BajaNomad - Bad, bad news from amigo BajaCactus

Bad, bad news from amigo BajaCactus

BajaNomad - 11-11-2006 at 04:11 PM

I wish to be somewhat vague in details here in case there could be any potential safety issue. However think it's important right now that we are also sending out positive thoughts and prayers for our amigo BajaCactus and those close to him. They have suffered an absolutely devastating loss in the past day.

http://tinyurl.com/y3ljjh
(SignOnSanDiego article)

Please don't post any details of the news linked to above into this thread. Your cooperation and understanding is appreciated.

Regards,
--
Doug Means

[Edited on 11-11-2006 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 11-11-2006 at 05:19 PM

vgabndo - 11-11-2006 at 05:21 PM

:no:

Bajaboy - 11-11-2006 at 06:08 PM

Wow! This is terrible news. Our thoughts go out to the family.

Zac

bajamigo - 11-11-2006 at 06:09 PM

This is doubly tragic, since it strikes so close to home. The limits of tolerance for this kind of violence have been stretched to the point where I think it's time to declare martial law in Tijuana.

Loretana - 11-11-2006 at 06:15 PM

This is terrorism, pure and simple.
And "one degree of separation" for all of us.
A sad day in the Baja.

Bruce R Leech - 11-11-2006 at 06:37 PM

this has got to stop. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Antonio and the family

Diver - 11-11-2006 at 06:57 PM

Horrible news.
My deepest condolences to Antonio and his family.
My deepest anger to those involved.

.

bbbait - 11-11-2006 at 08:07 PM

Despicable, horrible, what other adjectives can we add? The worst ones apply here! The natives, gringos, no one is exempt...... inexcusable actions like these are not to be condoned........... JR, Mike H., help us out here......

awfulart - 11-12-2006 at 09:49 AM

This is the worst! Our prayers and thoughts are with the family. Drugs and drugs and more drugs are the scourge of Mexico and the U.S.

Sellers of this stuff are very bad people but users are just as responsible.

:mad:

DianaT - 11-12-2006 at 11:01 AM

So very sad. :no:

When will it stop.

Neal Johns - 11-12-2006 at 01:54 PM

Bad news, indeed.

JESSE - 11-12-2006 at 09:15 PM

Wow that was him? hope this war ends soon.

capt. mike - 11-13-2006 at 04:58 AM

so - what's the connection to "cactus"?
i guess i don't get it.

FARASHA - 11-13-2006 at 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by capt. mike
so - what's the connection to "cactus"?
i guess i don't get it.

Look up the thread AMAZING - more on info there!

I'm missing something too

sanfelipebob - 11-13-2006 at 06:58 AM

Could someone explain this ? Sorry

awfulart - 11-13-2006 at 07:04 AM

Because of what Doug said I sent him a U2U and asked him directly. It hits pretty close to home,. That is for BC

Mexitron - 11-13-2006 at 07:50 AM

My condolences to BajaCactus' family.

David K - 11-13-2006 at 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sanfelipebob
Could someone explain this ? Sorry

I tried to explain it in the thread by Baja Bernie intitled 'Amazing'... on the General forum.

elgatoloco - 11-13-2006 at 10:24 AM

:no:

John M - 11-21-2006 at 09:17 AM

I am so sorry to hear of your loss.

pappy - 11-22-2006 at 11:58 AM

my heart goes out to you and your family....

kellychapman - 11-22-2006 at 01:52 PM

makes me feel sick with sadness.......one of the main reason we relocated to Baja was due to the horrible things that take place in the US....but then it seems you can never excape such heart wrenching storines. I will have to check out he tread Amazing to become more clear on the entire story. My prayers and regards to the poor fajiou.

thebajarunner - 11-22-2006 at 03:15 PM

lo siento, amigo

David K - 11-22-2006 at 04:16 PM

We hope the pain eases with time for you Antonio and your family... You people are the best and should never had to endure this. Hector and Gerardo were GOOD men who generously helped others... I knew them both. May God protect you all...

QuePasaBaja - 11-26-2006 at 02:15 PM

This will not stop, as long as there is money involved. And as long as a judge or a cop will take a bribe, innocent people that are tyring to do thier job will die. People on the streets will die, and things will just get worse.

NO ONE in Baja that has any money, or connection to anyone in the local governments is safe so far.

Ken Cooke - 11-26-2006 at 09:27 PM

My condolences in this difficult time.

When will it stop?

Doug/Vamonos - 1-5-2007 at 12:21 PM

It will stop when people stop smoking pot and snorting, smoking or shooting cocaine. Every time you or a friend does it, you contribute to this killing. Doesn't matter if you are George W. or a fisherman hanging out at the beach in Baja. Every time I go to Baja, I see fellow campers and fisherman smoking pot. Every one of them I meet are nice people just having some fun and relaxing. Amazingly, most of them are decent, educated people with good careers at home. Sorry to say this, and I'm sure I'll pee off a lot of people, but every person who buys this crap contributes to these murders.

Lee - 1-5-2007 at 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
It will stop when people stop smoking pot and snorting, smoking or shooting cocaine. Every time you or a friend does it, you contribute to this killing. Doesn't matter if you are George W. or a fisherman hanging out at the beach in Baja. Every time I go to Baja, I see fellow campers and fisherman smoking pot. Every one of them I meet are nice people just having some fun and relaxing. Amazingly, most of them are decent, educated people with good careers at home. Sorry to say this, and I'm sure I'll pee off a lot of people, but every person who buys this crap contributes to these murders.

Your heart is in the right place. Blaming pot smokers though? Easy target, that's all. Next time, ask the pot smokers you see if they think their home grown (US or Baja) is part of the cartel chain.

:cool:

Doug/Vanomos------

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 01:34 PM

-------has it EXACTLY right-----it will not stop until people stop buying it--------period!!!!!! And those that do "buy" are a MAJOR part of the problem, and facilitate the killings.

That is the plain, hard truth, and no amount of making excuses will mitigate that "truth".

bajalou - 1-5-2007 at 01:35 PM

"Your heart is in the right place. Blaming pot smokers though? Easy target, that's all. Next time, ask the pot smokers you see if they think their home grown (US or Baja) is part of the cartel chain."

If there was no demand from users in the US why would they be taking it up there? Let's face it, as long as there is high demand in US and it's illegal, the cartels etc will fill that demand. Just like alcohol and Prohibition in the 20/30's.

David K - 1-5-2007 at 01:45 PM

Just a thought...

You have to ask yourself if people will stop using illegal drugs/pot...

The answer is no, there will always be a demand for pot and cocaine, etc.

Now the issue becomes the law.

Those items can only be obtained or used by violating the law.

As long as there are users, there will be suppliers... Now the suppliers have to be criminals... organized crime.

There is a libertarian answer: legalize the drugs which will take away the organized crime involvement. Sell that stuff the same places that sell the drug 'alcohol' (liquor stores)... more tax revenue, less crowded jails, cops can go after criminals that hurt people instead of jailing people that only hurt themselves... Alcohol was illegal for a time... remember how successful that was?

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 01:50 PM

Of course you are right, David, but until it is legalized I stand by my statement.

The issues involved in "legalizing" it are (almost ?) unresolvable--------it will take the Legislature to "just do it" before anything positive will happen. Think they have the "guts" to do that?????????????

Has not happened yet, as far as I know.

Drugs and Druggies

MrBillM - 1-5-2007 at 01:50 PM

Regardless of the economic effects of marketing and distributing illicit drugs, there is the deleterious effect on society from the usage of said narcotics, including Marijuana.

Having lived a good portion of my younger adulthood down on the Beach, I was constantly in the company of others who smoked Marijuana, used LSD and Meth. Although Marijuana is the least injurious of the bunch, it still resulted in a significant detachment from reality exhibited by the participants, including long, rambling discourses which they along with other participants seemed to find truly profound, but was actually a bunch of nonsensical jibberish and/or the belief that they could accomplish some outstanding act (such as flying) in disregard of the laws of Physics. I remember one such friend having to be restrained because he Thought he could fly from the Third-Story window of the house.

Drugs are a menace to society for a multitude of reasons.

bancoduo - 1-5-2007 at 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
Regardless of the economic effects of marketing and distributing illicit drugs, there is the deleterious effect on society from the usage of said narcotics, including Marijuana.

Having lived a good portion of my younger adulthood down on the Beach, I was constantly in the company of others who smoked Marijuana, used LSD and Meth. Although Marijuana is the least injurious of the bunch, it still resulted in a significant detachment from reality exhibited by the participants, including long, rambling discourses which they along with other participants seemed to find truly profound, but was actually a bunch of nonsensical jibberish and/or the belief that they could accomplish some outstanding act (such as flying) in disregard of the laws of Physics. I remember one such friend having to be restrained because he Thought he could fly from the Third-Story window of the house.

Drugs are a menace to society for a multitude of reasons.

Tell the truth. You tried it but you didn't inhale :cool:

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 01:58 PM

Mr Bill--------are you including "alcohol and coffee" (and other legal stimulants) in that statement?? If not, why not? And now where do we go with this???

Slowmad - 1-5-2007 at 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
Regardless of the economic effects of marketing and distributing illicit drugs, there is the deleterious effect on society from the usage of said narcotics, including Marijuana.
and/or the belief that they could accomplish some outstanding act (such as flying) in disregard of the laws of Physics. I remember one such friend having to be restrained because he Thought he could fly from the Third-Story window of the house.

Yeah...I think I saw that episode of Dragnet too. :rolleyes:

Lee - 1-5-2007 at 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.
-------has it EXACTLY right-----it will not stop until people stop buying it--------period!!!!!! And those that do "buy" are a MAJOR part of the problem, and facilitate the killings.

That is the plain, hard truth, and no amount of making excuses will mitigate that "truth".

The plain truth is also that unless those buying pot are buying from a larger dealer (cartel, etc.), then home grown pot users are exempt from this argument.

Tried it once. Didn't exhale.

:cool:

Soulpatch------

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 04:04 PM

----this "thread" had been silent for 5 weeks-------I believe that it is a stretch to say that it was "hyjacked"-------it is simply using the subject as a springboard, IMHO.

I was hoping that we would have another NOMAD first, in that somebody would come up with a brilliant idea how to solve the problem-----personally I saw NO "moralizing"----we were talking about the "law", and those that "broke the law", and the consequences of such---------that is "moralizing"? If so, we are REALLY in trouble, and will NEVER solve the problem, it seems to me.

Soulpatch--------

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 04:31 PM

-----------and on that, I fully agree. :yes:

Barry

abreojos - 1-5-2007 at 05:06 PM

Unfortunately, the drugs really aren't the problem, it's the people using them and there seems to be way too many people with really big problems involved with drugs. These same people would be a problem for themselves and society with or without drugs, so getting rid of the drugs is only putting a band aid on a much bigger problem. It will take something extreme like this to push forward any change. That's just the way it has always been and that's just the way it will always be and it is unfortunate some really good people are lost in the process.

[Edited on 1-6-2007 by abreojos]

[Edited on 1-6-2007 by abreojos]

David K - 1-5-2007 at 05:23 PM

'Hijacking' this thread does do the job of bringing back to the top of Today's Posts the original subject here... the terrible event that has wrecked Antonio & Lorenia's family and that of her two brothers who were killed by the drug pushing mafia or ??.

Minnow - 1-5-2007 at 05:25 PM

Horrible. I can't begin to comprehend how a family attempts to rebuild after something like this. Antonio and family, my heart goes out to you.