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Gas pumps are still shut down In Mulege and Santa Rosalia

Bruce R Leech - 3-16-2006 at 01:08 PM


Gas pumps are still shut down In Mulege and Santa Rosalia

I don't know why or for how long but they have Profecia seals on them









[Edited on 3-30-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

Marinero - 3-16-2006 at 03:10 PM

What do you make of this? I have heard that Santa Rosalia Pemex was a notorious rip-off station. Would the shut-down be connected? I have never heard anything particularly bad about Mulege.

Bill Barbour (the OTHER Bill)

Diver - 3-16-2006 at 03:29 PM

And does anyone know if they've opened the new Pemex on the north side of Santa Rosalia yet ?

comitan - 3-16-2006 at 03:34 PM

Does anyone know if the new Pemex is owned by the same owner as in town.

thebajarunner - 3-16-2006 at 04:40 PM

Just wondering???
Is it good news when the crooked guy gets shut down,
or
Is it bad news when that leaves no source of gas?
"When a tree falls in the desert....!"

losfrailes - 3-16-2006 at 05:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
And does anyone know if they've opened the new Pemex on the north side of Santa Rosalia yet ?


No open yet. And it is supposed to be the same owner.

losfrailes - 3-16-2006 at 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
Does anyone know if the new Pemex is owned by the same owner as in town.


I have heard it is owned by the same person(s). Also the stations in Guerrerro Negro by the same person(s).

Also rumored that the station in San Ignacio is having the same problem.

losfrailes - 3-16-2006 at 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Gas pumps are shut down In Mulege and Santa Rosalia

I don't know why or for how long but they have Profecia seals on them


Was informed recently that there were still two pumps at Sta Rosalia that were meeting the necessary volume, but that the line was long.

roundtuit - 3-16-2006 at 06:16 PM

Just stopped at Pemex south of Mulege and was open 4:00 PM
I have no problem there

Capt. George - 3-16-2006 at 07:12 PM

fuel been a problem past month, off and on...couple time at San Ignacio no diesel no gas???????????

capt g

Bruce R Leech - 3-16-2006 at 08:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by losfrailes
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Gas pumps are shut down In Mulege and Santa Rosalia

I don't know why or for how long but they have Profecia seals on them


Was informed recently that there were still two pumps at Sta Rosalia that were meeting the necessary volume, but that the line was long.


one pump open lines 2 blocks long

Bruce R Leech - 3-16-2006 at 08:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by roundtuit
Just stopped at Pemex south of Mulege and was open 4:00 PM
I have no problem there


yes this one is still open for now

?

fdt - 3-16-2006 at 08:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I don't know why or for how long but they have Profecia seals on them

Profecia? that means prophesy.
Were they closed by a prophet?
:?::?::?::?::?::?::?::?:

fdt - 3-16-2006 at 08:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
Does anyone know if the new Pemex is owned by the same owner as in town.

The Sta. Rosalia station is owned by Antonio Espinoza, Raul Arechiga's (owner of Aerocalifornia) brother in law.

Oso - 3-16-2006 at 08:47 PM

?Hay alguien que dice que el tal "Tony" no es un P-nche ladron de los peores?

David K - 3-16-2006 at 11:19 PM

This is just a hunch on my part:

Remember I was telling you guys about Antonio (BajaCactus/ El Rosario Pemex owner) working like crazy to meet the latest demands by Pemex to upgrade pumps???

Well, if those new devices are not installed, the stations will be shut down and the owners jailed...

The devices??? Well, they are designed to monitor sales and pump operation to prevent the illegal practices of some stations to sell more litres than they actually pump into cars (imagine that!:lol::lol::lol: )

thebajarunner - 3-16-2006 at 11:25 PM

Yeah, but that won't help the guy that makes change backwards,
and/or misquotes money conversions.
Seal the pumps, they will just innovate new scams.

Revisions....

BajaCactus - 3-17-2006 at 12:02 AM

Pemex Gas Stations....

Thought I gave you a better idea of what is happening.

There are very specialized units in the government, formed by members of Profeco and Pemex.

Profeco is a government agency that regulates the honest operation of businesess in Mexico.

Pemex, you all know, is the government department that produces and supply all fuel in Mexico.

These units make special visits, randomly, all around the Pemex gas stations in Mexico, their visits are unannounced, and usually sweep a specific area at one time and then move to other parts of the country.

Well, these revisions (called "Volantas Profeco-Pemex")... are empowered to check all the operations process of a gas station, but they mainly focus on checking the "size" of the liters dispensed at the pumps and the internal processes of keeping inventories.

If they do not approve of something, they have the power to shut down the gas station.

A couple of hours ago (right now is 10:46 pm, march 16th), I talked to my family in Santa Rosalia and they told me the gas station is completely shut down... and that there is a lot of confussion there, because this is the only supply of fuel in town.

As how long it will take to be open again... well it depends on the reason for the shutdown, and how fast the owner approaches the solution... it can take from a couple of days to several months.

Since there is no other gas station there, it is my believe they will try to make a fast compromise to begin operations again.

I hope this gives you a new perspective my friends.

Antonio M.

:bounce::bounce::bounce

Marinero - 3-17-2006 at 01:08 AM

I know that the scammers are clever and think up new stuff all the time. But the drivers aren't dumb either. There must be a routine we could follow to make sure they can't get in our pants....er, wallets.

Has anybody suggested something? Such as asking for an exact amount of liters or so many pesos worth? I know this won't avoid crooked pump meters, but seems we should try. Having said that, I have only bought gas in my town and never have driven down the length of Baja. How about some advice from the frequent travelers?:?:

fdt - 3-17-2006 at 07:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oso
?Hay alguien que dice que el tal "Tony" no es un P-nche ladron de los peores?

Tambien "dicen" que es pu?alon

fdt - 3-17-2006 at 07:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Remember I was telling you guys about Antonio (BajaCactus/ El Rosario Pemex owner) working like crazy to meet the latest demands by Pemex to upgrade pumps???



So you are the prophet that put the profecia seals :lol::lol::lol:

Bruce R Leech - 3-17-2006 at 07:29 AM

the way I understand the story in Santa Rosalia is that there was a man filling a 60 liter barrel and the pump gave him 80 liters. a fight soon fallowed and as soon as they were getting really hot Prefects men pulled in right behind them and took over the situation:lol:

what timing, what luck I wish I could have seen it:lol:

gas

tehag - 3-17-2006 at 07:51 AM

Be nice to see some ripple effect in Loreto; they get 6.3 liters into a gallon can here.

Pompano - 3-17-2006 at 08:12 AM

I think the first time I checked fuel amounts at Pemex stations was in 1961....many 'adjustments' since then have not changed the facts. Do I worry about it?...Nope. Do I have fun with a 20 liter container at the Mulege station?...Yup.

vandenberg - 3-17-2006 at 08:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tehag
Be nice to see some ripple effect in Loreto; they get 6.3 liters into a gallon can here.




You mean this guy is getting more brazen ? Last time they put 23 liters in my 5 gallon ( 19 liter ) can. Never could believe that cab drivers and the like let these owners get away with this.

vandenberg - 3-17-2006 at 09:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Quote:
Originally posted by tehag
Be nice to see some ripple effect in Loreto; they get 6.3 liters into a gallon can here.




You mean this guy is getting more brazen ? Last time they put 23 liters in my 5 gallon ( 19 liter ) can. Never could believe that cab drivers and the like let these owners get away with this.



Come to think of it, maybe that's why a cab ride to Nopolo is $20.00 one way.:?::?::?::P:P

David K - 3-17-2006 at 09:15 AM

Gracias Antonio for the details... I guess my hunch (speculation) was correct!

I think I can speak for many of the Nomads in saying how much we appreciate having you here on Baja Nomad. For many of the campers that travel Baja, Pemex is where most of the money is spent in Baja.

Good luck in dealing with Pemex and the government in keeping your El Rosario station operating!:yes:;D


Quote:
Originally posted by BajaCactus
Pemex Gas Stations....

Thought I gave you a better idea of what is happening.

There are very specialized units in the government, formed by members of Profeco and Pemex.

Profeco is a government agency that regulates the honest operation of businesess in Mexico.

Pemex, you all know, is the government department that produces and supply all fuel in Mexico.

These units make special visits, randomly, all around the Pemex gas stations in Mexico, their visits are unannounced, and usually sweep a specific area at one time and then move to other parts of the country.

Well, these revisions (called "Volantas Profeco-Pemex")... are empowered to check all the operations process of a gas station, but they mainly focus on checking the "size" of the liters dispensed at the pumps and the internal processes of keeping inventories.

If they do not approve of something, they have the power to shut down the gas station.

A couple of hours ago (right now is 10:46 pm, march 16th), I talked to my family in Santa Rosalia and they told me the gas station is completely shut down... and that there is a lot of confussion there, because this is the only supply of fuel in town.

As how long it will take to be open again... well it depends on the reason for the shutdown, and how fast the owner approaches the solution... it can take from a couple of days to several months.

Since there is no other gas station there, it is my believe they will try to make a fast compromise to begin operations again.

I hope this gives you a new perspective my friends.

Antonio M.

:bounce::bounce::bounce

I've had pretty good luck....

neilm - 3-17-2006 at 09:21 AM

since I started using a locking gas cap and paying in pesos... I make sure the pump says 'cero' before I unlock, and take care of currency conversion at the bank.

but there's little defense against a bad-calibrated pump


Quote:
Originally posted by Marinero
I know that the scammers are clever and think up new stuff all the time. But the drivers aren't dumb either. There must be a routine we could follow to make sure they can't get in our pants....er, wallets.

Has anybody suggested something? Such as asking for an exact amount of liters or so many pesos worth? I know this won't avoid crooked pump meters, but seems we should try. Having said that, I have only bought gas in my town and never have driven down the length of Baja. How about some advice from the frequent travelers?:?:

rpleger - 3-18-2006 at 10:59 AM

In Muleg?, if they would just force the owner to sell one of the stations......the competition should provide fair prices.

Bob and Susan - 3-18-2006 at 11:22 AM

Richard...

i think all gas prices are regulated by the government and all gas prices are the same in Baja...

there is no competition necessary.

it really should be like this in the USA...we wouldn't get screwed every holiday week

David K - 3-18-2006 at 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rpleger
In Muleg?, if they would just force the owner to sell one of the stations......the competition should provide fair prices.


Fair PRACTICES perhaps... ie. not screwing with the pump calibration or cheating on giving change, etc.

As Bob and Susan say, the price is set by government.

Bob and Susan - 3-18-2006 at 11:34 AM

Electronic pump calibration will soon stop the cheating...

It will be like trying to fix your new toyota pu

David K - 3-18-2006 at 11:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
Electronic pump calibration will soon stop the cheating...

It will be like trying to fix your new toyota pu


Good thing Toyota never needs fixing!:lol::light::lol:

vandenberg - 3-18-2006 at 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
Electronic pump calibration will soon stop the cheating...





Like..when /:?::?::?:
This morning in Loreto, they again managed to put 23 liters in my 19 liter cans. This Santa Rosalia business doesn't seem to bother our local crook owner any:fire::fire::fire:

bajalou - 3-18-2006 at 02:28 PM

Not all gas is priced the same in Mexico.

The IVA on the fuel is higher in mainland Mex. than in Baja Calif. so the end price is higher.

Looks like they are still adjusting the price in border towns to compete with USA prices. Higher in Mexicali than Ej. Durango and San Felipe - almost a peso a liter difference.

Don Alley - 3-18-2006 at 03:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
Electronic pump calibration will soon stop the cheating...





Like..when /:?::?::?:
This morning in Loreto, they again managed to put 23 liters in my 19 liter cans. This Santa Rosalia business doesn't seem to bother our local crook owner any:fire::fire::fire:


I wonder...can a Pemex station get new pumps that do not have electronic pump calibration? I'm thinking about the new station on Padre Kino.

Bajame - 3-19-2006 at 12:18 AM

they cheated me along with a few others by saying that the pump shut off and he wanted me to check and see if it was full and when I said it was only half full he put the 0 amount and started again. Wasn't sure what he was doing but some said he was taking me.:?:

Bruce R Leech - 3-19-2006 at 03:25 PM

still closed here in Mulege I don't know about Santa Rosalia.

comitan - 3-19-2006 at 03:41 PM

Santa Rosalia was pumping gas yesterday according to George & Tioga.

Bruce R Leech - 3-19-2006 at 05:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
Electronic pump calibration will soon stop the cheating...

It will be like trying to fix your new toyota pu


Good thing Toyota never needs fixing!:lol::light::lol:


keep your fingers crossed David because when they do and they do it will cost you 4 times that of repairs on a Ford:lol:

bufeo - 3-19-2006 at 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
Santa Rosalia was pumping gas yesterday according to George & Tioga.


Yes, but only one hose from one pump.

see:
http://vagabonders-supreme.net/blog/blog.html

David K - 3-19-2006 at 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
Electronic pump calibration will soon stop the cheating...

It will be like trying to fix your new toyota pu


Good thing Toyota never needs fixing!:lol::light::lol:


keep your fingers crossed David because when they do and they do it will cost you 4 times that of repairs on a Ford:lol:


Okay, whatever... My '01 got 136,000 miles put on it in just 5 years with NO breakdowns... and the only thing I paid for besides regular services (oil, filter changes) were brake pads, an O2 sensor, and a water pump... oh, and tires! That is a LOT cheaper than any repairs needed on a Ford or Chevy I am guessing (Jeep and Dodge too).

My '05 has over 21,000 miles in 6 mos. No breakdowns or repairs... just an occaisional brake area noise from 8k to 18k...

A breakdown may happen still... but based on all the other Nomad Toyota owners comments, I am very comfortable with my desission to get another Toyota in 2005... and it was financially wise, as well.

I love my Toyota, but--------

Barry A. - 3-20-2006 at 12:20 AM

-----my 1997 Camry had 68K miles on it when the automatic transmission went out----cost me $3200 for a "rebuilt" one, installed-----ouch!!!!!

The squarecircle - 3-20-2006 at 01:46 AM

Greetings : >>>>> My toy 4-runner really likes that Pemex juice.. Takes about 45 gals. to fill it up from empty.. Cute little V-6 mill that gets poor fuel economy, has little horse power and very scarce torque.. It,s starting to cost me an arm and a leg to keep it alive and it only has 236,000 miles on the clock.. Maybe time to check out that new toy cruiser tomorrow when it hits the showroom here in El Cajon! Wonder it you can sleep in it? >>>>>>Best Regards, sq.

bajarich - 3-20-2006 at 10:39 PM

As a traveler who only passes through SR, I make it a point to never by gas there. They got me several years ago and I won't let them do it again.

Bruce R Leech - 3-21-2006 at 08:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajarich
As a traveler who only passes through SR, I make it a point to never by gas there. They got me several years ago and I won't let them do it again.


so you go on to Mulege:?:

Phil C - 3-21-2006 at 04:00 PM

We fill at the border, then El Rosario, after that G. N.,Loreto......or chose your poison.....

[Edited on 3-21-2006 by Phil C]

rpleger - 3-21-2006 at 09:26 PM

Don't worry about it. The Pemex stations are going to screw you and there is not much you can do about it.
Go buy your gas from the competition.

BAJACAT - 3-21-2006 at 10:16 PM

you can always go to texaco or chevron :lol::lol::lol:
What I think of Baja gas stations:barf::fire::mad:

Ps... exept, Baja cactus station

Bruce R Leech - 3-23-2006 at 10:36 AM

still closed in Mulege and one hose in Santa Rosalia.

rpleger - 3-23-2006 at 11:16 AM

I got gas on the Interstate yesterday. I don't know about the one in town.....Muleg

Bruce R Leech - 3-23-2006 at 11:48 AM

I don't know about the interstate but I just got back from the one south of Mulege on the Highway 1 and they had 4 pumps going and cares backed up about 6 deep. not bad

but the man sed that they were about to run out of gas.

The squarecircle - 3-26-2006 at 12:18 AM

Greetings Grover: >>>>>>>> I hear you on that reality.. My previous 22-R clocked 310,000 miles and was never opened up!! It also was short on ponies, torque and fuel economy but a much more durable mill.. Must of learned planned obsolescence from the gringo manufacturers.. >>>>>>> Best Regards, sq.

Bruce R Leech - 3-27-2006 at 07:35 AM

still closed in Mulege and one hose in Santa Rosalia.

No Petro!

Cypress - 3-27-2006 at 11:04 AM

What's the problem? No fuel available? Someone sleeping on the job, on vacation? Must be having a negative economic impact on the whole area. :no::no:

Bruce R Leech - 3-27-2006 at 01:34 PM

no they got cought cheating and now every one pays. for how long I don't know:no:

Bob and Susan - 3-27-2006 at 01:44 PM

it isn't about cheating...they are closed because of the equipment they are using...no paperwork

about 1000 stations are affected

rpleger - 3-27-2006 at 02:05 PM

CHEATING

Bob and Susan - 3-27-2006 at 02:11 PM

no... richard

Bruce R Leech - 3-27-2006 at 03:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
it isn't about cheating...they are closed because of the equipment they are using...no paperwork

about 1000 stations are affected


where did you here that

there pumps were tampered with and way out of calibration

Bob and Susan - 3-27-2006 at 05:25 PM

no they are the WRONG pumps...

David K - 3-27-2006 at 06:57 PM

The pumps can be rigged and the station owner in Santa Rosalia is finally getting his.... Complaints for years.. people, don't be mad, be happy!

Problem is NO COMPETITION, no free enterprise... When socialism (government control over business) squashes the free market, the only way station owners can increase their income is by cheating. Pemex stations can't even do mechanical work like oil changes or sell tires to help make money... El Rosario's Pemex owner also owns the motel next door, so that is where he makes enough money without cheating gas customers.

Pemex is the only brand of gasoline sold, so no competition there... and in many small towns only one person owns the Pemex stations (all of them), so no cross town competition even IF he could set his own prices... to make a fair profit, without cheating.

Pemex couldn't keep any stations open between El Rosario and Guerrero Negro because they were not allowed to raise the price for the remote locations where no labor force or banking or electricity makes a business much more difficult to operate.

vandenberg - 3-27-2006 at 07:29 PM

Like I stated before, here in Loreto they screw you by about 20%.
Makes your "good" prices much higher then the ones in the States.
Have been getting away with this sha..t for ages.:fire::fire::fire:

vandenberg - 3-27-2006 at 07:32 PM

And BTW Bob & Susan, these pumps were installed only last year.

Bruce R Leech - 3-27-2006 at 07:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
no they are the WRONG pumps...


Bob and Susan would it be possible for you to reveal your source for this statement so that I can demand an explanation from my source. I try hard not to post rumors here and I need to know if my source is not trustworthy.

Bob and Susan - 3-27-2006 at 07:46 PM

it's about privatizing PEMEX...PEMEX is having money problems

it's all about raising prices and making money without government regs

i hate politics but...BIG money here in the USA would love privatizing PEMEX...it would benifit the USA ...big money is SHELL-Texaco-Chevron

did you ever think you would pay $3.00 for gas...NO

a manufactured shortage a few years ago showed that we would do anything for gas....

now to screw-up the PEMEX system and owners in Mexico...let's shut down gas stations so the public will back the movment privatizing PEMEX...

think about it...go out of the box....

David K - 3-27-2006 at 07:54 PM

Wow, talk about wild ideas!! Is your source MoveOn.org or just CNN???

I tell you what, ask Antonio if there is any truth to this... He is the most honest, kindest person in Mexico (or here) I know. And, just so you don't think he is biased, he doesn't like FOX News (I can't get him to add it to his selection at Baja Cactus)!:lol:

Bruce R Leech - 3-27-2006 at 08:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
no they are the WRONG pumps...


so did some one actually tell you that that is the reason they closed the station in Mulege?

Bob and Susan - 3-28-2006 at 05:02 AM

remember the saying...

"If I told you I'd have to.....":lol:

I can't reveal the sources but two people have discussed this issue with me and it sounds reasonable...

David...it's not "wild ideas"...just different...

move away from the "herd" and then take a "look"...

Bruce R Leech - 3-28-2006 at 07:44 AM

most of the stations in Baja sur are going to need to change or up grade there pumps but that is not why they closed the pumps here. the owner of the stations here in mulege sead there pumps were tampered with and way out of calibration.

bajalou - 3-28-2006 at 08:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
it's about privatizing PEMEX...PEMEX is having money problems

now to screw-up the PEMEX system and owners in Mexico...let's shut down gas stations so the public will back the movment privatizing PEMEX...

think about it...go out of the box....


Public opinion has virtually nothing to do with decisions like this in Mexico. If it benefits the politicions, then it might happen.

bajarich - 3-28-2006 at 09:50 AM

The latest price I have seen is $2.296 per gallon in Baja at the socialized Pemex. I heard last night on the news that the average price of Unleaded in the US is $2.50 per gallon. We have free market competition in the States verdad? What's wrong with this picture?

David K - 3-28-2006 at 09:58 AM

Gas in Kuwait is even cheaper!

Mexico has tons of oil....

Where competition is allowed (USA): Shop only at the cheapest stations and just watch the price drop at the others.... Stop buying any gas, and watch the price drop at all the stations!

In business, you do what you can to stay in business. In a free economy, the customers vote you to stay in business by buying your product!

Bruce R Leech - 3-28-2006 at 10:24 AM

It isnot as simple as some of you think. the Mexican gov. owned monopolies IE pemex and commission for Electricity etc. are used to supplement the government. this is one reason that taxes can remain low even though Mexico has a very high percentage of people on the government dole. for example Mulege county receives about 40 times more money from the gov. as it pays in. only Gr. Negro is in the black.

I would rather pay at the pump than to see an income tax imposed on the Mexican worker.


[Edited on 3-29-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

Cypress - 3-28-2006 at 11:22 AM

Fuel situation!

Gotta feed the beast. You gonna walk? Sail? Row? Got a couple of horses, but we don't want to go there.

Bajaboy - 3-28-2006 at 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Gas in Kuwait is even cheaper!

Mexico has tons of oil....

Where competition is allowed (USA): Shop only at the cheapest stations and just watch the price drop at the others.... Stop buying any gas, and watch the price drop at all the stations!

In business, you do what you can to stay in business. In a free economy, the customers vote you to stay in business by buying your product!


David-it's not the gas stations that control the price it's the refineries....and there is no competition there. You can buy gas all you want at Arco but if the refineries decide to cut back production, prices will rise regardless.

It peeves me to hear the big oil companies talk about supply and demand issues. Usually as the price of a commodity rises, the margins fall due to competition. But, the oil companies and refineries are able to keep their margins constant even as prices rise due to the lack of competition. Hence the record profits. I suppose without government interference this will continue on.

Zac

David K - 3-28-2006 at 01:42 PM

Zac, one way the government could help us with gas prices is to knock off the insane taxes placed on every gallon... even taxing a tax in Calif.!

I here the one party crying for big oil to take a cut in their profits (which have always remained near 10% I have read), but they never offer to cut the governments profit on oil (ie. the taxes they added on).

If you think government is the answer to high gas prices, then ask your government to cut its profiting....

Record profit because the prices are higher... the news only quotes the sales income of the fuel, but never the cost of the fuel sold. They still make about 10%... It is amazing that they continue to be able to explore for more oil or improve the product at that margin.

[Edited on 3-28-2006 by David K]

Bajaboy - 3-28-2006 at 02:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Zac, one way the government could help us with gas prices is to knock off the insane taxes placed on every gallon... even taxing a tax in Calif.!

I here the one party crying for big oil to take a cut in their profits (which have always remained near 10% I have read), but they never offer to cut the governments profit on oil (ie. the taxes they added on).

If you think government is the answer to high gas prices, then ask your government to cut its profiting....

Record profit because the prices are higher... the news only quotes the sales income of the fuel, but never the cost of the fuel sold. They still make about 10%... It is amazing that they continue to be able to explore for more oil or improve the product at that margin.

[Edited on 3-28-2006 by David K]


Well you're starting to compare apples to oranges. If there were true competition among refineries, the margins would have to come down. Think about it, if there was no competition in the auto industry, we'd being paying top dollar for crappy cars and trucks. Instead, margins have come down and the quality has improved. There is competition among the stations selling the gasoline and hence there are price differences, although slight.

As for the tax situation, that's a whole other topic. Maybe if you offer a kickback to some politicians, they might reduce the taxes you mention:lol:

Zac

David K - 3-28-2006 at 06:24 PM

Yup that's a good one!

How's the new Tacoma doing?

Bajaboy - 3-28-2006 at 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Yup that's a good one!

How's the new Tacoma doing?


Couldn't be happier with it...getting ready for a quick trip to Gonzaga Easter week.

I'd rather be ripped off at a Pemex in Baja than honest fill-up in the States.

Zac

David K - 3-28-2006 at 08:39 PM

I agree 100% Zac!

Gas pumps are still shut down In Mulege and Santa Rosalia

Bruce R Leech - 3-29-2006 at 06:23 PM

:wow::wow::wow:

bajajudy - 3-29-2006 at 06:42 PM

WOW:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:
Bruce, your first post was 3-16. There has been no gas since then:?::?::?::?::?:

Bruce R Leech - 3-29-2006 at 07:03 PM

just one hose in Santa Rosalia none here in central Mulege the station south of Mulege is open. the wait times can be quit long at times and they run out allot more than usual

Parking lot for cops

Sharksbaja - 3-31-2006 at 02:59 PM

Yesterday at the Sta. Rosalia Pemex were 6 Police vehicles lined up in the 1st row of the pumps!:O.

bajarich - 4-6-2006 at 08:29 PM

Do they have gas yet in Santa Rosalia?

losfrailes - 4-7-2006 at 06:39 AM

As of yesterday afternoon, still only the one pump, two lines open. Got gas, no got pumps!

South of Mulege still running strong!

Bruce R Leech - 4-7-2006 at 07:00 AM

Gas pumps are still shut down In Mulege and Santa Rosalia

losfrailes - 4-7-2006 at 08:43 AM

Now, having just completed a phone call to (615) 152-0208, SERVICIO URIMA SA DE CV, I can VERIFY that there are two pumps open at Santa Rosalia.

Comes from the horses Mouth!

[Edited on 4-7-2006 by losfrailes]

Bruce R Leech - 4-7-2006 at 10:46 AM

this morning there was one for gas and one for diesel.

Bruce R Leech - 4-13-2006 at 07:52 PM

everything is still the same no change, only a Lott more people wanting Gas.

long lines and many times with out gas at all.