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Shocks

Bajamatic - 10-4-2006 at 05:02 PM

I've been debating with a few people about what direction to take for new shocks. What are you thoughts about it? Best brands, nitro-charged, adjustable? Coil Over? Anyone in-the-know on this subject?

comitan - 10-4-2006 at 05:05 PM

Rancho 9000, they are adjustable, for a rougher ride!!!!!!!!!!

Neal Johns - 10-4-2006 at 05:14 PM

Very controversial subject. Adjustable is good.

Bajamatic - 10-4-2006 at 05:21 PM

do adjustable shocks get soft enough to help the washboards or is it more for load?

BajaWarrior - 10-4-2006 at 05:23 PM

I have a one ton, 4wd. crew cab, no matter what, it just rides rough. I run Billsteins, but didn't ride any differant from stock. Having a lot of weight in the bed helps...

comitan - 10-4-2006 at 05:26 PM

I think only lowering tire pressure helps washboard, adjustable makes for a stiffer ride.

Neal Johns - 10-4-2006 at 05:36 PM

Bajamatic, adjustable is both for weight and for adjusting for the road conditions. Shock absorbers do not absorb shock, quite the contrary, they transmit shock. They just dampen the natural tendency of a spring to go bong up and down. Books have been written on matching shocks to vehicles, and yeah, I have some of them. It doesn't help me a bit! You need a few hundred thousand bucks of test equipment or an awful lot of track testing time to really get them right.

Ken Cooke - 10-4-2006 at 05:44 PM

My thoughts after running adjustable and non adjustable is that I love the ability to adjust depending on the amount of load is in my Jeep.

A friend runs Old Man Emu - shocks designed for the washboard of Australia, and they are amazing. They are not adjustable, but her lifted Rubicon rides like a million bucks on 1'-3' rutted offroad trail sections.

I'm running adjustable Pro-Comp MX-6 shocks. While they don't run like a million bucks, they still are great when traveling in the backcountry of Baja. I also noticed when I briefly ran BFG All-Terrain KOs that these tires really complimented these shocks I run. Felt like 4 big balloons under my Jeep - a great ride.

Think about the kind of tire you're running in addition to the shocks you plan to run. Nothing will feel perfect, except sitting on a sofa in your living room IMO.

TMW - 10-4-2006 at 06:04 PM

Some of the shock companies are offering shocks with a nitrogen bottle for remote attachment or as a solid part mounted off to the side of the shock. This type of shock is similar to a rear motorcycle shock and a similar version is used on many off-road race cars. They would need to be matched to your vehicle. A good setup is a dual shock system for the front. If your low bucks like me I would try the Rancho 9000 or the Pro-Comp like Ken is using so you can adjust to find your best setting. Heat is your worst enemy for a shock. All that movement over a rough road can super heat a shock. I once melted the rubber boot on a Bilstein coming up from Gonzaga Bay in my Toyota. If you have a Ford they make a simple kit to mount dual shocks up front on some models. It would be well worth it.

Al G - 10-4-2006 at 06:34 PM

Hey... does anyone know what shooks I need to do 3' jumps with my 32' Motorhome in the Baja 1000:lol::lol::lol:
OK OK....I have Bilsteins and they work great. Are they better then stock???
My shocks were shot so anything would have worked better.

marek - 10-4-2006 at 10:53 PM

What kind of vehicle do you have?

How do you want to use it?

That will help a lot with your shock selection.

Running the Rancho 9000 adjustables...

Mexray - 10-5-2006 at 12:26 AM

...on the Ford F-350 with the Lance 10 ft camper.

Firmest setting in the read to help with the 'sway' factor, and about mid-range up front for the 'ride'....so far, so good!

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Bajamatic - 10-5-2006 at 07:21 AM

so do the adjustable shocks adjust from inside the car or do you have to get out and get under the car 4 times to make a change?

David K - 10-5-2006 at 08:37 AM

Bilstein... the shock built for the Baja!

I know there are a zillion choices out there, but I have been very happy with the 'stock' Bilsteins that come on the TRD package Toyota trucks... and if they work that well, I can only imagine that aftermarket Bilsteins are that much better.

My measure point is the handling on washboard roads... My Tacoma glides over washboards when others report how terrible the same road is. I will add that I am usually traveling light.

Neal Johns - 10-5-2006 at 09:20 AM

Bajamatic, Rancho adjustable shocks can be adjusted from the cab - if you buy the Rancho "console" that is sold separately. Otherwise you get down on your knees and turn a knob on each shock

Baja&Back - 10-5-2006 at 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
Hey... does anyone know what shooks I need to do 3' jumps with my 32' Motorhome in the Baja 1000:lol::lol::lol:


Al: You take a 2 foot high stack of $100 bills, wrap them in bungee cords & wedge between axle and frame of the moho.
X 4, of course.

If this is too expensive, you might try a lightweight Truck Camper:

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Debra - 10-5-2006 at 12:44 PM

I also asked this question awhile back, do a search....lots of good info.

Baja and Back: Where oh where did you get that picture, that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

roverdude - 10-7-2006 at 11:47 PM

link to thread
As stated in the earlier thread... Not to put any brands down, but all brands mentioned are sub-par to the Fox. Yes, you'll spend a bit more but worth every cent. Depending on budget and what you do while you're driving will dictate which model of Fox. Otherwise, get the Old Man Emu. It's a brand out of Australia and catching on. It's similar in price to the nicer brands mentioned and in my opinion a better product. Plus, they build suspensions for most off-road worthy trucks and SUVs. Now, if you're rich don't even think about it.... Kings.

Roverdude

Geronimo - 10-8-2006 at 08:07 AM

You are partially right. Fox, Billstein, King, Sway away, Radflow, Fabtech, Donahoe, Walker evens, explorer and many others are making rebuildable shocks. Most make a line in the same price range. The variables are diameter and reservoir size. Kings prerunner shock is not much more expensive then a 2.5 fox emulsion shock. King race shocks are very expensive because of the hardness of the shaft and the polish they provide. Internally all these shocks all work similarly.

When I recommend shocks for a stock or slightly modified vehicle I always suggest the Billstein 5100. They are application specific and are a quality shock that won’t boil on you going down the road.

Most people are not willing or able to put the kind of time into fabrication into installing a set of rebuildabales. Mounts are almost always required. Lengths and travel must be established (that is a lot of work).

I run Bill 5100 on my Daily driven 01 ranger, I have 9100 series bills 2.5 coilovers with custom 3"x 12" remote reservoirs for my 93 XJ project. I have over $1000 into these two shocks and they are used from my friend Lee Finke at Race Shock Co.

I tried to not reply to this thread but was forced to
;D

Bruce R Leech - 10-8-2006 at 08:33 AM

I tried to not reply to this thread but was forced to??????


what does that mean Geronimo you save some excellent info and I thank you. why did you not want to do it.

Bruce

Geronimo - 10-8-2006 at 03:50 PM

I think I have posted on a couple of other shock threads, same info. I should write an artical so I can just link to it. Hate to sound like I am ranting

Packoderm - 10-8-2006 at 06:22 PM

KYB GasAjust shocks can't be beat for the money. I bought a set of 4 for my VW bus for about $139.00, and they turned the bus into a Gonzaga road cruiser.

Bajamatic - 10-9-2006 at 10:01 AM

Since i started this thread, I thought I would add to it all previous info that I can find (since there appears to be a wealth of it already posted). So far there's been a lot in quality info. Hopefully this will help bring in some more!

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Any good brand of gas shocks will improve things a lot off-road, but will slightly "stiffen" your on-pavement ride. Don't try and save money on shocks-----you pretty much get what you pay for, but will also get a life-time guarantee with the good ones.
On the other hand, if you go too high-tech, then the ride does get harsher------

Bilstine and KYB both good brands, but there are others.


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I've been real happy with my Pro-Comp MX-6 adjustable shocks. Compression and rebound are the exact same unlike the Rancho RS9000s which only valve compression - which feel like a pogo stick upon rebound on the dirt...


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I run Bilsteins on my Dodge Ram CTD 4x4 and have been happy with Bilsteins on all my past trucks. I am soon to be switching over to a KORE lift on the Dodge and will go with the King shocks...... if youre gonna go... go all out right?!!

So anywho, from past experience and 5 trucks:
Rancho's are junk
KYB are decent for a light truck
Pro Comp (first years at least) were junk
Bilstein have not let me down
Fox were worth every $$$ penny
King's are soon to be tested


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When I ran Rancho RS 5000s, I had oil seepage requiring two sets of shocks to be replaced under warranty. I then switched to RS 9000s on my Ford Ranger meant for an F150 pickup or Full Size Bronco. Those problems went away entirely. The ride was not as well controlled as what I feel in my Jeep with the ProComp MX-6 which dampens compression and rebound.


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You need to break shocks down into three categories, 1. non rebildable application shocks, 2. Rebuildable emulsion shocks, 3. Rebuildiable reservoir shocks.

If you want shocks to bolt on than the first is the only option. Rancho, pro comp, rough country and similar are all basically the same shock, they are a duel piston design. They all share the same qualities; they are very bad at getting rid of heat. On the roads we run on in Baja heat is the first enemy, adjustability of the dampening is secondary concern to heat dissipation. The only shock I will run in this category is the billstein 5100 series. The 5100 are a single piston design and do a much better job of heat dissipation. You need to realize that none of these shocks are sill functing on a trip to Gonzoaga from San Felipe. I have done inferred on many shocks; most OEM shocks will boil the paint on that trip. The two piston gas shocks that I have looked at will reach 200 degrees in less than 10 minutes of washboard, at that temp they are toast; most won?t come back when they cool, the bills do and that makes them worth the money in my opinion.

As for Fox, Bill 7100, 9100, King, Sway a Way and rest, they are in a different league. You need to Make mounts or at least modify your stock mounts and measure for length as they do not make these for specific applications in most cases. My XJ will use Bill 9100 2.5 coil overs in the front and Race Shock 16" remote reservoirs in the rear. That is about $1600 in shocks, the fronts are used. I use 5100?s on my Ranger and they are holding up well.

I have not used any of the reservoir non rebuildable shocks, lot of money for something you can't rebuild.

Anyway just what I have learned........

Geronimo


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Any good brand of gas shocks will improve things a lot off-road, but will slightly "stiffen" your on-pavement ride. Don't try and save money on shocks-----you pretty much get what you pay for, but will also get a life-time guarantee with the good ones.

On the other hand, if you go too high-tech, then the ride does get harsher------

Bilstine and KYB both good brands, but there are others.


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I've been real happy with my Pro-Comp MX-6 adjustable shocks. Compression and rebound are the exact same unlike the Rancho RS9000s which only valve compression - which feel like a pogo stick upon rebound on the dirt...


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I run Bilsteins on my Dodge Ram CTD 4x4 and have been happy with Bilsteins on all my past trucks. I am soon to be switching over to a KORE lift on the Dodge and will go with the King shocks...... if youre gonna go... go all out right?!!

So anywho, from past experience and 5 trucks:
Rancho's are junk
KYB are decent for a light truck
Pro Comp (first years at least) were junk
Bilstein have not let me down
Fox were worth every $$$ penny
King's are soon to be tested


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When I ran Rancho RS 5000s, I had oil seepage requiring two sets of shocks to be replaced under warranty. I then switched to RS 9000s on my Ford Ranger meant for an F150 pickup or Full Size Bronco. Those problems went away entirely. The ride was not as well controlled as what I feel in my Jeep with the ProComp MX-6 which dampens compression and rebound.


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I've run Bilsteins and still have them on the rear of my Z71. The last set of Bilsteins I had on my Toyota melted the rubber boot on the fronts coming up the road from Gonzaga Bay. I switched back to Rancho RS5000. I like the ride better, especially off road. I'd like to go with a reservoir shock but haven't found one that fits right without mods.


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Originally posted by whistler
David, give Deaver springs a call.They will make what you want and they are in your area.I would also go with a long leaf rather than a short overload type.


Ditto that - most any spring you buy at ORW will have been made by Deaver. Jeff Deaver and family have been doing this for a long time, and will set up most any race vehicle, chase truck, truck, trailer, rv, etc. according to the specific needs you have. They are in Santa Ana.


Thats the extent of what I found.

[Edited on 10-9-2006 by Bajamatic]