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Recent violence reports - FAKE?

Bob H - 8-21-2006 at 04:13 PM

I tend to think that the recent reports of violence on the toll road from Ensenada are fake. I do not see any official reports on the news or in print anywhere. There is no proof of these events. :yawn:

[Edited on 8-21-2006 by Bob H]

comitan - 8-21-2006 at 04:23 PM

Bob

Hope you have your flackjacket on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roberto - 8-21-2006 at 04:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
I tend to think that the recent reports of violence on the toll road from Ensenada are fake. I do not see any official reports on the news or in print anywhere. There is no proof of these events. :yawn:

[Edited on 8-21-2006 by Bob H]


Hmmmm ... and what kind of proof would you like. You need to be able to understand the difference between bogus and real reports. Hint: it's all about who's doing the posting.

Bob and Susan - 8-21-2006 at 05:56 PM

yea i think soulpatch truly belives it...

come to LA...it happens EVERYDAY!!!:spingrin:

elgatoloco - 8-21-2006 at 06:40 PM

Bob H

Too many haves + too many have nots + too much meth = too much violence.

Sad but true.

We will continue to visit the area, but we will remain cautious.

I am less & less inclined to encourage those who have never been to visit the areas between TJ & Ensenada that I have enjoyed for the last 45 years.

Very sad.

Be very careful out there.

Hope to see you at c-ckteleria Mazatlan in the future.l

bajamigo - 8-21-2006 at 07:22 PM

Does Bob H doubt that men walked on the moon?

Bruce R Leech - 8-21-2006 at 07:36 PM

Bob H what do you think they are going to do, go to the police and report it? come on use your head.

toneart - 8-21-2006 at 07:42 PM

Violence happens everywhere. Why should we doubt this report? Wherever one travels one must remain aware. Through the years the wise advice against driving Baja at night has repeatedly been substantiated. This is just one more reason not to drive at night. Too bad it has to occur this time on the well traveled, toll corredor that we all depend on to get further south quickly.

Even though I refuse to live my life in fear, I do appreciate a heads up. I will not drive that corredor at night, whereas I might have before.:fire:

"There is no proof of these events" ????????

Barry A. - 8-21-2006 at 07:47 PM

------come on, Bob---------your kidding us, right??? Are you saying you don't trust your fellow NOMAD's??? Say it isn't so!!

Any opinions/doubts on the holocaust??? the death of J. F. K. ????? how about global warming??? :lol:

and somebody just HAD to drag poor "Woody in OB's" corpse story in Catavina up again----------

Wow, the NOMAD's will be polarizing soon, just like the country. :lol:

I wish you were right, but I am convinced you are not.

elgatoloco - 8-21-2006 at 08:47 PM

Bob H is my kind of guy. He's an optimist!

I too like Bob H wish it were not true.

When he made that post I am guessing that he was, like me, wishing it was all a bad dream.

My family has been lucky enough to have had a house at the beach in Baja Norte since I was a 'gleam in my daddy's eye' and it kills me to see the changes that have occurred in the last few years relative to one?s feeling of safety/security in the area.

The tragedy of it all is that the feeding frenzy in development is only going to worsen the situation and until something changes BIG TIME the local authorities are of NO help.

One just have to be very careful.

Hang in there Bob!

Debra - 8-21-2006 at 09:05 PM

Point well made Elgatoloco,

As a woman traveling alone with small children in tow, I too appreceicate the heads up, will it stop me? No! I will not travel the toll road at night as I have the last few times though!

Mike Humfreville - 8-21-2006 at 09:13 PM

Regardless of the validity of the original shooting story, how can we resent someone passing on the news? No one claimed to be there first hand, no one here saw it. Is this type of behavior completely unlikely in Mexico (or the US)??? NOT! The more information we have the better off we are, and I mean to include those who have never travelled the peninsula before. Most of us have been helped by the locals in so many ways that we very much appreciate the hospitality. That doesn't mean there aren't a few bad dudes out there. I've been reading for years how the influx of mainland Mexico workers in the agricultural arena in the general area has seriously increased the crime between the border and El Rosario. While any crime is intolorable at least we can try and understand the causes for this behavior, actual or assumed, and take action to avoid it.

Roberto - 8-21-2006 at 09:31 PM

Actually, Mike, soulpatch was not "passing on the news" as you put it. He wasn't there, true, but since the trailer is at his house, and he has visited the injured person at the hospital, it's probably closer than that, don't you think?

Roberto

Mike Humfreville - 8-21-2006 at 09:38 PM

My comment refers to Bob H's initial post (that started this thread. SoulPatch wasn't even in my head.

capt. mike - 8-22-2006 at 04:56 AM

whaaaaaaaaaat????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we actually WENT to the moon?
i thought it was filmed in Nevada at Art Bell's place.:?:

Bruce R Leech - 8-22-2006 at 05:31 AM

what kind of Nomad would soulpatch be if he had this info and didn't pass it along to us?

thanks soulpatch

aha baja - 8-22-2006 at 08:00 AM

I personaly know the person who was shot in the report i worked with them on projects for several years. I didn't read it first on Nomads but heard about it from one of his subcontractors at 8am that morning(co-owner of a construction business) I wanted to confirm the "rumor" and looked it up on Nomads. If Soulpatch said it happend, rest assured IT HAPPENED!!!. I know the person shot and soulpatch to be honest, decent, family oriented people and this is not being made up. Get cynical somewhere else but this did happen. Tom(victim) did not ask for this to happen nor would he ever encourage it. He and his family were victims of random senceless violence and did not deserve this . It brings it all home when it happens to someone you know and respect. This could have happened in the U.S but with Mexico+less negative media coverage=GRINGO $$ P.S. Soulpatch, please tell Tom we all wish him a speedy recovery.

Bob H - 8-22-2006 at 08:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Roberto
Hint: it's all about who's doing the posting.


Very good point - well taken. My wish is that these stories are not true.

[Edited on 8-22-2006 by Bob H]

Bob H - 8-22-2006 at 08:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by elgatoloco
Bob H is my kind of guy. He's an optimist!

I too like Bob H wish it were not true.

When he made that post I am guessing that he was, like me, wishing it was all a bad dream.



I think you got it right.... thanks for the positive feedback.

ahabaja's post should have been unnecessary

Baja Bernie - 8-22-2006 at 10:21 AM

Baja Travels

MrBillM - 8-22-2006 at 10:53 AM

Whether or not a particular incident is true, false or embellished is not that significant to discussing the problem given the fact that there are plenty of like events verified and published on a regular basis. Unless I "knew" for a fact that an event was untrue, I would assume that the person reporting it was truthful.

It has been dangerous for persons of relative wealth to travel in poverty stricken third-world countries for longer than I've been alive and it always will be. It has never stopped me from going and enjoying my life, although I have prudently revised my plans over the years as events dictated. I intend to continue travelling and residing in Baja for as long as I'm physically able. Hopefully, many years from now, I'll lapse into a coma while sitting on my patio and die shortly after being evacuated to the U.S., sparing my spouse the difficulty of dealing with the Mexican authorities to move the body. She can then bring the ashes back and spread them on the Sea of Cortez or flush them down the toilet and say she did.

Speaking of water bottles, I agree that I'd rather prudently travel on my own in Baja than deal with the Mental Midgets at the TSA. I have NO intentions to ever again fly anywhere that I can drive, take a train or a bus. It's incredible that, after all of these years (almost five) Homeland Security and the TSA are still over reacting every time a new "threat" is perceived and that the President and Congress are unwilling to pursue sensible "profiling" legislation to make flying efficient once again.

That vehicle looks like a definite target!

Hook - 8-22-2006 at 12:07 PM

It could easily be mistaken for an armoured truck.

I need to buy a beater truck for my future trips to Baja......OSO had it right all along.

Hey, maybe there's a market for decals that look like body dents and bullet holes and cracked glass. :light:

Packoderm - 8-22-2006 at 09:51 PM

"Hey, maybe there's a market for decals that look like body dents and bullet holes and cracked glass."

Good idea. And also removable primer paint for that urban camouflage look.

aha baja - 8-23-2006 at 09:22 AM

Someone once said regarding weapons charges" it is better to be found guilty by a jury of 12 than to be carried by 6 pall barers"

speaking of weapons............

pacificobob - 8-23-2006 at 09:47 AM

here in the north i usually am within arms reach of a gun of some sort. a neighbor shot a bear trying to enter his house yesterday...
however, ive never considered it worth the legal risk to carry a gun in mexico.....always felt rather safe from situations that might require one...........i wonder if any nomads carry in mexico?

Bajame - 8-23-2006 at 11:03 AM

About the moon, I heard it was fake, we needed to show the world we were ahead of them in this area. Check it out on the web. Moon walk true or flase. If it is true why haven't we been back? Why did we not put a space station there? The flag was blowing that should'nt of happen. These are not my ideas but what others say. Was it propaganda? I know this is not a Baja related story but this could mean that the story about the three Bears was made up too!:O

DanO - 8-23-2006 at 11:35 AM

The flag wasn't blowing. It had wires inserted inside the stripes to hold it up in unfurled position. As for why we haven't been back, I'm guessing because there's no oil on the moon.:lol: