there was a flock (15+) of crows that were not too happy these two hawks where in the area.
starfish and chorros
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Osprey - 8-12-2006 at 11:44 AM
If you shot that picture in Baja California those are probably Harris Hawks. They hunt in pairs. Crows are mostly east of the Mississippi -- ravens
are found out west. You might notice my posts now are liberally sprinkled with Probablies and Mosts, Manys, At Times, etc.
Osprey, I think I would have to disagree about the distribution of crows and ravens.
vgabndo - 8-12-2006 at 12:27 PM
We have them living side by side in Nor Cal, but crows will always be happier than ravens living close to town. The hawks may be zone tailed hawks.
They will often mix in with vultures especially rising on a morning thermal. If I remember correctly, the white zone on their tails is only on top,
and you don't often see it from below. Locally in San Nicolas they are known as Chicken Hawks, but I assume that any raptor that likes a chicken
dinner would get the same name. We have both crows and ravens in San Nic also.woody with a view - 8-12-2006 at 12:28 PM
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You might notice my posts now are liberally sprinkled with Probablies and Mosts, Manys, At Times, etc.
copy that!Natalie Ann - 8-12-2006 at 12:39 PM
Cooper's Hawks are often referred to as chicken hawks... but those are no Cooper's Hawks.Bob H - 8-12-2006 at 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Osprey
If you shot that picture in Baja California those are probably Harris Hawks. They hunt in pairs. Crows are mostly east of the Mississippi -- ravens
are found out west. You might notice my posts now are liberally sprinkled with Probablies and Mosts, Manys, At Times, etc.
About the crow raven issue......... both crow and ravens inhabit the west. Ravens are much larger birds and the identifying characteristic is that
Ravens have a tail feathers that are beveled on the edges and a Crows tail is straight across. Mucho Ravens in Baja... and I have seen Crows also.
The birds in the first picture are hawks but I cannot tell you which one.
Now I think Harris' Hawk.
vgabndo - 8-12-2006 at 05:09 PM
Both the Zone Tailed and the Harris' hang in Baja in the winter, but I think now that the terminal band on the birds in the picture above don't match
the zoned tail coloration.
Run 'em down and get some better pictures!!!BajaHawk - 8-12-2006 at 05:51 PM
The hawks pictured are Harris hawks. Crows and ravens are common in the western US, Crows expanding their range south in the past several years.Natalie Ann - 8-12-2006 at 06:22 PM
Got a pair of ravens living in my redwood tree. They steal shiney objects and marbels from others, bring 'em to me as gifts. Kind of a nice
arrangement.Bob and Susan - 8-12-2006 at 07:58 PM
Woody....they NEVER forget
this is a tough crowd....Ron_Perry - 8-12-2006 at 11:02 PM
Ok, here is my guess, and my wifes. But first, where were these birds spotted? And how big? Did these have a ruddy red shoulder, (the picture looks
like it)? Did you hear its song?
After checking several books, Smithsonian's BIRDS OF NORTH AMERICA seemed to give us two choices. I will bet a frio Pacifico on the Harris Hawk,
and my wife (no beer) on the larger Common Black Hawk.
The Common Black Hawk is rare in Baja, is larger, and has a longer song than the Harris Hawk.
Then again, probably, maybe, mostly, at times, could be, (as per Osprey) I don't know why it couldn't be a Zone Hawk.
How can bird watching and identifying be so interesting?Sharksbaja - 8-13-2006 at 01:25 AM
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Ok, here is my guess, and my wifes. But first, where were these birds spotted? And how big? Did these have a ruddy red shoulder, (the picture looks
like it)? Did you hear its song?
where? atop a cirio along an otherwise desolate dusty road running through the valley of the cirios
size? a little larger than the crows/ravens but not sopilote big.
reddish? yes.
song? only heard the crows/ravens CAW!!!
crowd? yes, very tough....
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Crows and ravens are common in the western US, Crows expanding their range south in the past several years.
I've noticed this also. When I first moved to our canyonside home in 1994 (in San Diego North County) there were lots of Redtail Hawks and other
large birds hovering above. Then, about six or seven years ago I started to see crows/ravens streaming in. Now, there are lots and lots of them
every day cawing loudly and there are less Redtail Hawks, etc. around these days. They don't get along very well. I've seen a crow come down on a
Redtail hawk and the hawk completely turned itself upside down in mid air exposing his claws to the crow. The crow immediately backed off.
Bob HRuss - 8-15-2006 at 05:54 AM
The Hawk... I had looked them up a few years ago. Can't remember the spelling or pronounciation but it is something like Cara CaraOsprey - 8-15-2006 at 07:59 AM
They don't look like Crested Cara Cara to me (called Gelele down south here). Cara Cara are falcon family like the kestrel, peregines and merlins.
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