BajaNomad - Food for thought

Food for thought

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2006 at 11:08 AM

you know it is a funny thing about society and the way we live and the rules that we live under. a wise man once told me that nothing is wrong until someone says it is wrong. how dose that apply here? well if you live in a society where every one thoughts there garbage down were ever they are and you don't then you are the odd ball. until a few years ago most Bajaicans thought they were beatifying the desert when they painted the rocks along the Highway :spingrin:

I don't buy it---------

Barry A. - 7-7-2006 at 11:34 AM

----------that "wise man" may in fact be very wise, but I think he missed the boat on this one.

I have NEVER known ANYBODY that would look you straight in the eye and say that throwing your trash on the ground was the "normal and right thing to do"--------NOBODY!!! unless they were just trying to goad you into an argument.

There are no excuses for littering, period.

Now, do you think that I am being a little dogmatic about this subject????? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2006 at 11:56 AM

I remember where I grew up until I was about 10 years old people would not think of leaving that candy wrapper in there car until the got to the next gas station or trash can which there were none. Barry A. you must be allot younger than I or come from some more advanced civilization or something.

More Food for thought

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2006 at 12:15 PM

Barry A. Have you ever noticed how when you are out cruising on the freeway and the traffic is moving along good. that every one that passes you is driving like crazy and every one you pass is a slow poke and docent know how to drive on the freeways. you are the only one that is doing it right. :lol:

[Edited on 7-7-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

Bruce-----

Barry A. - 7-7-2006 at 12:39 PM

------I get your point, and I was afraid that I was coming off as "mr. perfect", but this subject just drives me crazy!!!

Now, as for the freeway------the only folks that upset me on the freeway are the "toads" that like to cruize in the left lane (the PASSING lane!!!!) and refuse to move over to the right lane when somebody (usually me) comes up behind them. These folks should be arrested, NOW!!!!! Who in blue blazes do they think they are hogging the road and being totally judgemental by staying in MY way----------don't they know that "it is all about ME"???

vandenberg - 7-7-2006 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
------I get your point, and I was afraid that I was coming off as "mr. perfect", but this subject just drives me crazy!!!

Now, as for the freeway------the only folks that upset me on the freeway are the "toads" that like to cruize in the left lane (the PASSING lane!!!!) and refuse to move over to the right lane when somebody (usually me) comes up behind them. These folks should be arrested, NOW!!!!! Who in blue blazes do they think they are hogging the road and being totally judgemental by staying in MY way----------don't they know that "it is all about ME"???

Lucky you're not driving in some European country where passing on the right is strictly prohibited and gets you a nice fat ticket. At least here you can go by him /her on the right and salute him. :lol:

Baja Bernie - 7-7-2006 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

Now, do you think that I am being a little dogmatic about this subject????? :lol:

Absolutely!!!!!!

Bruce you are indeed a wise fellow.

There are a lot of things I don't like in this world but I don't become rabid in my reaction to them........Life is far too short for that.

Barry A.

Baja Bernie - 7-7-2006 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg

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Are you sure that you used to be a cop?

[Edited on 7-7-2006 by Baja Bernie]

Bernie and Vandenberg------

Barry A. - 7-7-2006 at 01:55 PM

Bernie---------"rabid" is a relative term------you should see me when I REALLY get upset (kidding)-------at my age I agree with you that getting all bent out of shape about something is not wise, but I feel I must comment when folks make statements that I think are just off-base. I'm not really upset.

Vandenberg----- Big city cop when I turned 21----went on to be a Federal cop until age 58---------is that scary to you? :lol:

Now retired 10+ years, and loving it.

Passing on the right isn't necessary

DanO - 7-7-2006 at 02:36 PM

It's remarkable how slower drivers will move to the right when they glance in the rearview and see nothing but the grill of your pickup. At night, it also helps to flick on the halogen high beams and fog lights. Lights up the inside of their vehicle like in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." I'll bet Barry misses those police car spotlights.

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2006 at 03:25 PM

is there anyone out there that can figure out what I'm trying to say in my original post? :?:

It way over these guys heads.

bancoduo - 7-7-2006 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
is there anyone out there that can figure out what I'm trying to say in my original post? :?:

It way over these guys heads.

What don't you understand?

If you are driving down the mulege interstate with your other wife slowing traffic and you throw a beer can out you will be shot by a x-cop. :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 7-7-2006 at 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by bancoduo

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
is there anyone out there that can figure out what I'm trying to say in my original post? :?:

It way over these guys heads.

What don't you understand?

If you are driving down the mulege interstate with your other wife slowing traffic and you throw a beer can out you will be shot by a x-cop. :lol:

Capt. George - 7-7-2006 at 03:59 PM

getting back to garbage. The previous generation to mine, what was it?, "the greatest generation", were littering swine! Prior to Lady Byrd Johnson our highways etc. looked like that of Mexico today. :barf:

Education is the answer, and a little bit of money from the tight fisted gov't in Mexico City...My beautiful little Pueblo on the west coast actually has clean up your yard days..bueno, but the dump (all six million sq miles) of it, are something to behold. :no:

Home to Baje end of this month, ahhhh, Baja!

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Kapt Igor Bodanivich :mad:

[Edited on 7-8-2006 by BajaNomad]

My Dad of the "greatest generation " taught me that it was a sin to litter !!!

beercan - 7-7-2006 at 04:23 PM

DanO---gotta be careful--I've had a couple of scary incidents --I normally drive a big 4-wheel drive Diesel , but some people are crazy enough to challedge anyone, anytime. I had to use mace one time and draw my weapon in self defense another time. So now I dawwle along and pass them when it's clear.

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by dano
Lights up the inside of their vehicle like in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." I'll bet Barry misses those police car spotlights

DanO - 7-7-2006 at 04:28 PM

BC -- That's what my (one) wife is in the truck for!

bajalou - 7-7-2006 at 04:38 PM

I got it Bruce.

Capt. George - 7-7-2006 at 04:58 PM

well, I'm sixty, and the generation before mine had no conception of littering.

Lady Byrd, a big Thank You!

bajalou - 7-7-2006 at 05:15 PM

To those of you who NEVER saw any litter, I wonder where you lived/grew up. Lets face it, if there had been no litter there sure would have been no program for Lady Bird to push.

bancoduo - 7-7-2006 at 05:18 PM

I think some of you are ?

Thanks Barry

Sharksbaja - 7-7-2006 at 10:29 PM

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Good to know I'm not alone on THIS topic. It drives me crazy how they drive in N. Ca and Oregon in the fast lane and never yield to thru traffic. So. Cal is not so bad but is scary to the amateur alright. I call it gridlock at 80 mph. Found out last week there that riced-out Nissans can't stop as fast as my truck. One barreled in and rammed in under my plug-in receiver hitch platform. Watched the whole thang on my rear-view cam. Wow, the look on those boys face. Following big trucks close and fast is plain tupid! Did about $1500 damage to their loaned car. I received nada a scratch. Dodge tough!

Sharksbaja - 7-7-2006 at 11:29 PM

This littering thing is surely a case study. I wonder if this phase would extinguish itself or will it take decades of development to redo the sides of the road. I notice in Sta Rosalia lately large amounts of debris has been removed n of town.

bajaden - 7-8-2006 at 10:00 AM

Their cleaning up a lot of the abanded cars along the road too Sharky. By the way Bruce, I think it was some guy named Adoff who said " Right and wrong is determined by who is in power at the time." Somewhat subjective, but who was going to argue with him.
We are all creatures of habit that come from learned values. I guess that makes the teachers responsible for the genesis, but it makes us responsible for the developement or redevelopement of that beginning. Thus, littering is a learned habit. Doesn't make it a good habit, just explains it. Gotta go buy some kitty litter. Chow....

Bruce R Leech - 7-8-2006 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by bajaden
Their cleaning up a lot of the abanded cars along the road too Sharky. By the way Bruce, I think it was some guy named Adoff who said " Right and wrong is determined by who is in power at the time." Somewhat subjective, but who was going to argue with him.
We are all creatures of habit that come from learned values. I guess that makes the teachers responsible for the genesis, but it makes us responsible for the developement or redevelopement of that beginning. Thus, littering is a learned habit. Doesn't make it a good habit, just explains it. Gotta go buy some kitty litter. Chow....

finely some one understands what I am trying to say.thanks Den for saying
" Right and wrong is determined by who is in power at the time." :lol:

you win the prize. now we just need to figure out what that is. :?:

Sharksbaja - 7-8-2006 at 12:05 PM

aw, give em a bag-o-sauce! :biggrin:

Well, I'm going to get myself in trouble AGAIN.

vgabndo - 7-8-2006 at 01:07 PM

I am real big on obeying the speed limit. When I drive down the freeway, I normally set the cruise control for a mile or two over the limit (to be on the safe side), and I don't feel that I have ANY responsibility to be constantly changing lanes to make it easier for people to break the speed limit, (and waste more fuel). Slower traffic should keep right, but if you are driving just as fast as the law allows, how can that possibly be called "slower traffic". The stretch I most frequently drive has one of the highest rates of 100 mph speeding tickets in California. I'd like to hear the "take" from our law enforcement amigos on how is OK to break "some" laws.

Back to the thread, my father was a Park Ranger, as I grew up it was almost as bad to not pick up other people's trash, as it was to litter. To this day, my wife and I return from most any outing with a bag of other people's crap. (well, not literally.:lol

Vgabndo------------

Barry A. - 7-8-2006 at 01:23 PM

-----that is funny, about the Park Ranger dad------I was a Park Ranger for years and years----maybe that is what's wrong with me, as I, and my family, do the same as you in picking up others trash :lol:

In CA, the law is that the left hand lane on a 4 + lane highway is the PASSING LANE, and it is ILLEGAL for persons to cruize in the left hand lane, let alone impede the flow of traffic. It is loosely enforced, tho, and that is probably why most do not even know about the law. It has been my experience that the frustration and anger caused by folks hogging the left lane has caused many more accidents (usually indirectly) than people cruising at 70 in a 65 MPH speed zone, but I do not have statistics to back that up.

I do NOT feel that it is my job, as a citizen, to cause extreme consternation in my fellow citizens, so I religiously keep to the right except when passing.

On the other hand, when I do need to pass and have put on my lane-changing blinker, I do expect the fast cars in the left lane to yield and let me into the left lane to accomplish the pass-------it is the law, and common courtesy, IMHO.

bajaden - 7-8-2006 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
aw, give em a bag-o-sauce! :biggrin:

The sauce, oh my God the sauce, anything for the sauce. I'm your pupil who listens to your pearls of wisdom. I worship you at the great altar of ass kissers with no shame. Everyone thinks I'm crazy, but, they have never tasted the sauce. Thanks again Sharky.....

bajaden - 7-8-2006 at 05:02 PM

One more word on liter. I used to belong to a jeep club called the mudslingers. I know, not a very original name. Every year we would volunteer along with other clubs to go in and clean up desolation valley wilderness area. Only hikers were allowed. Mostly people who were susposed to be concerned with the inviorment. . We were allowed to go in with jeeps and trailers for the clean up. I can't even remember how many tons of trash we pulled out of there. It had the smell of hypocrisy. Not an indictment of all the people who went there of course, but talk is cheap. I judge people by what they do and not what they say. I guess I would never make it as a politician.

Bajaden-------

Barry A. - 7-8-2006 at 05:09 PM

While I was working for the BLM in Imperial county (1973 to 1986), we constantly had Jeep Clubs volunteering to clean up areas that had been trashed----------without them we never could have begun to get a handle on things. I was there 13 years, and I saw the trash situation improve dramatically during that time, and we have the public and jeep clubs to thank for that, especially Bozzie Willis of the "Tierra del Sol" jeep club out of San Diego.

I applaud you, and your buddies.

Bruce R Leech - 7-8-2006 at 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
One barreled in and rammed in under my plug-in receiver hitch platform. Watched the whole thang on my rear-view cam.

On your WHAT? :?:

This I gotta hear about...

--Larry

it is pretty cool he wares it on his belt in the back it points down at his plug-in receiver. he can see everything :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 7-8-2006 at 07:15 PM

Have you ever noticed how every one always puts to many or to few beans in there chili con Carney and you are the only one that dose it just right :yes:

Bruce------

Barry A. - 7-8-2006 at 07:29 PM

NO! Do they do that????

bajalou - 7-8-2006 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Have you ever noticed how every one always puts to many or to few beans in there chili con Carney and you are the only one that dose it just right :yes:

Now we're getting to the really important stuff!!!! :cool:

Larry

Sharksbaja - 7-10-2006 at 12:00 AM

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On your WHAT? :?:

This I gotta hear about...

--Larry

I was on the Golden State Freeway south near Glendal and everyone was doing the stop n dash thing. Speed up then slow down .....fast! This had been like this for some 5mi, when bam! Everyone came to a screeching halt. My Ram stops very quickly. "With spare change" as Whistler says.
Anyway I was watching my backend-cam on the dashboard monitor and was watcing a couple of Chicano guys twenty something havin' fun behind me with their riced-out Nissan Sentra. You've seen em , lowered with thin tires and souped-up, tinted windows etc. Not really one of the top[ end jobs but they were goosin' it then slowing down right behind me.
The camera I have is mounted under the receiver platform that carries our our little off-road scooters. I have a good view behind me.
The dummies were showing off when the whole lane stopped dead from 40mph. I tromped on the brakes and stopped w/ room to spare but the Nissan that was behind me couldn't stop and I watched em slide right under my hauler. It was pretty funny really on the screen. They just sat there looking at one another as I pulled away to the right to assess the damage. They followed and when they copped to their misfortune we exchanged info. They did not own the car but had their buddy on the cell phone. My $6.50 Ebay purchase sustained a tiny chip in it's plastic housing but still works!. :lol:

Other than that nada. I couldn't find anything. As for the Nissan. I'd say counting the grill, hood, micl and probably that big Edelbrock manifold.....uh $2000 maybe. But hey, it was driveable or :lol:

at least it was.