was truely being nice towards you). Thanks for the slap back ol boy. Felt good.

With all due respect yankeeirishman. I apologize to you for asking the questions and please forgive my stupidness and dumb remarks. and I am sorry you could not understand what I was getting at.

yankeeirishman - 7-14-2005 at 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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With all due respect yankeeirishman. I apologize to you for asking the questions and please forgive my stupidness and dumb remarks. and I am sorry you could not understand what I was getting at.

Whatever.............

Tough guys are really scared little men

yankeeirishman - 7-14-2005 at 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Dang! I give up.

I know all of the stuff David recycled as do all of us who read this board.

I was just trying as Yankee said to get a friend to chill out and bury the past. I even asked that David pause before he became defensive because some people just enjoy bursting his bubble.

I guess I have fulfilled my obligations as a friend and will say no more.

Yankee, It scares me that we seem to be growing closer in our approach to this wonderful board. Thanks for bringing up the potential threat of lawsuits to enforce etiquette or lack of it on this board because it allows me to disagree with your approach to problem solving.

Come on JR--enough is enough--let it rest!

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by Baja Bernie] This was edited on 7-14-05 NOT 7-15-05---right after JR last post.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by Baja Bernie]

Will...after reading that God-awful post that had outright threats against DavidK, I just decided to let folks here know that you can indeed follow a legal avenue to resolve real threats of harm, not name calling and such. That can be a scary thing for a lot of decent folk kind here (to be bodily threaten). MeNo was way out of line. If I was David?.I would had gone after this guy with the local police agency.

You see me not ?chasing folks? here no more. I am trying to just make this forum a nice place again??I am not trying to earn points here (as one fellow claimed here today) as being the good guy or a mouthy self invoked editor.

I like damn near everyone here ?except the (self claimed) tough guys. You know a lot about the tough guys too from your past, dont yeah?

Dave - 7-14-2005 at 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Damn, I always miss the good stuff. Did anyone make a copy? :biggrin:

I guess that won't be necessary. It couldn't have been any better than this.

Yogi got it right. It's like deja vous all over again. :biggrin:

BajaNomad - 7-14-2005 at 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Diver
...you have been caught red-handed lying, (as confirmed by Doug)...

From my side of things, I simply tried to put straight some of the speculation happening. I personally didn't see any of that speculation as lies being told -- at least that's my take on it.

--
Doug

Sharksbaja - 7-14-2005 at 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad

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Originally posted by Diver
...you have been caught red-handed lying, (as confirmed by Doug)...

From my side of things, I simply tried to put straight some of the speculation happening. I personally didn't see any of that speculation as lies being told -- at least that's my take on it.

--
Doug

And that is the operative verb.

Speaking gently to this big T discussion

Gypsy Jan - 7-14-2005 at 10:57 PM

I am very confused.

What is/was the main subject?

What is the logic line and where is it going?

What does this have to do with Baja?

And, lastly, how does this contribute to the Baja aficionados interests?

Diver - 7-14-2005 at 10:58 PM

Sorry Doug, but I don't agree. When someone (DK) makes reckless public accusations on speculation without knowing what he's talking about, and those statements are false, I call that lying.
Like saying the girl next door is easy when you have no actual clue - that's lying also; she may be a nun !

Bernie, thanks for trying, you said what I felt better than me.
He apparently won't listen to you either.
Too bad, he's a decent guy, just doesn't get it.

Diver - 7-14-2005 at 11:03 PM

Gypsy,

1. Is that unusual ?
2. There is not subject, just offense, defense, speculation and spectators.
3.No logic - going to the same place, nowhere.
4.Some of these guys live in or visit baja ?
5.Interested in siciology ?

Sorry Gypsy, I couldn't resist.
(You are right, of course.)

David K - 7-15-2005 at 07:36 AM

Nomads, please accept my apology.

Diver, I said I was sorry... how about dropping this? The posting history of one person is how come I speculated he was the one complaining to Doug. I retracted, so that is not what I would call 'reckless'.

JR, you posted above:

>>"Bernie, I have been accused here on Nomad of stealing, forging, having my kids taken by CPS, lying, being a deadbeat, and more."
I never said you stole, forged, dealt with cps, or are a deadbeat Dad.<<

I didn't say YOU made that list of statements, JR... Don't you read what Me No has been posting?

Please stop using me in your negative posts. I hope you once again remember what I have done to assist you, and to assist those seeking fun in Baja (which also helps the Mexicans)? Oh, and have a look at my web site... the photos I took alone will pretty much prove I have taken more than 'just few vacations there' as you try and get people to believe to discredit me for some reason.

Bajaddict, again I do not understand the reason for your hostility since I offered to do what ever you asked, from the beginning...., but I am sorry for upsetting you. When you pulled in behind me near Catavina to join us hiking happily to the cave art, that is who I am, and how I want to remember you. BBBB-4 was not 'my crappy party', I was a guest there like you, and I am sorry you didn't have fun at Viva Baja-4, if that is what you fealt was 'crappy'. I have no 'agenda' I am aware of, either. Unless having fun in Baja and sharing can be called an agenda.

How about it... an end to this? Want to respond to what I said here? Then u2u me instead of posting.

I apologize for upsetting anyone with my defensive replies on Nomad....

Now, come on down to El Rosario and let's have some fun next week!

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 07:47 AM

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With all due respect Don't you think that in this instance it would have been better to leave the post By Me no so other Nomads could draw there own conclusion. by removing the post you don't remove the threat you only hide it. and if indeed a threat was made from one Nomad to an other publicly on the forum do you think you are some how protecting us by having it removed? it looks to me like if what you say is true the only favor you did was to Me no.

Please If anyone ever makes a threat against me on this or any other forum leave it the heck alone so I can see it and deal with it in my own way. and also other Nomads can see where the threats are coming from also. sometimes just because you don't like what you read it is better to leave things alone. and let the people that it is directed at do what they think is right.

now with all the evidence gone we can only here your opinion of what took place.

at least Me no had the ........ to put his name on it

I appreciate what you tried to do you thought you were protecting all of us poor dumb Nomads from the big bad wolf. but most of us have a Little of our minds left and we can handle a post like that.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

come on ol mates!

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Nomads, please accept my apology.

Diver, I said I was sorry... how about dropping this? The posting history of one person is how come I speculated he was the one complaining to Doug. I retracted, so that is not what I would call 'reckless'.

JR, you posted above:

>>"Bernie, I have been accused here on Nomad of stealing, forging, having my kids taken by CPS, lying, being a deadbeat, and more."
I never said you stole, forged, dealt with cps, or are a deadbeat Dad.<<

I didn't say YOU made that list of statements, JR... Don't you read what Me No has been posting?

Please stop using me in your negative posts. I hope you once again remember what I have done to assist you, and to assist those seeking fun in Baja (which also helps the Mexicans)? Oh, and have a look at my web site... the photos I took alone will pretty much prove I have taken more than 'just few vacations there' as you try and get people to believe to discredit me for some reason.

Bajaddict, again I do not understand the reason for your hostility since I offered to do what ever you asked, from the beginning...., but I am sorry for upsetting you. When you pulled in behind me near Catavina to join us hiking happily to the cave art, that is who I am, and how I want to remember you. BBBB-4 was not 'my crappy party', I was a guest there like you, and I am sorry you didn't have fun at Viva Baja-4, if that is what you fealt was 'crappy'. I have no 'agenda' I am aware of, either. Unless having fun in Baja and sharing can be called an agenda.

How about it... an end to this? Want to respond to what I said here? Then u2u me instead of posting.

I apologize for upsetting anyone with my defensive replies on Nomad....

Now, come on down to El Rosario and let's have some fun next week!

Come on all! Let's support this. DavidK is damn near kissing your asses now...just to get peace. Be real men, and drop the negatives. Earn your righful respect back.

DavidK...you got my full support for trying to end the fire...regardless who's at fault.

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

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David K has my respect. what dose that have to do with your original post?

Gypsy Jan

Baja Bernie - 7-15-2005 at 08:48 AM

Nice try Gyspy but sometimes these crazy things are a lot like a burro that has been held back from water--Nothing is going to stop them until they bust a gut.

I'm off this one--see you 'all' later on a funner and friendlier thread.

Oh Bruce R Leech....."got brains"?

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 03:42 PM

I really dont give a rats rump about your reputation here as I once thought you were pretty cool of a Nomad. Till a few days ago. Are you uptight, drugged out, bad fishing trip, no rumpomatic last night...what? What!! You wish to flame me? And Troll? Over and over? 3 or 4 times in this post . In a mood for fun and games? Fine...I'll bite! My promise not to be a jerk, is officially on hold! Com on Mr Igor...lets spill the brains here. I could use some entertainment from you. :lol:

Stay current with the readings and you'll be will informed. Perhaps you need to read your statements before posting them Bruce R Leech. ...If you insist that you are a poor dumb Nomad...you said it, I didn?t! In your case, I agree with your statement.

Evidently there were others that read the post in question...and agreed (Mmmmm...the guy who deleted it in the first place, Doug!). You are making statements that you haven?t the slightest firsthand knowledge of it?since it was you that claimed to have not read it. Geeze Bruce. You want to attempt to tear down the things I have to say? Fine?let?s have a go at it!

?get a real reply with guts to it, will you? You indeed are here flaming me?fine. I?ll go with you for a cyber fight. You want to attempt to tear down the things I have to say? Fine?let?s have a go at it!

?David K has my respect. what dose that have to do with your original post? Bruce R Leech.
Hello? Hello? Any lights on in there, Mr. Bruce R Leech? Read the DavidK response! IN THIS TOPIC POST! Again?you spear another dumb ass question towards me. Need some help getting that big fat foot outda your mouth? You want to attempt to tear down the things I have to say? Fine?let?s have a go at it!

It was a decent post till you wanted to flame it out. You want to attempt to tear down the things I have to say? Fine?let?s have a go at it! I suggest you not quote law in the next response?you already got knock down on that that slumbering statement of ?there?s no law of protection for any threats on the Net. Please Bruce?the next response?put some intellectual thinking into it. You want to attempt to tear down the things I have to say? Fine?let?s have a go at it!

Geeze Bruce..I guess I'll take a break from being "Mr Nice Guy", and let you have a go at me. Just because I have been real cool here on the forums, dont mean that I'll take your crapola.

Take my advice??..let it rest.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by yankeeirishman]

David and my regular spats

jrbaja - 7-15-2005 at 04:22 PM

that have been going on for a number of years, don't hold a candle to this! :lol:

Mike Supino - 7-15-2005 at 04:25 PM

Great call Jr!

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 05:43 PM

where did I say this :?:

let?s have a go at it! I suggest you not quote law in the next response?you already got knock down on that that slumbering statement of ?there?s no law of protection for any threats on the Net.

this is an out and out Lie. :fire:

for that you lose 4 points and a lot of creditability in my book :no:

no wonder you are going ballistic if you dreamed up in your head that I said that . you better quit smoking that stuff. :lol:

if any one can See where I wrote that statement let me no where. I cant even see where any one wrote that. I Guess Yankee is the one that dreamed it up. :lol:

get a grip Yank that is a pretty low blow. just admit you made a mistake and Ill go home :lol:

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

bajaruby - 7-15-2005 at 05:54 PM

GOOD GOD YOU GUYS........
If JRBAJA and I can shake hands and give it up. Then I think anyone can.....I don't even know the man and was wishing is was a squirt again...If you get my drift. I was just a girl once, and
I never give up, but how stupid it was to fight with some slinging words on a computer.
Unless you guys accually know each other, why fight about it. And if you do, TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!

This and nothing matters here, except baja. LIES, LIES, LIES!
GGAWD!!!! Who cares. If there are good pic and good stories....WHO CARES!!!!! BAJA, BAJA,,, BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAJJJJJJJAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! :bounce:

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by bajaruby]

Sorry to disappoint you Ruby

jrbaja - 7-15-2005 at 06:00 PM

but that was nothing compared to the real battles fought in the past! :lol:

And, neither is this one!

I think you guys need to step it up a might, wouldja! you know, Mom wears combat boots, my Dad can kick your Dad's katootie, etc.

Quit pussyfootin around :lol:

bajaruby - 7-15-2005 at 06:03 PM

Damn JR,
Should have known you'd be there. didn't even get to read my post and you with a broken arm are right there on my butt. How are you old man?

790 the way I figure it!

jrbaja - 7-15-2005 at 06:05 PM

bajaruby - 7-15-2005 at 06:10 PM

?????? 790?, :lol:

Either I'm to young or to old of an old gal.
But I'm still cool,...... well in mind! :lol:

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by bajaruby]

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

?let?s have a go at it!

??let?s have a go at it!

?Fine?let?s have a go at it!

Fine?let?s have a go at it!

4 times in one post . that sounds like a personal threat to me I'm not a fighting man. I am afraid for my life someone help me please. :lol:

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

?let?s have a go at it!

??let?s have a go at it!

?Fine?let?s have a go at it!

Fine?let?s have a go at it!

4 times in one post . that sounds like a personal threat to me I'm not a fighting man. I am afraid for my life someone help me please. :lol:

Yeah...I thought so. you ran out of steam. Child like responses now. You cant even comprehend a paragraph. Geeze...I was just warming up with you. Com on Ol boy...give me all ye got!

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 09:01 PM

you don't have an answer about your lie? :lol:

I win

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I win :bounce:

Your stupidness and dumb remarks is what you win. Oh....that was another quote of yours. Cant handle the heat Brucie? Oh Okay....I will refrain from another remark towards you.........unless you flame me again. Now..go pee on someone else that will take your b.s.

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 09:18 PM

you don't have an answer about your lie?
:lol:

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
but that was nothing compared to the real battles fought in the past! :lol:

And, neither is this one!

I think you guys need to step it up a might, wouldja! you know, Mom wears combat boots, my Dad can kick your Dad's katootie, etc.

Quit pussyfootin around :lol:

Hey jr...your buddy here needs some lessons on "How to Flame and get away with it"! :lol:

He thought I would remain silent after all his half baked flames at me. Hell...I think I am not going to let go of him for weeks! Months! Being rude to me for no damn reason with four flames in an roll....this guy is on his way, of being debated by me on every single post he does. I hope his facts are 100% correct with anything he posts. The ol 1-2 knock out he did to me...will be returned to him.

There you go again. Ya still peeing on your own leg Brucie. Cant even type an simply sentence. ?you don't have an answer about your lie?? is what? Perhaps you can get you pet dog on the keyboard to type for you. In fact?have the dog explain to you, why you shouldn?t confess to being ?stupid and dumb?
posted on 7-14-2005 at 07:02 PM http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=11578&pag...

Sure?lets take the ?lie? statement. Make it clear as to what you are talking about, and I?d be happy to respond back to you, Brucie. As I asked from your earlier?give me a real response full of substance?not these little child like remarks. Are you able to do that? Mr. Lawyer ...got any more great advise for violent crimes? :?:

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 06:38 AM

where did I say this

you said
let?s have a go at it! I suggest you not quote law in the next response?you already got knock down on that that slumbering statement of ?there?s no law of protection for any threats on the Net.

this is an out and out Lie.I never quoted any Law. I only agreed with your quoting of the law. it is all here in these 2 threads.

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 06:42 AM

you said
Sure?lets take the ?lie? statement. Make it clear as to what you are talking about, and I?d be happy to respond back to you, Brucie. As I asked from your earlier?give me a real response full of substance?not these little child like remarks. Are you able to do that? Mr. Lawyer ...got any more

you are the only one on these threads that referred to the law.

yankeeirishman - 7-16-2005 at 08:04 AM

After seeing my u2u box this a/m. stuffed with requests for me to leave you alone, I shall comply with those wishes.

Yes...my kid does indeed read this. There were no foulness to it. No threats.

Yes...you would like me in real life. Thus...I serve no hate towards anyone...unless you serve it first.

And now a part for you Bruce, that I think you will love:

I am retracting my words on what you said about the legalities of the Net (only). I went back to that (yours) post to re-read again. I had read wrong. You had indeed said there ARE laws.

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 08:20 AM

thank you and dittos to you. Friends again I hope. :saint:

Bruce

Baja Bernie - 7-16-2005 at 02:51 PM

"Ditto's"?????????Interesting :lol:

kiss kiss

yankeeirishman - 7-17-2005 at 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
thank you and dittos to you. Friends again I hope. :saint:

Sure Bruce....I got a dozen Roses and one of them kissing yankee dolls being sent to you :lol: