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jorgie - 10-31-2006 at 07:09 AM

Looking for two six volt golf cart batteries, could pick up on way south

Summanus - 10-31-2006 at 07:13 AM

jorgie, I will assume you are looking to buy new. I have found Sam's Club, Costco, or Walmart to be the easiest to shop/find and have the best prices on deep-cycle, 6-volt batteries.

Al G - 10-31-2006 at 03:39 PM

Not sure new or used, but I use 6 volt Interstate brand. In this category Deep cycle means little. Do not buy from Costco walMart and the like. They deal in deep cycle, but they are a cross breed with starting batteries. You can usually tell when you pick them up. If you can barely pick it up with both arms and your legs,(80-90#) you will know you have what you need.
They cost about $160.00 each at my local battery shop.
Now I have not checked Costco/WalMart lately.

comitan - 10-31-2006 at 03:46 PM

Al

I used to buy my golfcart 6volt batteries in Martinez, Close to freeway on right going into Martinez $50.00. Golfcart shop don't remember the name.

Al G - 10-31-2006 at 03:56 PM

Thanks comitan I will check it out, Now I do not know if I was ripped or just lazy. I replaced 2- 2 years ago and I have 2 other that are pushing gezzerhood. At $50 bucks I should replace some before this trip. Will let you know what I find out.

Summanus - 10-31-2006 at 04:12 PM

Exide 6-volt golf cart batteries at CostCo, Sam's Club, and Walmart are the same Exides as the ones you would buy at the Pro Shop...except for the marked-up price you pay at RV stores, marinas, or country clubs. I never shop at specialty shops for everyday items. I have had two Exides for three years now...recharging often...no problemo. They cost me about $50 each with my CostCo card. Guess we all have different experiences. Good luck with your purchases.

You can buy golf cart type batteries in San Jose del Cabo. 'Wahoo' something or other store, think, but there are probably many others...lots of golf courses nowadays.

BajaWarrior - 10-31-2006 at 04:19 PM

Trojan 6 volt T-105 amp deep cycle golf cart batteries can be purchased at all solar places including www.discoverpower.com in San Diego. I just called them and actually the prices for that battery has gone up dramatically. They are now $107 each. OUCH!! 4 years ago they were only $55 each if you bought over 10. They still have deals for over 10 and even better for 20.

They guy did say Interstate has a good 6 volt battery that is very comparable to the Trojan. They are near La Jolla right next to I-5

comitan - 10-31-2006 at 04:22 PM

The ones I bought at the golfcart shop were Trojan 105 good batteries. Nomads has a battery man I think in Manteca maybe he will get on. IMHO the Excide batteries they sell now are not the same as the old Excides which were good batteries.

Bruce R Leech - 10-31-2006 at 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
The ones I bought at the golfcart shop were Trojan 105 good batteries. Nomads has a battery man I think in Manteca maybe he will get on. IMHO the Excide batteries they sell now are not the same as the old Excides which were good batteries.

comitan the last Trojans I bought did not last one night :lol:

BajaWarrior - 10-31-2006 at 04:41 PM

Just got off the phone with the Interstate Battery people. They offer the U2200, identical in everyway to the Trojan except $35 less. Apparently the price of lead has quadrupled and all batteries across the board have seen an increase in price and will increase again soon.

I will be needing new batteries next fall and will be getting the Interstate and increasing my current 12 batteries to 16 batteries along with more panels.

comitan - 10-31-2006 at 04:48 PM

Outback solar has the trojan $96.00=shipping.

Al G - 10-31-2006 at 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
Not sure new or used, but I use 6 volt Interstate brand. In this category Deep cycle means little. Do not buy from Costco walMart and the like. They deal in deep cycle, but they are a cross breed with starting batteries. You can usually tell when you pick them up. If you can barely pick it up with both arms and your legs,(80-90#) you will know you have what you need.
They cost about $160.00 each at my local battery shop.
Now I have not checked Costco/WalMart lately.

OOPS...I found the invoice and it was $158.00 for a set of two

bajalou - 10-31-2006 at 04:53 PM

Costco Palm Springs and Calexico have the Trojan 105s for $61 each.

Al G - 10-31-2006 at 04:55 PM

I guess instead of checking my battery banks... I should pull my memory banks and check them

bajalou - 10-31-2006 at 04:58 PM

And Sams Yuma has the Exide equivalent for $61 also.

Al G - 10-31-2006 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by bajalou
Costco Palm Springs and Calexico have the Trojan 105s for $61 each.

Never used trojans...:lol ...are they 220 amp hrs.? 105s that is.

[Edited on 10-31-2006 by Al G]

toneart - 10-31-2006 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
comitan the last Trojans I bought did not last one night :lol:

So THAT's why Mulege is full of Leeches... :lol:

--Larry

Maybe there wasn't enough lead in them. Or maybe the pacemaker zapped all the juice out of them. Are they really intended to be used on golf carts? :lol:

comitan - 10-31-2006 at 05:05 PM

:lol:

FARASHA - 10-31-2006 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
comitan the last Trojans I bought did not last one night :lol:

So THAT's why Mulege is full of Leeches... :lol:

--Larry

Maybe there wasn't enough lead in them. Or maybe the pacemaker zapped all the juice out of them. Are they really intended to be used on golf carts? :lol:

NOW THIS are the funniest posts of today!!! :lol:

Summanus - 10-31-2006 at 05:11 PM

I bought Powerstrides (6-volt deep cycle) for my solar system in San Diego near the Sports Arena area. Got a great price on a bunch of them...any order over 6, I believe, will get you a discount. They are the same battery inside as the Trojan T-105's, just marketed under a different name...and cheaper.

Talk to these guys:

Powerstride Battery
3450 Kurtz St Ste B
San Diego, CA, 92110-4451

BajaWarrior - 10-31-2006 at 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Summanus
I bought Powerstrides (6-volt deep cycle) for my solar system in San Diego near the Sports Arena area. Got a great price on a bunch of them...any order over 6, I believe, will get you a discount. They are the same battery inside as the Trojan T-105's, just marketed under a different name...and cheaper.

Talk to these guys:

Powerstride Battery
3450 Kurtz St Ste B
San Diego, CA, 92110-4451

Yep, just talked to Powerstride, 10% price increase tomorrow as well. Good price for over 10 batteries, $68 each. Same as T-105 Trojan. These are U2200, Interstate had the same battery, $72 each.

Russ - 11-1-2006 at 06:30 AM

Sunbelt Batteries in Santi is a huge warehouse that handles Trojan. Last I looked they were on the Trojan web site. I've gone to L-16 for my solar system. But a lot of folks here use the 105's. I'm hoping that some of the new technology will help us with the cost of batteries but I'm not going to hold my breath. Don't forget to buy distilled water.

wornout - 11-1-2006 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
Sunbelt Batteries in Santi is a huge warehouse that handles Trojan. Last I looked they were on the Trojan web site. I've gone to L-16 for my solar system. But a lot of folks here use the 105's. I'm hoping that some of the new technology will help us with the cost of batteries but I'm not going to hold my breath. Don't forget to buy distilled water.

This is just an observation:

I have used L-16 at my home in San Felipe since 1997 and have replaced them once. If you only need 200 amps, then the smaller units are the way to go. If you need over 300 amps, get the L-16 or knock-off of the L-16.

The reason I do not use 105's is they go through water at least twice, maybe three times, the rate of an L-16. Both Bajalou and I do battery maintenance for quite a few neighbors in San Felipe and believe us, all the 105's we check use water at an accelerated rate.

wornout - 11-1-2006 at 09:17 AM

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This is just an observation:

I have used L-16 at my home in San Felipe since 1997 and have replaced them once. If you only need 200 amps, then the smaller units are the way to go. If you need over 300 amps, get the L-16 or L-17 knock-offs.

The reason I do not use 105's is they go through water at least twice, maybe three times, the rate of an L-16. Both Bajalou and I do battery maintenance for quite a few neighbors in San Felipe and believe us, all the 105's we check use water at an accelerated rate.

[Edited on 11-1-2006 by wornout]

BajaWarrior - 11-1-2006 at 10:16 AM

I'll give you that, the Trojans and other same group size batteries do blow through the water, just a cheaper up front cost for adequate power.

I am only maintaining my own batteries so it's not too big of a chore. But definatley fill them before leaving for the summer as I do.

Thanks for the reccomendation for the L-16's, I am replacing my bank next fall and will look into them.

Dave - 11-1-2006 at 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by wornout
The reason I do not use 105's is they go through water at least twice, maybe three times, the rate of an L-16. Both Bajalou and I do battery maintenance for quite a few neighbors in San Felipe and believe us, all the 105's we check use water at an accelerated rate.

You are comparing apples and oranges. There are a whole lot of variables at play but bottom line is that a 105 ain't near the same battery as a L-16.

How often are your neighbor's 105's regulated?

How deeply are they discharged?

You've got to baby them.

Al G - 11-1-2006 at 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
I'm hoping that some of the new technology will help us with the cost of batteries but I'm not going to hold my breath. Don't forget to buy distilled water.

This is sorta far fetched, but by the time you need to replace a new set of batteries, there is a good chance we will have solar powered fuel cells. The focus is on natural gas fired fuel cells, but many are working on other forms including solar. Maybe sooner then you think. I hope so , because I have a small stake in a couple companies.

jorgie - 11-2-2006 at 09:33 AM

Much thanks Nomads, great stuff, got me on the right track. I went to Trojans site.......how do you lift 128lbs ?? Sounds like they recommend the L16s.

Al G - 11-2-2006 at 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by jorgie
Much thanks Nomads, great stuff, got me on the right track. I went to Trojans site.......how do you lift 128lbs ?? Sounds like they recommend the L16s.

They are not for Girliee Men :lol:

BajaWarrior - 11-2-2006 at 10:02 AM

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That's what they said 14 years ago when I bought my first set of batteries, and again 9 years ago and again 3 years ago!

I'm still waiting for my flying car they said we would have in the near future back when I was a kid! :biggrin:

Al G - 11-2-2006 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior
This is sorta far fetched, but by the time you need to replace a new set of batteries, there is a good chance we will have solar powered fuel cells. The focus is on natural gas fired fuel cells, but many are working on other forms including solar. Maybe sooner then you think. I hope so , because I have a small stake in a couple companies.

OK where do I buy stocks for this Flying car :?:

Neal Johns - 11-2-2006 at 11:09 AM

Al G, I have 100 shares of Flying Car stock fresh off my inkjet that I will part with cheap. See me over dinner at the BajaCactus party Saturday (the check is on you).

Neal (Trust Me) Johns

wornout - 11-2-2006 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Al G

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Originally posted by Russ
I'm hoping that some of the new technology will help us with the cost of batteries but I'm not going to hold my breath. Don't forget to buy distilled water.

In 1998 when I retired from EPRI (Electric Power Research Institute) I went to the Generation and Storage Department for some advice about setting up a solar home. At that time, he had a fuel cell in his office, which came from Japan. The manager indicated is should be available in a couple of years. They were looking at the engineering and wanted to find someone who could produce them. That was 8 years ago. I went ahead and replaced my L-16's last spring as we are still waiting to see that technology marketed and I am sure some company purchased that technology such as Exxon, Chevron, Royal Dutch to keep it from coming to market.

Al G - 11-2-2006 at 06:52 PM

I follow the fuel cell industry on a weekly basis and I am aware of the slow pace. There are now 3-4 times the research companies and many time that the grants and investment money then there was 2 years ago. I know that does not mean alot, but there is more hope now.
Everyone knows what the fossil fuel industry does and they do not try to hide it anymore. My neighbor was a welding contractor in the Kansas area and work up north constructing ethanol plants. He told me as soon as the plant was ready to go on line it would be bought at twice it was worth and then the oil company would contract with him to dismantle it. That was his story and he is the one that got me into investing in alternate energy. Had a good run this year.

jorgie - 11-3-2006 at 03:03 AM

with the fuel cells, what is the connection and application to that which is presently fueled by batteries/solar power ?

Al G - 11-3-2006 at 06:47 AM

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with the fuel cells, what is the connection and application to that which is presently fueled by batteries/solar power ?

This is a tough subject to tackle before coffee.
Not to get to technical, but hydrogen fuel cell mix Hydrogen and oxygen and produce electric. There are fuel cell you can buy now for $800, but only produce a very low output and you have to buy tanks of hydrogen a lot like you would buy for gas power a BB gun. The big deal is using solar to manufacture Hydrogen.
Maybe this would be better:

nano.mtu.edu/HydrogenFuelCell_start.html

You will have to copy and paste in the address window, I think. or Google "Hydrogen Fuel Cell" and you will get millions of hits. You could read for a week :lol:

Russ - 11-3-2006 at 07:16 AM

There are fuel cells out there but as far as I can see they are used only for back up for hospitals and such. The stuff I read a couple of years ago said one unit the size of a refrigerator would power three homes. It had three removable propane tanks. But how to refuel them and service them? I haven't found any information. The cost was estimated around $15k per. Maybe ma�ana.

batteries and fuel cells

Summanus - 11-3-2006 at 07:30 AM

These are two sites that I have been reading and watching videos from while having my coffee....very interesting stuff:

http://www.knowledgepublications.com/

http://www.knowledgepublications.com/google_hydrogen_2_GW2H2...

bajalou - 11-3-2006 at 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
There are fuel cells out there but as far as I can see they are used only for back up for hospitals and such. The stuff I read a couple of years ago said one unit the size of a refrigerator would power three homes. It had three removable propane tanks. But how to refuel them and service them? I haven't found any information. The cost was estimated around $15k per. Maybe ma�ana.

For 3 families to share, that $15k isn't really too bad compared to setting up 3 good sized solar systems. Propane is avaliable in most areas without too much trouble.

Summanus - 11-3-2006 at 08:44 AM

At this point in time, I would still favor the solar-power system over a fuel-cell option. We are pretty trouble-free with ours. Just my preference to what I am familiar with at present.

I look forward to all the new technologies that are sure to come out after the upcoming elections. :smug:

Al G - 11-3-2006 at 08:58 AM

Summanus...Your are right, not time yet. Unless you have a waste source for hydrogen the dollars and cents don't add up. Early adopters will for experiment and deep pockets only. With what I know is happening now I still say 3-7 years.

wornout - 11-3-2006 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Summanus
At this point in time, I would still favor the solar-power system over a fuel-cell option. We are pretty trouble-free with ours. Just my preference to what I am familiar with at present.

I look forward to all the new technologies that are sure to come out after the upcoming elections. :smug:

I am happy with my solar system and have been for 8 years. But, the thought of Air Conditioning on the hot nights using a quiet fuel cell is always on my mind. We have a no noise after 10pm in San Felipe in the area we live so a generator, at night, is out.

jorgie - 11-3-2006 at 09:20 AM

Russ, can you find the article ? 15k sounds cheap if it is reliable. What size propane tanks were they showing ? This is good stuff....

Summanus - 11-3-2006 at 10:23 AM

jorgie, don't mean to butt in for Russ, but I found these fuel-cell sites for home-use on Google. That particular model and price might be amongst them.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&...

jorgie - 11-3-2006 at 10:56 AM

much thanks Summanus. Your not butting in, your helping, Baja Nomad stuff....

wornout - 11-3-2006 at 08:27 PM

In reading some of the results of the google search, I read about a unit that is in operation in Japan today. It is a 1kw system and runs on city gas. I believe this is the unit I saw before I retired from EPRI. They were looking at the technology back then in 1998 and Japan has them available commercially. COME ON PROPANE UNIT, I am ready!

Al G - 11-3-2006 at 08:45 PM

I question they are available in US/Mexico. If you find them and I do hope so, there is no difference in gas or propane except a jet. The exception maybe could be a fixed jet.