BajaNomad - Beercan, this is for you

Beercan, this is for you

bajalera - 10-1-2005 at 08:48 AM

"you must not read much"--beercan

Yeah, right. I don't read much.
Baja California on the right
Mexico on the left

[Edited on 10-1-2005 by bajalera]

bajalera - 10-1-2005 at 09:02 AM

Here are a few more. The books down the hall and the wall of food-related and cooking books would probably be overkill, so I'm not including those.

[Edited on 10-1-2005 by bajalera]

Phil S - 10-1-2005 at 09:31 AM

Wow Bajalera. Any chance you've got an extra copy of The Enchanted Vagabundo, written by Don Lamb, maybe written l937 Phil S.

bajajudy - 10-1-2005 at 10:47 AM

Lera
You must love books as much as I do. Looks like you could start your own book business :smug:

Phil

frizkie - 10-1-2005 at 10:50 AM

Do you by chance mean "Enchanted Vagabonds"
by author Dana Lamb?

You can order that book online through Barnes & Noble

Publisher: Harper & Brothers
Publish date: 1938

bajajudy - 10-1-2005 at 11:05 AM

That is one cool book.
Those ladies sure were adventurers, werent they?

Sharksbaja - 10-1-2005 at 01:10 PM

I bow down to the literate. Boy do I feel left out. I know who the history buff on Baja is. Can you imagine the (huge) "political reference" he must have?

Thanks lera,

beercan - 10-1-2005 at 02:17 PM

looks like you may be close to me in the reading dept.
We're probably around the same age.

When I was in elementry school in Alabama, we only had a library truck that visited about once a week--! was the biggest user of books !! During high school in Arizona, the librarian and I got to be very good friends !!

Actually, I was referring to the thread and the adjacent one that quoted loony mom Cindy. Didn't intent any aspersions on your reading habits .

Good grief maN

jrbaja - 10-1-2005 at 04:03 PM

This is no place for civility!

bajalera - 10-1-2005 at 04:17 PM

Always nice to meet another bibliophile, beercan.

But you may want to revise that age assessment. I'm older than Skeet, who claims to be older than dirt.

At 62 , I am younger than a lot of dirt.

beercan - 10-1-2005 at 05:05 PM

But old enough and mean to hold my on in the dirt throwing here :lol:

a bouts !!!

David K - 10-1-2005 at 09:30 PM

Lera, GREAT library shot! Wow... I have most of my Baja collection jammed into one bookcase... but there is some overflow of magazines and maps in another part of my home.

Those interested in older Baja books, we have a thread where I posted photos of many of the old guidebooks and some others... Here's the link to Part 1, of 5... http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=5604

The Baja Cactus library collection is growing nicely and they will be available for research in the near future... in El Rosario. The custom bookcase is already in the motel's lobby.

Neal Johns - 10-1-2005 at 10:22 PM

1. Mexico left, Baja right, just like Lera!

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by Neal Johns]

bajaden - 10-2-2005 at 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajalera
Always nice to meet another bibliophile, beercan.

But you may want to revise that age assessment. I'm older than Skeet, who claims to be older than dirt.

Alright, number 1. If your going to start using big words I'm done here. Number 2. Im 64, and I don't like any reference to dirt. Number 3. I don't like being humiliated with a gaudy picture of your books. Especially when all I have is one shelf, of which one half are fishing books about baja.

Maybe I could rent them from you. Just for picture taking and such.

Pretty impressive lera. Did You ever make a list of what you have or what you would recommend as mandatory reading?

Another, be still my heart. Jr and the word civil in the same sentence. The world is going to hell.......

The Book Baseline

MrBillM - 10-2-2005 at 10:03 AM

I, too, own a lot of books and I guess I could take some digital pics to join in on the one-up competition. In my case, I'd have to take photos in two different houses and two different garages. Is that legal ? What's the prize ?

Those are some impressive collections (quantity, anyway) and I'm sure that, like me, all of you have read at least part of each and every one of them. However, I'm not sure that owning books is an indicator of knowledge or intellect.

When I first came to Percebu, the only fulltime neighbor in the camp was just across the road from me, a retired Army Sergeant. His book collection was the most extensive I had ever seen and he continually added to it with each trip to the U.S., browsing one book store after another. Using that standard he was, no doubt, the SUPREME intellect.

Unfortunately, he was also a Crazy Loon. For fifteen years, I could look forward to his ramblings everyday I was in camp, except for those days he decided I was one of the enemy and avoided me. He finally went totally berserk in a dispute with the landlord and got into his truck one night and drove off, leaving his house, contents and other vehicles behind, never to be heard from again. His books are now distributed all over the camp, including our place. His house was finally bulldozed a number of years back. I wonder if he settled somewhere else and went back to volume book buying.

Something tells me Bill

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 10:11 AM

that when you first moved to Percebu, Lera had already seen more of Baja and made more rural friends than any of us ever will. One of the advantages of being an adventuress with a professional adventuring husband.

She just happens to like books too.

And The Winner Is ..............................

MrBillM - 10-2-2005 at 10:21 AM

Like I said, What's the prize for the winner of this competition that others seem so fascinated with winning ? A Bamboo chicken-coop ?

Heck, Lera probably has made more "rural" friends in Southern California than I have and I was born there. I could care less how many friends I make anywhere or isn't that evident ?

I guess if there are going to be added points for making friends and kissing babies, I have absolutely no chance of being competitive so I won't bother photographing my books. I'm devastated to be out of the running. Boo Hoo, Woe is Me.

p.s. The downside to having been around so long "adventuring" is that, statisically, I'm probably going to still be adventuring when the older sages are maggot bait.

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by MrBillM]

No prizes involved

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 10:32 AM

I just think it's cool that some of us got to do the adventurin before the condos, tourists and suvs overran the place.
No need to get hostile there tough guy :biggrin:

bajaden - 10-2-2005 at 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
Like I said, What's the prize for the winner of this competition that others seem so fascinated with winning ? A Bamboo chicken-coop ?

Heck, Lera probably has made more "rural" friends in Southern California than I have and I was born there. I could care less how many friends I make anywhere or isn't that evident ?

I guess if there are going to be added points for making friends and kissing babies, I have absolutely no chance of being competitive so I won't bother photographing my books. I'm devastated to be out of the running. Boo Hoo, Woe is Me.

p.s. The downside to having been around so long "adventuring" is that, statisically, I'm probably going to still be adventuring when the older sages are maggot bait.

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by MrBillM]

One of my friends once asked me how I would like to be remembered. I replyed that I wanted my headstone to read
" He had a lot of friends "

I value my worth in life, not by money or things that I own,or places that I have been. I value it by the joy of having known so many wonderful people. People from whom I have derived who I'am as a person. Perhaps, never having a father or mother and being raised in catholic hotels makes me more appreciative of the affection of friends.

Im talking about people who give of themselves as a gift and expect nothing in return. I hope you haven't missed out on that Bill.

Dave - 10-2-2005 at 11:44 AM

I'll trade you some books for the fedora on top of the bookshelf. What size is it?

friends are different.

beercan - 10-2-2005 at 11:54 AM

Most people count as friends those who are actually not.
Aquaintances are only that. Can you ask them for help and will they do it without question???

Guess I am like Mr Bill--plenty of reading but only about 2 hands of "real friends".

Try counting yours !!!

I told my family that I want "he was a Dad" on my tombstone!

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by beercan]

Right on Beercan

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 12:06 PM

Friendship takes years of practice, disagreements, shared times and knowing each others families and lives.

Friendship by no means comes from a faceless chatroom full of rumors, gossip, select "groups", great pictures and some real Baja information occasionally.

But, if you are in the market for new friends, I suppose it's a good place to start. Personally, our friends list is already all booked up. But it is usually enjoyable to make new acquaintances.
Especially since down here, the majority of folks are on vacation from whatever. This means they are either happy, drunk, or usually both.

bajaden - 10-2-2005 at 12:38 PM

Just so I'm not misunderstood. I was not refering to people on this board. I do not rule out the possibility that some could become friends, but Im refering to people who have become my friends through out my life.

Im sorry if your list is already full Jr. I wasn't applying, but I would hate to think the glass is full for you. I'm not looking for new friends Jr, but I'm sure I'll find a few more in my life. In the meantime, You'll have to do......

Friends and mixed messages

Dave - 10-2-2005 at 01:29 PM

Judging from how many "Mi casa es su casa" signs I see, you would think that Baja is one very friendly place.

However, most of these homes are built in walled/gated communities and have bars on the windows along with signs saying "beware of dog".

These home owners then complain when total strangers break in and help themselves.

Go figure.

Me too Den

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 02:12 PM

And I certainly don't rule out new friends either. But, if you lived in a resort community you would understand how easy it would be for us to make new friends constantly.

These are not the kind of friends we are looking for.

And we have many that are already established. These are the kind we enjoy the most. We still have fun with or without drinking being involved. From what I've seen lately, this new breed is all about becoming as drunk as can be as fast as can be. Every day.

We stopped spending much time in Mulege about 1990 for the same reason. And don't get me wrong, I like a good A?ejo buzz as much as anyone, just not every single day.
We got old! :lol:

And now

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 02:16 PM

after hijacking a Baja related thread with boring non Baja related junk like friendships, let's get back to something interesting like who reads or has the most Baja books.

Sharksbaja - 10-2-2005 at 02:50 PM

Yeah, it's amazing how some interpret socializing on a surface level. I have many many acquaintances that come and go. I find it very odd that some customers will approach me in a visit years later and remind me of the great time they had with us dining 4 years ago only I can't remember their 1 hour visit. No offense but we try to make ALL our customers feel like family. When they are there. Some actually get miffed if I can't recall their name tho I only, possibly, heard it 4 yrs ago. Silly tourists. Gotta love em. The real reason they come though is for the food...........and booze! :lol:

Just like food, alcohol can be all too consuming. I have lost my best friend to alc and he's still alive. Speaking from experience I have to agree with JR,
the drug is hard on you and as age rears up so does the downside of heavy drinking.
Lots of tongue-in-cheek inuendo regarding this topic. Unfortunately what plays out after repetitive toasting of glasses may become detrimental in more ways than one.
Don't get me wrong tho, copping a buzz(one way or another) is mans' god given right. Some (buzzes) just come in bottles with an RX or a fancy label.

However hangin' with good folks sharing common ground together can be a good buzz too. Same with fishin', a great common denominator.

Moderation(but not at fishin') :lol:

is the way!

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by Sharksbaja]

Sharksbaja - 10-2-2005 at 02:54 PM

Sorry Lera, I don't know how I arrived here at this point. :?:

I always blame it on Den, it works fer me, THATS' what friends(oops I meant acquaintances are for :lol:

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by Sharksbaja]

Comi

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 03:45 PM

Use your psych. experience and try to see that that was supposed to be funny. I thought it was cool that the two of them were being civil to each other.

And, I have to make an amendment, someone I have learned to respect and consider one of my best friends was made through this board. (Spending 10 days exploring the best hotels and hot spots on the Pacific side of Baja as well as some mountain mansions thrown in will definitely either speed the process of friendship up or make for a miserable time!) I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky in this case.

He also gives "sense of humor" lessons, just in case Comi or anyone else was looking.
But, he's wierd! :lol:

Missing Out

MrBillM - 10-2-2005 at 05:46 PM

Bajaden, I don't think I've really missed out on anything in life, except for things which would have taken more money or effort than I was willing to expend. I've certainly had as many friends as I ever wished and some I might not have wished for.

Awhile back, I came across this essay by a blogger on friendship that reflects a lot of how I think on the subject.

Friendship
by Pieter J. Friedrich
8/5/03

Everyone calls himself a friend, but only a fool relies on it: nothing is commoner than the name, nothing rarer than the thing.--Jean de La Fontaine

I cannot count the times people I hardly know have referred to me as a "friend," or have written to me and signed their letters "your friend," or done some such thing. I have come to believe that, second only to "love," "friend" is the most misused word in the English language.

It is not my wish to offend or to hurt anyone who has, in the past, called himself my "friend," but merely to set them straight. There are a good many upstanding people...people whom I admire...who have called themselves "friends." Most of these are people who I enjoy spending time with and conversing with, but they are not friends. These people must learn to distinguish between "friendliness" and "friendship."

Whenever I tell someone that I have only a handful of friends, they're not entirely sure how to respond. The proper response would be hearty congratulations, for I have taken the advice of George Washington, who said, "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow growth, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation."

The word "friend" is one that is slung around often in this world, but very few people seem to know what it actually means. "Friend" is not a word to play fast and loose with, nor is it a term to be hastily applied to a person you happen to be acquainted with. "Friend" is a word to be used carefully, because "friends" are to be chosen very carefully.

"What is a friend?" ask Aristotle. He answers, "A single soul dwelling in two bodies." Your average acquaintance, however close and however interesting, does not share your soul. (A note here: when Aristotle uses the word "soul," I take it to mean shared natures, emotions, and affections, rather than the immortal soul.)

"A true friend," said British minister Robert South, "is the gift of God, and He only who made hearts can unite them!" Friends are rare, and one may live many years without finding even one true friend. Henry Home said, "The difficulty is not so great to die for a friend, as to find a friend worth dying for." I count myself rich because I have found even one true friend worth dying for.

A true friend is more than just an interesting person to speak with for an hour or two so as to pass the time. Rather, a friend is someone to depend on, someone to lean on, someone who is (almost) necessary for life. In Ecclesiastes 4:9-12, we are told, "Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken."

Real friendship is lasting. I know people who have spoken of their "school friends" who they forgot about when they graduated and began college or a career. These people were not real friends. "A friend loveth at all times," we are told in Proverbs 17:17a, and Saint Jerome said that, "The friendship that can cease has never been real."

Friends argue, friends offer correction, friends are even sometimes (wrongly) angry at each other...and these things are all natural and to be expected in a real friendship. The philosopher Hume said, "Truth springs from argument amongst friends." Indeed, argument is a positive facet of true friendship (Pro. 27:17) and correction from a friend is something to thank God for (Pro. 27:6a). And as Christians, friends can and must always forgive one another. C.S. Lewis writes, "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."

Though friendship with unbelievers and evil people is discouraged (I Cor. 15:33), true friends are open with each other, and overlook one another's faults. Thoreau wrote, "True friendship can afford true knowledge. It does not depend on darkness and ignorance." Elbert Hubbard said, "Your friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you."

I said "overlook" but that's probably not the correct word. Rather, I should say "forgive." Moliere tells us, "The more we love our friends, the less we flatter them; it is by excusing nothing that pure love shows itself."

I said friends are open with one another. Writer George Eliot said it more eloquently than I ever could when she wrote, "Oh, the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person; having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words, but to pour them all out, just as they are, chaff and grain together, knowing that a faithful hand will take and sift them, keep what is worth keeping, and then, with the breath of kindness, blow the rest away."

It has been over a year-and-a-half since I made a new friend, and I am not only content with that, but happy for it. Old friends are the best. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "I find friendship to be like wine, raw when new, ripened with age, the true old man's milk and restorative cordial."

Walt Whitman spoke gospel truth when he said, "I no doubt deserved my enemies, but I don't believe I deserved my friends."

Mr. Gun totin Bill,

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 07:11 PM

Anyone shot by you would truly deserve it!!!!! Bad people do not read things like that. That is awesome and you have my utmost respect for posting that and obviously believing in it.

Mr. Comi, protector of Baja boards, give me an example of where you see me doing whatever you are saying. I'm not sure about what you are talking about???

But, for as many times as I see you chime in regarding this, it should be very easy for you to find an example, rather than change the subject, call names, tell me about how I have messed up San Bartolo, or any of the other nonsense you come up with rather than providing examples of my ????. :light:

What a fun friggen thread! Thanks again Lera :bounce:

FrankO - 10-2-2005 at 08:13 PM

It's great to see that this thread has gotten to the really important stuff. Like, what does JR think. Thank you.

J.R. thinks

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 08:20 PM

that if it weren't for insecure, lifeless clowns chiming in without any point of view on anything besides worrying about what I think and say, there would be some pretty good conversations on here.
But heck darn, that would be asking for way too much from a chat room, wouldn't it? :light:

comitan - 10-2-2005 at 08:22 PM

JR

There you go again talking to your self. I say louder I can hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to go back and reread

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 08:36 PM

to realize you had deleted your usual idiotic accusations rather than backing up what you have to say. What a surprise.

comitan - 10-2-2005 at 08:44 PM

JR.

Its like this, if I don't bother with you, you will make your own destiny.

Although you can be

jrbaja - 10-2-2005 at 10:18 PM

somewhat of a bother, that's about it. Nothing compared to the bobos and sancudos in the hills . :light:

But, back on topic, how many books are in your library of Baja knowledge?