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Oxygen in Guerrero Negro??

Anonymous - 10-8-2003 at 03:24 PM

Regarding oxygen for Jimmy's road trip. Perhaps someone who can speak Spanish could call the Guerrero Negro Hospital and see if they could help out. The number is (615) 157-0433 and 157-0300. From the US that would be 011-52- (615) 157-0433. But maybe someone down there could call.

The Hospital is located on the main drag, through town on the left as the road curves to the left.

Hope this helps...

Oxygen in Loreto

capn.sharky - 10-8-2003 at 03:43 PM

The hospital in Loreto has a machine that can fill oxygen bottles. This would be the main hospital accross the street from the big Pemex station. :P

Eli - 10-8-2003 at 04:37 PM

Well, how ironic, Pop, Bernie and I were just discussing the fact that there just had to be some place along the trans-penninsula (sorry on the sp., don't have a checker on this) highway were they could get the bottles filled. Anyway, Bernie suggested that we go on board to check and before I got to ask, it was already answered. Wow, is that cosmic or what!:O:lol:
Anyway, we do thank you mucho for your input. I will be home and on my own phone tomorrow and can start calling. Any body else have any ph#'s for this? For sure i t's a real handy piece of information, not just for Don Jimmy, but for anyone, ya never know.

Oxygen in Baja

thebajarunner - 10-8-2003 at 05:05 PM

Don't tell the Feds or the health folks but here is a very well kept secret....

Oxygen is oxygen!!! The only difference between industrial and medical is that medical has a chrome ring on the bottle. Inside it all came from the same bulk supply.

Baja Vida!!

So, if stuck for gas you can always find a welding supply store, or even a welder, to get some gas replenished.

(Yes, I own part interest in a welding supply store- the above is true!)

Anonymous - 10-8-2003 at 05:29 PM

Loreto hospital on Paseo Ugarte is (613) 135-0270

Loreto Cruz Roja is (613) 135-1111

Santa Rosalia IMSS Hospital (615) 152-2381

Hope this helps...

jeans - 10-8-2003 at 07:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thebajarunner
Don't tell the Feds or the health folks but here is a very well kept secret....

Oxygen is oxygen!!! The only difference between industrial and medical is that medical has a chrome ring on the bottle. Inside it all came from the same bulk supply.

Baja Vida!!

So, if stuck for gas you can always find a welding supply store, or even a welder, to get some gas replenished.

(Yes, I own part interest in a welding supply store- the above is true!)


What about dive shops? Don't they "tank up" with oxygen? Just a thought. Is there is a difference between "medical grade" and the plain SCUBA stuff?

Another idea. How many tanks would he need to make the trip? And could he take with him enough to get him home?

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by jeans]

Baja Bernie - 10-8-2003 at 07:42 PM

Jeans,
I know nothing about this except what Don Jimmy's nurses tell me--there is, according to them, a difference between commerical and medical oxygen--they say that commerical has not been filtered enough--Re diving shops they do NOT sell pure oxygen but only natural air. Ask Jimmy it does make a great difference.
I agree with Sally it is crazy that her, our question was answered before asked,
Viva the Don!AND THANK GOD FOR BAJA PEOPLE!!

Baja Bernie - 10-8-2003 at 07:47 PM

Woops, Each oxygen tank is good for max 4 hours so is will take about 8 tanks to get Jimmy home without visiting on the way. When he gets home he will need to be greeted by an oxgygen generator (whick we --he has). Should he fly it will only take a half a tank for the trip. Glad it is NOT my decision.

oxygen

thebajarunner - 10-8-2003 at 07:58 PM

wanna hear it again??!!
the only difference between medical oxygen and industrial oxygen is the chrome neck on the bottle.

ask an O2 guy that you trust....

but don't ask the Feds or the meds.
they don't like the truth.

Baja Vida!!

Eli - 10-8-2003 at 11:38 PM

Thanks ever so much for all of your input. It will be most valuable to me when I get home to my familar phone, and get down to some serious research on the matter.

sorry Bajarunner but you're wrong.

capt. mike - 10-9-2003 at 07:59 AM

Medical oxy contains a moisture content, literally a % af water mix which is not present in comm'l or even aviation oxy - trust me, i've been through the ropes on this issue for reasons i won't take time with here. Yes, i buy BOTH av oxy AND med oxy. the med oxy has the water in it to not dry out people who depend on it constantly. if they used reg ol' comm'l dry oxy their passages would soon become severely chaffed. Its ok to use it in an emergency, or short term but not the long haul.

and of course dive shops only fill with compressed air, not pure O2.

BTW - If jimmy can get even welders o2 etc. on the ride home and prefers to see the highway the full length we can easily move towards that scenario - the main thing it's his call and we have to be confident that he'll have plenty of Gas.....so to speak!

jeans - 10-9-2003 at 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
Medical oxy contains a moisture content, literally a % af water mix which is not present in comm'l or even aviation oxy - trust me, i've been through the ropes on this issue for reasons i won't take time with here.........and of course dive shops only fill with compressed air, not pure O2.



Thanks, Mike for clearing that up. You can tell that I'm not a SCUBA diver!

I sure hope that Sally will be able to find medical oxygen at some of the hospitals along the way. There's gotta be a way!

Eli - 10-9-2003 at 07:58 PM

Sitting here safe and sound at home where I belong.

Reading all the goings on up there. Sounds like You all have a pretty good handle on what path the ol Man will take comin on down home.

I left San Diego with the impression that he would most likly fly in with Mike next weekend. Than I got home and checked in with Dona Lupe. got the report from her that he was coming home via tierra with Char in tow, leaving el otro lado around Tuesday. And you know that I just had to chuckle to myself, knowing full well that one way or the other, the OL MAN IS COING HOME in excellent company.

Meanwhile, I shall call around to those #'s posted by a most kind anomymous.

Hasta Manana, Dios Quiere.



[Edited on 10-10-2003 by Eli]

reefrocket - 10-9-2003 at 10:51 PM

Just a couple of thoughts (insert disclaimer here to not dispute anyones posts) If the only diff. in med. O2 and weld O2 is the H2O in it then hows comes the hospitals have that little H2O perculator in the line? And as a diver, know that any H2O in a tank will freeze in the valve upon release to a lower pressure?
Have heard the same as thebajarunner says from my local welding supplies dealer that sells Med. O2.
Lastly SOME dive shops (probably very few in Baja) do have PURE O2 for mixing their own blend of dive gas-- 'nitrox divers' -- but they get theirs from a supplier and can't sell/rent the O2 separately and probably only to card carriing divers certified on mixed gas diving.
Just info for them that give a hoot -- deep divers that have to stay down LONG time use Helium O2 blends as this relieves the affect on Nitrogen Narcosis(sp) --(like laughing gas effect [very dangerous when in a hostile inviroment]) also diving on Nitrox blends are FATAL if used in deep diving [beyond 120 ft](from what I have been told and read. -- {ps} don't think 'hummin beans' can live on only O2 as the body need Ni to do stuff...OK class dismissed for today. There will be no quiz on this tomorrow. AS it is probably all wrong anyway:D

PS Jimmy best of wishes, continue the improving.

Well, interesting stuff RR....My info comes from

capt. mike - 10-10-2003 at 06:45 AM

a Pilot who is also an aviation medical examiner. But - WTF??!! Docs are known to both disagree with each other and be full of caca.....

Lives Touched

Capt. George - 10-10-2003 at 07:47 AM

Jimmy, with all the lives you have touched, spiritually you will be riding home in a very long caravan...

Capt. George

Oxygen

thebajarunner - 10-10-2003 at 05:08 PM

Thanks for backing me up Reefrocket.
You are correct. At our weekly management meeting this morning I again reviewed with my partner who manages our industrial gas distributorship as follows:
All Oxygen come from the same bulk source.
You are correct. The nebulizer, in-line, adds the moisture content for the medical user. Also, moisture is removed from aviation oxygen because of the fear of freezing at altitude and therefore stopping the flow.
Having owned a non-pressurized 210 I can verify how dry the nasal passages got from our 02 after an hour or two of use. This too can be cured with an in-line nebulizer.
Nothing is ever added into the bulk source. This would leave the product open to all kinds of contamination, it must be added outside of the bulk tank.
O.K. class, repeat after me, ALL OXYGEN COMES FROM THE SAME BULK SOURCE. Just don't tell the Feds or the meds, they don't like to hear it.

By the way, while this may seem a bit redundant it is good info for someone dependent on oxy who is in a remote place and needs the stuff for survival, i.e. Baja California.

Baja Vida!!

Eli - 10-11-2003 at 07:48 PM

Still digging thru all the information pertaining to where one might obtain Oxygen along the Trans-Peninsula Highway. One would think the subject of obtaining such would be pretty cut and dry, but alas a chinga factor does also minimally dictate in this little chore.

So far, the most cooperative source being with the Cruz Roja, ph. #(616) 165-3637, in San Quintin. Contacted a lady named Yudith. If called ahead with an ETA, they can arrange filling of the tanks upon arrival. For sure I would suggest in all locations that this be accomplished during regular working hours, M-F.

The Hospital in Guerrero Negro suggested that one go direct to their source, Sr. Carlos Montelongo. Again calling at #(615) 157-0627 ahead to confirm ETA upon leaving San Diego would be prudent. Also, he only has capacity to fill large tanks, and as such would need an adapter in order to fill the smaller tanks. No one else brought this up, but it would be wise to have it, just in case.

In investigating future South, San Ignacio would be idea, but I haven?t found anything there as of yet. So, expect Santa Rosalia will be our next source. In Santa Rosalia the Cruz Roja is down town in Plaza Juarez. The phone # is (615) 152-0640, with Nelson Romero as the most helpful Comandante in charge. Again, wouldn?t hurt to call ahead with EPA if at all possible.

Of course, the Social Security and Isste are completely lost in the bureaucracy, no registration number with them, no service, so, we will have to by pass them as being of any help in our present effort.

The ph# for the Paseo Ugarte hospital we contacted in Loreto did not answer, so we will have to try them again on Monday. Called the Centro de Salud across the street from the Pemex, same scenario as Cruz Roja, they all advised that they are dependent on Constitution for their source, so so-far we have struck out there, and by the time one gets to Constitution, they are almost home free to La Paz.

Still, I did track this source also, just in case it is useful. In Ciudad Constucion one would contact Gases Industriales, un Sr. Langarica is in charge, ph. #(613) 1320140. Again, I advise calling ahead.

Hope this covers it for all concerned. Still, if anyone else has more information, sure it would be most helpful.







[Edited on 10-12-2003 by Eli]

what about getting a 12v. inverter to plug

capt. mike - 10-12-2003 at 04:31 AM

into the cigar lighter of the car, then plug in the oxy generator that's 110v. and he can have that the whole way, with some tanks as a back up. You can get an inverter that will produce the juice. Minnow has an oxy gen i think.

That's a great idea

jeans - 10-12-2003 at 08:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
into the cigar lighter of the car, then plug in the oxy generator that's 110v. and he can have that the whole way, with some tanks as a back up. You can get an inverter that will produce the juice. Minnow has an oxy gen i think.


You can get the inverters at Fry's. I have a small one ...175 watt...I got for my laptop. This brand, Xantrex also comes in 400 & 700 watt. If the 175 would work, you can take it.

I was also wondering if there was room for a larger oxygen tank so they wouldn't have as many refills.

more than you want to know about oxygen

Eli - 8-17-2004 at 04:50 PM

Hi again, thanks to Doug's great house keeping; I instantly found this not to terribly old posting on oxygen issues, quality discussions and locations. Most likly more than you ever wanted to know on the subject, but here you go.

Happy trails from Oaxaca, Sara

[Edited on 8-17-2004 by Eli]