is it legal to bring Mace or pepper into Baja??bajalou - 11-13-2006 at 06:12 PM
Don't think so but the cans of Black Flag for wasps that shoot a stream about 20ft are.jerry - 11-13-2006 at 06:17 PM
heck yes thanks Bajalou i think ill get a can for every rig here too great ideaBruce R Leech - 11-13-2006 at 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jerry
is it legal to bring Mace or pepper into Baja??
it is illegal to bring or have in Mexico. but you can get a permit for it. that is what we didjerry - 11-13-2006 at 06:57 PM
thanks bruce what did it take and under what conditions can a permit be obtained??i think that somethings need to change as far as defence in mexico
but probibly wont happen in my our life timeDiver - 11-13-2006 at 07:47 PM
Pepper spray is sold in some stores in Baja.surfer jim - 11-13-2006 at 08:49 PM
BAJALOU....are you saying the wasp spray is not allowed....I have been taking that with me....in case of "bugs".....bajalou - 11-13-2006 at 08:52 PM
No wasp spray is allowed and available for all the bugs that one encounters.Bruce R Leech - 11-13-2006 at 09:14 PM
I got my permit at the police station in Santa Rosalia it was 50 pesos.jerry - 11-13-2006 at 09:20 PM
thanks bruce ill look into it in the mean time bimart got a sale on summer old stock (wink )
Wasp spray is ineffective in Baja
Hook - 11-13-2006 at 09:22 PM
the country is over 90% Catholic.jerry - 11-13-2006 at 10:03 PM
did i miss something ??HookIflyfish - 11-13-2006 at 10:19 PM
That was funny Hook!
W hite A nglo S axon P rotestant
Iflyfishsurfer jim - 11-13-2006 at 11:28 PM
Thanks lou.....good laugh for me HOOKfdt - 11-13-2006 at 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Pepper spray is sold in some stores in Baja.
Totaly legal, there is no law that prohibits it, peper spray (sparay de chile en aceite ) sold in stores in México, no permit required. If you use it
to asault someone or commmit a crime, then your in big trouble, All of my hotel employees were armed with it. Found a company with a web site http://www.miniguard.com.mx/
saludosBajabus - 11-14-2006 at 12:02 AM
take the top from the wasp spray aerosol can or one of those engine cleaner cans that shoot nice, straight and far and put it on top of a can oven
cleaner.....now there is some nasty caustic stuff to get on your hands, face and eyes. You may have to experiment with several different
tops......long story, don't askbajalou - 11-14-2006 at 08:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
the country is over 90% Catholic.
With 90% Catholic, it must be working - not many WASPs around.Hook - 11-14-2006 at 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by bajalou
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
the country is over 90% Catholic.
With 90% Catholic, it must be working - not many WASPs around.
Good point, Lou!
Being that effective, I imagine the stores are having a hard time keeping it stocked. comitan - 11-14-2006 at 12:18 PM
I bought 2 cans pepper spray 1 shoots about 18" the other 3 ft, its bad stuff got it on my hands washed them later rubbed my eye, Bad,Bad.QuePasaBaja - 11-14-2006 at 02:53 PM
Only one caution about having pepper spray. SHAKE THE CAN EVERY WEEK.
at least once a week. if you dont, you may spray, and get nothing as the pepper drifts to the bottom of the propellant, and will clog the tube.toneart - 11-14-2006 at 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajabus
take the top from the wasp spray aerosol can or one of those engine cleaner cans that shoot nice, straight and far and put it on top of a can oven
cleaner.....now there is some nasty caustic stuff to get on your hands, face and eyes. You may have to experiment with several different
tops......long story, don't ask
Bajabus,
You may have to experiment with several different bad guys too!
Being serious for a minute....how do you take the top off of one can and put it on another?Sharksbaja - 11-14-2006 at 06:21 PM
Tony, the nozzle.longlegsinlapaz - 11-14-2006 at 06:24 PM
Quote:
Being serious for a minute....how do you take the top off of one can and put it on another?
toneart: ONLY on the assumption that when you said "Being serious for a minute" that you sincerely meant it, am I typing this at the
risk of embarrassing myself more than you! He's talking the little spray nozzle, not literally the entire top of the can! toneart - 11-14-2006 at 06:48 PM
longlegs and Corky,
Thank you for your replies. (Apparently I have to put my lame attempts at humor in one of those spray cans....ffttcheewwwww.)
But yes, I am serious. Does it sound like a dumb question? Whereas I am often mechanically challenged, I still don't see how or why you would
interchange the nozzle from one spray can to another unless one is way more powerful than the other. I think wasp spray cans are pretty powerful. If
you took off the nozzle, wouldn't you have to also take out the plastic tube that extends down into the can? Also, wasp spray cans are longer than
oven cleaner cans. I can see cutting off the top of the can and then pouring the liquid into a heavy duty greasegun type of can that has a screw on
cap and squirt nozzle. I am asking these questions at the risk of embarrassment, but please enlighten my addled brain.
[Edited on 11-15-2006 by toneart]longlegsinlapaz - 11-14-2006 at 06:59 PM
Go for it SHARKSBAJA.....I don't want to embarrass Toneart further by having a non-mechanically challanged female s'plain it to him!
Baja Bus
Baja Bernie - 11-14-2006 at 08:25 PM
Hate to agree with this guy but all living in Baja should listen to him. It works and it hurts and ain't no law against it.
Practice
bajaguy - 11-14-2006 at 08:35 PM
Toneart......for safety's sake, please practice this operation with a can of shaving cream or whipped cream.......just pop off the plastic top....it's
really easy. The hard part is putting it back on without spraying....When you do it for real, wear complete eye protection. let us know how it goes
for youtoneart - 11-14-2006 at 11:55 PM
Sorry,
I just practiced with several cans of beer 'till I got it right.
Each one worked better than the last one.
Oh, by the way, the shaving creme experiment worked but it tasted terrible. FARASHA - 11-15-2006 at 12:26 AM
have been lurkin for a while now, thanks for Bbus - good ideas to swap
the top of the wasp spray etc.
Will give it a try coming weekend, while my darling is on a trip. Got to kill some time.
But tell you guys as a" non- mechanical skilled female" - a simple HAIRSPRAY does it too!! No need to swap anything, and it's NOT illegal to carry it
with you - Or to use it.
And the sticky stuff burns like hell in the eyes, takes your breath away when inhaled, try it yourself!!
And in addition with a lighter, it makes a excellent FIRE gun ( or how you call this weapon in the army that spits fire??).
Has been used and carried around by femals here for many years.
My 2cents on it!bajaguy - 11-15-2006 at 06:55 AM
Farasha......the secret to the wasp spray or the oven cleaner is the range of the spray.......about 20 feet. Hairspray is only good for in close
range. Personally, I'll go for the range....keeping distance between you and a potential attacker is paramount.
I think I will now try changing the tops on Pacifico......Bob H - 11-15-2006 at 09:33 AM
Engine cleaner - "GUNK" is pretty nasty and shoots a stream pretty far.pacside - 11-15-2006 at 07:43 PM
i bought a can of Bear Guard Spray (recommended by Alaska Forest Rangers) before hiking/camping in Alaska backwoods several years back. the day before
a forest ranger was mauled by a bear...I didn't find this out until I left the wilderness area. anyway, i still have this can...wonder if airlines
would allow it on?
if pepper spray is legal to bring into mexico why would you do the wasp/oven cleaner thing?
ok so i'm lame...what does transferring the nozzle from the wasp can to the oven cleaner can give you? is it that the wasp nozzle sprays further and
oven cleaner is more potent?bajalou - 11-15-2006 at 07:59 PM
Think that's what they are talking about. Don't know about pepper spray but the wasp stuff will shot about 20 feet and I wouldn't want any in my
face/eyes/nose/mouth.Lee - 11-15-2006 at 08:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jerry
is it legal to bring Mace or pepper into Baja??
Mace use to be CN gas but is now illegal in most states because of major side effects. Law enforcement uses CS gas now.
Mace is sold as Mace Pepper spray with a variety of models. Some have a ratio of CS and/or dye that doesn't come off.
Spray is a great defensive weapon for close in contact. Downside is that you need to be accurate to have results. A face shot is essential. It
would pay to do some target practice and yes, shake it from time to time. The aerosol lasts a long time but you never know.
On the very down side, spray is NOT effective with someone who is drunk or on drugs. A machete wielding drunk is best dealt with by running away.
After spraying someone, permit or not, it might be advisable to not involve the authorities. But you know that.
"Pepper Spray"
bajaguy - 11-15-2006 at 08:30 PM
Pepper spray
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pepper spray (also known as OC spray (from "Oleoresin Capsicum"), OC gas, or capsicum spray) is a lachrymatory agent (a chemical compound that
irritates the eyes to cause tears, pain, and even temporary blindness) that is used in riot control, crowd control and personal self-defense,
including defense against dogs and bears. It is a non-lethal agent that can be deadly in rare cases.
The active ingredient in pepper spray is capsaicin, which is a chemical derived from the fruit of plants in the Capsicum genus, including chiles.
Long-term effects of pepper spray have not been effectively researched.
The HPLC (High Performance Liquid Chromatography) method is used to measure the amount of capsaicin within pepper sprays. Scoville Heat Unit (SHU)
testing is also used to measure the hotness of pepper spray, but this is a subjective test which changes from person to person and does not measure
the actual chemical percentage within the product.
Pepper spray typically comes in canisters, which are often small enough to be carried or concealed in a pocket or purse. Pepper spray can also be
bought concealed in items such as rings.
Pepper spray is an inflammatory agent, not an irritant like Mace. It causes immediate closing of the eyes and coughing. The length of the effects
depend on the strength of the spray but the average full effect lasts around thirty to forty-five minutes, with mitigated effects lasting for hours.
Though there is no way of completely neutralizing pepper spray, its effect can be minimized or stopped. As veteran chili eaters know, capsicum is not
soluble in water, and even large volumes of water will have little to no effect. It is, however, soluble in fats and oils, and detergents can be used
to wash it off.
Some "triple-action" pepper sprays also contain "tear gas" (CS gas), which can be neutralized with sodium metabisulfite (Campden tablets, used in
homebrewing), though it, too, is fat-soluble and could be washed off to a degree with milk, and some contain a UV "blanketing" dye (little can be done
against this, but its effects are not nearly as dramatic).
Two important things to remember.......always spray from an upwind position......and after you spray, exit the area immediately.toneart - 11-15-2006 at 09:22 PM
People..........
My serious point was why interchange nozzles? I would rely on the power of wasp spray, and its toxicity, which I have used on wasps, to be effective
in an emergency situation. Or, use a machete, knife, flare, pepper spray or...I don't know....Hydrochloric acid
Dennis...thank you for your concern but no, I didn't and wouldn't cut the tops of of pressurized anything. Would you really trust me with a Derringer
if you think I would do that?
I am still recovering from my experiment with beer cans. (Yesterday>>>>>>>>>>>> Today>>>>> all in the name or research. Sheesh! I'm going back to bed!
[Edited on 11-16-2006 by toneart]
Nozzles
bajaguy - 11-15-2006 at 09:27 PM
I think the point was that you get different spray patterns, volumes and possibly range with different nozzles.
By the way, just HOW IS that beer can experiment going???
Today>>>>>
all in the name or research. Sheesh! I'm going back to bed!