BajaNomad - Baja resorts still building! Water???

Baja resorts still building! Water???

thebajarunner - 8-26-2006 at 09:23 AM

Mexican Resorts Show No Sign of Catching U.S. Housing's Cold
Despite worry, the flow of foreign money into vacation sites in Baja and elsewhere hasn't slowed.
By Evelyn Iritani
Times Staff Writer

August 26, 2006

Real estate experts in Mexico worry that the giant sound they hear is the softening U.S. housing market sucking out the money that Americans have poured into vacation homes south of the border.

But neither the cooling American housing market nor tense Mexican presidential politics so far have stemmed the influx of foreign dollars into Mexico's booming coastal resort areas, government and real estate officials said.

When FONATUR, Mexico's tourism development agency, put the first phase of Litibu on the market a few months ago, buyers snapped up the 500 acres of the newest Pacific Coast resort for $125 million. Foreign investment into Mexico is on track to hit $20 billion this year, up from $17.6 billion in 2005, according to the government.

"We have some concerns about the slowing U.S. housing market but there are many other things working for us," said John McCarthy, FONATUR's director general, who was in Beverly Hills recently to speak to U.S. investors. "Most of our buyers are baby boomers who have paid off in good part their initial mortgage and are coming into inheritance money."

In addition, real estate experts say, Mexico's resort property market might experience a smaller price shock than U.S. homes will because it is a new area of investment and the buyers tend to be higher-income and less likely to be forced into fire sales.

"The cooling real estate market could take this from being a very, very positive trend to a mildly positive trend," said Christopher Thornberg, an economist with Beacon Economics, a real estate consulting firm in Los Angeles.

That's good news for Janette and Harvey Craig, who paid $60,000 four years ago for a piece of beachfront property in Litibu, a small beach community about 30 miles north of Puerto Vallerta. They expect the parcel, which is worth about $300,000 today, to become even more valuable when the nearby resort is completed in three years. It will include hotels and condominiums, 910 homes and an 18-hole golf course designed by Greg Norman.

"It's just going to push prices higher and higher," said Janette, a part-owner of Garcia Realty in the nearby surfing town of Sayulita.

In the past, foreigners have been wary of investing in Mexico because of legal problems, corruption and red tape. But changes in Mexican laws have made it easier for foreigners to own property through bank trusts. Major U.S. firms have begun offering mortgages and title insurance.

Mexico also is drawing more attention from Europe. Last year, Spanish companies were the top investors in the tourist industry, pumping $416 million into resort properties. U.S. investors followed with $321 million, according to the tourism agency. McCarthy rejects the notion that tourism only benefits wealthy developers and well-heeled travelers. He pointed out that the average incomes in Quintana Roo and Baja California Sur, the states that are home to Cancun and Cabo San Lucas, are among the highest in the nation. Tourism is the third-largest generator of foreign exchange in Mexico, after oil and remittances from Mexicans living abroad.

FONATUR identifies promising tourism areas, buys land, draws up a master plan and develops basic services such as roads, sewage facilities and power plants. The government then sells the property to private developers.

By getting state and local officials to sign off on a project, the Mexican government has dramatically reduced the risks to foreign investors, said Doug Regelous, president of Los Angeles-based Daedalus Projects Group Inc.

Daedalus is finalizing the purchase of approximately 9,000 acres on the East Cape, a largely undeveloped stretch of coastline along the Gulf of California between San Jose del Cabo and Punta Pescadero.

He declined to divulge the specifics of the project because the deal had not been finalized. But he said it would contain an upscale resort hotel, golf course and residential community with a focus on water sports.

"The East Cape is a swimmable ocean," he said. "The Pacific isn't."

In just a few decades, the southern tip of the Baja Peninsula has become one of Mexico's most exclusive getaways.

Once known for inexpensive time-share properties, the rugged coast between Cabo San Lucas and the sleepier San Jose del Cabo is lined with luxury resorts that charge as much as $1,000 a night for hotel rooms. Oceanfront estates sell for as much as $7 million. On busy weekends, it is not uncommon to see 100 private jets at the airport.

Mexico's real estate boom also has been helped by the development of upscale "fractional ownership" properties that allow buyers to purchase a piece of a condominium or home.

Barry Hacker and his wife, Paivi, sold their beachfront home in Florida after it was damaged by two hurricanes in two years. They said they have invested "tens of millions" of dollars in a piece of waterfront property in Ixtapa, a resort area on the west coast of Mexico. They plan to build a 10-room boutique hotel called Punta Romantica and offer fractional ownership in 10, four-bedroom villas on the property.

Hacker, a partner in KPMG's Tokyo office, said many wealthy Americans were selling their waterfront properties in Florida and California while prices were high. "We can deliver a villa for a fraction of the cost that's also oceanfront and is fully staffed with all the hotel services, a gym, a spa and a restaurant," he said.

Mexican tourism officials are sensitive to criticism that this rapid development threatens some of the country's most beautiful coastline and marine reserves and puts a strain on the rural communities that bear the brunt of the rising land costs, increased traffic and an influx of people looking for work.

These challenges have come into sharp focus along the east coast of Baja California Sur, which borders the Gulf of California, home of the largest marine park in Mexico.

FONATUR has teamed up with Loreto Bay Co., a Scottsdale, Ariz., developer, to build what is being billed as the "largest resort community in North America committed to the principles of sustainable development." The Mexican government invested $200 million on roads, water treatment plants and other infrastructure.

The $3-billion project, called the Villages of Loreto Bay, will create a town of 6,000 homes in neighborhoods designed for pedestrians and golf carts. No cars will be allowed. Nearly two-thirds of the 8,000 acres will be maintained as a "greenlands preserve."

Homes are being constructed with locally produced adobe bricks, and the developer has leased land for a wind farm so the project can generate its own electricity, said Jim Grogan, Loreto Bay's president and chief executive.

In two years, the project has sold 640 homes, whose prices start at $380,000. Two-thirds of the buyers are Americans, many from California, and the remainder are mostly Canadians with a sprinkling of Mexicans.

"There's no question, people are willing to pay a premium for sustainable development," Grogan said.

The U.S. firm has established a nonprofit foundation that has bought new equipment for the local hospital and purchased a patrol boat for the marine conservancy, according to Grogan. The Loreto Bay Foundation gets 1% of all home sales and resales, or about $3 million so far.

Rob Faris, an economist with the Harvard Institute for International Development, praised the developer's efforts to limit the project's environmental footprint. But he worries about the impact such a large number of people will have on southern Baja's limited water supply, the marine park and the community of Loreto. Within two decades, the population of the sparsely populated region is expected to balloon from 15,000 to 120,000, according to a study co-authored by Faris.

"I think their intentions are largely noble," Faris said of Loreto Bay Co. "But creating a sustainable community of this magnitude in Mexico, it hasn't been done before."

DianaT - 8-26-2006 at 09:45 AM

Interesting article---thanks

Diane

thebajarunner - 8-26-2006 at 02:44 PM

Yes, very interesting...

so, I keep asking, where will they find enough fresh water???

and, there is no answer, just wishful thinking.

(I am a California real estate developer- I know what an issue water can be!!!)

bajablue - 8-26-2006 at 03:48 PM

Runner,
It is my understanding that all new developments on the coast, will have to build desalinization plants. I know that is at least true down in the Cabo area..

Skeet/Loreto - 8-27-2006 at 03:34 AM

The Report stated that "The Fonatur had invested $200 Million in Water Treatment Plants".
Where are the Plants? Anybody in Loreto have a Photo?
"The Farmer Hauls another Load Away".
Skeet/Loreto

Don Alley - 8-27-2006 at 06:55 AM

Quit yer hand wringin'.

These are Sustainable Developments.

Sustainable Developments produce more water than they use. So what's the problem?

:lol:

This article

Hook - 8-28-2006 at 07:59 PM

read almost like a real estate infomercial for Mexico until the last two paragraphs.

Then, the author, maybe in a bit of guilt over being so partial, MENTIONS potential water problems.

And this is what passes as journalism these days?

Somebody in Tribune Media must be heavily invested in one of these projects......

thebajarunner - 8-28-2006 at 08:13 PM

Mebbe they can tow in some icebergs..
Soooooo, would they come down from the Arctic, or up from Antarctica?
hmmmmmmm,
or mebbe they can just get the Saudis to share some of their desal solutions....so to speak.
NOT!!!!
The 'haul in water' concession is gonna be worth a bundle in the very near future along that coast!
If I were 20 years younger I would be buying a fleet of tankers and heading down there.
Gazillions of bux to be made off the dry, dry, dry manisions!

vgabndo - 8-28-2006 at 08:54 PM

Having lived so long at the headwaters of the Sacramento River, I remember having my mind blown while on a project in New York City when I saw a plastic bottle of drinking water in a mini-mart cooler. I called a buddy at home and said, you'll never believe what I saw today. That was just twenty years ago. THAT was when I should have been smart enough to spend what ever it cost to own a spring.

It might be smart to buy a water truck no matter our ages. :no:

jerry - 8-29-2006 at 09:40 AM

water truck is a great investment but before ya start counting your money ya better figure out where your going to get the water to haul??

From Lake Shasta?

thebajarunner - 8-29-2006 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by jerry
water truck is a great investment but before ya start counting your money ya better figure out where your going to get the water to haul??

In 5 more years of building down there you could haul it from vgabndo's back yard and make money, that is how costly water will be when they finish their buildout.

BajaNomad - 8-29-2006 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
Mebbe they can tow in some icebergs..
Soooooo, would they come down from the Arctic, or up from Antarctica?...

The 'haul in water' concession is gonna be worth a bundle in the very near future along that coast! If I were 20 years younger I would be buying a fleet of tankers and heading down there. Gazillions of bux to be made off the dry, dry, dry manisions!

How about towable "Sea Slugs" to haul potable water in from the nearest source along the coast? Is this a realistic opportunity?:

http://www.canflexinc.com/ocean_towable_bladders_en.cfm

http://www.flexiblecontainment.com/towable_sea_tanks.html

:biggrin:

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Doug

[Edited on 8-29-2006 by BajaNomad]

Al G - 8-29-2006 at 11:29 AM

"Sooooo, would they come down from the Arctic, or up from Antarctica?"
Runner...Would not it be more cost effective to go down Hill then uphill?

Besides dragging something uphill would create to much friction and they would melt.

[Edited on 8-29-2006 by Al G]

Al G - 8-29-2006 at 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote:

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Doug

[Edited on 8-29-2006 by BajaNomad]

Doug... I noticed the big Grin...but there might be cost effective short term need. Thanks for the heads up.
Also do you know if

BajaNomad - 8-29-2006 at 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Al G
Also do you know if

Al G - 8-29-2006 at 12:27 PM

Not sure where I was going. Got a phone call. Maybe I'll think of it later. Could not have been real important.

Towing uphill

thebajarunner - 8-29-2006 at 02:45 PM

Now why didn't I think of that?
Sort of like in the Star Wars movie where the spaceship comes in below the earth,
whereas, when I land my airplane the earth is always below me.
Most perplexing (although I do occasionally fly with a buddy in his Stinson and when he turns us upside down it looketh a lot like the Star Wars deal- tough to land it that way, tho)
Let's see, where were we.
Oh yeah, the upcoming water situation along the gulf coast.
Well, as I always told my kids....

"So, what do you think the astronauts drink?"

roundtuit - 8-29-2006 at 04:57 PM

I have about 4,000,000 acre ft ( 1 acre 1 ft deep ) in front of my house who has the trucks. Lets make a deal :lol:

Al G - 8-29-2006 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by roundtuit
I have about 4,000,000 acre ft ( 1 acre 1 ft deep ) in front of my house who has the trucks. Lets make a deal :lol:

Wait a minute.... 1 acre, 1 foot deep = 4,000,000 acre feet???
:lol:

Just the partner I have been looking for...Thinking outside the box.

Wait a minute... I don't know how figure acre feet, just sounds like alot to me?????
:lol:

Had to google this one, but I was right It equals 1 acre foot.

[Edited on 8-30-2006 by Al G]

And in further computations

thebajarunner - 8-29-2006 at 05:51 PM

Yep, lakes and reservoirs are expressed in acre feet, which you have well described.
Stream flows are in cubic feet per second (cfs)
Thus, if a river is flowing strongly, say 8,000 cfs, then every 5.5 seconds an acre foot goes past.
Interpolate that (with a little rounding off for ease of calculation) and we find that in a minute we have passed some 10 acre feet, in an hour 600 acre feet, in a day some 14,400 acre feet.
And thus the reservoir fills and/or empties depending on your position in the flow of things.
Which means that at 8000 cfs your 4 million a/f lake will fill and/or empty in about 278 days, give or take some rounding errors. (plus or minus evaporation, seepage, and ground absorption)
Now, isn't that fun???
Work on it, it kind of grows on you...

roundtuit - 8-29-2006 at 06:14 PM

Want to take it farther i May I had 4,552,000 arce ft, guess we missed the boat , or the trucks :lol: