BajaNomad - smooth as a baby's butt- road graded to Asuncion

smooth as a baby's butt- road graded to Asuncion

shari - 11-17-2006 at 09:31 AM

The day before yesterday, the governor was here to announce the next stage of paving the road from the highway in from Vizcaino to the village of bahia Asuncion. He claimed it would be finished in 2007 which would be a dream come true for all the residents here. We like it when the governor comes as the road gets graded real pretty and yesterday it was as smooth as a bebe's trasero. So it's a great time to explore this part of the coast! They fixed it up real nice....filled in all the washouts after the big rain.

Russ - 11-17-2006 at 10:42 AM

Sure wish the Gov. would Punta Chivato

Iflyfish - 11-17-2006 at 11:05 AM

That is very good news!

Thanks for the new polabra: tracero, I like that.

Iflyfish

bigzaggin - 11-17-2006 at 11:19 AM

Road or no road, the problem with Asuncion is there's just nowhere to stay out there!

Great lobster though if you can get to the fisherman right when they pull their boats in.

Bajamatic - 11-17-2006 at 11:24 AM

FAST FORWARD 20 YEARS:

nomads:

I am just writing to inform all nomads that local lobster fisherman have taken up arms and shooting gringos and dynamiting the 6 lane freeway into town. We have locked ourselves in our Bed and Breakfast (we are still open though!) and feel safe. The weather is perfect, the water is roughly 200 feet visibility, and the wind is calm (unless you're sailing, then its downwind all the way here and back!). The beaches, though patrolled by pescaderos in search of invaders, are stunning. We are hoping to get our metro proposal passed next week which would stop right in front of our B&B! (did i mention we are still open?).

*****

[Edited on 11-17-2006 by Bajamatic]

[Edited on 11-22-2006 by Hose A]

shari - 11-22-2006 at 08:31 AM

Dear bajamatic and zigzaggin: I really don't understand your animosity. I was asked by other nomads to please post when the road was graded as it makes a huge difference to the drive in. What is the problem here? I understood this board was about finding out about baja, the roads, where to stay, what to do etc. A visitor here suggested I check out this board and he said it would be great to tell folks about our area which many baja officianados don't even know about. I love my village and enjoy sharing it with others for the good of all concerned. AS far as our B&B goes, we don't even have a sign and only rent out our room to friends who like to hang out with us and don't want to stay in a little hotel with no view on the main street. It is not a big deal and I really don't think I'm promoting THAT...what I mean to do is share the beauty here while helping out my fellow villagers who may benefit from a few more pesos that visitors bring. Most people who come, we have helped find out where to camp, surf, party, fish etc. Good information is valuable and usually welcome.
I'm really am getting bored with your negative, useless, nasty comments. I don't think anybody else wants to hear them either. I was just going to ignore you but I woke up in a particularly defensive mood this morning.
So if YOU don't want to know when our road is graded...butt out culero and don't open my posts.

bigzaggin - 11-22-2006 at 10:00 AM

Say what you will mijita, but the apparent subtext of 99.99% of your postings is "...so check out my B&B."

The surf has been good around here...so check out my B&B

The fish is delicious in these parts...so check out my B&B.

Look at this gorgeous photo...it was taken near my B&B.

The road was just graded...way easier to get to my B&B now.

Also, personally, I'm not a fan of unsolicited advice on Baja etiquette ie "Let me explain to you (marooons) the proper way to procure lobster in Baja." As it was explained to me, advice is doled out when asked for. Personally, I find many of your postings ripe with self-righteous condescenion, as if teaching the Baja rules - as you perceive them - is somehow in your job description.

Of course, I don't know you at all. But I don't know anyone on this board. I only know what they say. And CLEARLY you don't know this "culero," or you'd recognize that "butting out" is unlikely :spingrin:

For the record, I've got nothing but respect for David K. The guy is walking GPS who knows that pile of stones was once a mission.

David K - 11-22-2006 at 10:53 AM

Lets remain amigos people... I invited Shari to Baja Nomad after she contacted me, and I offered to make the web pages because very little to nothing was on the Internet about Bahia Asuncion. The town really needed something to bring in more visitors, according to Shari.

It is very selfish to keep an area poor so you can have it to yourselves. The people of Baja villages could really have a better life if we visit places like Asuncion more. There are plenty of open beaches and desert just a few miles from Asuncion, so don't keep the town poor so it remains quiet for your vacation.

I appreciate the complements on my 'knowing a pile of rocks is a mission', etc. but the subject here is insulting Shari (a nice person) when she has something to offer the Baja traveler in her little corner of the peninsula.

Now, how about keeping the insults to yourselves and post here on Nomad only things that benefit the people of Baja California and those who love to travel there!

DianaT - 11-22-2006 at 11:15 AM

Shari,

I really enjoy your posts and still hope to make it out there. We hoped to be on the road now, but the old knee goes in for a tune-up next week.

However, can you arrange for the governor to visit again right before we travel? :spingrin:

Keep posting the good information, and the great photos.

Diane

jorgie - 11-22-2006 at 12:13 PM

David, I was gonna but as usual, you said it best. Well said.

Diver - 11-22-2006 at 12:19 PM

I am one that has asked Shari to let us know when the road is graded and for any other information she wishes to share about her wonderful little town. I really enjoy and appreciate all of Shari's and her wonderful daughter's posts. I think they have been a great addition to Nomads and do not share any opinions to the contrary.
Please keep up the great work !

Whereas I can understand Larry's concerns, I do not understand the others'. I can read text; not subtext. Do you need special glasses ??

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Bajamatic - 11-22-2006 at 05:21 PM

Larry - I should have made clearer my "signing" of another member - my bad. It was 100% intended to be clear that i was writing a ficticious message.

Here's another ficticious message, that I made up, to make fun of shari for her self promoting and self righteous posts. i will sign it, "Sherry", who is from this point forward my imaginary friend who lives in baja.

dear nomads:

I am writing in response to Big Zaggin's post inquiring about the condition of the beaches here is sunny baja. I am so happy to report that they are GREAT! The view is perfect from our B and B. The surf is perfect (stay at my b and b), the lobster fishing excellent (my b and b is open and ready for you) (though you better bring your own Maine Lobsters, since you will be incarcerated immediately for poaching if you have a spiny, or pacific lobster in your hands , because more then likely you have obtained that illegally from the fisherman, who FYI will be really peeed about selling it to you. AND - if you DO engage in illegal lobster purchases, please be fair). Also, I run a small B and B here, and I want to share it with everybody!

signed,

Sherry, bajamatic's invisible, imagenary friend (not to be confused with SHARI - the lady from ascuncion who also, appearantly, owns a B and B).

that came to me directly from my new friend. She lives with miguel amarillo in a place in baja that is perfect, save for the occasional lynch mob. I read it over and over and think I might have spotted some subtext, but i just can't be sure. anyway, back to the lecture at hand (free pacifico for anyone who can correctly name the source of that line). I hope to get to your little neck of the woods before your word gets out and you become a successful b and b tycoon. have you been to the famed "cuatros casas"? I think you would LOVE it.

Iflyfish - 11-22-2006 at 11:56 PM

Bajamatic and bigzaggin,

I have very much appreciated and enjoyed Shari's posts and the posts of those who have visited Shari and Juan in Asuncion. What I have read and seen display the very hard work of a dedicated couple who are invested in their community and in the wellbeing of those of us who read this forum. I have learned a lot from her posts. I was pleased to find out that they had facilities available for travelers in such a remote place. I have seen wonderful pictures of happy faces on the people who visit there. I have seen pictures of Shari teaching an ESL class to a group of smiling local people. I have read her posts about lobsters and road conditions. I am glad that I have this information.

I have read some of Shari's cultural comments. She is a Canadian who married a Mexican man. She has a unique and valuable perspective on Mexican culture.

I have exchanged emails with Shari. We plan to visit Juan and Shari soon. In my inimable style, and recognizing that they live in a remote area, I have inquired as to what we might bring to make their life easier. She tells me that local people would appreciate things Canadian like pins, banners etc. These things are not for her, they are for the people that live in her community.

I read in Shari's posts and in her emails a real love for and pride in her family, community and in Baja. This is the sort of Baja Nomad that I first met some thirty years ago in Baja. This is the very sort of open handed, loving people that I have met and appreciated in my prior visits to Mexico. These are generative people who are making a life for themselves and doing positive things for their community. I admire this sort of positive person. I am pleased to call her amiga.

I have recently read with great saddness of the loss of wonderful Nomads on this list. I have read this week of a wonderful woman from BLA who was murdered. I read posts from people who spent time with her and her husband. I read similar posts about Shari and Juan. These wonderful, generative people are the sort that deserve our respect and support.

I would never have found out about Ascuncion with out Shari's posts. I would not have had any real feel for the place had not visitors posted on their experiences there. I love the pics of the blond Nomad kid having the Mexican birthday song sun to him by a group of Mexican friends of Shari and Juans. I loved Shari's comments about cross cultural experiences and how pleased she is to suppport them. These comments display an open and loving heart.

Shari and Juan have a Bed and Breakfast in Asuncion. I am very pleased to have learned of this on BajaNomads.

I used to hear a saying in Mexico, it went something like this, "Mi Casa es Tu Casa"", please excuse my bastardised Spanish. I have understood this to mean "my hourse is your house". I understand this to be a longstanding Mexican tradition and one that I get clearly from Shari in her posts. She genuinely enjoys the people who stay with her, most of them at any rate, and it is clear that their hospitality far exceeds that which is minimally necessary to run a Bed and Breakfast.

These people appear to me to be the "real deal", genuinely good people who are trying to make a life for themselves by providing service to others and bringing some measure of prosperity to their community. I commend them on these efforts.

The hospitality business is sometimes not an easy life, particularly when they have to deal with unkind and disrespectful people. However that goes with the "hospitality" business. When one opens their house to people one can never tell who will walk in.

I realize that this is not a forum for advertisement. I do however notice links to various sites on the forum and frequently follow them I appreciate that. But what are they to do? Not talk about what they are doing. Not let people know about the road. Not talk about how their community is dealing with crime? Not warn us about posessing illegal lobster? I wish others who were doing things like they are doing would write about their endeavors. As someone who does not live in Baja, this is a real service for me. Show pictures of your B and B. Show pictures of the food you serve. Show pictures of people enjoying themselves with you. I would appreciate that!

Iflyfish when not watching good people get kicked in the gut

Iflyfish - 11-23-2006 at 12:17 AM

Bajamatic and bigzaggin,

See Shari's typical self serving post about the celebration of Nov 20. Again one can clearly see how she is promoting her Bed and Breakfast in these posts. One can clearly see her self serving, self promoting nature. Something must and should be done about this!!

Iflyfish when I don't have a bone in my teeth.

Iflyfish - 11-23-2006 at 12:19 AM

See thread:

Revolution celebration Nov.20

Iflyfish when not being defensive

Russ - 11-23-2006 at 06:57 PM

I am having a really hard time understanding why a couple of..... , sorry I just can't but a label on them, can push my button to make me respond to this. Just appears to me Shari's post are informative. If you would like to see her promotions just go to her site at the bottom of her posts. Then maybe you be gracious enough to add something constructive.,,,, Maybe not?

Yo flyfish

Stickers - 11-23-2006 at 07:55 PM

Thanks flyfish, I missed that "Revolution celebration Nov. 20" post. Truly one of the best posts on Nomads.

Shari's contributions are the 'real deal' and provide information that will help Baja Nomads make their travels successful.

Shari has been a breath of new air on a board full of disgruntled old coots.

Now get that bone out of your teeth and go flyfish.

longlegsinlapaz - 11-23-2006 at 07:55 PM

In MY opinion there are a couple of people posting to this thread who are out of line. Correct me if & where I'm mistaken:

a. This site is to share information on the Baja Peninsula.
b. This site it to share locations, lodging, camping, restaurant information & reviews.
c. There are a lot of people who post to this site who have URL's or links to their business as part of their signature.
d. This site has a lot of threads involving what is legal vs illegal & many regarding things which are legal for Mexicans is not necessarily legal for non-Mexicans.
e. The majority of people who come to this site come here to learn; to gain information from those of us who have spent enough time on the Baja to have learned some of the pitfalls to avoid.

If you have a problem with any actual or perceived self-promotion, please start your own thread initiating discussion to possibly ban self-promotion if you feel that strongly about it. If you don't like what Shari or anyone else says, you could either avoid those person's posts altogether, or state your disagreement/objections respectfully, in a civil, polite manner. IMHO, Shari has only posted interesting, humorous, informative, insightful, knowledgeable posts. This is the first thread I've seen anyone challenge her information, let alone personally attack her! I've never met Shari, nor have I ever been to Asuncion, but I can tell from her posts that she is a genuinely nice, caring person who truly cares about the people she lives among. She cares about their welfare & what is in their best interest & that caring comes through in her posts.

If the information contained in any post is not of interest to you, then bypass it rather than launching an all out personal attack on the author for writing something that IS of interest to the majority or readers. It is possible to state a difference of opinion politely! And the creation of parody posts is, IMHO, rude, immature & inexcusable! But that's just my opinion! :fire:

Al G - 11-23-2006 at 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
Dear bajamatic and zigzaggin: I really don't understand your animosity.

I do. At times I share it. Towards the behaviors of you, of David K., and a number of others who are using this medium to enthusiasticaly expose and promote relatively unknown areas of the Peninsula, thereby possibly accelerating development by money-heavy outsiders. Is that exploitation inevitable? Probably. Is it good for the locals? I worry about that... a lot. Are a few folks in key positions (as are you, for example) really able to affect the flow of events? I believe so. This is a powerful medium through which a single person CAN influence events and I believe we need to take that responsability veeery seriously. I don't know if postponing exposure will help the situation, but I do fret over it...

Does this mean I don't like you? It doesn't. You seem like a wonderful person with the best of intentions. But I do worry about what you're doing with this promotional campaign...

--Larry

Larry..I have understood and agreed with perhaps 90% of your posts and like you (I think) retail commercialization of Nomads should be limited. I believe there is benefit in long term, giving and informative Nomads, who promote a general area and by doing so reap some benefit.
Well as I understand you, you object solely on the grounds of "If there is advertisement of Baja," you will have to share everything you don't own with the rest of the world. I fell the same way and I have just begun to explore Baja. It is something inside you that you must come to grips with or it will eat you up. Your are to nice a person to let this be an issue, that you know inside, it cannot be avoided.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Albert

Shari-----

Barry A. - 11-23-2006 at 09:04 PM

----I have thoroughly enjoyed ALL of your posts, as well as your daughter, Serenita's posts. Please keep posting just the way you have been---both of you.

I spent several delightful days in B. Asuncion a couple of years ago, camping right on the cliffs towards the west end of town, and we loved it--------everybody was so nice to us, also. On that 2 week trip we covered a lot of the peninsula, using Asuncion as our southward anchor point, branching out from there to coastal points north.

It was great, but we were amazed at the lack of other tourists-----------this is a great area, and thank you for promoting it, and telling us of it's charms.

Best of luck to you in the future. You are a true "nomad".

Barry

SiReNiTa - 11-23-2006 at 09:16 PM

OK OK OK...first of all thank's to aAaAaAlLlLlL the awsome great people that have said good things about my mom...and to those who know that she is a great, sincere person that only wants to help...and...to those FEW who don't like our posts about THE B&B i'm soooooooooooo sorry for you because it's you who in the future will want info about this beautiful place and guess what our doors will be closed...my mom is very forgiving and peaceful...on the other hand i am mexican and i do have their temper so keep you mouth shut about my mom please and stop making stupid remarks about her posts because guess what??!!?? nearly everyone loves them and if they dont they just don't open them so i suggest you do the same...it may seem bold on my part or even mean to say these things but if you mess with my family and expect sweet sirenita you have another thing coming.

SiReNiTa--- :mad:

ps. i would think that if you had a place at the beach that you want to share with people so that they can have some fun and spend a few days in paradise you would tell them about it...oh wait my bad oooops!!! i forgot you don't like sharing so if you please (and i am being polite) keep your unwanted opinion about asuncion and my mom to yourself...like the saying goes if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bajaboy - 11-23-2006 at 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Al G
I call for a vote.... BAN....No ban:
for bajamatic and bigzagin
I think they are both detrimental to Baja Nomad.
What say you?
Of course this is only for fun.....,.?

Al-

I personally know Juan and Shari and will vouch for them. They are true nomads with hearts of gold. They have invited me into their home with open arms. Over the course of my visits, we have discussed many topics. Some topics we agreed on and others we disagreed. With that in mind, I DO NOT think we should ban anyone. To me, that does no good.

I do not want to be a member of a board that discriminates against people just because they are a-holes....every group needs one or two. Why is it so challenging to just move on? I know a few people who would put me in that (a-hole) classification..oh well...we can't please everyone. But this board is open to differing opinions whether one likes it or not.

In closing, remember what your mama probably told you....sticks and stones...blah, blah, blah. Juan and Shari are good friends of mine. I think they have a lot to offer. If someone feels differently, so be it.

Happy Thanksgiving Nomads!

Zac

ps. I was not paid a promotional fee for my endorsement.

[Edited on 11-24-2006 by Bajaboy]

Juan Shari Tracy and Zac (Small).JPG - 29kB

Juan Shari Tracy and Zac (Small).JPG - 29kB

Bruce R Leech - 11-23-2006 at 10:51 PM

thanks for the road report shari it is good info that is perfectly welcome here. I did not see a bit of self promotion in your post. but think you have a rite to self promote if you want to.

David K - 11-23-2006 at 11:07 PM

Remember, we are 'sharing' Baja on the Baja Nomad forum, not the New York Times or CBS News... Doug's site is the #1 Baja Internet forum, but everytime I meet people in Baja, they never heard of Baja Nomad (before).

What I am saying is that we are connecting with thousands of people here, but not just anyone and not the majority of Baja travelers. It is my feeling that people who read this site are (mostly) lovers of Baja and want to keep Baja a special place... ie. not interested in high rise hotels and condos everywhere.

However, we are not so selfish to deny advancements in the quality of life to the wonderful people who live in Baja. I hate improved roads, but they bring trade and easier access to emergency medical assistance, etc. So, I search out old or new-to-me dirt roads to find special places. If you follow my trip reports or my web pages then you know they exist.

My web pages of Shari's photos and posts have brought some attention to Bahia Asuncion, but there is no tour busses lined up at her doorstep because of what is found here on Nomad.... Please relax and let the few who have the time and ability to go out to Asuncion enjoy themselves. Shari committed no crime posting invitations to her B&B, she instead has given all of us a lot of great things to read and see... Her daughter too!

Sirenita: Right on for sticking up for your mother!

Relax, have a beer, take a siesta... and BE NICE!

Bajaboy - 11-23-2006 at 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Remember, we are 'sharing' Baja on the Baja Nomad forum, not the New York Times or CBS News... Doug's site is the #1 Baja Internet forum, but everytime I meet people in Baja, they never heard of Baja Nomad (before).

What I am saying is that we are connecting with thousands of people here, but not just anyone and not the majority of Baja travelers. It is my feeling that people who read this site are (mostly) lovers of Baja and want to keep Baja a special place... ie. not interested in high rise hotels and condos everywhere.

However, we are not so selfish to deny advancements in the quality of life to the wonderful people who live in Baja. I hate improved roads, but they bring trade and easier access to emergency medical assistance, etc. So, I search out old or new-to-me dirt roads to find special places. If you follow my trip reports or my web pages then you know they exist.

My web pages of Shari's photos and posts have brought some attention to Bahia Asuncion, but there is no tour busses lined up at her doorstep because of what is found here on Nomad.... Please relax and let the few who have the time and ability to go out to Asuncion enjoy themselves. Shari committed no crime posting invitations to her B&B, she instead has given all of us a lot of great things to read and see... Her daughter too!

Sirenita: Right on for sticking up for your mother!

Relax, have a beer, take a siesta... and BE NICE!

DK- congrats on 9000 posts! by the way, I followed you last week on Mission Gorge but could catch you before you turned onto Zion.

shari - 11-24-2006 at 09:20 AM

Wow, all I can say is a huge mil gracias a todos who said those lovely things about our family and village. I'm glad most of uou like our posts and understand what we are about. I also appreciate the support as I was pretty devastated by the hurtful and twisted comments and wondered if I really should bother to post anymore. My daughter also set me straight on this idea...she's the best! It gives me great pleasure to see nomads and our family and friends enjoying each others company and learning from each other. I love bringing the cultures together in a positive way.
We truly do wish to help our community and I have a good example of how this is working. Last night some nomads arrived and my husband Juan stopped working on a house construction and entertained them, showed them around, brought them to the hotel (not ours by the way) where they stayed and ate at the restaurant their. This morning at 7:00 I was up to take them to the amigo who took them fishing. Manuel has just started a fishing charter business here and REALLY could use the business. So many businesses here benefitted from their visit although we didn't receive a peso! That's what it's all about folks...as many of you noted, we just want to let baja lovers know what's here for them.
I haven't a clue about big investors or like lencho said " I personally am NOT convinced that overwhelming, uncontrolled development by money-fat outsiders is the answer to whatever economic problems locals might have, and that is very real possibility with the current flow of events. " Maybe Lencho knows something we don't about investors coming here. So far it's just been Nomads interested in hangin out here. For the record we don't have a pot to pee in financially which will be obvious when you visit us and have never even met a developer. I don't know what the answer is to the economic problems here, but more visitors won't hurt. If there are big plans for here, oh well, what can I do except hope that you all see this lovely place before it happens. But really I don't get it sometimes...everyone loves to go to Mulege, BLA, etc. and there are tons of tourist activity there. At the moment the future for the kids here is very bleak, most of them are forced to move out for lack of work. Crystal meth is a huge problem cause the kids just dont have anything else to do. I'd rather see my neices and nephews guiding familes to the fossil valley, or to swim with sea lions or my aunts making some extra pesos selling you tamales...it's a win win situation.
So in closing, thanks again for your support but don't you even think about coming here let alone staying with us...you'll hate it!

shari - 11-24-2006 at 09:24 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot to inform all those who MAY be interested that the road should be pretty good from now on because the road constructions has started so they are preping the surface to pave it very soon. I took it yesterday to Guerrero Negro...but BEWARE of the enormous potholes from Vizcaino for about the first 30 miles in. Go slow as there are lots...hopefully they will fill them soon as they are terrible.

bbbait - 11-24-2006 at 09:31 AM

On your last sentence above, before the last road report, I had to laugh out loud! That was great, good sense of humor too!

David K - 11-24-2006 at 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy

Quote:

DK- congrats on 9000 posts! by the way, I followed you last week on Mission Gorge but could catch you before you turned onto Zion.

Hi Zac, thanks... 9,000 huh? Well, I guess as the oldest active Nomad other than Doug himself, I am keeping the energy level up!

Sorry that we didn't see you behind us on Mission Gorge!

Hope your day was a good one... It seems weird being here in San Diego instead of being in Baja!

Iflyfish - 11-24-2006 at 11:54 AM

Amigo Lancho,

You have raised an issue that is certainly worthy of discussion. The issue of retaining "rustic charm" and "unspoiled beauty", my quotes, are a real issue that might be interesting and maybe even useful to discuss.

I have had personal experiences with this issue, as Nomads not doubt have had. How to balance the real needs for development with the seemingly inevitability of change to the area being developed is a very real issue.

I live in Oregon. Our late, and in my opinion great Governor, Tom McCall once said "Vistit Oregon but Don't Stay". This phrase became the moto for our state tourist office for the years of his administration. I can tell you that it did not work and that the Oregon I inhabit is considerably differant than what I first encountered thirty five years ago.

I have more to say on this topic if you and others would like to discuss it under a new topic whick I will call Develop/Keep the Same

Iflyfish - 11-24-2006 at 11:57 AM

Amigo Lencho,

I have posted a new topic Develop/Keep the Same as a format to discuss the legitimate issue you have raised in this discussion.

Iflyfish when not contemplating change

Cypress - 11-24-2006 at 01:30 PM

Shari, Juan, and Sirenita, Happy Thanksgiving. Nothing wrong with being proud of your community and wanting to share it with others. Hope to see ya'll some day.

Bajamatic - 11-24-2006 at 01:40 PM

I am sure asuncion is great - it is in the top 5 of my baja trip que, but I just think its at least a little bit worthy of poking fun at the way in which shari sneaks the promos in. And if you disagree, then thats your right, as much as it is my right to heckle her for it, as much as it is her right to keep on promoting, and as much as it is bruce's right to defend her for it.

I also think its a shame that she believes by promoting her unspoiled part of baja that she'll be able to improve conditions for the coming generations, but thats just my opinon, like it or not, which i will take right on over to the new thread where it was solicited. :bounce:

Iflyfish - 11-24-2006 at 03:16 PM

Bajamatic,

I hope you bring roses when you visit Asuncion, if you visit Juan and Shari, and bring a heartfelt apology with it.

You have the right to say what you please, and I am glad that the internet is a place where we can do that. There are however real people on the other end of these missives and Shari's feelings were deeply hurt by what you said.

Your joke was missed. That is embarrasing. I know that one. I put out a terrible stinker at our Thanksgiving table this year. No one laughed, heads went down, jaws dropped, napkins were dropped. However I had the benifit of seeing the faces of those who heard my "joke". I was able to recover. On the internet we do not have the advantage of seeing the non verbal responses of the people reading our posts. Humor is hard and even harder in cyberspace. I would suggest staying with prose. You are better at it.

You also offered me advice when I requested input from the Nomads on fishing in Baja. I appreciated your help with that. I hope you will keep posting.

I think it is important somehow address the issues rather than the person in a format like this. You have an issue with advertising on this format. That is a legitimate issue. You have a problem with the affect of development on isolated places. This is a legitimate issue. You might be better heard if you separate the issues from the person. Now I have given you some advice. I consider us even for your advice on fishing.

Have a good one amigo.

Iflyfish when not offering free advice on the internet, I used to charge for it

Iflyfish - 11-24-2006 at 03:20 PM

Bajamatic wrote "I am sure asuncion is great - it is in the top 5 of my baja trip que"

I found out about Asuncion from Shari's post. What are your other four?

Thanks,

Iflyfish when not fishing

Bajamatic - 11-24-2006 at 03:28 PM

found out about it from a cruiser. Other 4 are SF bay, A venture south from la paz via the coast, la turista (heading there next) and Mag bay.

Iflyfish - 11-24-2006 at 03:44 PM

I hope you will keep us posted on what you find.

I like you love to find out of the way places to enjoy in safety and solitude.

The Japanes have learned to somehow survive living in such close proximity that they are like sardines in a can on their trains. They even have "pushers" whose job it is to squeeze the human drama into the cans. They have however had generations to develop this capacity. I don't have this sort of time.

Thanks for the list.

Iflyfish when not contemplating the universe

SiReNiTa - 11-24-2006 at 05:29 PM

great to hear that you are interested in asuncion and it's wonders after all....

Capt. George - 11-25-2006 at 05:09 AM

sour grapes and the green eyed monster.

B&B exposure? so what?. That's great info for any traveling nomads!

keep it up Shari & Juan...we'll be joining you in May.

George

Al G - 11-25-2006 at 07:57 AM

I have deleted my irresponsible post on banning.
I have been feeling the hostility on this board lately and am growing weary of it. My fuse is to short and I am attempting to pull more out.
Bajamatic may have been joking, but I still cannot see it.
Hope the nomads have brighter (Sunny)....more positive posts today.

SiReNiTa - 11-25-2006 at 11:15 AM

thankyou!!! be sure of it...oh and george we'll be happy to have you!!!!!

TacoFeliz - 11-25-2006 at 12:18 PM

Shari -

It's a pleasure to read your posts. Please keep 'em up.

Hope to pass your way this spring.

Keep smiling :tumble:

The Sculpin - 11-25-2006 at 12:45 PM

Sigh....the baja that some of us knew is gone forever...not that we didn't see it coming, or that we didn't have a part in it. This debate goes back to the Amigos days when we would all talk about distinct locales or roads, and never mention their location but we all knew where and what we were talking about. The ethos then was to give general directions and let the traveler enjoy the sweet fruit of discovery by themselves. Now, some of us have grown roots there, and beckon all to come and enjoy "the pristine {fill in the blank}, and blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, hotels in the corridor are selling at waaaaayyyyyyyy too high prices relative to current occupancy and rates, and huge mega residential developments are going up despite the obvious environmental limitations. So all this talk about exploitation, and "keeling it pristine" is just a bunch of hooey. People are doing whatever they can to better their lives, better their communities, better their pocketbooks, and it's all having an effect on baja. Me, I think for the worse. That's why I go there less and less, and have found other places in this world that are similar to what baja used to be like. Will these places get "ruined" as well? Of course, but we're all selfish. We all want what we want, and will do whatever to get it.

Above all else, let's not be too hypocritical....

comitan - 11-25-2006 at 12:46 PM

Boy did I miss a lot not going into this thread, Shari will see you in Jan.

Lencho I agree with your concern just a tiny bit, And you mention Los Cabo, Cabo, Loreto for their development and I guess the ruineization why did you not mention La Paz? :?:

[Edited on 11-25-2006 by comitan]

David K - 11-25-2006 at 01:04 PM

No matter how well a road or destination is described in a Baja guidebook or online, I always 'discover' something special when I go in person... as if I was the first person there.

I did not know about Las Pintas until The Baja Adventure Book came out and I have been there 4 times since reading about it... I could go back there more and still see new things and enjoy it as much.

Seeing photos or reading about someplace can not replace going there in person to really experience a site.

I was told that if I shared the location of 'Shell Island' it would ruin it... Well, it is just as great as when I first camped out there almost 30 years ago...

I also trust you Baja Nomads to take out anything you bring in, not spray grafitti on rocks, and love the place so as to preserve it as much as we can.

Baja is special and so are the people who love Baja!

shari - 11-25-2006 at 01:41 PM

One of the comments I hear the most about this little travelled part of Baja is that "It's just like the old baja" which is exactly why I love it here. I am the last person who wants this place developed but I do want to share it with true baja lovers and help bring a little needed income to the locals.

Capt. George - 11-26-2006 at 05:17 AM

ditto el vikingo de punta abreojos

fishing, lobster, abalone can support only so many. More and more ninos each passing year...

growth or lose their families to other locations in order to support themselves....happening in the US every day...

which is the better alternative? for me and my own selfish reasons, stay as it is....for the Mexicanos (whose country this is) growth is necessary..

what's your thoughts? george

vandenberg - 11-27-2006 at 12:40 PM

With all that seismic activity, let's hope it's still there in 2007.

elgatoloco - 11-27-2006 at 06:02 PM

Shari- thanks for the update on the road. Keep up the good work.

Hope the shaking stops soon.

We can't wait to return to your lovely town and enjoy the heartfelt warmth and welcome that we were fortunate to experience FIRST hand in person face to face this summer.

The best to you and Juan.

Abrazos,

M&B

oldhippie - 12-2-2006 at 07:09 AM

I'm glad to hear the road is in good shape because I'll be driving it next month.

Do you think the Starbucks and Hard Rock Cafe will be open by then? I make terrible morning coffee and keeping the Ballenas cold in the cooler is a hassle.

Shari, is there space in your B&B for me to open a small real estate office so I can sell shares in my Mexican Corporation that owns a bunch of dirt there? I also need a storage area for my rental jet skis and dirt bikes.

Don't forget to take advantage of Oldhippie's Eco Tours and Surf Camp when you're in the area. Personalized surf lessons start at $50 per hour. Hot babes in thong bikinis get 10% off.

cowabunga

Gadget - 12-2-2006 at 10:29 PM

Wow, this thread is rife with sarcasim, backbitting and it's mine, I was there first gringo mentality. Hey Norte Americanos, it's not your country. We are only visiters at the pleasure of the local governments. If they want to sell out they will. If they want to develope they will. I so much see the typical localistic mentality of I was there, now I own it. I don't like to see pavement go into my favorite spots that a long hard off road trip kept the crouds down before. But I like better the fact that local fisherman friend can make a few more pesos, keep his truck together a little longer and maybe the ninos can get on a school bus and go to a better school. If you are so blessed to own a retreat spot, then you are blessed indeed. Please make the most of the time you have there. For those of us who don't, and hope we will some day, no fair whinning about those that do. Lets just make the most of each time we get to cross the border and get away from the rodent race in the states. This is all IMHO only or course and is not directed at anyone.

[Edited on 12-3-2006 by Gadget]

"rodent race in the states" ????????

Barry A. - 12-2-2006 at 11:05 PM

That sounds really sad-------glad I never entered in THAT race. :lol: