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Mexicos military plans for defending itself from the U.S.

JESSE - 12-23-2003 at 08:59 PM

I dont have a link but trust me, i read this on a Mexico city newspaper the other day and i also saw a report on Televisa a few weeks back about this same subject, it seems the Mexican military has a pretty extensive and well prepared plan to wage guerrilla warfare in the case the U.S. invades us. According to top Mexican military people, after the agressive and illegal attacks of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Mexican military has set up a very wide spread net of trained guerrilla military units all over Mexico, in fact, almost all forces of the Mexican military are now getting trained to combat modern U.S. military troops via guerrilla attacks.

A quote from a general says it all:

"We cannot compete with them in terms of manpower and equipment, but we are surely going to make it very costly for them if they ever decided to come here"

It seems the Mexican military is studying Palestinian, Iraqi, and Afghani tactics in order to use them if our neighbors to the north go loco.

Anonymous - 12-23-2003 at 09:04 PM

Who can the U.S. look to as an example in order to defend herself against the Mexican invasion that is currently taking place?

Dave - 12-23-2003 at 09:07 PM

I am trying to laugh about this but I can't quite bring myself to it. I think I better go dig myself a rathole.

On another note: Where in TJ can I find "La Jornada" for sale? A friend gave me a copy and I find the political commentary fascinating.

JESSE - 12-23-2003 at 09:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
I am trying to laugh about this but I can't quite bring myself to it. I think I better go dig myself a rathole.

On another note: Where in TJ can I find "La Jornada" for sale? A friend gave me a copy and I find the political commentary fascinating.


Avenida Madero, betwen 3rd and 4th.

Its a small libreria, you cant miss it.

[Edited on 12-24-2003 by JESSE]

JESSE - 12-23-2003 at 09:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
Who can the U.S. look to as an example in order to defend herself against the Mexican invasion that is currently taking place?
Thats your problem:lol:

Dave - 12-23-2003 at 09:19 PM

Gracias compadre

Anonymous - 12-23-2003 at 09:23 PM

The modern day invasion from Mexico into the U.S. may or may not be real. However, if Mexico is really stepping up logistics against the U.S., Bush could possibly use this perceived current invasion as a motive for a full-scale, military invasion into Mexico. The U.S. will probably liberate the population of Mexico by means of setting up an interim government, but the U.S. will most likely confiscate all Mexican petroleum holdings and mineral rights as war reparations and repayment of debts.

Anonymous - 12-23-2003 at 09:35 PM

:lol:

Anonymous - 12-23-2003 at 09:40 PM

Forget the gas and minerals. Give me Tamales, and pescado. I want fish. Give me your fish, and Army fights on its estomago. Yeah, Yeah!:moon:

You guys are killing me. hahahahaha

Ski Baja - 12-23-2003 at 09:49 PM

I'd better suit up. I wouldn't put anything past them now that they see the sheep.

Irresponsible Gossip

capn.sharky - 12-23-2003 at 11:31 PM

Jesse--I don't know who you are are what you are up to, but that is the type of irresponsible talk that neither the U.S. or Mexico can handle right now. We have just gone to the second highest level of home defense. Your country is somewhat dependent on our support and tourism. I can only hope that someone in your government is monitoring this website and homes in on you. Most of us like our neighbors to the south and would not like to see any bad feeling develope because of stuff like this. Please think before you post.

Anonymous - 12-24-2003 at 02:28 AM

You need to read the whole thing.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/empowerment/revolution2.html

THE US THREATENS RETALIATION
DNA (Washington) August 6
The US Threatens Retaliation
by Daniel Andrews

This evening, the president of the United States made a
statement condemning the revolution in Mexico. He claims
that radical terrorists have gained control of a population rife
with discontent. He cited the seizure of property belonging
to US citizens and corporations, and acts of violence
committed against US citizens. Then he told the US public
about the murder of a Major Anderson, a member of US
special forces on loan as a military adviser to help out with
the drug war in Mexico. Murdered by rioters in Mexico City,
Major Anderson was widely believed to work closely with the
paramilitary death squads which are terrorizing the countryside.
Mr. President did not mention this connection.

?Where US citizens or property are threatened,? the president
stated, ?we retaliate with force. And, when US citizens are
murdered, we must have retribution. It is our duty to rescue
democracy in Mexico and protect US interests. Therefore, I
am alerting congress, and the American public, that we are
preparing to send troops into Mexico to restore order. Rest
assured, we shall put a stop to this menace at our border.?

And tonight, as if in response, a number of US diplomats and
corporate officials were forcefully herded together and expelled
from Mexico via plane. There is also a rumor that attacks on
US military installations have been stepped up. No one has any
doubt but that the president will declare war on Mexico. The
People?s Federation of Mexico is trying to coordinate the resistance.

Though defiant in action, the Mexican people are frightened of
US involvement. They have been dreading the invasion of their
northern neighbors since the US took over the northern half of
their country in the last war. They are doing a magnificent job
of organizing, and it should be recognized that all of the people
are working extraordinarily well together. Everyone is holding up
their responsibilities, working together to transform their society
in the face of overwhelming odds.

The People?s Federation, aided by officers of the former
government military, are building a new army and striving to
coordinate the activities of the militias which have formed all
over the country. The biggest thorn in their side may soon be
plucked out: the hostile army remnant in Chiapas has finally
agreed to talk with the People?s Federation. Word is that the
holdouts were faced with massive defections. With a reunited
military, Mexico might be able to put up a strong resistance to
US invasion.

In the United States, intervention is strongly supported by congress
and the military. The media is howling for vengeance in the death
of Major Anderson, and the business community is crying over
the loss of seized assets. It remains to be seen whether the US
public, suffering in their own right under global capitalism, will rise
to the defense of their oppressors. Class consciousness has risen
tremendously since the 1990?s, and the US public no longer serves
so blindly as they once did. A strong public outcry could take the
steam out of any military action. We must do our best to make this
outcry loud and strident.

******************************************
*********Dissemination News Agency*********
******************************************
This report is entirely fictional. It is
part of a short story written as a series
of news reports, and is presented purely
for entertainment purposes.
******************************************
*********Oh, for a pair of wireclippers********
******************************************

Juan - 12-24-2003 at 08:45 AM


Thanks for the post Jesse. Too bad we have to wade through the right wingers' BS though. Good work.

Best wishes, Juan

Absolutely correct Juan and Jesse

Ski Baja - 12-24-2003 at 08:50 AM

It's amazing to me how truly blinded some of these "patriots" really are. Kinda like I imagine the soldiers of Hitler used to be.

Dave - 12-24-2003 at 09:11 AM

All this sounds like the makings of a good movie. They could shoot it right here at Fox.

Just to be safe I am going to change my gringo sounding last name and start selling tacos. No more pastrami.

Viva Zappa!

Anonymous - 12-24-2003 at 10:00 AM


Thoroughly laughable!

The Mexican army is a skeleton and the citizens of Mexico do not have the right to bear arms. Read "defenseless".

You leftists are such dreamers with no root in reality.
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
I dont have a link but trust me, i read this on a Mexico city newspaper the other day and i also saw a report on Televisa a few weeks back about this same subject, it seems the Mexican military has a pretty extensive and well prepared plan to wage guerrilla warfare in the case the U.S. invades us. According to top Mexican military people, after the agressive and illegal attacks of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Mexican military has set up a very wide spread net of trained guerrilla military units all over Mexico, in fact, almost all forces of the Mexican military are now getting trained to combat modern U.S. military troops via guerrilla attacks.

A quote from a general says it all:

"We cannot compete with them in terms of manpower and equipment, but we are surely going to make it very costly for them if they ever decided to come here"

It seems the Mexican military is studying Palestinian, Iraqi, and Afghani tactics in order to use them if our neighbors to the north go loco.

Jesse, compadre

Anonymous - 12-24-2003 at 12:14 PM

Thanks for voicing the REAL of Mexican public. In the US and MEX.

And we are letting these scum bags into our club?

Join the effort to kick'em out.
Otherwise, it'll be your home they TAKE from YOU.

Bookerman - 12-24-2003 at 01:32 PM

Jesse and Juan, could you please honestly answer this question: Are you or are you not advocates of the Aztlan agenda?

Dave - 12-24-2003 at 01:48 PM

I don't know Jesse and Juan's political beliefs but I would assume that Jesse, as a Mexican National would approve of Aztlan's SOUTHERN border.:lol:

Bookerman - 12-24-2003 at 01:59 PM

Would we then have people sneaking northward through Aztlan?s northern border? What do they really want? Do you think that native-born Chicanos in the U.S. would like to live in Aztlan or the U.S.? Do they think we ought to give it all back to the Indians who had it before the crushing influence of the Spanish and the Mexican? If so, where would they relocate to?

Chicanos

Ski Baja - 12-24-2003 at 02:06 PM

Since I'm already in trouble hahahaha, if it's anything like Pico Rivera used to be, they would want to relocate to whichever areas have the most reds. :lol:

Dave - 12-24-2003 at 02:11 PM

You realize of course that GW's ranch would be included in the new country. As a legal resident, would he run for president? :lol:

This gives new meaning to the slogan:

Texas, it's a whole nuther country.

This thread is not political?

Anonymous - 12-25-2003 at 05:22 PM

OK

Bookerman - 12-25-2003 at 05:53 PM

I am not against having this thread moved to off topic or political. I really want to know where some people stand regarding the U.S. border.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-25-2003 at 06:11 PM

Bookerman: I do not know if there willever be a answer to your question. I do know the following
There are jobs that Americans will not do such as:Picking Cotton,Milking Cows,flipping hamburgers etc.
I know that if legals and illegals were stopped from their work that we would not be able to Eat!

Aguest worker program will work for a portion of the workers but to do that you would overload the otherside of the Border.that would cause many more problems.

We can put the soldiers on the Border but would take maybe 100,000 which are needed to fight Terrorism all over the Middle East.

Mexico is not in the position to do anything unless they start development of their Resourses

Canada could sell water to Mexico via the Colo/ River The area south of the Border could be made into a huge Farm area where Mexicanos could work in Mexico there by eleminating the Central Valley of Calif.

What is your Non Political answer. Skeet/Loreto

Bookerman - 12-26-2003 at 12:03 AM

Skeet, my question is a bit political but important. I am trying to find out if some posters here advocate taking land away from the U.S and Mexico and start a new nation some call Aztlan. Look at this map and you'll know what I mean.

Republica del Norte

academicanarchist - 12-26-2003 at 07:34 AM

Aztlan is the mythic home of the Mexica-Aztec, who migrated the Valley of Mexico and established Tenochtitlan. The idea of Aztlan has circulated for decades, and this idea of the Republica del Norte is a variation on the common Aztlan theme.

The flaw in the scheme, other than the fact that the United States stole Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California from Mexico fair and square, is that the Hispanics in what today is the American Southwest who have a legitimate claim to these lands would be the Mexican inhabitants of the region prior to acquisition by the United States. The vast majority of people of Mexican ancestry who live in the American Southwest came in the late 19th and particularly the first three decades of the 20th century.

As originally floated, the idea of Aztlan was to recoup for the descendents of the original Mexican settlers the territories taken by the United States. But, of course, there were people living in the region when the Spanish colonized, who have an even stronger claim.

Another argument could be used, however. The culture of northern Mexico is distinct from that of central Mexico. Two indications are the preference for flour as versus corn tortillas in the north, and the way that towns look. You also have variations in dress, music, etc. However, this is not the argument presented by Chicano activists in their Aztlan plan.

Aztlan

academicanarchist - 12-26-2003 at 07:36 AM

Truxillo's claim that Aztlan is an inevitabilty is unsustainable.

Anonymous - 12-26-2003 at 08:19 AM

And JESSE, the leftist political opportunist continues to dodge the Aztlan question.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bookerman
Skeet, my question is a bit political but important. I am trying to find out if some posters here advocate taking land away from the U.S and Mexico and start a new nation some call Aztlan. Look at this map and you'll know what I mean.

anonymous

Juan - 12-26-2003 at 08:29 AM

I can't speak for Jesse but personally, I don't respond to trolls or people without a name.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-26-2003 at 10:43 AM

Cruz Bustomonte got him self in trouble with his own people for being an active member in a Club and movement at my old School Fresno State College.It is still active at that school and if my memory is correct it was started by some former Members of the "Brown Berets" of the Cesar Chaves Days.
There is no need to form the mythlic State as the Mexicanos are allready taKING OVER AND THEY HAPPEN TO LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.
tHE RABBLE ROUSERS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO START A MINOR rEVOLUTION OVER THIS AS MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS CONNECTED TO CLOSLY TO THE PRESENT mEXICAN gOVT.

It is more of the Leftist Intellegente trying to stir up trouble like they have in Mexico and El Salvadora.
The many Mexicano's that I have been involved know how bad life was and How good life is in the US.They Appreciate the fact that they can Work and rasie a family with out starving to death.
I hope this does not get political as Anon Give us your name if you want me to post again. Skeet/Loreto



Anonymous - 12-26-2003 at 05:18 PM

Hey, where do I sign up for this new country???
I'm all over it as long as they make Tombstone, AZ the capital city!!!

Barry

Dave - 12-26-2003 at 05:45 PM

Hey AA, what about article VIII of the Hidalgo treaty.


In the said territories, property of every kind, now belonging to Mexicans not established there, shall be inviolably respected. The present owners, the heirs of these, and all Mexicans who may hereafter acquire said property by contract, shall enjoy with respect to it guarantees equally ample as if the same belonged to citizens of the United States.

JESSE - 12-26-2003 at 05:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by capn.sharky
Jesse--I don't know who you are are what you are up to, but that is the type of irresponsible talk that neither the U.S. or Mexico can handle right now. We have just gone to the second highest level of home defense. Your country is somewhat dependent on our support and tourism. I can only hope that someone in your government is monitoring this website and homes in on you. Most of us like our neighbors to the south and would not like to see any bad feeling develope because of stuff like this. Please think before you post.


This story was on the national news Televisa, and its a REALITY, if you dont like it, send your complaint to the Mexican armed forces and Televisa.

JESSE - 12-26-2003 at 05:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
All this sounds like the makings of a good movie. They could shoot it right here at Fox.

Just to be safe I am going to change my gringo sounding last name and start selling tacos. No more pastrami.

Viva Zappa!
Your already David from Nueva York Deli to me amigo;)

JESSE - 12-26-2003 at 06:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bookerman
Jesse and Juan, could you please honestly answer this question: Are you or are you not advocates of the Aztlan agenda?
No way, Aztlan is the DREAM of a bunch of Mexican-American nobodies that dont have anything better to do than to dream of this joke. In reality, 99% of Mexicans dont care about that Aztlan crap, and are only concerned about keeping our own boat afloat, and i am one who doesnt pay attention to this wet dream.

I believe in closing the borders, putting pressure on the Mex goverment to do its job, and making a better life for us here, if the Chileans could do it, so can we.

Bookerman - 12-26-2003 at 06:21 PM

Thank you very much for your reply Jesse. I don't see any reason to bring up the Aztlan thing again. However, Dave might want to navigate the Aztlan site for awhile and see their feelings on Judaism. I'm not Jewish, but even I felt bad about what they are saying there. All religions should be respected, I think. And what does the Palestinian issue have to do with Aztlanists? I?m not trying to perpetuate any discussion on this; it?s just that I don?t quite get the Aztlan/ Jewish thing. Take it easy. Book

Nikon - 12-26-2003 at 06:38 PM

I traveled to Chile to work in 1965, and had my experience in Panama with Panamanians and how they viewed their government, as a point of contrast. Chileans were unbelievably politically aware, even the college age girls with whom I became familiar. They loved to talk politics, and years later when the students' protests against Pinochet's regime began, I wasn't surprised. These were the same people I'd known. Now after visiting Mexico for 28 years and knowing its people, I see few signs of Mexicans' discontent with their lot. The times I have heard them speak their minds have stayed in my memory like a treasure, and I remember every word said. The highest ideals of activism have ironically come from those who would seem to be most cowed, the indigenous of Oaxaca and Chiapas. The exploits of the Zapatistas, while better known, have not surpassed the protests of the Oaxacans, with their practice of blocking highways. In one case in San Quintin, Oaxacans (while seasonally employed in the fields) succeeded in forcing the relocation of the planned siting of a medical center to a center of population, from the hinterlands where the government had planned to place it.
The legacy of patronage by the PRI over seventy years has fostered much complacency.
Of course the degree of difference in higher education between Chileans and Mexicans, undoubtedly accounts for differences in restiveness.

Dave - 12-26-2003 at 11:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bookerman
Thank you very much for your reply Jesse. I don't see any reason to bring up the Aztlan thing again. However, Dave might want to navigate the Aztlan site for awhile and see their feelings on Judaism. I'm not Jewish, but even I felt bad about what they are saying there. All religions should be respected, I think. And what does the Palestinian issue have to do with Aztlanists? I?m not trying to perpetuate any discussion on this; it?s just that I don?t quite get the Aztlan/ Jewish thing. Take it easy. Book


WOW Book, thanks for the heads up! I had absolutely NO clue! This is some of the worst crap I have ever seen. Worse than even some of the white power sites.

I've put my homies on it and will get to the bottom of who's responsible.

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

academicanarchist - 1-9-2004 at 07:45 PM

Dave. Sorry, but I just saw your question about the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There is a long history of how that particular article was enforced. The bottom line is that the federal government did try to respect land rights, but that Anglo American settlers and scumbag politicians defeated the process. In New Mexico, newly arrived Anglo-Americans gained control over the territorial government, raised land taxes to the point that Mexican landowners had to sell out, and then lowered the property tax. It was the Santa Fe gang, that also figured in the Lincoln County War, kind of loosely interpreted in the Young Guns movies. In California, land claimants had to prove their title to land. Unscrupulous Anglo settlers squatted on the holders of the Mexican land grants, and contested onwership in court, which was an expensive process that bankrupted many landowners and/or forced them to sell. In southern California a brutal drought in the 1860s devastated the cattle herds that had been pillaged from the missions, and forced many of the Mexican landowners to sell. What is generally forgotten is that in the rush to give out land in the 1830s and 1840s, local Mexican governors trampled on the rights of the local Indian populations, that lost their lands.

Aztlan

academicanarchist - 1-9-2004 at 07:47 PM

The whole Aztlan proposal is smoke and mirrors by Chicano radicals, but ignores what happened to the original residents of the region.