Guadalajara vs. America, 3PM today (AZ time) Telemundo.
(For the uninitiated, these are the two greatest traditional rivals in the Mex leagues. They hate each other. Fans wear teeshirts with cartoons of
the goat peeing on the eagle and vice versa.)
?Soy Chiva, y que?
Really ?
MrBillM - 9-11-2005 at 09:57 AM
Do you think the number is that High ? Sounds optimistic to me.Oso - 9-11-2005 at 11:13 AM
OK, .0000001%. Ummm, let's see- me, Ferna and Aldo.
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fdt - 9-11-2005 at 11:26 AM
would mean about .165%. We need one more.bajaden - 9-11-2005 at 11:33 AM
Sorry Oso, I have to watch two flys mate. Oh, and a football game....Oso - 9-11-2005 at 11:40 AM
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Sorry Oso, I have to watch two flys mate. Oh, and a football game....
I understand and hope learning the technique helps with your problem of inadequacy.David K - 9-11-2005 at 11:43 AM
Maybe if it was called FUTBOL instead of Mexican Soccer?
Just funning yah Oso! Let me know if Lorenzo connected with you, by the way...Oso - 9-11-2005 at 01:14 PM
David, by "Mexican" soccer, I meant within the Mexican leagues, as opposed to "International" soccer. Today's game is probably of interest only to
Chivas and Americanistas. Interestingly enough, every weekend you can watch "Futbol Ingles" and "Futbol Argentino"on the Mexican channels . Watching
Leeds play Manchester with the commentary in Spanish only is a hoot.
Haven't yet heard from LdB, looking forward to it.larry - 9-11-2005 at 01:32 PM
El clasico. Arriba las Chivas!
HALFTIME
Oso - 9-11-2005 at 03:57 PM
So far... 0-0
America: "The gang that couldn't shoot straight". Many more shots at goal than Chivas but couldn't sink one of them even when it was wide open.
Oswaldo: (Chivas goalie) Luckiest bastard on the field. Doing a crappy job but saved by teammates and pure luck several times.
Hero of the game so far: El marco (the goal frame) several America's shots have bounced off the posts or crossbar.comitan - 9-11-2005 at 04:01 PM
Oso
Sounds realy dull, since I'm watching agassi& federer on TV muted, and listening to the 49rs on satelitte Radio.
0-0 ?
MrBillM - 9-11-2005 at 04:12 PM
That's one of the problems with Soccer. All these guys running back and forth for what seems forever and the score is Zip.
It's been said before, but in the U.S. "soccer is the game of the future and it always will be ".
I've got a German friend who thinks Soccer is the only game in existence. He once cut short a visit with me down in Baja (in perfect weather) to go
back and watch an important Soccer Game that we couldn't get on Dish Net. He harasses me over Baseball and I harass him over soccer.
To each their own.
Final 0-0
Oso - 9-11-2005 at 05:22 PM
Great game!
I know that's incomprehensible to the non-fans. How can a game with 90 minutes of continuous action (two 45 min. halves but no time outs) that ends
in a scoreless tie be exciting?
Well, it was. If you can't understand it, it's your loss.
GRACIAS: To Cuahutemoc Blanco (America Forward) for whacking Oswaldo (Chivas Goalie) in the nose with his elbow. Apparently it was what was needed
to snap him out of his first half torpor. After a minute or so with an ice bag on his face, he got his groove back and made several great saves.
MUERAS: To the ref for that totally unjustified bad call (as verified by replay) dissallowing the Chivas goal at Min. 18 of the second. NO HABIA
NADA! Shoulda been 1-0 Chivasarbitro.
NEW WRINKLE: The "tactical camera" that used great graphics (much better than a few squiggly arrow lines) to illuminate the field into different
colored zones illustrating percentages of usage, etc. For those willing to learn, this should help in understanding the strategies (yes, they have
strategies) in a game which, to the ignorant, appears to be just a bunch of guys in silly shorts kicking a ball around.
Wow
MrBillM - 9-11-2005 at 05:38 PM
Darn, I missed it. Is it going to be shown again on tape ?
To be honest, I have given Soccer a chance. Our son was in youth soccer for three seasons and we went to every game. Before and after that time, I
went to a number of Outdoor and Indoor Pro Soccer games with my sister in San Deigo. I've given it a chance and understand it, just don't care for
it, but then I rarely watch a Pro Football game anymore, either. Baseball is another story. The oldest game around is still the best. I have loved
it all my life and always will. Different tastes. While I don't care for soccer, I do like Rugby or Austrailan Rules Football. Sort of what Soccer
should be.
BTW, the fact that there are no time outs is one of the principal reasons for it's lack of commercial appeal.Oso - 9-11-2005 at 06:32 PM
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BTW, the fact that there are no time outs is one of the principal reasons for it's lack of commercial appeal.
You're right about that, although technology is now helping to sneak in mini-commercials super-imposed on the screen while the action is relatively
slow. Around 10-12 yrs or more back (I forget), I was in NC for the first U.S. coverage of a World Cup with American and British commentators. It
was god-awful. Since there were no time-outs, they just broke in with commercials anyway, while the ball was in play. Commentator: "Well, we're back
and it looks like there was a goal during that break. We'll try to find out what happened." As infuriating as that was, the commentary during
televised play was worse. There was no play-by-play to speak of, The f***ing idiots kept up an inane patter about past games and anecdotes on the
personal lives of players like Pele and even interviewed has-beens WHILE THE FREAKING BALL WAS IN PLAY!
Thank god, four years later, I could get Univision and listen to Andres Cantor ( Mr. Goooooool!) in Spanish.
But Bill, I have to ask; since you've made it abundantly clear that this subject is of no interest to you, why do you keep responding to the
thread?
I enjoy the company and comraderie
MrBillM - 9-11-2005 at 07:11 PM
I just like to get in a little good-natured give and take on the subject. You should hear my German friend and I go around and around on the subject.
No offense meant.
I remember around 1990 or 1991, I think, we were on patrol with the Coast Guard Auxiliary on Lake Havasu over the July 4th holiday and all of the
crews, including the Coast Guard Reservists took the middle of the day off to watch the World Cup Finals at the bar. It was a good time and I enjoyed
the game.Oso - 9-11-2005 at 08:55 PM
Fair enough. And the criticisms of the state of the game and its low scores are accurate and valid. I still like it anyway.
Like many things, it's a lot different in the stadium, surrounded by the high energy levels than it is on TV.larry - 9-11-2005 at 09:36 PM
Although I am a very casual soccer fan and do not understand all the nuances, I enjoy watching Liga Mexicana futbol. The Mexican players are more
stylish than MLS (although they do not do particularly well in international competition against the US).
It is a specious argument to say that there is not enough scoring. If seven points were awarded for a goal, as they are in American football, then a
4-2 soccer match would be 28-14. It is the same amount of scoring, just different points awarded.
And unless you are a big fan of TV commercials, soccer has to be a choice over football. It is particularly irritating to me, when I go to see my
beloved Cal Bears play in person, and we have two minutes of inaction so that folks at home can watch beer commercials. This doesn't occur in soccer.Dave - 9-11-2005 at 10:11 PM
I had to really try to get to like soccer. Now, with the exception of baseball, it's my favorite spectator sport. I had the same complaints that Bill
and others have about the low scoring and pace but I have come to appreciate it just as I appreciate a 1-0 baseball game. Really, when you consider
the size of the field and goal area it's amazing that the scoring is so low. That's because these guys are so good.vandenberg - 9-12-2005 at 10:48 AM
In my youth,soccer and baketball were THE games played in Holland. Kids play it in the streets with a tennisball and their jackets for goal posts.
Like American kids play baseball ( playing catch ) It is that way all over the world and the reason European and South American players are among the
best. Lots of practice. If you like to see some superior games in the next couple of days, ESPN has the Champions Leauge on at 12.30 pm MT. This is
regarded as the best soccer in the world.bajajudy - 9-12-2005 at 11:13 AM
Oso, Bill is just lonely...pobrecito
I was in Guadalajara when Chivas and America were playing. Do not go out to eat while this is happening. Everyone, including the waitpeople, will
be watching the game and to heck with your carne asada or torta or qualquier.
The enthusiaism is contagious. Just be sure to watch the crowd and see which team has the majority and go with them.
Go CHIVAS
What, Me Lonely ?
MrBillM - 9-12-2005 at 11:36 AM
I have NEVER been lonely in my Life, other than occasions in my youth where I was prowling for girls with loose morals or reasonable prices (or
both).
I enjoy the company of SMALL groups of friends at times and solitude at others. Some of the most pleasant days I have spent have been alone in Baja
or out sailing.
This Forum business is a great social outlet. You can communicate ideas, exchange philosophy and vitriol without actually having to tolerate the
physical presence of others. Works for me.
I like to jibe my soccer obsessed German Bud by telling him that the popularity of head ball is just another example of the economic superiority of
the U.S. Soccer became popular in the third-world because it was CHEAP. The only expense was the cost of a ball spread among a group of peons. In
the U.S. we were wealthy enough that MOST could afford the cost of equipment needed to play baseball.bajaden - 9-12-2005 at 07:00 PM
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Sorry Oso, I have to watch two flys mate. Oh, and a football game....
I understand and hope learning the technique helps with your problem of inadequacy.
Has my wife been talking again? I keep telling her, inspiration, its all about inspiration. Where's that save the turtle add when you need it.bajaden - 9-12-2005 at 07:03 PM
Oso, I have to admit, I used to love to play soccer. I just never could get into watching it. Even at the game. Kudo's to those that love it. I'm sure
I'am outnumbered.Oso - 9-12-2005 at 07:20 PM
Probably most fans love it because they loved playing it at some point in their lives. I'm definitely too old and crippled to run like that anymore
but I remember the sense of freedom, like a wild horse in the wind, unencumbered by bothersome armor, unimpeded by artificial halts, restraints,
complicated rules, just running and running, thinking on my feet, outwitting opponents with clever footwork, impressing girls, and then...beer!bajaden - 9-12-2005 at 11:14 PM
You brought back a lot of memories of my youth. Funny, the only thing left is the beer.
Sports Excitement
MrBillM - 9-13-2005 at 11:17 AM
"Tickets were being resold for $500 or more. Millions of pounds were bet on the outcome. People jammed pubs and skipped work to watch the action or
listened to the play on their computers. Tony Blair interrupted a speech on education to read out the score at tea time. But for once, it wasn'
soccer that was bewitching all of Britain. It was the most sedate and graceful game of summer, played on uncounted village greens: Cricket. 'It's made Cricket once again what it used to be when I was a child - a national religion .......It's wonderful,
wonderful', said Terry Howard, a London advertising executive."
A poll in the Sunday Times this week said cricket, not soccer, is the sport that best represents "traditional " British values. In results that were
fairly uniform across ages and genders, 66 % of respondents said cricket better reflected the national character than the more popular, and more
money-laden, sport of soccer.
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The celebration was occasioned by underdog England defeating Australia in a rivalry that dates back 123 years.
Excerted from the Los Angeles Times, 13 Sep 05, A5
Cricket is another sport I've tried to understand, having watched portions of numerous games on Fox World Sports, among others. I
think I understand it fairly well, but have yet to become enthused.
The fans of Soccer continually lament here in the U.S. our lack of enthusiasm and support given that it's the world's most popular sport. Using that
same measure, the same should be said of Cricket, which is the world's second-most popular sport. How about it ?
It appears that, among it's followers Cricket is rabidly embraced. One indicator of that is the PPV coverage on Dish Network is sold for a higher
usage charge than any other sporting event. Although, Since WWF and other fighting events are right up there, I'm not sure what that means.
arbitro.
