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comitan - 9-7-2005 at 06:37 PM

You decide?

http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/

[Edited on 9-8-2005 by comitan]

rpleger - 9-8-2005 at 08:50 AM

WOW.....

Cincodemayo - 9-8-2005 at 10:01 AM

Would you be considered to be an insurgent to the petroleum companies if we all started using it? If so I'm ALL for it!
As Jay Leno said are the gas stations now coating the nozzles with Vaseline?

Uglyhat - 9-8-2005 at 02:10 PM

There's a lengthy thread adressing this on one of the motorhead forums. 'hope it's OK to post the link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363724

If that link doesn't work, go to forums at the above site, look for the 385 series forum (429's and 460's), and look for the header re adding acetone to improve fuel economy.

I find the idea plausible but have no way of knowing for sure. The explanation in the article mentioned above makes sense, and would further guess that it's not added to our gasoline because of pollution regulations (acetone is quite volatile). Acetone is also a potent carcinogen, so try to keep it off your skin (one pathologist told me it goes 'straight to your liver').

Ug

Baja&Back - 9-14-2005 at 11:59 PM

I use Acetone in my Dodge Hemi PU (gas guzzler) & get 2.4 MPG EXTRA. No kidding. The trip computer gives me precise readings.

If I use a tankfull without Acetone, the mileage falls immediately to what I used to get.

Just get a couple of 2-3 Oz bottles & keep them filled in the vehicle. Saves big bucks nowadays!

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2005 at 05:10 AM

DON'T USE IT!!!! :fire:

This stuff could eat up rubbery parts in you fuel system and cause nothing but problems.

Gas companies spend MILLIONS to produce the correct gas to run in cars and trucks.

The manufacturers make engines to adjust to different grades of gas.

I knew a marketing guy from Texaco who's job it was to get people to buy upgraded gas....he laughed EVERY DAY!!!

NO ONE needs to upgrade their gas or add gas additives.

THERE IS NO CURE FOR THE COMMON COLD!!!!
A sucker is born every minute....( or something like that)

Gas cost enough to feed the beast no need to repair it too!!!!

"As Jay Leno said are the gas stations now coating the nozzles with Vaseline? " :lol:

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Bob and Susan]

natural gas may be the answer...

eetdrt88 - 9-15-2005 at 08:00 AM

to our problems :lol:

Al G - 9-15-2005 at 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
DON'T USE IT!!!! :fire:

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Bob and Susan]

Bob or Susan,
What Oil company did you say you work for???
Acetone in the recommended amount 2-3 oz to 10 GAL. can not and will not damage anything. I have been using acetone since the 70's in my race cars and delivery trucks and all personal vehicles and boats,(Not 2 stroke).
For any of you out with older Baja vehicles that has trouble passing CA smog, put in a set of plugs even if your not missing at idle( wires too if you are) and 4 oz of acetone to 10-15 gal. gas then drive 15 miles then do your test. Fill your tank afterwards. Also air your rear tires up high.
If the thing has compression it will pass with new car standards. the only proof I have(before and after) documented is my bi-annual CA smog test on my 200000 mile jeep. If someone can direct me how to post a scanned before and after results I will post it. It was almost a gross polluter (I at times go awhile without using it). Without acetone I get 15 mpg, with acetone I get 19+ mpg. I have 150-151 lbs compression. Bob and Susan what is you proof??? and don't give me a bunch of self serving oil company rhetoric. If NASCAR rules allowed it every driver would use it. In 30 years I have never had a single repair related to acetone in fact I have used MEK a lot and never had a problem.
I don't use it because it cost 40% more and with no noticeable difference in results.
I repeat "where is your proof?
Albert

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Al G]

[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Al G]

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2005 at 08:38 AM

Al you gave me a task....

but...unless you are a chemical engineer you're jus blowing gas like the guy above

i'll be back

comitan - 9-15-2005 at 08:45 AM

Bob&Susan

I have been doing a lot of research on this in other forums, and you find people skepical like you to people that have been using it for years and swear by it. Everyone that uses it claim increased gas mileage.

baja Steve - 9-15-2005 at 09:03 AM

I started using actone about 8 years ago on our ranch. We add 2 oz per 10 gallons to both gas and disel. I drive a durmax pu and I get at least 23 mph on the highway. My brother has one he does not use acetone and when I drive it the best I have got on the highway was 19. We have never had any problem using acetone just better millage

Al G - 9-15-2005 at 09:13 AM

Does anyone know what for format to use to scan and post??? :?:

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2005 at 09:24 AM

...don't put my head on that guy!!! :lol:

Al G - 9-15-2005 at 09:56 AM

In 1976 I built a new engine for my race car. (short track oval) We did a dynamo test on several different things, one was acetone and MEK. Back then more was better. Acetone at 10% gave a 8 hp increase good for us then so we didn't try smaller amounts. Today I believe if we had been smart enough to use what is recommend now the results would have been much better. I have never known why, but surface tension makes a lot of sense. I almost believe refineries build this(surface tension) into fuel to make more money.
As Bob pointed out I am not a chemical engineer, but real life proof is real life. This is not the paid for :mad:

word of a chemical engineer. Bob referred to a "friend" so I will refer to my friend, who as a Steam Fitter over the last 15+ years and has been building plant after plant to produce Methanol in the mid-west and as soon as they are completed they are bought by an oil company and hires the same company to dismantle it. He makes a good living, the construction company makes good money with a guaranteed sale, the oil company maintains status
quo and it keeps us bent over. :fire:

oladulce - 9-15-2005 at 09:57 AM

I'm sure that once you get in the habit of adding the acetone after you fill up, it can become part of your routine.

But I can see us driving around with the back seat loaded with full 2 oz bottles because we kept forgetting to add it.

The dashboard would be covered with post-it notes reminding to "add the dang acetone" or we could lease out the back seat to some nice Vietnamese ladies who open a nail salon which would supplement the costs of the fill-ups.

Al G - 9-15-2005 at 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
...don't put my head on that guy!!! :lol:

As mad as this subject make me, you could put my head on him so I can get some relief.
:lol:

comitan - 9-15-2005 at 10:22 AM

Al

Calma,calma, are you not just about ready to come down? Think good things and think of the good gas mileage your going to get with that acetone.

Al G - 9-15-2005 at 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by comitan
Al

Calma,calma, are you not just about ready to come down? Think good things and think of the good gas mileage your going to get with that acetone.

Thanks comitan, needed a good slap upside the head and yes 6 weeks or so I will be headed south. I am not sure that acetone will help that much with this 18000 lb beast. I will give a report (list my log book)as to the mileage. I have been getting about 6.5-7mpg( 7 mpg test to Las Vegas and back) without acetone(no acetone in this one yet). Would have ,but had not thought about it for my motorhome. Baja and back(2800+miles)should give a very accurate measurement. At this low of Mpg a 1/2 mpg would be like WOW!!
I am now looking forward to testing as it is perhaps the best platform(54000 on it) with the greatest possible benefits.
Also I want to warn people again not to use acetone in 2 stroke engines. It will dilute the oil for lubrication.
Al

comitan - 9-15-2005 at 03:34 PM

Al

You might consider a vacuum gage if you follow it you will get better gas mileage, at that MPG any little bit helps.

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2005 at 05:40 PM

My first response from emails today...the responder asked not to be quoted...

My first "friend" was my marketing professor at Cal Poly Pomona in 1978..he was a Vice President Marketing for Texaco Oil.

Here it is...
Bob,

Here are some answers to your questions about acetone in gasoline.

Acetone mixed with gasoline will degrade the fuel lines faster than gas alone.

Why it does this I'm not exactly sure, but ketones (class of organic compounds like acetone) are notorious for swelling polymers and leaching out plasticizers.
It may do some of these things to your car and you won?t want that to happen.

Acetone lowers the flash point of fuel and a lower flash point fuel will improve fuel economy.
Cheaper grade gasoline also gives you better gas mileage because it has a lower flash point.

You can also get a 'pinging' in the engine (pre-ignition sparking coming from the gas igniting too early). This isn't good for your car.

If you own a high-performance car, the compression in the cylinders REQUIRE a higher-grade fuel with a higher flash point to run correctly. So don?t put this stuff in your Porsche 911.

Remember Bob; acetone is about 5% water.
You wouldn?t want to put water in your engine or gas tank.

Acetone and gas will not react when combined, but you probably don't want to add acetone for the following reasons:

1. Pre-ignition of the fuel

2. Damage to fuel lines from normal acetone properties.

3. Water in acetone condenses inside cylinders and rusts out gas tanks.

4. Ketones and other oxygen-bearing organics like ethanol have been known to produce carcinogenic incomplete combustion products in exhaust. This means the exhaust is NOT CLEAN!!!

When the price of gas goes up there are always people looking for ways to stretch their gas-dollar.

John

Well this must mean something???

Al G - 9-15-2005 at 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
My first response from emails today...the responder asked not to be quoted...

My first "friend" was my marketing professor at Cal Poly Pomona in 1978..he was a Vice President Marketing for Texaco Oil.

Here it is...
Bob,

Here are some answers to your questions about acetone in gasoline.

Acetone mixed with gasoline will degrade the fuel lines faster than gas alone.

Why it does this I'm not exactly sure, but ketones (class of organic compounds like acetone) are notorious for swelling polymers and leaching out plasticizers.
It may do some of these things to your car and you won’t want that to happen.

Acetone lowers the flash point of fuel and a lower flash point fuel will improve fuel economy.
Cheaper grade gasoline also gives you better gas mileage because it has a lower flash point.

You can also get a 'pinging' in the engine (pre-ignition sparking coming from the gas igniting too early). This isn't good for your car.

If you own a high-performance car, the compression in the cylinders REQUIRE a higher-grade fuel with a higher flash point to run correctly. So don’t put this stuff in your Porsche 911.

Remember Bob; acetone is about 5% water.
You wouldn’t want to put water in your engine or gas tank.

Acetone and gas will not react when combined, but you probably don't want to add acetone for the following reasons:

1. Pre-ignition of the fuel

2. Damage to fuel lines from normal acetone properties.

3. Water in acetone condenses inside cylinders and rusts out gas tanks.

4. Ketones and other oxygen-bearing organics like ethanol have been known to produce carcinogenic incomplete combustion products in exhaust. This means the exhaust is NOT CLEAN!!!

When the price of gas goes up there are always people looking for ways to stretch their gas-dollar.

John

Bob,
Please do not consider anything I say on the subject at hand as a personal attack aimed at you. I am sure you are a gentleman and wonderful person. This discussion is truly a educational exercise only.
I did say opinions of oil company's twist and spew people would hold no merit.
I should not, but feel compelled to answer.

1. Pre-ignition of the fuel

The addition of acetone increases octane not decreases it.
I don't expect you to understand combustion, but be assured when an engine knocks you need to increase your octane. Acetone will not cause pre-ignition of the fuel period. This has not ever happened, but let us say it did. A simple 1/4 degree retarding of ignition would solve the issue.

2. Damage to fuel lines from normal acetone properties.

Bunk! We are talking a concentration of 640 to 1 part acetone.
You dilute acetone 640 to 1 with water you would have a great women's exfoliater. Only kidding
CAUTION: Acetone degrades cheaper plastics. They can not,and will not degrade modern quality fuel systems plastics. They are trying to use yesterday to confuse you. The oil company's answers years ago was "degrades rubber". I am glad he did not try to run that one past me, as they have not used exposed rubber in a long time. If they did the amount of acetone used would take a hell of long time.

3. Water in acetone condenses inside cylinders and rusts out gas tanks.

The answer to each is, YES. What can I say? The combination of acetone and water super cleans your cylinders!! The word condenses is what they play on. It is meant to scare you. The fact is water is absorbed by acetone and is readily burned. At high idle take a coke bottle of water and slowly pour it down your carburetor. Then take it out and put the pedal to the metal and watch the carbon blow out the back. I am not saying that water is good for your engine. To much of anything is not good, except maybe prayer. Now consider this. Acetone 640 to 1 (2 oz to 10 Gal.). Water 5% of acetone " Remember Bob; acetone is about 5% water" Can any of you good mathematics people tell me how much water that is? I don't think I can measure that minuscule amount. The fact is opening you gas cap at almost anytime you accumulate more then that. Should we even mention how much water is pumped into our tanks through the pipeline. Again, acetone absorbs water and burns it. Acetone rusting the tank. When??? 20-30 years??? Did you notice they did not say it rusted the cylinders.

4. Ketones and other oxygen-bearing organics like ethanol have been known to produce carcinogenic incomplete combustion products in exhaust. This means the exhaust is NOT CLEAN!!!

Before I get into this let me post a quote"
"
Acetone
A colorless, volatile liquid with a sweet odor. It is considered the least toxic solvent in industry. It can occur naturally. It is used in the production of lubricating oils, chloroform, pharmaceuticals, pesticides, paints, varnishes and lacquers. If present in water, it is more likely to volatilize or biodegrade before bioaccumulating or adsorbing to sediments. Acetone will also readily volatilize and biodegrade in soil. It is also a common laboratory contaminant, so its presence in a sample does not always indicate its presence in the environment. Synonyms - Dimethylketone and 2-propanone.

Again I refer to the 640 to 1 use rate. I have been handling and using Ketones for 40 years. Oh I forgot I am sure I have cancer and should not be able to type!!!!!!!!!!
How many excuses does the oil company's really have?????? They know they are dieing and are holding on by their nails. The world is running out of stupid people.
My God, do the oil company's really think that their product does not produce carcinogenic by products????
If you want to be part of the future invest your money in QTWW. The oil company's will surely say the by product (water) will surely rust your pipes. Now if the by product was Pacifico they would quit their silliness and drink one with us.

Albert

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Al G]

Bob and Susan - 9-16-2005 at 06:18 AM

Al?you?re correct
I?m nowhere near a chemical engineer.
This discussion is truly an educational exercise only.

Just because something is posted on the Internet doesn?t mean it?s TRUE.
Posting something like ?Pouring Acetone in your tank? is just not a good idea.
People do things stupid?
I see lots of Internet hoaxes and myths that gullible people truly believe.
I would HATE to see someone that poured a chemical in his or her gas tank to get better mileage break down in the middle of MEX1.

?Motor Heads? that change stuff on their car or truck always amaze me?people are ALWAYS trying to invent a better mouse trap.

?A simple 1/4 degree retarding of ignition would solve the issue.?
Again?Car Manufactures spend MILLIONS to produce a quality long lasting car. Why change something that?s not broke!!!

(RE:Water?)?Bunk! We are talking a concentration of 640 to 1 part acetone.?
Water injection systems are made but?they don?t work for the ?common man?.

And the?Women?s Exfoiler = I?m sure a MAN invented that TORTURE DEVICE :lol:

?remember the one that ?rips? the hairs out?OUCH!!!

?They can not, and will not degrade modern quality fuel systems plastics.?
But with todays plastics being made in every part of the world how does someone know until it?s too late and they?re stuck on the Santa Rosalia grade?
Don?t assume that if you ?Buy American?, the parts came from America.
Third world countries do a lot of the ?dangerous? manufacturing.

?Acetone rusting the tank. When??? 20-30 years??? Did you notice they did not say it rusted the cylinders.??
I agree here?I?ve only kept 2 cars longer than 4 years, my 911 and my Sunbeam Tiger?both gone now. Who are you saving it for???The next guy?

?Ketones?have been known to produce carcinogenic incomplete combustion products in exhaust. This means the exhaust is NOT CLEAN!!!?
I pretty sure ALL exhaust is CANSEROUS right now without Acetone!!!
I?m like every ?OLD GUY? and have sucked in lots of gas, paint fumes, and asbestos.
I just hope I beat the odds. :yes:

comitan - 9-16-2005 at 07:02 AM

Again?Car Manufactures spend MILLIONS to produce a quality long lasting car. Why change something that?s not broke

:lol:

Thanks Bob

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 07:08 AM

A reasonable and responsible reply and I think we should leave it here for other to make up their own minds.
Best regards
Al

David K - 9-16-2005 at 08:46 AM

Back in my days at Palomar College where I took a series of automotive mechanic classes, one of the instructors regularly poured a Coke bottle (the old fashion small ones) of water down the carb of his Ford, keeping the RPMs up so it wouldn't stall, exactly like the post above stated... He claimed it 'steam cleaned' the inside of the motor, no harm done! Perhaps 1950's mentality?

Later, I installed a water injection system on my Subaru 4WD in the days of 79 octane Pemex NOVA gas... It worked fine.

If acetone was so dangerous, thousands of Vietnamese nail salon girls would be dropping over, ... true?

It does seem odd that such a tiny amount would have such a good result on economy, yet not have any negatives... So, why isn't it added to some brand of gas, like Techrolene is added to Chevron?

Tell you what, as Antonio is an engineer (electrical not chemical, however), I will ask him about this later...

You would think we would see late night ads on TV for an acetone miracle fuel inhancer, though???

It is and they do

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Back in my days at Palomar College where I took a series of automotive mechanic classes, one of the instructors regularly poured a Coke bottle (the old fashion small ones) of water down the carb of his Ford, keeping the RPMs up so it wouldn't stall, exactly like the post above stated... He claimed it 'steam cleaned' the inside of the motor, no harm done! Perhaps 1950's mentality?

Later, I installed a water injection system on my Subaru 4WD in the days of 79 octane Pemex NOVA gas... It worked fine.

If acetone was so dangerous, thousands of Vietnamese nail salon girls would be dropping over, ... true?

It does seem odd that such a tiny amount would have such a good result on economy, yet not have any negatives... So, why isn't it added to some brand of gas, like Techrolene is added to Chevron?

Tell you what, as Antonio is an engineer (electrical not chemical, however), I will ask him about this later...

You would think we would see late night ads on TV for an acetone miracle fuel inhancer, though???

... "So, why isn't it added to some brand of gas, like Techrolene is added to Chevron?"
I would think that Techrolene blows a hole in the story of additives have no merit, or does it show the oil companies deceptive ways.
I see mileage ads all the time and I am sure some have some acetone. I will not pay the price.
Sorry Bob, Techrolene (spell?) was to big a target. They can sell us something, but we should never think for ourselves. :?:

Uglyhat - 9-16-2005 at 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by comitan
Again?Car Manufactures spend MILLIONS to produce a quality long lasting car.

I must take some exception to this statement. Car manufacturers are in the business of selling cars. Their heirarchy of priorities probably goes something like this:

1) Stock price, profits, shareholders.

2) Meeting emissions standards.

3) Meeting safety standards.

4) Fuel economy.

5) Reliability.

6) Performance.

- just my 2 clams

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 09:56 AM

I forgot to say " techorlene could be acetone" has all the same properties.

Homebrew Gasoline

MrBillM - 9-16-2005 at 10:00 AM

Regardless of any supposed merits to these additives, aren't you spending a lot of time and effort to save a relatively insignificant amount of money ? So far, the gasoline increases have not made that much of a dent in consumer spending.

If the U.S. were determined to address the Oil crisis seriously, they would set rules in motion to drill for more oil in the domestic market, increase refinery capacity and focus on increasing the amount of Ethanol produced and utilized. I watched a History Channel segment the other day on Ethanol use in Brazil. It's was interesting to see what a country could do if they had the determination. All of the downsides to Ethanol have been addressed because they made it government policy to do so.

Bob and Susan - 9-16-2005 at 10:01 AM

...hey I thought we were done????

Techrolene :lol:

Marketing...Laughing cartoon cars :lol:

Gas is Gas.

Remember Chevron/Texaco/Shell= SAME COMPANY!!!!

Priorities for car makers:
MAKE MONEY Period!!!
Market Share

"They" don't care about ANYTHING else!!

The Government only wants the car makers to provide jobs (and they do this well) so the economy will continue.

We're just ants in the ant farm!!!

ps
AL Texaco hasn't got back to me yet....thik they ever will???? :lol:

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Bob and Susan]

Gas IS Gas

MrBillM - 9-16-2005 at 10:14 AM

Amen to that. When I was younger, I had a Brother-in-law who was an engineer at the Standard Oil Facility in El Segundo. The line you heard so often from Gas Station operators was that the small independents bought at discount from the major refineries the sub-par gasoline they produced. Asking him about that, he said that they pumped ALL of their product from the same tanks, no matter who the customer was. Additionally, they sold product to other major suppliers (Shell, Texaco, etc) when those producers had shortage problems.

On a different subject, but related to the above, I once had a friend who tried to get me a job with Firestone Tire and Rubber in Salinas. At the time, Firestone was operating at high capacity because the Union was striking Goodyear (or Goodrich ?) so Firestone was producing their tires in addition to it's own. Think about that the next time you hear a tire manufacturer talk about the superiority of their product.

gas IS gas

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 11:10 AM

This reminds me of a story of the 70s gas shortage.
May have told this on another thread?
I had a manufacturing plant in a little town called Wallace. (cabinets)
My close friend Ron had a Exxon station in Valley Springs. while everyone else had to wait in line for two hours, he, myself and family went down at night and filled up. This was important to me because I had trucks for delivery.
The reason I bring this up is in order to get gas the supplier would only allow him to open 2 hrs a day creating the impression of a shortage. There was never a time he couldn't get his tanks filled and pumped more gas then he had ever before. He was a good guy, but he was making a killing. It was the most profitable time in his whole life.
I don't know if it was guilt or what, but I have been :mad:

at oil companies ever since.
Also your are right he never knew which brand he was selling next, and if you think all gas is equal think again.
many times he had to make them clean his tanks because it was contaminated. Mostly water.
Albert

[Edited on 9-16-2005 by Al G]

Bob and Susan - 9-16-2005 at 11:15 AM

..gas and water don't mix :biggrin:

Water in the tank is a leak or condensation.

His FAULT!!!!

He probably left the HUGE tank empty....

Todays stations have FILTERS to remove the water.

bajaden - 9-16-2005 at 12:49 PM

Thanks for all the info guys. Its been an interesting discussion. Being the adventurous type I'm inclined to try it. I could tell a few Oil company stories but they would be redundet. Well, off to the hardware store to buy some acetone. Funny, I was in printing for 22 years and used the stuff all the time. Never thought of putting in the gas tank.

comitan - 9-16-2005 at 12:57 PM

Bajaden

I put mine in a bottle with a little trans. fluid. Probably won't do anything but it seems a though I was told by someone the top cyl. lub they sell was atf. thought it would be good idea.

Bob and Susan - 9-16-2005 at 02:00 PM

WOAH!!! :lol:

Now we're putting trans fluid in the gas too??? :lol:

Type F or Type A??? :lol:

What NEXT??? Salsa or Vinagar??? :lol:

How about just plain ol gas.... :saint:

mrchuck - 9-16-2005 at 06:15 PM

Moth balls, anybody remember mothballs added to your gas tank for street racing? I do.
White gas for your outboard motor, another memory,,,,
Saludos,,,mc

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
..gas and water don't mix :biggrin:

Water in the tank is a leak or condensation.

His FAULT!!!!

He probably left the HUGE tank empty....

Todays stations have FILTERS to remove the water.

I must of have not mentioned this was in the 70's.

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by comitan
Bajaden

I put mine in a bottle with a little trans. fluid. Probably won't do anything but it seems a though I was told by someone the top cyl. lub they sell was atf. thought it would be good idea.

The closest description: Acetone+ATF="Tolene" or "Xylol"
Quote:
"Adding Tolene is just an octane additive",( years and years and still a miss conception!! Al) "I don't know what the negative sides are.(none except loss of horse power-Al) When I used to run turbo cars it wasn't uncommon to see guys mixing this stuff in their garage before heading out. I never
bothered; it reminded me too much of adding mothballs to the gas tank" -
"another octane additive that I just never tried on my own.StreetRacer." (talk about old school)
I point out these additives as "Bunk" ATF mix, tolene (toluol), and Xylol (Xylene)
Any oil will reduce octane!!! This is the excuse the Oil companies used to state: " acetone will cause your engine to PING (knock). They are lumping all Ketones together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are confusing the issue of acetone! :mad:

[Edited on 9-17-2005 by Al G]

The Gull - 9-16-2005 at 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
WOAH!!! :lol:

Now we're putting trans fluid in the gas too??? :lol:

Type F or Type A??? :lol:

What NEXT??? Salsa or Vinagar??? :lol:

How about just plain ol gas.... :saint:

What kind of salsa? Cruda? Picante?

Diver - 9-16-2005 at 08:02 PM

I'll have to check the bottle and see what;s in the additive I use.
Lucas fuel additive can be used for diesel or gas engines. When I add the occasional dose to my diesel, it improves my mileage more than it costs.
Alos supposed to clean injectors, etc. Seems to work for me.

Salsa does not improve mileage; except when ingested with chips. :lol:

Al G - 9-16-2005 at 08:15 PM

Is beer a ketone? It improves my mileage until about 9:00 pm

Bob and Susan - 9-16-2005 at 09:01 PM

...we used to use beer as brake fluid on the sand rail....

what a waste :lol:

The Gull - 9-17-2005 at 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Al G
Is beer a ketone? It improves my mileage until about 9:00 pm

No, it is an alcohol. While there are distillation impurities in all spirits that are ketones, booze is not a good source of ketones.

Cheap tequila has a good supply of ketones in it and may lead to better gas mileage when taken internally before driving. It could get you all the way to a state-run prison without using any of your gas.

Hi Gull

Al G - 9-17-2005 at 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Gull

Quote:

Originally posted by Al G
Is beer a ketone? It improves my mileage until about 9:00 pm

I knew there was a reason I like tequila (Real Hacienda).
I know I'll get good mileage with that stuff, but the only thing I will ever drive on those Ketones is my fishing pole.
:lol:

and no, not the boat I don't have yet either. I like to beach fish and imbibe, but not on a boat, well maybe a couple if I'm not driving.

AL G

The Gull - 9-17-2005 at 03:19 PM

...bless you. You are safe.

Sharksbaja - 9-18-2005 at 11:56 PM

My pa used benzene, tolulene triclorethylene, MEK, acetone xylene all the time for evaporative films in early electronics. . He tried all of em in his cars in various ratios.
His main probem was inferior hoses and seals and he was overzealous with their use. He always said acetone was his favorite but gave up his quest in the early 70s for a better fuel. He used to wash up with trichlor!

He chain smoked also but never got cancer from anything. His ticker quit at 80.

My auto shop teacher showed us the coke bottle trick too.
I must sat Al, you DO know yer way around the combustion engine.
Ain't nuttin' wrong wit a lil' perimentin', done some myself

A warning

Al G - 9-19-2005 at 09:35 AM

With the responses to the coke bottle "trick" and some implied credit, I think it is time to warn about a danger.
If for some reason you try this, do it when you intend to travel long enough to dry out the exhaust system.
I don't think it will work on cars with brains anyway. Just use acetone. Will do the same thing.

[Edited on 9-19-2005 by Al G]

can you use acetone as a marinade???

eetdrt88 - 9-19-2005 at 09:40 AM

Al G - 9-19-2005 at 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by eetdrt88

Yah, that and tequila will make anything better
:lol:

backninedan - 9-19-2005 at 10:30 AM

I used acetone for a marinade and my steak went 10% further.