crotalus - 12-26-2005 at 12:10 PM
AKA "El Placer de los Perita" in the Baja Almanac. Have any of you nomads driven or hiked up into this canyon in the southern Sierra Santa Isabel?
How far can you drive up the wash before continuing on foot? Anyone have any photos of the area?
Thanks
bugdude - 12-26-2005 at 12:25 PM
I'm sorry I have no information concerning El PLacer but just wanted to say I like your user name "Crotalus." That is a genus of rattlesnake, correct?
By the way, WELCOME to the forum. 
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crotalus - 12-26-2005 at 12:29 PM
correct.. BugDude. Do you know anything about Latrodectus in baja? I have heard rumors of L. mactans occuring in the cape region. What do you think?
Crotalus
el Perita
John M - 12-26-2005 at 01:21 PM
There were a couple of motorcycle guys - maybe Corky included? - that explored inland in the washes just south of Perita, that is El Volcan and/or
Zamora. Maybe they have something of offer.
This is south of Puertecitos, in near El Huerfanito
John M
bugdude - 12-26-2005 at 01:25 PM
The genus Latrodectus ("widow spiders") is cosmopolitan, with 5 species occurring in the United States. These spiders get their common name from the
popular belief that the female eats the male after mating, a phenomenon which rarely happens in nature. The genus Latrodectus is worldwide in
distribution, with 5 species occurring in the United States. The species are distinguished principally on the basis of differences in male genitalia.
There are usually accompanying differences in gross characters, such as color and markings, but they cannot be relied upon to distinguish a species in
all cases.
The species Latrodectus geometricus ("the brown widow spider"- brownish with white and black brown markings, abdomen with red hourglass mark, legs
banded/ringed) has been documented to occur in B.C.S. [Jimenez, M.L. 1988a. Nuevos registros de ara?as en Baja California Sur, Mexico. Folia Ent. Mex.
74:197-204]. Most information cites Florida but it is also known in California, as well as Africa. This species is not as dangerous as some other
widow spiders because it is less likely to bite someone, and has less toxic venom. Brown Widow Spiders usually curl up into a ball, and drop to the
ground as a primary defense. The only time that a Brown Widow Spider will definitely try to bite someone is when she is guarding her eggsac. The Brown
Widow Spider is one of the species with the infamous "red hourglass" marking on the underside of it's abdomen and only the females are dangerous.
The common species Latrodectus mactans ("the black widow spider" - black, abdomen usually with separated red hourglass mark complete, posterior half
more a rounded rectangle than a triangle) is most common in the southern states and undoubtedly occurs in Baja. I cannot find - at the moment - any
confirming documentation in my limited library on Arachnidae of Baja. However, this species could easily be transported in a variety of ways as it is
closely associated with human habitation preferring more cluttered areas because they provide more harborage for their prey which consists primarily
of insects.
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Latrodectus mactans ("the black widow spider")
bugdude - 12-26-2005 at 01:28 PM
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Latrodectus geometricus ("the brown widow spider")
bugdude - 12-26-2005 at 01:29 PM
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David K - 12-26-2005 at 01:33 PM
Use Nomad search and type in Perita...
The previous posts will pop up.
Nomads Corky, TW, BillB, and Mcgyver have explored in there seeking a way to drive/ride across to Hwy. 1.
Nomad DEVEAU recently posted his group on m/c used the Bill Nichols trail to get to Hwy. 1 near San Agustin from just south of Puertecitos (Arroyo Los
Heme).
Here's a part of the Almanac's Map 16... 'Zamora' is actually thr true Arroyo El Volcan. A dry waterfall blocks easy riding from the east and boulders
and steep rocky slopes were the discovery on the west end, 4 miles from El Marmol.
crotalus - 12-26-2005 at 02:28 PM
Thanks for the info, BugDude and David K.
The squarecircle - 12-27-2005 at 03:27 AM
Greetings and welcome aboard as a Baja Nomad; >>>>>> The Placer de los Perita/Zamora route stopped me at about 4 miles in from Mex
5. >>> My attemp to cross using the Los Herme wash was halted at about the 13 mile mark.. The scooter guys say they marked 7-8 miles
inland.. There were no signs of old 4 wheel tracks past the first real challenging obstacle.. Getting across to Mex 1 (the real challenge) did not
happen.. I got skunked, scratched, dented and tyre flatened (large stick into 3 ply-sidewall) but it was really very beautiful in there.. A long
time resident of Puertecitos tells me he knows someone who drove thur and across some years past but of course couldn't remember his name!!
>>>>>> Kindest Regards, sq.
Corky1 - 12-28-2005 at 09:35 PM
We did the Volcan/Zamora, didn't have much luck.
Want to try the route you mentioned this comimg March??
Go here for info on last trip.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=2684#pid18183
Good luck,
Corky