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Loreto elementary school (?s)

tippytoestrish - 4-16-2006 at 07:12 AM

Is there someone who can enlighten me about the education system in Loreto? When do they attend school, have breaks, etc. We will be down there the whole summer with kids ages 8 & 9--hoping that they will have friends to play with during the day. Any knowledge of the system will be enthusiastically received! thanks.

bajalera - 4-16-2006 at 11:07 AM

Thanks, Lencho--my granddaughter attends school here, and that calendar will be useful.

tippytoestrish - 4-16-2006 at 06:04 PM

Thanks for the link--looks like the kids will have to wait til July to really play. As I remember, the kids took a break for siesta from school, then went back in the late afternoon? Is this still the case? Would there still just be one school, or have they grown enough for a couple?

Loreto Schools

flyfishinPam - 4-17-2006 at 03:04 PM

Hey there,

I have a soon to be six year old in kindergarten right now. my husband's boys all went through the school system here. Ages 23, 21, 18 and 17. One of the four of them graduated high school and the other three dropped out in Jr High which is very common here.

The 21 year old graduated first in his class, smartest kid in Loreto that year (2002) and I can tell you some things that don't please me... he was often sent home for several weeks so that the rest of the class could catch up! At the time my spanish wasn't as good as it is now, and I now realize it was because he probably made the teachers look like fools as he's very intelligent. So instead of challenging him with additional work, they sent him away so they could continue to be on held a pedastal by students and mostly uneducated parents. I do have many more stories...

The teachers from what I see after living here for seven years, are extremely lazy and few of them actually enjoy their work, even fewer are good at what they do.

If your kids are in grade school take that posted calandar with a large grain of salt. I just enrolled my daughter to attend the catholic school next year. this is because they at least keep them there the full day 8:30 - 1:30, unlike the public school in town which usually lets them out of school at 10 or 11:00 am, every day! This also does not mention the many days off and the pinata days where they spend the entire day with a pinata and eating (seriously) a kilo of candy.

I could go on but will keep it short. I have become my daughters teachers worst nightmare as I am very education orientated being from New England where everyone goes to university. I ask questions and challenge the teachers like they are not accostomed to by parents of their students.

I will be starting home schooling next year for my daughter and son in addition to school, as the education they will get in the public schools as they currently are, will not stimulate them to continue further on with higher education nor will it train them with job skills they will need to carry on through life. I would like my children to be self sufficient, hard working and self motivated and trainable when they grow up. This area's schools will not provide these qualities to them so I will have to.

Timbercrete - 4-17-2006 at 04:12 PM

Why do you stay there if it is so bad for your children? Also if the environment is so bad, what do you expect your children to do when they get out, as we all know, not all kids go to college?

:?:

Timbercrete - 4-17-2006 at 08:36 PM

No one said a word about quiting. I don't know where that came from. Why not move to a better educational system. As we all want the best for our children, it might be better to educate our children in the states. Other options are systems such as private or home schooling. I just got a feeling that these schools, you spoke of, were not in the best interest for your children and was wondering why you stay.

HUH??????

flyfishinPam - 4-18-2006 at 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timbercrete
No one said a word about quiting. I don't know where that came from. Why not move to a better educational system. As we all want the best for our children, it might be better to educate our children in the states. Other options are systems such as private or home schooling. I just got a feeling that these schools, you spoke of, were not in the best interest for your children and was wondering why you stay.

Excuse me, but you make no sense at all Timbercrete. Your first question, the subject of this thread asks about the elementary system in Loreto. I answered based on my observations and first hand experience. Seems you didn't like my answer. Well sorry but I tell it like it is that's how I am. And why should I leave town because the schools suck here? well, I actually explained that I will be home schooling. That's my solution. I fortunately have resources to do this and a great education to carry this out, unlike most folks who live here. Now about changing school systems, you clearly don't know of what you speak of as this isn't the USA and you get what you get here and that's it. Now here's why I don't and won't educate my children in the USA:

I and they don't live there, we live here (in Loreto)
:mad:

It is unsafe up there unlike in this small town
:fire:

The school systems up there also suck for the most part and as time goes on and education loses funding that gets channeled elsewhere they become even suckier

Now when its time for their higher education they will make their own decision as to where to go (and if they go). They're dual citizens and as I'm an alumni of the Cal State system and the UC system they'll be automatically accepted if they decide to apply. Also on doing what's best for one's children, Mexican people see things differently than the way we see them and that's all I'll say about that.

So what's with the feather ruffling questions and responses? This should be a constructive and informative forum.

[Edited on 4-18-2006 by flyfishinPam]

Dave - 4-18-2006 at 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfishinPam
I will be starting home schooling next year for my daughter and son in addition to school, as the education they will get in the public schools as they currently are, will not stimulate them to continue further on with higher education nor will it train them with job skills they will need to carry on through life. I would like my children to be self sufficient, hard working and self motivated and trainable when they grow up. This area's schools will not provide these qualities to them so I will have to.

Pam, are there requirements/monitoring/testing, for home schooling in Mexico?

flyfishinPam - 4-18-2006 at 03:01 PM

Actually I don't know but what I'm going to do is buy the US products and testing in addition to the schooling she'll attend at the catholic school here in town. I will be looking into a Mexican version of a home schooling program but won't hold my breath as you and I both know the powers that be would rather not promote education on their citizenry.

vandenberg - 4-18-2006 at 06:05 PM

Quote:

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). They're dual citizens and as I'm an alumni of the Cal State system and
the UC system they'll be automatically accepted .

[Edited on 4-18-2006 by flyfishinPam]

You're stating that most members on this board are marginally or poorly educated. Some how I find that most people on this board are very well educated, with a few exceptions. And if this is true, God help the system.

vandenberg - 4-18-2006 at 06:09 PM

And we all should move to New England and become educated wizzards :?:

vandenberg - 4-18-2006 at 07:06 PM

Not to mention fishing experts and capuccino affecionnados.

It also tastes like coffee

Dave - 4-18-2006 at 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
Not to mention fishing experts and capuccino affecionnado.

Something smells fishy. :rolleyes:

Timbercrete - 4-18-2006 at 09:15 PM

Feather ruffling? I was just asking questions. I know i want the best for my children as I am sure you do. If I lived in a area that the school system failed 3/4 of you husbands family and provided little or no opportunity, i would move to an area that served the best interest of my children. Pam you seem hypersensitive. Did I hit a nerve? After all you were the one that brought up the fact the system was defective. I just was trying to understand why you would stay in a place that wasn't providing what YOU expected.

As far as the education system sucking in the states, you are correct. BUT from whay you stated, it is still far better than what you have available.

Safety in the states isn't even a question. I know you are more likely to be hurt or killed on the roads in Mexico that any other thing in the states and lets not talk about available health care.

I applaud your efforts to provide the best for your children but please understand not all of us will agree with the paths we choose. So when one askes a legitimate question, to gain understanding, please do so respectfully.

Diver - 4-18-2006 at 10:20 PM

Concrete,
(I could see where your comment/question could be taken as offensive to a loving mom - my wife can be a bulldog about our kids)

We can't all place our children in the BEST place all the time.
If we tried, we'd all be in the same place all the time !!

Seems parents always have consequential choices to make.

Children come with an inherent parental guilt that you are not doing the best for them. I'm sure Pam has good reasons to be living where she is and it seems that she has the awareness to supplement her children's education as needed.

A child's education is also a mixture of learned input from many sources. The local school is only one of these sources. Everything in the world is an opportunity for learning.

Timbercrete - 4-19-2006 at 05:56 AM

Diver,

I totally agree. We learn much more form our environment and diversity, then from books alone. I know there are many parents with the same concerns on the south side as Pam. I know and have met a few gringo teachers in my travels and are working down south to aid in education system. Unfortunatly they were all in the private schools.

What I am trying to understand is why isn't there more private schools that will pick up the slack or even better, use of an American school, that has an extention program to offer home schooling or a remote facility option, as they do for so many children, on world wide travel. This would get you to a standard and offer a credential that is based on an American system. Another question, is the diploma out of the schools in Mexico worth any more than one fom the states.

Vand you got me wrong

flyfishinPam - 4-19-2006 at 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
:

). They're dual citizens and as I'm an alumni of the Cal State system and
the UC system they'll be automatically accepted .

[Edited on 4-18-2006 by flyfishinPam]

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You're stating that most members on this board are marginally or poorly educated. Some how I find that most people on this board are very well educated, with a few exceptions. And if this is true, God help the system.

I was referring to the local population in Loreto and not the gringo population who are unlikely to use the schools here. Most of the adults here have less than a junior high education. True no?

flyfishinPam - 4-19-2006 at 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
And we all should move to New England and become educated wizzards :?:

OK I am from NE and there most high school grads go on to college. This is not true of everywhere I've lived in the USA. Here's the high school I went to if you need to know:

http://www.simsbury.k12.ct.us/shs/index.html

here's a more direct link:

http://www.csde.state.ct.us/public/der/ssp/SCH0405/sr103.pdf

[Edited on 4-19-2006 by flyfishinPam]

flyfishinPam - 4-19-2006 at 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
Not to mention fishing experts and capuccino affecionnados.

Can't help myself I'm hopelessly addicted to both.

flyfishinPam - 4-19-2006 at 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timbercrete
Feather ruffling? I was just asking questions. I know i want the best for my children as I am sure you do. If I lived in a area that the school system failed 3/4 of you husbands family and provided little or no opportunity, i would move to an area that served the best interest of my children. Pam you seem hypersensitive. Did I hit a nerve?

Yes you did hit a nerve. I am a very protective and good parent that does what's best for my children. You accused me and Hose A of the opposite. since the Loreto's area achools are not good enough then I guess we won't be seeing you here. And if Benito Juarez was a quitter Mexico would probably still be governed under a fuedal system. I kow things aren't peachy here but I'll do my part to right it if possible.

flyfishinPam - 4-19-2006 at 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diver
Concrete,
(I could see where your comment/question could be taken as offensive to a loving mom - my wife can be a bulldog about our kids)

We can't all place our children in the BEST place all the time.
If we tried, we'd all be in the same place all the time !!

Seems parents always have consequential choices to make.

Children come with an inherent parental guilt that you are not doing the best for them. I'm sure Pam has good reasons to be living where she is and it seems that she has the awareness to supplement her children's education as needed.

A child's education is also a mixture of learned input from many sources. The local school is only one of these sources. Everything in the world is an opportunity for learning.

Thanks Diver, yes I am a bulldog when it comes to the kids. Can't believe a basic instinct could be so strong but it really is. For instance they'll get their Spanish in the local schools as I can't give it to them the best way. My soon to be six year old and the three year old get regular walks in the desert now. They are learning on which plants than can survive on if stranded by car, or bus, or boat, or?? They know which tools they can use in the case that they have none available and they know about the importance of the shade and venomous creatures and how to behave around them and prevent accidents. Its the beginning of a life long career in education that they will get. All I can relate to are the personal experiences that I have and those define who I am. I am from an area that places huge importance on education and I've been communicating to all around me, education = freedom

Diver - 4-19-2006 at 11:59 AM

Parents must always be on guard about the influences they receive;

Just what fishing brainwashing was Pompano trying on my kids ? :lol:

Telling them to use feathers for grouper ?? :rolleyes:

Then he tried to bribe them with jewelry !! :wow:

Zack still hasn't taken his off, thank you !

tippytoestrish - 4-20-2006 at 09:39 PM

have there ever been any american citizens doing any teaching in the local schools? either full time or just classes to teach English to the kids who would like that opportunity? I'm not bilingual yet, but have it in my heart to become so--hoping that my young kids will pick up a good foundation during our summer months in Loreto. would there be any opportunities for an ordinary college graduate to participate in the system; or is it not possible? thanks!