academicanarchist - 9-9-2006 at 03:05 PM
In 1768, Franciscans replaced the Jesuits in the Baja California missions under the leadership of Junipero Serra, who later went on to open the
California mission frontier. The Franciscans remained in Baja California for five years (1768-1773), and then transferred the missions to the
Dominicans.
At the time, there were three apostolic colleges in Mexico that trained missionary personnel and administered the different missions. They were Santa
Cruz de Queretaro, Guadalupe de Zacatecas, and San Fernando de Mexico, located in Mexico City. The church in the attached photograph is San Fernando
in Mexico City, and is what remains of the apostolic college that administered the Baja California missions for five years and the California
missions.
David K - 9-9-2006 at 03:11 PM
Fantastic!
Great to see you back on Nomad, Robert!
[Edited on 9-15-2006 by David K]
bajalera - 9-14-2006 at 12:06 PM
Welcome back, Robert! I was afraid you'd either got lost on the Beltway or been kidnapped by neocons.
Franciscan colleges?
John M - 9-14-2006 at 06:23 PM
Robert - were the colleges run by Franciscans? Did the Dominicans also have colleges in Mexico? Lastly - the Jesuits, from what I understand also had
colleges in Mexico at an earlier time. What became of those facilities upon the Jesuit expulsion in 1767/68?
John M
academicanarchist - 9-20-2006 at 01:07 AM
Just been busy at work, and traveling. To answer the question, the Franciscans had apostolic colleges at Queretaro, Zacatecas, and of course San
Fernando in Mexico City. The Dominicans did not, although there were many Dominican churches in central Mexico. I visited one recently at Acapotzalco,
in Mexico City. There is a large Jesuit complex just northwest of Mexico City at a place called Tepotzotlan, which is now the Museo del Virreinato.
Very impressive church and complex. I will post some pics of both later.
Jesuit Church at Tepotzotlan
academicanarchist - 9-20-2006 at 02:23 PM
[Edited on 9-20-2006 by academicanarchist]
Interesting wall mural at Tepotzotlan
academicanarchist - 9-20-2006 at 02:26 PM
Santos Apostoles Santiago y Felipe-Dominican Church at Acapotzalco
academicanarchist - 9-20-2006 at 02:27 PM
Cypress - 9-20-2006 at 02:33 PM
Amazing! Thanks for sharing.
How'd they do that?
Looks like some very HARD labor and lot's of artistic ability. Who provided the
labor?
labor
academicanarchist - 9-20-2006 at 03:12 PM
Indians
Cypress - 9-20-2006 at 03:27 PM
Jeez! academicanarchist(that's a long bunch of letters). Don't even want to think of what was motivating 'em to provide the muscle and sweat to build
those structures. A gun to the head? Holding their family hostage?
Tepotzotlan
John M - 9-20-2006 at 03:33 PM
Robert, thanks for this new chapter in my studies of Mission era activity. I located this book (link below) and wonder if you have a clue if this is
specific to the church/college/museum you've provided the photograph of.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetails?bi=452625946
Thank you. John Marnell
Tepotzotlan
academicanarchist - 9-20-2006 at 04:24 PM
That's the place.
16th century churches
academicanarchist - 9-21-2006 at 12:43 AM
17th and 18th century churches are interesting, but I am really fascinated by the mid and late 16th century complexes, such as Huejotzingo, located in
Puebla.
Tepeaca, Puebla
academicanarchist - 9-21-2006 at 12:44 AM
Tepeji, Hidalgo
academicanarchist - 9-21-2006 at 12:45 AM
San Gabriel, Cholula, Puebla
academicanarchist - 9-21-2006 at 12:48 AM
Acolman, Estado de Mexico
academicanarchist - 9-21-2006 at 12:53 AM
Huejotzingo Mural
academicanarchist - 9-21-2006 at 12:54 AM
This mural at Huejotzingo depicts the first group of Franciscans to arrive in Mexico in 1524.
Meztitlan, Hidalgo
academicanarchist - 9-25-2006 at 12:30 AM
Here I am in a recent photo in front of the 16th century Augustinian convent of Los Santos Reyes de Meztitlan, in the Vega de Meztitlan, Hidalgo.
About 2 1/2 hours from Mexico City.
[Edited on 9-25-2006 by academicanarchist]
Phil S - 9-25-2006 at 07:07 AM
Robert. Thanks for the pic's & intro. Wendy & I spent couple weeks two years ago visiting churches in Puebla, Queretaro, Guanajuato and San
Miguel de Allende. Brought back great memories. Our friend from Loreto, who had moved back to Puebla, Jesus Garcia, was our tour guide while in
Puebla. He's missed very much in Loreto. Spending the winters in Loreto has another plus. Flights from Loreto Int'l airport to Mexico City airport
puts you in touch with anywhere in the world.
Meztitlan, Hidalgo
academicanarchist - 9-25-2006 at 04:06 PM
Jihuico, Hidalgo
academicanarchist - 9-25-2006 at 04:08 PM
There are spectacular and beautiful churches in central Mexico, particularly Puebla and Hidalgo.
La Vega de Meztitlan, Hidalgo
academicanarchist - 9-25-2006 at 04:11 PM
bajalera - 9-27-2006 at 11:17 AM
Robert, I read somewhere that Padre Salvatierra promised Our Lady that if she would cure him of an illness, he would build in Mexico City a replica of
the church that was transported to Loreto, Italy, by angels--and one of his brothers sent him the exact measurements of the original.
Do you happen to know if Salvatierra ever got around to this?
reply to Lee
academicanarchist - 9-27-2006 at 02:09 PM
Nope.
Oso - 9-27-2006 at 06:28 PM
Great pics! With so many in Hidalgo, I'm surprised that you skipped Ixmiquilpan's church and convent of San Miguel Arcangel, built by (or rather
construction supervised by) the Augustines in the 16th century. Maybe the exterior architecture is not so elaborate or striking as later structures
but the interior murals, painted around 1570 by Indian (Otomi) artists in a fantasmagoric style similar to the Aztec codexes are mind blowing. This
is an old picture, but not old enough to show the old market where my Mother-in-law had her fonda, more or less where you see the ersatz copy of the
D.F. Diana in the present ugly bare plaza. My Brothers-in-law used to delight in showing me a small room in the upper reaches of the church which was
used by the "Holy Inquisition" for the strangulation of heretics and disposal of nuns who had become pregnant.
[Edited on 9-28-2006 by Oso]
Oso - 9-27-2006 at 07:46 PM
Check out these:
http://www.colonial-mexico.com/Central%20Mexico/ixm.html
http://www.colonial-mexico.com/Central%20Mexico/ixm.html
[Edited on 9-28-2006 by Oso]
It's on my list
academicanarchist - 9-28-2006 at 12:51 AM
The 16th century convents in Ixmiquilpan and Actopan, both north of Pachuca in Hidalgo, are on my list to visit next.
Oso - 9-28-2006 at 08:24 AM
Cool. Be sure to take a bathing suit. There are several great hot springs around Ixmi. The Indians didn't use to bother, but since most have been
"improved" for the Chilango tourists, especially the big one at El Tepehe, they like you to wear something. If you have time, there is a beautiful
natural place called Las Grutas de Tolontongo a few miles into the hills, reachable with 2wd. A hot spring flows into a cave and then a series of
rock pools down the canyon to a river below. The pools vary in temperature, so you can pick just the right one. Don't make my dumb mistake and stand
under the waterfall in the cave, though. It makes a great strong massaging shower, but the occasional large rock comes along with the hot water. In
town, aside from the church, there is a stone bridge over the Tula river, also built in siglo XVI. Monday is market day when the Otomí come down
from the Sierra to trade, you can find intricate counted stitch embroidery, hand woven serapes and bootleg aguardiente. The "Patrimonio" in town
sells artisanry- tiny miniature musical instruments inlaid with mother-of-pearl.
Thanks-Azcapotzalco
academicanarchist - 9-28-2006 at 03:43 PM
Thanks Oso. I hope to get there next month.
[Edited on 9-28-2006 by academicanarchist]
Meztitlan, Hidalgo
academicanarchist - 9-28-2006 at 03:45 PM
Meztitlan Convent
academicanarchist - 9-29-2006 at 05:37 AM
Meztitlan Convent
academicanarchist - 9-29-2006 at 05:38 AM
