BajaNomad - How to deal with ''Caravans"

How to deal with ''Caravans"

Lee - 10-10-2006 at 03:18 PM

I have been fortunate in not being behind or in the middle of a caravan moving through Baja. I've usually been going the opposite direction.

Generally, I've seen these RVers spread out, then playing catch-up and going way too fast.

I've wondered, what's the best way to deal with a caravan if they're on the road and you are all going in the same direction? (I've seen some very long caravans!)

Go around -- passing one by one? Settle in and wait until they all pull over?

My first and only accident in Baja was a caravan going North, while I was heading South, and a 5th wheeler coming down a mountain, too fast, hugging the middle lane, clipped me (in an RV) taking out my driver side mirror. He didn't stop and I pulled over in St. Ignacio shaken.

So, any experience out there? I know caravans serve a purpose. I still think they are dangerous.

:cool:

Bajamatic - 10-10-2006 at 03:21 PM

someone claimed to have been able to use a CB to talk to the caravaners and work their way around.

vgabndo - 10-10-2006 at 04:07 PM

That would be me. It used to be that the caravans were on Ch. 13. When I got into the middle of them, I raised someone on the radio and they let the leader know that there was someone trying to get through. The leader would radio back that a "Red Dodge with a white camper" had just passed and no one else was in sight. They'd keep giving the all clear, and when the Dodge passed me, I'd haul butt. I passed on hills and on blind curves and had a great old time. Every one was on the radio, so I could talk to each one by their caravan number from the sticker on the RV.

It felt very secure. When the leader reported an oncoming vehicle, I'd just tuck in and wait for my next chance at my "E ticket" ride.

Without the radio, I think I'd have stopped for a long lunch and a siesta.

[Edited on 10-10-2006 by vgabndo]

Bruce R Leech - 10-10-2006 at 05:11 PM

if I come up behind a long one I just pull over and study the situation take a brake and figure out where the next Pemex is and start just in time to meet them there you can wiz by while they are gassing up. know the road and don't be in a hurry. there are few things more dangerous than trying to pass some of those people that cant even keep it in there lane on a wide strait interstate highway.

Al G - 10-10-2006 at 05:13 PM

I will be in a Motorhome so they will tell to stay inline :mad:

Al G - 10-10-2006 at 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
if I come up behind a long one I just pull over and study the situation take a brake and figure out where the next Pemex is and start just in time to meet them there you can wiz by while they are gassing up. know the road and don't be in a hurry. there are few things more dangerous than trying to pass some of those people that cant even keep it in there lane on a wide strait interstate highway.

Bruce ... you are right, but it is worse then you think. Almost every day I have to go out and help someone park in My MH park. They are a major distraction when they are trying to park, so after a while I go out and give direction and sometimes that dose not work so I ask them to let me park it for them. Most are very relived and then I can show them basic pointers.
The biggest problem on the road is they do not know how to center their RV in a lane. I am surprised that most of them don't end up in the ditch.

Bruce R Leech - 10-10-2006 at 06:12 PM

I was asked years ago to wagon master for a Major travel club and I ran screaming into the desert. those guys earn every cent they git. it is absolutely amazing what they put up with.
I really think they should have an obstacle coarse to run them through to see if they are capable of driving there rig before they give them a spacial license to drive them. I had a class 1 license for 35 years and it isn't easy to get one . but they are aloud to drive rigs 60 feet and larger with a car license.

Al G - 10-10-2006 at 07:11 PM

Again I agree, there should be a special license. The RV lobby has a lot to do with that. It will take some big event with major amount deaths to get it changed. At some point someone will think of suing the wagon Master and company for allowing incompetent MH drivers. A competence's license (or certified school license) is not to much to ask.
It cracks me up when an RV dealer will teach a new first time RV owner to dump the tanks, but won't ask if they have ever driven something this large. My neighbors bought a new MH and Larry pulled out of the dealer, went a short distance and freaked out. His wife Had to drive the RV home. One of the ones I had to guide in. She really did great, but would not want to meet her on the Highway.

Baja&Back - 10-10-2006 at 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
Again I agree, there should be a special license. The RV lobby has a lot to do with that. It will take some big event with major amount deaths to get it changed. At some point someone will think of suing the wagon Master and company for allowing incompetent MH drivers. A competence's license (or certified school license) is not to much to ask.

I agree with Al. A driver of a 40'+ coach should have a Class 2 with Air licence like any trucker or bus driver must. But, California should be the national leader in requiring proper training and licensing, rather than allowing 45 footers to drive off an RV lot just because the new owner has a big checkbook. Write your legislators!!

If you come up behind a Baja and Back caravan, try CB channel 22, or toot & wave friendly-like. We will use our radios to try & get you thru our line, with apologies.

If any of you guys ever have a problem with any of our staff or guests, please U2U or email me - barry "AT" bajaandback "DOT" com. :yes:

[Edited on 10-11-2006 by Baja&Back]

Al G - 10-10-2006 at 08:22 PM

I realize that your income is at stake here. I also wish I could stop my fingers from typing this. Your play on words will not work. We both know the problem has nothing to do with the people in the 40 to 45 foot group. The problem is in the 28' to 38' group. Half of these people are incompetent to drive a car, and just barely get by. They crash every day here in the bay area. I see everyday 28'er that drive with right side tires over the white line constantly.
You will argue, but anything over 12,000# should be a spacial license..

Baja&Back

bajadogs - 10-10-2006 at 08:42 PM

Last November '05 we ended up behind a 15 or so RV caravan heading south of El Rosario. I'm in a Dodge Ram P/U 1500 360 with a light load. I could tell that the "RV pilots" were communicating with each other and giving me the left-signal, letting me know it was clear. It didn't take more than a few minutes to see your leader's friendly wave in my side mirrors. I hope he noticed my wave of appreciation.

If that was you - THANK YOU!! Maybe we'll see you again next month.

bancoduo - 10-10-2006 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
I realize that your income is at stake here. I also wish I could stop my fingers from typing this. Your play on words will not work. We both know the problem has nothing to do with the people in the 40 to 45 foot group. The problem is in the 28' to 38' group. Half of these people are incompetent to drive a car, and just barely get by. They crash every day here in the bay area. I see everyday 28'er that drive with right side tires over the white line constantly.
You will argue, but anything over 12,000# should be a spacial license..

What is the difference between the 28' to 38' group and the 40' to 45' group? What about the 39' group? :?:

chino - 10-10-2006 at 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
So, any experience out there? I know caravans serve a purpose. I still think they are dangerous.

Sounds like we are stuck with them, it is a frustrating situation, maybe if folks were not so scared they could spread out a bit or run in smaller groups, the problems dont stop either when they reach their destination.
I will continue to drive during evening hours and at nite, they seem to be mothered up during these times, Good luck

[Edited on 10-11-2006 by chino]

[Edited on 10-11-2006 by chino]

Al G - 10-10-2006 at 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by bancoduo

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What is the difference between the 28' to 38' group and the 40' to 45' group? What about the 39' group? :?:

First 28'-38' are relatively cheap. Used ones can be had under 10K. People buy on the spur of minute. Most would never admit they had never driven one.
The 40' to 45' group, at a half mil up to 3 million dollars each tend to plan and at least take a safety course. This (safety course)is what Caravan company's should require. California has rules about this group. If I end up damaged by a caravan member, I will insist My insurance company go after the Company. Believe me I will do like wise if I am injured.
39'?...There are not many of these if any, unless things have changed lately. Most RV's do not come in odd footage.

Get a CB radio and establish communications with the caravan

Lee - 10-11-2006 at 12:26 PM

Channel 13 or 23 might work on a CB radio. It helps to have a scanner feature if no one comes up on these channels. The last RV (tailgunner) might have their channel posted on the back of the RV.

Just be careful as passing these RVs will involve both you and them getting off the center of the road, and close (too close) to the edge of the road. If there's no shoulder, but a drop off, I'm not sure I'd personally be passing.

You can assume that these folks are new to Baja (or not) and are as nervous as you are about passing.

:cool:

shari - 10-11-2006 at 12:59 PM

I think there should be a law to limit the number of large
RV's in a caravan. These caravans reek havoc in baja...I have experienced more than one gas shortage after a caravan goes through and sucks up the last of the gas. For safety sake there should be a limit to say 5 rigs travelling together at a time with a space of a half hour or something like that in between to give folks a chance to pass safely. They are a real pain and a deadly threat to other baja drivers. I understand their desire for safety in numbers, but can't they travel in smaller groups?

Cypress - 10-11-2006 at 01:36 PM

Shari and bancoduo are on the right track on this issue. :bounce:

shari - 10-11-2006 at 01:52 PM

You can bet not many mexicanos have a CB radio as this is a safety issue for all, not just tourists..

Al G - 10-11-2006 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Shari and bancoduo are on the right track on this issue. :bounce:

Don't understand, what did bancoduo say that you concluded he was on the right track??? :?:

He, like you only speak in one liners.
I have never replied to him before, but this is the first time his question seemed relevant.
I took the opportunity to give a little encouragement.
Still I see nothing that is "on the right track"
Hopefully you can explain, but again, sorry I cannot see it.

I handle them like Vagabundo does----

Barry A. - 10-11-2006 at 02:35 PM

------find their freq. on the CB and let them talk me around if they sound competant. When I as leader of my little group get around the caravan, then I can talk all my amigos around it using the same technique-----------works slick for me.

We use this same technique for passing lone semi's in mountainous terraign----i.e. the leader gets around the truck and then talks all his buddies around the truck using the CB.

For God's sake, make sure you are talking to the RIGHT caravan------I had that happen one time----wrong caravan----very embarrassing, and potentially VERY dangerous.

Cypress - 10-11-2006 at 02:42 PM

Al G.

Was just thinking about trying to pass a bunch of slow moving RV's. No harm meant. Have followed a caravan or two for more miles than I care to remember. One liners are better than paragraphs, saves time and space. I bet that shari, bancouda, you and me would have a good time together. :biggrin:

Diver - 10-11-2006 at 02:54 PM

I like to shoot out their tires and watch them peel off the road - out of control !

(I know this is what some of you wanted to say but for political correctness. Where is the Nomad with the rifle in his avatar when you need him anyway?)
:lol:

Diver - 10-11-2006 at 02:56 PM

Actually, when in Baja, we are on Baja time. I rarely get caught behind them. Little things like getting out of the Pemex before them helps when you can.

If we get stuck behind a slow one we either slow down or maybe it's a good time to let the kids and dogs out for a walk ??
.

Diver - 10-11-2006 at 02:59 PM

Anyone tried a few well-placed hand-made road signs ??

Maybe a sign that says "ALL CARAVANS MUST EXIST HERE !!" placed at a few dirt side roads along the highway. Maybe catch a few until they get wise ?? :lol:

my tactic

Bajamatic - 10-11-2006 at 04:24 PM

I did some field recordings of a mexican 16 wheelers downshifting and to get around caravans I just pull in tight behind the RV in front of me and blast that sound from my roof mounted speaker and 100,000 watt amp. Seems to work.

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Al G - 10-11-2006 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
I did some field recordings of a mexican 16 wheelers downshifting and to get around caravans I just pull in tight behind the RV in front of me and blast that sound from my roof mounted speaker and 100,000 watt amp. Seems to work.

I think you have something here!!
I am sure they would have to pull over to change their shorts. :lol:

How to deal with ''Caravans" ?

Skipjack Joe - 10-11-2006 at 05:17 PM

The scene from "Easy Rider" comes to mind.

Al G - 10-11-2006 at 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The scene from "Easy Rider" comes to mind.

Darn, that was a long time ago and don't remember the scene. Help

Skipjack Joe - 10-11-2006 at 05:34 PM

Some redneck blows our heros off the road with a shotgun.

Skeet/Loreto - 10-11-2006 at 07:38 PM

When Caravans first started, CB Radios were not Allowed in Baja;
Later when they were Legal I always found that Communication on their Channels was the Safest/ Fastest way to get Around.

The most dangerous Drivers that I have observed in my many Trips, has been the Young, Hurry up,DOPED UP, Characters trying to Intimdate others Drivers with Their Large Set up High 4 Wheel Monsters with Large Lights mounted every Where possible. The same as the TailGateing,Lane Changing, Left-lane only Drivers, over the Speed Limits Nuts , that you see in the States, Every DAy!!!

Al G - 10-11-2006 at 07:53 PM

Skeet... I know you are in Texas, but it sounds like you are describing San Francisco Bay area. The real big danger here is cell phone and the attitude "I gotta to be in front of you even if it cost me my life"

Frank - 10-11-2006 at 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

The most dangerous Drivers that I have observed in my many Trips, has been the Young, Hurry up,DOPED UP, Characters trying to Intimdate others Drivers with Their Large Set up High 4 Wheel Monsters with Large Lights mounted every Where possible. The same as the TailGateing,Lane Changing, Left-lane only Drivers, over the Speed Limits Nuts , that you see in the States, Every DAy!!!

Ok, Im not that young, Im never doped up and dont tailgate. You did just describe me :biggrin:

I wonder how many guys like me there are on the board? Should I ask?

Seriously Im trying to slow down, but when youve been a hamster on a wheel its hard to stop, atleast until I hit Santa Rosalia.

Don Alley - 10-12-2006 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Some redneck blows our heros off the road with a shotgun.

I like RPGs They solve most problems. :biggrin:

comitan - 10-12-2006 at 09:10 AM

Frank

I haven't slowed down yet, but trying, can't teach old dogs new tricks.

As always

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 10:10 AM

back to the old man gripe.

note- i have omitted the first part of this quote because it is irrelevant to my point, and has no impact on the meaning of the following quote:

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Here's a stat for you skeet:

"The study found that when 18- to 25-year-olds were placed in a driving simulator and talked on a cellular phone, they reacted to brake lights from a car in front of them as slowly as 65- to 74-year-olds who were not using a cell phone. "

from http://www.physorg.com/news2941.html.

It clearly says that a young driver has to be distracted by a cell phone to be as bad at operating a vehicle then a person 65 to 75 years old. thought you might be interested in that.

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 10:17 AM

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Ok, Im not that young, Im never doped up and dont tailgate. You did just describe me :biggrin:

I wonder how many guys like me there are on the board? Should I ask?

Seriously Im trying to slow down, but when youve been a hamster on a wheel its hard to stop, atleast until I hit Santa Rosalia.

Frank...I am probably the same as you. If the limit is 65 I do 70. So I don't consider myself an old man in the way. The secret as I see it is developing a desire to be comfortable. There are so many bad driver in this area, it is hard to be comfortable. It became a desire....I started with letting people in line in front of me. SF Bay Area drivers don't use signals(People will make sure you cannot change lane if you do) You should see their face when I anticipate their need and let them in. You always get a good response. Still the only real time I can drive comfortable is doing 56-58 in my Motorhome. For some reason crowded highways seem less crowded. You have heard me rant about the skill level of caravaner's, because they scare me. Well I am not going to drive over the limit of my Motorhome, but will do what I can to not be a hindrance. I would not feel bad if i was stuck behind a caravan, because MH passing MH is not a good ideal. That is why I make myself confortable.

Cypress - 10-12-2006 at 10:17 AM

Bajamatic! :spingrin:

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
back to the old man gripe.

note- i have omitted the first part of this quote because it is irrelevant to my point, and has no impact on the meaning of the following quote:

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Just like a YOUNG and DUMMER....you conveniently side step the fact That your super dangerous group have accidents 5 to 1. You pay twice the insurence as we do for a very good reason. If not for your group the death rate for driving would almost be nil.

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 10:28 AM

please show me that data Al.

EDIT

Actually, I dont doubt that. My point was more that you old guys don't have the best record either. My demo (being over 30) has a much better history then both of you, and I still have the reflexes to avoid both of you, so I really dont care.

[Edited on 10-12-2006 by Bajamatic]

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 10:37 AM

I don't have to, because you know it is true. the Exactnumbers might be inaccurate, but again you know it is true. That group's driving skills suck. Do you have any idea how many teenagers die every day!!! Look it up yourself, while you still know it all.

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
please show me that data Al.

EDIT

Actually, I dint doubt that. My point was more that you old guys don't have the best record either. My demo (being over 30) has a much better history then both of you, and I still have the reflexes to avoid both of you, so I really dint care.

[Edited on 10-12-2006 by Gametic]

Now you conveniently change the parameters.
:lol:

Every study...

bigzaggin - 10-12-2006 at 10:52 AM

has a counter-study...every point, a counterpoint. Driving or not, the subtext here is: Who sucks more in Baja - Ubermacho teenage white-t hooligans in cartoonish 4x4s & wraparound shades OR crotchety 50+ Baja "vets" scowling their way to BOLA at 25mph, mumbling "it's not like it used to be" all the way down?

Tough question. No easy answer. I suppose that's why I'm happy to be 33...I'm no longer a raging marooon with some invincibility complex and not yet a bitter curmudgeon b-tching about progress and the destruction of "my" Baja.

Cypress - 10-12-2006 at 11:04 AM

We'll all be elderly drivers if we keep on living. :bounce:

Never been much of a caravan person.

Each to his own!

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by bigzaggin
has a counter-study...every point, a counterpoint. Driving or not, the subtext here is: Who sucks more in Baja - Ubermacho teenage white-t hooligans in cartoonish 4x4s & wraparound shades OR crotchety 50+ Baja "vets" scowling their way to BOLA at 25mph, mumbling "it's not like it used to be" all the way down?

Tough question. No easy answer. I suppose that's why I'm happy to be 33...I'm no longer a raging marooon with some invincibility complex and not yet a bitter curmudgeon b-tching about progress and the destruction of "my" Baja.

I do not agree with some numbers and attitudes, but in general your statement has merit. Putting yourself in the best light is silly though but usually unavoidable.

THE VERDICT IS IN....

bigzaggin - 10-12-2006 at 11:12 AM

"your statement has merit"

YES! VINDICATED BY AL G!!!!!!!!!

My business is done here.

Ahhhhh yes---33 years old-----

Barry A. - 10-12-2006 at 11:47 AM

----not yet a curmudgeon, but no longer a wild and crazy guy. This is the exact age that we have to watch out for------very unpredictable-------never know what they will do next----- :lol:

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 11:49 AM

interesting enough, the demographic most likely to be drunk while driving. Next time you see us driving slightly faster then the old guys, and ok with being passed by the young guys, know we are probably tanked.

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
interesting enough, the demographic most likely to be drunk while driving. Next time you see us driving slightly faster then the old guys, and ok with being passed by the young guys, know we are probably tanked.

Although I had a Limit to how drunk, when I look back to my era in that demographic, I was very lucky and it scares the hell out of me now.

Frank - 10-12-2006 at 11:59 AM

Great thread BTW

comitan - 10-12-2006 at 12:21 PM

Al

Heres your support:

Nationwide, young drivers (16-20 years-old) make up six percent of the driving
population yet they are involved in nearly twenty percent of all fatal motor vehicle
crashes. “In 2003 alone, young drivers were involved in 8,455 fatal crashes. Tragically,
many of these fatalities and serious injuries could have been prevented,” according to Dr.
Thomas Esposito, Co–Chairperson of END and Director of Loyola University Medical
Center’s Injury Analysis and Prevention Program.
“Youth-related driving fatalities are an epidemic in the United States. Nearly one
out of every five traffic fatalities involves a driver between the age of 16 and 20 years
old. Young drivers, their passengers and passengers in other vehicles are dying
needlessly because many young motorists are not given proper guidance, or when
unsupervised, choose to participate in unsafe driving behavior during their early driving
experience,” he said.

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 12:35 PM

Ok. The kids win, you get a close second.

I thought this might help us further asses our individual driving abilities, and wether or not we are hazards on the road. Al, be honest now.

(partial list taken from http://www.la4seniors.com/driving.htm)

"Warning Signs of Unsafe Driving
This Section is Published Through the Courtesy of Vicki L. Schmall, Ph.D.

Behavior that may indicate a person's driving threatens personal safety and that of others includes:

Fails to appreciate the frustration, exasperation, or irritation exhibited by other drivers toward his or her driving.
Gets lost in familiar places.
Drives against traffic, on the wrong side of the road (definite danger).
Has difficulty seeing pedestrians, objects, and other vehicles.
Backs up after missing an exit (definite danger).
Falls asleep while driving or gets drowsy."

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 12:59 PM

Bajamatic...I do believe you have a fixation on people over 50. You really need to get a grip.
Your link goes to a Seniors page for caregivers and families of the elderly. I would say you are despicable, but I understand you are desperate.
If you are under the impression everybody over 50 is elderly,
I am here to tell you that you need to broaden you awareness of your fellow man.
My reaction time is as good as yours and maybe better. I do think they have weaken some since my NASCAR days, but still willing to meet you at Sears Point, as it is only a small fee to make a couple laps.

comitan - 10-12-2006 at 02:42 PM

I really think it has to do with attitude, Like if you have driven fast, agressive, alert all of your life as you get older your reflexas with reflect that, I'm sure its that way with me and Al and others. Some of us just do not accept old age!!! When I'm playing games on the comuter my challenge is not just winning but also playing fast!
Also ex racer but with left and right hand turns yes I know Al Sears Point.

[Edited on 10-12-2006 by comitan]

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 03:06 PM

Two elderly women were out driving in a large car --both could barely see over the dashboard. As they were cruising along they came to an intersection. The stoplight was red but they just went on through. The woman in the passenger seat thought to herself "I must be losin it, I could have sworn we just went through a red light". After a few more minutes they came to another intersection and the light was red again and again they went right though. This time the woman in the passenger seat was almost sure that the light had been red but was really concerned that she was losing it. She was was getting nervous and decided to pay very close attention to the road and the next intersection to see what was going on. At the next intersection, sure enough, the light was definitely red and they went right through and she turned to the other woman and said, "Mildred! Did you know we just ran through three red lights in a row! You could have killed us! Mildred turned to her and said "Oh S#!T, am I driving?"

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 03:43 PM

If you can take what I said to you in my last post. I can laugh at your Joke:lol
The strange thing is alot of my friends (my age) are sending these to me.
Everyone laughs because they know that it really doesn't apply to them yet.
I just talked to a younger friend of mine, of course he has fell off the "elderly cliff" that you seem to think exist.
A month ago he bought a $100,000.00 Correa 4+ Porsche (?) and ask if would evaluate it at Infineon Raceway (Sears Point)
I told him of this discussion and to my surprise He is thinks we could work it for me to give you a lap, but is insisting on putting a plastic bag over the passenger seat. Also suggested you bring a fresh set of underwear. Also if you puke you have to pay for detailing the car.
:lol:

If that does not work, a dirt stock car owner I sponsor is sure to help. He wanted me to run it in Chowchilla anyway. We would just have to mount a passenger seat. We could skip the plastic bag then, but you would have to clean up.
:lol:

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 03:59 PM

Arrogance is like a kingdom without a crown.

BUT - I will take you up on your offer under 2 conditions. One, I get to drive too, and 2, you have to paddle out to O.B. with me when its 10ft plus, and you have to take off on a wave.

comitan - 10-12-2006 at 04:07 PM

I think the ant is trying to move the ox but he'll just get a hernia.

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
Arrogance is like a kingdom without a crown.

BUT - I will take you up on your offer under 2 conditions. One, I get to drive too, and 2, you have to paddle out to O.B. with me when its 10ft plus, and you have to take off on a wave.

Neither condition is possiable.
No one is going to let you drive a race car without racing experience. Schools for a fee will. It is a lot farther over your head then you think. I understand, I thuoght the same way when I bought my first Stock car.
I would not try to surf in 10' surf without experience, maybe the only differance in us...Knowing when We are over our heads.
The thing I seem to see though is your are admitting we are equal, a 62 and a 30 something............. :cool:

Bruce R Leech - 10-12-2006 at 04:33 PM

I am 57 years old and I should not be aloud to drive. I Fail to appreciate the frustration, exasperation, or irritation exhibited by other drivers toward my driving.

I Get lost in familiar places. I cant even find any familiar places.

I Drive against traffic, on the wrong side of the road because it is easer to make left turns

I have difficulty seeing pedestrians, objects, and other vehicles.

I Back up after missing an exit (definite danger).in fact I back up when I don't miss anything.

I Fall asleep while driving or gets drowsy."

and usually when and if I get to where I am going I cant remember why I came or where from. in fact I don't even know who I am and who are all these people.

can any one tell me how to get home ?

[Edited on 10-12-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I am 57 years old and I should not be aloud to drive. I Fail to appreciate the frustration, exasperation, or irritation exhibited by other drivers toward my driving.

I Get lost in familiar places.

I Drive against traffic, on the wrong side of the road (definite danger).

I have difficulty seeing pedestrians, objects, and other vehicles.

I Back up after missing an exit (definite danger).in fact I back up when I don't miss anything.

I Fall asleep while driving or gets drowsy."

and usually when and if I get to where I am going I cant remember why I came or where from. in fact I don't even know who I am and who are all these people.

can any one tell me how to get home ?

Damn it Bruce, You are not suppose to admit it!!
:lol:

Especially the memory part

Sure, I can...

bigzaggin - 10-12-2006 at 04:35 PM

where do you live? :lol:

Bajamatic - 10-12-2006 at 04:35 PM

I'm glad someone saw the humor there......

bancoduo - 10-12-2006 at 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I am 57 years old and I should not be aloud to drive. I Fail to appreciate the frustration, exasperation, or irritation exhibited by other drivers toward my driving.

I Get lost in familiar places. I cant even find any familiar places.

I Drive against traffic, on the wrong side of the road because it is easer to make left turns

I have difficulty seeing pedestrians, objects, and other vehicles.

I Back up after missing an exit (definite danger).in fact I back up when I don't miss anything.

I Fall asleep while driving or gets drowsy."

and usually when and if I get to where I am going I cant remember why I came or where from. in fact I don't even know who I am and who are all these people.

can any one tell me how to get home ?

[Edited on 10-12-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

Your problem is you don't drink before you drive. :lol:

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 04:37 PM

Man...I gotta go buy some beer to keep this up
:lol:

I'll be back

Bruce R Leech - 10-12-2006 at 04:55 PM

who are you people and why am I here?

where is Here anyway?

bancoduo - 10-12-2006 at 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
who are you people and why am I here?

where is Here anyway?

You should run for president. :lol:

shari - 10-12-2006 at 05:24 PM

So way back when this thread was about caravans, I was trying to get the point across that many times on this thread it's only the tourists that are thought about and mostly the locals are ignored...I'm trying to say that while you think it's easy to go out and buy a CB radio etc. most locals can't do that but it's the locals who have to deal with the darn dangerous and downright bothersome caravans. It's great you who are on baja time and not in a hurry but lots of local people have to get to a doctors appointment in Sta.Rosalia or Guerrero Negro and don't really want to waste an hour trying to pass a crapload of RV's and believe me they get kinda peeed when they pull up to the pumps and no gas is left. I truly think there should be some regulating as to size of convoys.

Huh?

bigzaggin - 10-12-2006 at 05:40 PM

What do mean Mexicans can't afford CBs? They are bursting with disposable income. Hello! They fish for lobster! Lobster is like, $20 a pound! You figure a CB is like, $100...that's what, 2 or 3 (small) lobsters! Meanwhile, I'm working my tushy off in California to pay rent and score a new iPod.

Am I the ONLY PERSON on this site who really knows Baja???!!!!! Jeez!

Bruce R Leech - 10-12-2006 at 05:49 PM

I had 3 good CBs for sale cheep for 3 years and finally I put all of them in one bundle for 100 pesos and still no takers finally I gave them away and the person still did not want them. no one uses them here they all want 2 meters or VHF. :lol:

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 05:52 PM

Big Zag... Your starting to score fewer and fewer points.
There may be a few as you describe, but very few.
I do not know you well, but your claimto (edit)Know) Baja, is on shaky ground to the point of unbelievable.
I will admit I do not know Baja well.

[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Al G]

HOLY CRAP!!!

bigzaggin - 10-12-2006 at 06:15 PM

Maybe I really need to start using those smiley icons more, as if to say, "I AM KIDDING." Wow, this place does irony like Baja does Vietnamese food.

Anyway, I'm no Baja-ologist - and certainly can't ID a pile of stones as Mission #72 David K style - but I understand that the people of Baja are short on pesos and was, in fact, JOKING when I said catching a few lobsters could pay for a CB and joking (http://webster.com/dictionary/joke) when I suggested they have an abundance of disposable cash.

Also, the lunar landing was not faked on earth.

Don Alley - 10-12-2006 at 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigzaggin
Maybe I really need to start using those smiley icons more, as if to say, "I AM KIDDING." Wow, this place does irony like Baja does Vietnamese food.

Yeah, you gotta use the icons. I knew you were joking, but I've read more outrageous stuff here from people who were NOT kidding. :biggrin:

Now if somehow we could just toss some of the lobsters out on the roadside in front of the caravans, they might stop and pull over. I think I'll work on a rocket-propelled lobster grenade.

(Notice the last statement had no icons. So I'm serious about that part). Really. Yes.

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 06:41 PM

" I think I'll work on a rocket-propelled lobster grenade. "
:lol:

What?

bigzaggin - 10-12-2006 at 06:48 PM

a "rocket propelled lobster grenade?" Even if you COULD make such a device (which you CAN'T), I seriously doubt it would have any effect in stopping large RV caravans. At best, maybe one would pull over, at WORST you could seriously injure a driver and - possibly - cause a very dangerous pile-up.

You must not know a single thing about Baja.

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 06:53 PM

You forgot the :lol:

Al G - 10-12-2006 at 06:56 PM

And I forgot to say shoot a langusta at me and see how fast I stop..............................Bang you rearended me didn't you!
:lol:

Baja&Back - 10-12-2006 at 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I had 3 good CBs for sale cheep for 3 years and finally I put all of them in one bundle for 100 pesos and still no takers finally I gave them away and the person still did not want them. no one uses them here they all want 2 meters or VHF. :lol:

You shoulda tried the truckers, Bruce. Half of them run CBs. We talk to them all the time when they want to get by our caravans.
Heck, even the dock workers at the La Paz ferry dock use CBs instead of VHFs.
:yes:

Skipjack Joe - 10-13-2006 at 09:33 AM

Yeah, those caravans are antiquated, for sure. Thirty years ago travelers would drive down in groups in case of a breakdown and help one another out. We were all encouraged to bring just about every spare vehicle part, "just in case". But now baja has far more services and there is really no reason for them (caravans, that is).

Travelling with friends doesn't really mean you need to caravan.

Al G - 10-13-2006 at 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Baja&Back

Quote:

Is there other means of contact besides CB?
Also thanks for the u2u. It is reassuring to know all of the caravan industry understands our concerns and are working on solutions. I think Shari's concerns are of great importance. A backlash by the locals could affect all of us as we will be lumped together as Americans

Baja&Back - 10-13-2006 at 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
So way back when this thread was about caravans, I was trying to get the point across that many times on this thread it's only the tourists that are thought about and mostly the locals are ignored...I'm trying to say that while you think it's easy to go out and buy a CB radio etc. most locals can't do that but it's the locals who have to deal with the darn dangerous and downright bothersome caravans. It's great you who are on baja time and not in a hurry but lots of local people have to get to a doctors appointment in Sta.Rosalia or Guerrero Negro and don't really want to waste an hour trying to pass a crapload of RV's and believe me they get kinda peeed when they pull up to the pumps and no gas is left. I truly think there should be some regulating as to size of convoys.

Shari, you may not have noticed yet, but there is regulation - self regulation.

The caravan industry knows how you & many others feel & all the operators are taking steps now to minimize their local impact. We aren't stupid. The big companies are, since last season, splitting up their caravans into 2 or 3 sections, leaving hours apart. You wont likely see lumbering strings of 25 or 30 rigs on Mex 1 anymore. They are planning fuel stops at truckstop Pemexes in larger towns. People like BajaCactus are planning ahead for us. (Hey, Antonio U2U me & I will send you our schedule!)

We have always limited our caravans to 15 guests. I currently have a waiting list, but won't tack on more rigs because I care as much about Baja & it's future as I care about my pocketbook.

I have a list of every pullout big enough for 15 rigs from TJ to Cabo & we use them frequently to let ABC buses & truckers by. This is a priority with us.

We, a small company, inject close to $100K into the local economy each year. We encourage our guests to buy from beach vendors, shop in local markets, go out to supper & shell out for every side activity we can find. Your Don Martin & the BJ Ejido benefit from our coming thru GN. We strongly discourage guests from stocking up to the gunnels before leaving San Diego & spend the bucks down here instead.

So, you can imagine how many dollars the big companies bring to Baja & Mexico. Tourism is Mexico's 2nd largest industry.

More folks take caravans & rallies for the social aspect than out of fear. 2/3 of our guests say they would have vacationed at home rather than coming to Mexico if there were no caravans!

Will caravans go away? Not a chance. They are part of the same wave as Rosarito beach, Loreto Bay & Puerto Los Cabos. Unfortunately, Baja is changing with the rest of the world, but will always have more magic than anywhere else!
That's why you came - others will too.

Hope this helps foster a wee bit of understanding & beneficial coexistence.
Anybody have helpful suggestions for the caravan industry, other than "Go away", please contact me.
:yes:

[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Baja&Back]

[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Baja&Back]

shari - 10-13-2006 at 12:49 PM

Muchas gracias for your reply, I wish all caravans had the same self regulating morals...pulling over frequently is crucial here, even if all 15 can't pull off at once, maybe some could pull off in smaller pullouts and do it more often. I really appreciate that you are concerned for the busses and trucks but the normal traffic should be considered too. thanks again.

bajaguy - 10-13-2006 at 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigzaggin
a "rocket propelled lobster grenade?" Even if you COULD make such a device (which you CAN'T), I seriously doubt it would have any effect in stopping large RV caravans. At best, maybe one would pull over, at WORST you could seriously injure a driver and - possibly - cause a very dangerous pile-up.

You must not know a single thing about Baja.

Hey, ZagNut..

....I'll bet I can build a rocket propelled lobster grenade (RPLG), and it would be a hoot.

In JR High School, built lemon cannons, in High School, built potato mortars, and in the US Army was in Ordnance/EOD....so the question is.......who will supply the ammo?????.... :lol:

Al G - 10-13-2006 at 04:56 PM

Shari's Husband????

Bruce R Leech - 10-13-2006 at 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Baja&Back

Quote:

[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Baja&Back]

[Edited on 10-13-2006 by Baja&Back]

do you have any minim standards for age or driving skill for your caravans?

also I always had to have a current health cert. with regular physicals. a couple of years ago you may remember there was one caravan that had 3 hart attacks before they got to San Quintin.

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2006 at 08:00 PM

Seems like the solution is for caravan operators to direct their customers to drive alone instead of bunching together like a bunch of girls.
All the caravan operator need do is provide a sag wagon to drive the road at the end of the day.
Also, maybe the caravan operators should hand out sat phones and tell people to call when they get in trouble.
Finally, if they can't drive alone, maybe they shouldn't be driving there at all.
I'm a bit curious, what does it cost to join a caravan? Do people pay for the service?

longlegsinlapaz - 10-14-2006 at 09:27 PM

:mad:

"LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS"??? I don't suppose you'd care to expand on that one? :fire:

vandenberg - 10-15-2006 at 06:14 AM

LL.

Do we take this as you being of the female persuasion ? :spingrin:

longlegsinlapaz - 10-15-2006 at 06:57 AM

Vandenberg, you are a perceptive hombre! :bounce:

Bruce R Leech - 10-16-2006 at 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
:mad:

"LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS"??? I don't suppose you'd care to expand on that one? :fire:

LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS
similar to a group of young ladies :lol:

jimgrms - 10-16-2006 at 07:54 AM

Maybe if they opened more ladies bars along the road we wouldn't mind the caravans so much, or the caravaners would stop there and let us pass :light:

Diver - 10-16-2006 at 08:05 AM

No bars needed;

Just a "FREE BLOOD PRESSURE CHECK" sign in front of any building. :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 10-16-2006 at 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diver
No bars needed;

Just a "FREE BLOOD PRESSURE CHECK" sign in front of any building. :lol:

mtgoat666 - 10-16-2006 at 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
:mad:

"LIKE A BUNCH OF GIRLS"??? I don't suppose you'd care to expand on that one? :fire:

Like a bunch of young females.

Al G - 10-16-2006 at 08:19 PM

Hey Goat...I don't yhink you helped yourself. You missed the point.

jimgrms - 10-16-2006 at 08:47 PM

Goat you have stepped in it dude save your self appoligize :bounce:

viva geezerhood

[Edited on 10-17-2006 by jimgrms]

Bruce R Leech - 10-17-2006 at 06:13 AM

actually being bunched together with a bunch of girls doesn't sound that bad
:yes:

Cypress - 10-17-2006 at 12:54 PM

Caravans?

Why not load up in a bus? :wow:

vgabndo - 10-20-2006 at 04:58 PM

Was poking around on a link from a recent truck camper post and found one way to help get around a convoy. I think the set up came off a Southern Pacific Locomotive.

train horns.jpg - 16kB

Bruce R Leech - 10-20-2006 at 07:28 PM

vgabndo
can you post a sound bite of that