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docthaddeus - 12-17-2006 at 07:11 PM

DON’T GO 2 MEXICO
By the Genesis Association
docthaddeus@yahoo.com

(Revised and updated on 12/11/06)


Make no mistake about it. Mexico is a lawless land that shields itself from the true reality of who and what it is by promoting beautiful vacation spots and low priced housing properties to lure unsuspecting Americans while sponsoring many United States newspapers, television and radio stations with their unlimited financial resources supported by the drug cartels, and the backbone of the country which is the Mexican mafia. All of which is enforced by the unscrupulous police and political officials who work for them by prowling the streets targeting unaware Americans, known as Gringo’s to them or walking wallets of cash.

Make no mistake about it. They can take what ever you own, or have, at anytime they want to. And that, my dear reader, includes your life, as well. In short, terrorism is everywhere, even at your back door, at your very border, and is beckoning and begging you each day to visit it through false ads of relaxation, beauty, and safety at bargain prices.

“It doesn’t take Halloween to promote a Horror story”

The following was a labor of love that turned into a nightmare. After we contributed (17) months of our labor, time and total life savings; including an entire settlement I received from a prior work injury, we, with good intentions, (foolishly) refurbished a (23) room run down mansion in Rosarito, Mexico. Our intentions were to create a free clinic for drugs/alcohol & cancer treatments through our California non-profit, “Genesis Association.” However, all of this came to a horrifying end, one day, when we were arrested, handcuffed, robbed, thrown into the bed of a police pick-up truck, and deported, with machine guns aimed at our heads by fully armed Mexican police at 3:PM in the afternoon on October 3, 2006.

All of our possessions, both personal and business, consisting of all of our life’s belongings including our cash, personal medical records, birth certificates, diploma’s, life long family picture albums, medications, eyeglasses, dentures, clothes, shoes, food, dishes, pots & pans, televisions, stereo’s, satellite systems, extensive sets of mechanical tools, complete sets of construction tools, exercise/health equipment, banking accounts, (17) years of personally written manuscripts including; screenplays, commercials, television program formats, and songs, an expanded library of books, tapes and CD’s, oil paintings, (4) computer systems containing pertinent information of our present and past businesses and contacts, (23) rooms of furniture, (2) automobiles, a Mazda MPV and a Ford 350 crew-cab dually, that we purchased for transporting patients, as well as, moving furniture and equipment, (5) automobiles, a Ford Mustang Convertible, a Jaguar XJ6, a Dodge Ram 250, a Porsche 944, and a 1975, (collectors piece), Rolls Royce-Silver Shadow, that we purchased for major repairing by our part-time mechanic and for resale to help pay the expenses of the building, etc., … you name it. It was a calculated gamble we took to turn metal into cash. What took us a lifetime to achieve and acquire was gone in a few hours of horror. Our life’s assets were confiscated. There was constant snickering and laughing by the intruders as we sat handcuffed in the back of their police truck watching them remove everything they could possibly carry from the house and spitefully load our own pick-up trucks that were parked on the road in front of the building. On one occasion, as they passed by the truck that we were handcuffed to, they uttered in broken English, “if we can not stay in your country, you gringo’s can not stay in ours,” as they began to laugh again. Within just a few hours we were whisked through their diabolical legal system removed from everything that we owned and created with our blood, sweat, and tears, and were left standing on the street in San Ysidro, California, with just the clothes on our back, no place to live, and a driver’s license; which we were told that we needed for the deportation process. The only thing they didn’t get, luckily, was a few bucks that I hid in my shoe earlier that day to pick up an old motor home. This is what we’ve been living on.

MORE BAD NEWS

Three months prior to all of this, on June 29, 2006, we had a “home invasion” at approximately 4AM while my son, daughter, and her boy friend were visiting to help us in preparing for the inspections that we needed prior to applying for our licenses and permits to open as a hospice/clinic. My daughter was robbed of everything, including her 2002 Rave 4 car, which she just purchased for her transportation from the East Coast to the West Coast and, unfortunately, was not insured in Mexico and never found thereafter, and….. she was raped during the robbery with a gun to her head. My son was beaten and robbed of everything he had. He was bound and gagged and made to stay in his bedroom or he would be killed. My daughter’s boyfriend was beaten and robbed of all he had including his guitar and told to stay in his room or they would kill him. My lady friend and associate, Kalen Davis, was beaten and robbed of her money, family heirlooms, multi-generations of hand me down jewelry, and decades of invaluable and irreplaceable collections. And me, the writer of this story, Thaddeus Zebrowski, was robbed of all my jewelry, personal money, a coin collection, a 1997 Mazda MPV van which, approximately, (2) weeks later was confiscated by the border patrol as they were trying to smuggle aliens into the U.S., a cash amount of $9,500 which had been set aside in our filing box for future lease payments on the property. Also, at that time, a Mexican doctor, who we believe was part of the robbery, was residing in one of our bedrooms, but his room was never entered. It was the only room in the entire building that was never entered. We filed a report with the Rosarito detectives but nothing ever came from it. They told my daughter that if she ever mentioned the rape that she would be arrested and never seen again. Later, we were told by the investigating detectives that the case was too hard to solve. Needless to say, my daughter, son, and their friend departed for the East Coast immediately after acquiring their plane tickets, carrying with them the scars of the ordeal that they endured while in Rosarito and said they would never return again and are now, and always will be, true advocates of cursing Mexico for destroying their lives.

On August 25, 2006, shortly after we were told by the Rosarito detectives that the case was too hard to solve, we had another “home invasion” around 12 midnight. We were asleep when we heard the main door kicked in and the internal alarm systems became active. There were too many plain clothes young men to count. They, eventually, broke through a steel door that protected our master bedroom. I managed to keep them at bay with a crossbow, which fortunately for me, they couldn’t exactly figure out what it was due to the poor lighting in the room. Through tense negotiations with one of the perpetrators who appeared to be the leader and was able to speak broken English; he had said that they were informed that our basement was a storage area for large amounts of drugs and they had to search it. I didn’t believe his story and he knew it. Seeing that this was not true, they proceeded to crash through the doors on their way out, scaled the (8’) security wall that surrounds the mansion and left in numerous vehicles resembling chevy suburbans. The next morning we reported the incident to the Rosarito detectives, but nothing ever came about from it, nor could anyone explain who they were. The detectives told me that if I wanted to know, I would have to find out for myself.

On October 2, 2006 we had another “home invasion” at approximately 10PM, just after we had retired to our bedroom. This time they crashed through a large window located on one of our balconies. The building had (7) balconies. We heard the noise and the interior alarm system went off. I, immediately, ran to the balcony off of our bedroom and began shouting through a megaphone to the neighbors. Someone must have heard me and got through to the police because we couldn’t. Every time we tried to explain who we were and where we were to the dispatcher, he would play dumb and ask us to repeat ourselves. The perpetrators, seeing that the neighbors were awakened, and curious, made their exit, but very slowly and defiantly. There didn’t appear to be more than about 3 or 4 of them in plain clothes. The uniformed police showed up around a half hour later and advised us that the perpetrators purpose was to get us. Now how they would know this, made us think. Nothing was taken from the house. We stayed up all night and waited until 8AM that morning knowing that we beat death one more time. On October 3, 2006 we made another report to the Rosarito detectives. The detectives were very reluctant, at this time, to take our complaint and would not give us a copy of it. I demanded a copy of the picture and name of the person who was driving my van, from the first robbery, when it was confiscated at the San Ysidro/Tijuana border while smuggling aliens, but I was refused and was told that they did not keep records of complaints. It was ironic how the same Mazda MPV van was stolen from me twice in (3) months. I explained to them that through my investigations that I had found out that all of these incidences involved the police. I had also taken pictures of their shoe and finger prints and had them stored on my computer at my house. That was a mistake, because that afternoon at 3:PM we were arrested, robbed, and deported by the uniformed police of Rosarito & Tijuana, and the same men who were there on August 25, 2006 in plain clothes supposedly searching for drugs.

When we try to explain to anyone and everyone that we lost everything, people just don’t understand what everything means because they’ve never suffered that kind of loss. They think that maybe we misplaced it somewhere. They can’t understand that because of this….we haven’t a home, haven’t a job, haven’t any credit, haven’t any bank accounts, haven’t proper clothing, haven’t an automobile, or any of the other things that I have mentioned in the beginning of this synopsis. Luckily, I’m a Navy Veteran of the United States and can obtain medical attention. Together, we’re senior citizens with a shattered future, if we have one at all! Not to mention that we have absolutely nothing left in our lives that proves we had existed for the past 51 and 61 years, nor do we have any historical remnants of our families and that they existed. I, personally, can’t even call my children, friends, or associates, or anyone else, because they have all of my contact phone numbers and business identification numbers. Our lives and the means to make a living have been ripped away from us. All we have left is our age, which isn’t much to brag about, as we now exist in our little motel room, sitting here in awe, knowing that in just a few more weeks we are going to have the privilege of being the next poster children, and prime candidates for California’s welfare system.

It appears to us that more emphasis and concern is placed on trivial news that is entertaining to the public and has a sense of novelty to it, and above all, increases ratings, such as: who stole the pumpkins off of someone’s lawn during Halloween, or someone adopting a child in some other country, or what movie star is getting married and what kind of clothes the invited are wearing, or a President flubbing a few words in a sentence, or a promiscuous politician, etc., etc., etc., rather than the perils that unknown, and nameless people suffer while trying to survive through life in this world, or in their quests to help or make changes within humanity and within their means. There are millions of situations and complexities in this world, but we feel that this ONE deserves to be heard because it is, after all, at our back door and concerns the welfare of ALL Americans, especially, those who are interested in investing or traveling into another country, or harms way, such as Mexico?

Our Mexican Newspaper Allies

We shared all of our invasions/robberies and complaints with Nancy Conroy, a very brave lady, indeed, of the “Gringo Gazette” which is an English written newspaper in Mexico. (nancy@gringogazettenorth.com) Nancy, the editor, was sympathetic to our ordeals and had heard and written numerous other horror stories about Americans being kidnapped and murdered. She, in so many words, said that our encounters were very bizarre because of the nature of how we were being attacked, so consecutively, and had warned us of the danger we were in because the mansion that we had refurbished to be a clinic was at one time a large meth factory built by families of the cartel and that other murders had taken place there. And, that someone must want it back. We would like to thank Nancy for keeping the gringo’s in the Rosarito/Tijuana area abreast of the truth and what’s going on and advising her readers of our perils each time they occurred.

We, who had represented the Genesis Association of California, doing charitable work in Mexico, by helping people in need, regardless of nationality, are asking what is it that we can do? We are looking for, and need, resolution to this injustice. We want to know who is willing to exercise that responsibility, in the United States, for people and organizations that need help? Is there an (actual) official office in our government that protects the citizens of the United States of injustices and terrorism from rogue authorities in other countries such as Mexico? We would like to know. We need some answers, at the very least! This was an International Crime orchestrated by Mexican authorities. And, should be solved!


ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

(To be updated weekly for public information)


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The following is a partial list of the influential entities, corporations, companies and organizations that have been notified by regular mail, e-mail, and faxes that have or not had the courtesy to respond to us, either judicially or informatively, concerning which is obviously a very serious matter, not just for us, but for the safety of all Americans.

George W. Bush, President of the U.S. (never got an answer)
State Dept. Offices of the U.S. (claimed the official in charge was deceased)
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (suggested Diane Feinstein, Senator)
F.B.I. (investigating)
William & Hilary Clinton (no answer)
Diane Feinstein (awaiting correspondence)
Barbara Boxer of United States Senate (definitely involved and cares) thank you
60 Minutes (awaiting response)
The Today Show (no answer)
Good Morning America (no answer)
Geraldo Rivera (no answer)
Brit Hume (no answer)
New York Times (awaiting answer)
Associated Press (no answer)
KOXM TV (no answer)
XETV (no answer)
KOGO (no answer)
KSWB (no answer)
KGTV (10 NEWS) Rett Lawrence (put us on the map) thank you
KFMB (no answer)
KUSI (promotes Mexican vacations, but we are awaiting their response)
KBNT (no answer)
AMERICAN EMBASSY in MEXICO (just a lawyer referral system)
MEXICAN EMBASSY in SAN DIEGO (will not get involved for gringos)
Chicano Federation (will only give you phone numbers for lawyers)
Oprah (no answer yet)
Los Angeles Times (does not want to get involved)
Presidente Vincente Fox of Mexico (has no comment)
Atty. General of Mexico (pretends to investigate and not understand me)
American Society of International Law (claims this is not what they do)
CNN Lou Dobbs (has never answered our calls)
International Alliance of Human Rights Advocates (Russell Hartsaw) are doing a
full investigation in Mexico. thank you
ACLU (I am a card carrying member but they never got back to me)
Prime Time (awaiting answer)
San Diego Union Tribune (promotes Mexico and has not responded)
Lawyers: Mexican or American (want to see money before they get involved)
CROSSROADS ASSOC. (for giving us food to live on)
JEWISH FAMILY SERVICE OF S.D. (for giving us food to live on)



REQUESTED LEGAL RESOLVEMENT




LEGAL & CIVIL ACTIONS
For 3041 C PARRAL, SANTA LUCIA, ROSARITO, BC

1. The Genesis Association and its Volunteers are asking for: the names of all the police officers involved in our illegal arrest and deportation on October 3, 2006. And, also, criminal charges, with law suites, filed against each and everyone involved including their agencies.
2. The return of all vehicles that were stolen, taken, or used, and their titles, registrations, insurances, and payment of any damages incurred or parts lost for any of the vehicles. (approximate value for all vehicles $50,000)
3. The return of all personal & business files. Including all written manuscripts, screenplays, novels, TV shows, commercials, and songs. And all non-fiction, fiction, technical and medical books, law books and business courses. (approximate value of books is $5,000) (approximate value of potential sale of written manuscripts as per SAG scale is over $3,000,000)
4. The retribution of all stolen & damaged goods including 300 VCR tapes, 200 CD’s, digital cameras, movie cameras, 35mm cameras, televisions, radio’s, tape players, satellite dishes and receivers, miscellaneous electronics, and all accessories. (approximate replacement value $20,000)
5. The return of all personal goods including clothing, linens, blankets, bedding. And all furniture, lamps, including fish tanks & accessories. All artificial plants, trees & natural plants & trees with pottery. (1) Pool table & accessories. (1) Air hockey table & accessories. Various large posters, oil paintings, plaques, mirrors, and antique collectables. All Universal gym equipment, weight sets, springs, jogging machines, rowing machines, and bicycle machines. (1) 4 man Jacuzzi. (4) Imported rugs.(approximate value $30,000)
6. The return of all (4) computers & programs & accessories, phone systems, copiers, fax machines, credit card machines, scanners, recorders, answering machines, hubs, filters, routers, modems, 2wire systems, monitors, wireless key boards, wireless mouse systems.(approximate replacement value $10,000)
7. The return of all auto/mechanical & construction tools & accessories, welding equipment, air compressors with tools & accessories, electronic equipment & accessories, plumbing tools & equipment, masonry tools & equipment, auto tune-up & repair equipment with computers. (approximate value $15,000)
8. The return of all money & jewelry. (Approximately $25,000 in cash.)
9. The re-imbursement of all expenses and loss of income incurred by the victims during exile including all expenses for legal representation.
10. The re-imbursement of all costs involved in the reconstruction of the Genesis Association Building known as 3041 C Parral, Santa Lucia, Rosarito, BC. (approximately $40,000)
11. To return all tangible items mentioned in 1 thru 9 to the United States at the cost of the Mexican government, agencies, and/or the police involved, and to supply warehousing for same. Or, replace same of equal value.
12. To file suite against all persons involved for un-returnable items.
13. To re-instate legal travel to the country of Mexico and rescind any deportation actions as a preventive measurement of further injustice by Mexican authorities.
14. To lease in the United States a building of the same size for the Genesis Association to continue its non-profit projections. A pre-paid lease of no less than (1) year with facilities to house patients and volunteers. And, to be funded by the Mexican government.
15. To restore a lifestyle for my daughter and son that was horrendously taken from them by means of terrorism, as well as, their automobile.
16. To prove to the United States that Mexico is willing to except responsibility for any injustices and crimes committed by their law enforcement personnel against American citizens, as well as, any other Nation.

Please be advised that the above might not appear to be a lot of money, with exception to the screenplays, to the average American, but it was everything that we had. And, we put it all on the line. We did it to help others. How many people would put everything they own on the line, unselfishly, like we did, to help others? If there are any, we would like to know who they are, because maybe, just maybe, they could help us. And, HELP is an understatement!

Make no mistake about it; Terrorism is at your back door.


_______________________________ _____________________________
Thaddeus C. Zebrowski Kalen Davis
(docthaddeus@yahoo.com (619) 723-6600

JESSE - 12-17-2006 at 07:17 PM

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Make no mistake about it. Mexico is a lawless land that shields itself from the true reality of who and what it is by promoting beautiful vacation spots and low priced housing properties to lure unsuspecting Americans while sponsoring many United States newspapers, television and radio stations with their unlimited financial resources supported by the drug cartels, and the backbone of the country which is the Mexican mafia.


Absolutely ridiculous, who ever wrotte this has no clue what he is talking about.

villadelfin - 12-17-2006 at 07:53 PM

Dear DocT. Mexico's president is Felipe Calderon Hinosa, since December 1, 2006. As far as the rest of what you claim happened to you, well,
my sympathies to your daughter for suffering rape.
But you say you brought prescription drugs into mexico? You imported hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, computers, rugs, luxury vehicles before you had licenses/permission to do so legally?
Did you declare that you were carrying more than $10,000 in negotiable form?

Why are you surprised that you were deported?

Mango - 12-17-2006 at 08:42 PM

My sincere condolences.

As villadelfin pointed out, it appears that you may have been in blatant violation of several Mexican laws. I suspect this was the basis of the deportation and confiscation.

However; In the future... when living in a mansion in an impoverished country I would advise selling an extra Rolls Royce, Jaguar, or Porsche to pay for some security guards or bribe a few cops for protection. It might help avoid the situation that occured.

From my experience, it is best not to flaunt wealth... and it sounds to me like the locals were seeing, "Rich gringo in the mansion, fancy cars, jewelry, electronics, etc.."

Similar things happen to wealthy people all over the world, including wealthy Mexicans in Mexico. The intruders don't really care where you are from, they just want your stuff or "their" house back. Many wealthy people in DF have bodyguards, face kidnapping, extortion, etc.. They know the reality of the situation and deal with it accordingly.

Thats just my 2 cents.

Again my sincere condolences to both you and your family. What has occured sounds horrible. I wish you and your family well and hope you are able to get some resolution.

mtgoat666 - 12-17-2006 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by docthaddeus
DON’T GO 2 MEXICO
By the Genesis Association
Thaddeus C. Zebrowski Kalen Davis


Wow.
Did you have security guards?
I know a wealthy person in TJ with mansions and car collections like yours, and they have pretty heavy security. I got the impression that living in TJ with a mansion with rolls, jags and porsches is a bit like waving a flag at the criminals and ner-do-wells; hence, security and connections are advisable for people living in a visible wealthy way.

fishbuck - 12-17-2006 at 11:14 PM

This is truly strange. Can anyone verify if any of this is true?
I have read some stories that even some of the wealthy Mexicans in TJ have problems and are trying to move out.
If there is even a grain of truth to this story it is troubling.

abreojos - 12-18-2006 at 03:24 AM

Nothing like getting slapped in the face by the cold cruel facts of life!
Since you already have experience writing screenplays, turn these lemons into lemonade. Sounds like a great movie in the making to me! Maybe Michale Moore is looking for something to do?

Minnow - 12-18-2006 at 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by docthaddeus


All of our possessions, both personal and business, consisting of all of our life’s belongings including our cash, personal medical records, birth certificates, diploma’s, life long family picture albums, medications, eyeglasses, dentures, clothes, shoes, food, dishes, pots & pans, televisions, stereo’s, satellite systems, extensive sets of mechanical tools, complete sets of construction tools, exercise/health equipment, banking accounts, (17) years of personally written manuscripts including; screenplays, commercials, television program formats, and songs, an expanded library of books, tapes and CD’s, oil paintings, (4) computer systems containing pertinent information of our present and past businesses and contacts, (23) rooms of furniture, (2) automobiles, a Mazda MPV and a Ford 350 crew-cab dually, that we purchased for transporting patients, as well as, moving furniture and equipment, (5) automobiles, a Ford Mustang Convertible, a Jaguar XJ6, a Dodge Ram 250, a Porsche 944, and a 1975, (collectors piece), Rolls Royce-Silver Shadow, that we purchased for major repairing by our part-time mechanic and for resale to help pay the expenses of the building, etc., … you name it. It was a calculated gamble we took to turn metal into cash. What took us a lifetime to achieve and acquire was gone in a few hours of horror. Our life’s assets were confiscated. There was constant snickering and laughing by the intruders as we sat handcuffed in the back of their police truck watching them remove everything they could possibly carry from the house and spitefully load our own pick-up trucks that were parked on the road in front of the building.
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How can they steal bank accounts, or were just your records of your account numbers taken? Seems to me you could still walk into the branch you had your accounts and obtain your money?

This story is true, and has been well documented in the gringo.

We don't know if this guy paid import duty on these things, so don't automaticly label him a criminal. They were however, based on appearances it seems, living like rich gringos.

It is also obvious, by the way the guy writes that he went into the police station and "demanded" copies of his police reports, that he rubbed some people the wrong way. Hell, the way his report is written rubbed me the wrong way and I have sympathy for what he and his family went through. I wonder what his screen plays are like?

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 08:23 AM

docthaddeus I am very sorry to here what all you have gone through in the past months. but I am very Happy that you posted it here. this is the kind of post that we all can learn from. the first thing I would do is get in touch withe the Charity that you were working with and see if they can help you get your life back together .

your post did raise a lot of questions so even though you wrote allot I hope you will add more info when you can. the more info you post here the better chance someone will think of some thing to help you.

one question I have is. Was the Immigration involved with your Deportation?

toneart - 12-18-2006 at 11:30 AM

Google shows that he is a writer and science fiction editor. No listing for his charity, Genesis Association, other than the post that appears on this board. The same post was also sent to many different agencies.

If the events depicted in this post are true, he sure found a way to p**s off the wrong people! It is scary. It is not hard to find bad experiences in Tijuana, and in all of Mexico. It helps to be aware and to try to avoid them. This board is full of reported pitfalls and how to avoid them. Cultural sensitivity and knowledge of how the political system works will go a long way toward keeping you out of trouble. If the events are not true, I cannot imagine what his agenda could be for his post.

I did the Google search because there is something that strikes me as not quite right. I am not saying that The Genesis Associationis not legitimate, but it is strange that there is no information about it on the web.

To wend your way through the maze of legal and political structure without stepping on toes is probably impossible. It is possible to align the right forces in order to move forward with a project of this magnitude, but that takes a lot of diplomatic savvy, and.........money. It would appear that Doc Thaddeus did not possess this kind of moxie. Another put off for me is that he was striving to open a charitable medical clinic. Referring to oneself as "Doc" does not exactly inspire confidence.

Then, his in-your-face writing style literally makes me step back from the force of his breath. That was my departure point for doing my detective work.

If these horrible things did happen to him and his family I can certainly understand his outrage. If they did happen, hopefully he can learn from the experience and subsequent advice so that he can proceed in his quest for justice more diplomatically and intelligently. I think, by now, the big picture is apparent to him.

The wolf needs sheep to feed on in order to live another day to feed. That is his purpose, and surely, the next sheep will come along.

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 11:53 AM

there are allot of things that don't add up in the article and I to have reservations. these people obviously made many critical mistakes that I can see just from there writing. and I wonder about the people that were advising them in there endeavors. but I am going to withhold judgment until they post more information.

Phil S - 12-18-2006 at 12:06 PM

I also must say, how unfortunate an experience to "live through". My heart goes out to you & your family. Some good points made by the "responders". A 'screen writer'? What a plot for a movie. Or a mystery novel. Drug rehab center for an area known for their 'drug problems"? As a member of a drug cartel might say, "we don't need a rehab center, run by a bunch of gringo's. Close it down!!!!!! So a call to their "pals" in the police dept. If I were living in that area, I'd think I'd be installing a 'concealed' movie camera right away. There would be my proof if this were to happen to me. I'd also not hire a 'local' to do the installation. I would bring someone from the states who has this knowledge and access to the equipment. And offer him/her a free weekend 'across the border' in exchange for the time away from home. You paying for all the costs involved, obviously.
If he doesn't respond to the questions asked. I'd then decide it wasn't real.
Maybe while I'm typing this, he's responded. We'll see. Kind of scary, huh??
Makes the 'hi rise's' make more sense. I don't blame anyone for wanting to enjoy this wonderful culture. I have a Mexican neighbor here who because of the crime in TJ moved his family to San Diego, just because of what's going on just below the border.
I anxiously await your reply, Dr.

Cypress - 12-18-2006 at 12:56 PM

:(Freaky situation.:(

aquaholic - 12-18-2006 at 01:42 PM

...I had the same feeling from the article that Toneart had. A non-profit 501(c3) organization would have turned up many hits on Google. Something else that caught my attention was that they had spent 17 months and a lot of money on a property that was leased...it seems that they had not done proper research into permits, etc. for what they were trying to do. That said, the ordeal descriibed would have been hard to endure and I can understand his bitterness. Do any Nomads from the Rosarito area have any independant knowledge of these happenings..???

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 01:42 PM

Goggle gets me Results of about 1,880,000 for the Genesis Association. but I can not connect any to this person or any project in Mexico.

http://www.genesis.org.ge/
I don't think this is them.

Also cant find where they were registered in Mexico to do business.

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by aquaholic
...I had the same feeling from the article that Toneart had. A non-profit 501(c3) organization would have turned up many hits on Google. Something else that caught my attention was that they had spent 17 months and a lot of money on a property that was leased...it seems that they had not done proper research into permits, etc. for what they were trying to do. That said, the ordeal descriibed would have been hard to endure and I can understand his bitterness. Do any Nomads from the Rosarito area have any independant knowledge of these happenings..???



I have not been able to find any thing in the gringo gazette ether

Capt. George - 12-18-2006 at 01:57 PM

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!!

somebody get my (hip) boots...knee boots not deep enough.

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 01:58 PM

I've been very busy writing to most of the national magazines. I want to take a few minutes here to correct some people on what they thought they had read in many of the above captions.
1. All the cars were in bad condition and brought to Mexico for repairs and then to sell to help pay the bills for the Genesis building.
2. We used all the money we had to rebuild this mansion/clinic, including the money that I received from a injury settlement.
3. Hind sight is always 20/20
4. Anyone who doesn't believe that the mexican mafia does not run that country is an idiot.
5. Amost everything that I brought into Mexico was through Otay Border and I did pay import on it.
6. I never brought drugs into Mexico. The sound of it echo's a stupid accusation. People bring drugs into the States not into Mexico.
7. We didn't have hundreds of thousands dollars in equipment. We were awaiting donations from the States.
8. Yes, there is a Genesis Association and it is registered in the State of California as a charity organization. Because our services were going to be free.
9. What is left of our web site can be seen at: genesis-mexico.com
10. The way they came in and got us in the middle of the day would have overcome any security system or guards that we could have had.
11. We did not violate any law of Mexico in repairing a run down mansion for the purpose of making a clinic/hospice.
I have more to say, but I must get back to my quest of catching the criminals involved in destroying my life. And, in closing, I would like to thank the people who understand me.

[Edited on 12-19-2006 by docthaddeus]

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 02:10 PM

we want more info not a fight . there are a lot of good people here with thousands of years of experience with legal problems here in Mexico and it can be good resource for you if you will work with us and not jump on the defensive here. give us more info and see what happens.

fishbuck - 12-18-2006 at 02:50 PM

This is very interesting. It is popular on this site to blame the victim. But if we can stick to the facts maybe we can all benefit from this man's experience.
As I understand it, all of his property was confiscated and he was deported. Was he ever charged for any crime?
If that is the case isn't any foreign person subject to the same treatment?
Can they just decide they don't like you and take your stuff. What legal recourse does this man have?

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 02:53 PM

1 are you legal to do business in Mexico?

2 were the cars legally imported in to Mexico?

3 do you have a FM3 with work permit?

4 are you a non profit org. in Mexico? If so why are you trying to sell cars?

5 Did you own or Lease the land that the house was on?

6 Did you have a lawyer or accountant advising you on your project?

7 was the Mexican immigration involved in your deportation?

.............A did you have an Immigration hearing?

.............B were you represented by a Lawyer?

.............C Did they provide you with an interpreter?

.............D did you sign any papers that you did not read and understand fully?

8 were you served any papers regarding any of this in the past?

9 were you charged with any crimes?

............A did you go to any hearings on the charges?
10 can you give me any details on how you were deported?






[Edited on 12-18-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 03:32 PM

There are many social assistance businesses coming into the area. Most I have seen are into drug rehab and they seem to tend to the problems of U.S. connected individuals. Desperate individuals. I knew one. He went into a program in Maneadero and transfered to San Felipe. He, with others in the program, spent their days digging through trash cans behind reataurants and grocery stores for discarded food. This was their job in support of their community. A.A. would minister to their moral needs and deficiencies.

This reminded me of the board-and-care industry in the states. Needy individuals, often mentally ill, are piled up in a house and fed as much pasta as one can hold. The operators of these business, with their contracts with the county, are so well subsidised that they buy more houses and do it again and again.

Somebody is subsidising these businesses which are popping up all over the place here. Probably a county or state in the U.S.
This guy above isn't making his efforts out of altruism. He's doing it for profit. He needs money to fix up those junky Porsches and Rolls Royces.

I'm sorry for his daughter's terrible experience, if it happened. I don't believe anything else he says so, why would I believe that?

I lived in Rosarito for a couple of years and don't ever remember seeing a run-down mansion anywhere.

My call is.......... A giant load of crap.

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 05:10 PM

If that house is run down, my house is trash.

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 05:19 PM

Larry --------
Probably so. If it was used as an instrument in an unlegalized activity.
If you opened a tire shop without proper papers, it would be reasonable to assume that your shop, tools and all, would fall into the hands of the authorities.

Cincodemayo - 12-18-2006 at 05:27 PM

They even offered sweedish massage! If it was a good looking Sweedish gal what the heck! I'd plead the fifth.....

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 05:32 PM

Yeah ....... Rosarito Beach is over-run with Swedes but, you have to go to Papas 'n Beer to find them.

SDRonni - 12-18-2006 at 05:35 PM

This is the link to the article.....

http://gringogazettenorth.com/4.htm

SDRonni - 12-18-2006 at 05:37 PM

Oops, sorry, wrong page. This is the right one.....

http://gringogazettenorth.com/5.htm

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 05:41 PM

there were four or five articles written about the Zebrowski saga in the gringo gazette. i will try to find them for you by contacting nancy.
furthermore, what constitutes a rag sheet in your eyes. derogatory remarks can also be found in the sunday union tribune on page (a25) the week in mexico.

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 05:56 PM

the house you see in the picture was the finished product of all the work that was done to it. the web site is genesis-mexico.com it was after it looked that good, that someone wanted it back. afterall, it wasn't the owners money that fixed it. it was mine.

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 05:59 PM

this is for fishbuck. if i was actually charged with a crime that i committed. i would be in their prison now. think about it.

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 06:02 PM

for dennis: the place never opened for business because i never got a chance to get the permits or inspections. because........... i was arrested and deported.

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 06:04 PM

I remember reading that article. It didn't hold water then.
If he in fact bought the mansion/house, he would have to have been legal in one aspect or another, FM3 with a fidecomiso or corporation. He mentions neither.
His deportation scenario doesn't wash either. I was deported and I'm familiar with the procedure. He doesn't mention any dealings with immigration or their hand in the deportation. What he mentions is an ejection by some nebulous police department.
This is total BS. It doesn't work this way.

I hate slander as we see it here. Unknowing, unstudied nonsense.
I like studied and refined slander. It makes sense.

But, this guy doesn't.

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 06:06 PM

this is for dennis: if you haven't seen any run down or unfinished buildings in rosarito, i feel sorry for you. your aka must be ray charles.

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 06:10 PM

docthaddeus---------

Your name implies a doctorate. Do you have one?

jerry - 12-18-2006 at 06:17 PM

hea doc why havent you addressed bruces questions??

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 06:21 PM

Larry ----
I know it to be true in practice. I had an aquaintance who had a data base business in Ensenada, illegal, with about twenty work stations.
Lost it all and there is a warrent for his arrest so he wont contest the ownership of the property.

By the way, you are correct. Dont assume to know the laws of Mexico, especially if you're not in a position to buy the decision.

villadelfin - 12-18-2006 at 06:47 PM

Quote:
deported, with machine guns aimed at our heads by fully armed Mexican police at 3M in the afternoon on October 3, 2006. .. The only thing they didn’t get, luckily, was a few bucks that I hid in my shoe earlier that day to pick up an old motor home. This is what we’ve been living on.


DocT:
You came here looking for advice and support, yes?
It's just that your postings sound like off center ranting rather than what I assume is your objective. The gringo gazette says you are living in a San Diego hotel room. What size shoes do you have, that hold enough cash for you to live in even a budget hotel for over two and a half months?

Could you maybe try to win our confidence first before going off?
Bruce has some darned good questions, that if answered, will help us to help you.

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 06:57 PM

docthaddeus I have sent you 2 emails offering to help and you have not replied at all. also you haven't tried to answer any of the questions I asked you. How much do you really want help? and what is your reason for posting this here if you don't want help???????

Minnow - 12-18-2006 at 07:41 PM

I have to concurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Doc, either answer Bruce's questions, and even better get your daughter on line to help out, or this discussion cannot go on. We want to help.......but??????????????????

Oso - 12-18-2006 at 07:43 PM

ATTENTION all persons contemplating a trip to Mexico who have not as yet been there: Please heed this person's advice. STAY AWAY! Stay far, far away. Don't go!

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 07:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oso
ATTENTION all persons contemplating a trip to Mexico who have not as yet been there: Please heed this person's advice. STAY AWAY! Stay far, far away. Don't go!



Ohhhhhhhh you want it all to your self:lol:

Larry!

Baja Bernie - 12-18-2006 at 08:13 PM

No offense, but where are you headed.

BajaNomad - 12-18-2006 at 08:18 PM

I spoke with docthaddeus by telephone this evening. Was given some further information - and I'll see what, if anything, I can verify.

California registered charities can be searched for here:
http://partners.guidestar.org/partners/cadoj/

Bajagypsy - 12-18-2006 at 08:26 PM

All I want to know is the size of those 23 rooms in that house. Were they 4' x 4' each? The house doesn't look like it is more than 1600 square feet.

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 08:30 PM

Are we seeing the same three story house?

Bajagypsy - 12-18-2006 at 08:34 PM

It looks like it is mostly garage on the ground floor. I just don't think it is a mansion, by any stretch of the imagination, we have bigger houses in our neighbourhood, and they are by know means mansions. I don't see how you would fit 23 rooms in there.

DENNIS - 12-18-2006 at 08:38 PM

Yeah ---- I see what you mean. Must be lots of broom closets.

Bajagypsy - 12-18-2006 at 08:40 PM

Well in that case I actually have a 21 room house:P

And end

Dave - 12-18-2006 at 09:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Bruce's questions are a good start...


"Did you have an FM3?"

If no, all other questions are pointless.

docthaddeus - 12-18-2006 at 10:23 PM

unlike many opinionators trying to undermine my goals and intentions for justice, and have nothing else to do in their lives but chit chat about a subject/situation that they know nothing about, i , on the other hand, have to get some rest for another day. by the way, if you really want to ask me something, why don't you just call me. i posted my phone number. would you do that? there isn't a question that i can't answer. some people can't handle the truth, can you? some people can dish it out, but can't take it, can you? TALK TO YOU TOMORROW. THADDEUS

fishbuck - 12-19-2006 at 01:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
this is for fishbuck. if i was actually charged with a crime that i committed. i would be in their prison now. think about it.

I think if you were charged with a crime, even if you didn't commit it, that you would be in their prison right now. How come your not?
What crime were you charged with and what were the grounds to deport you? On what grounds did they confiscate your property?
I'm not doubting you like some of my fellow nomads. I am very curious to know some facts in this case.
I personally have never had 1 problem in baja. That includes flying light aircraft all around and several driving trips. I also have invested in property. How did things go so wrong for you? How did it happen?

aquaholic - 12-19-2006 at 08:12 AM

...I'm wondering why, if the manuscripts were worth so much money, they weren't sold to raise funds rather than fixing up old cars...???

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 08:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
unlike many opinionators trying to undermine my goals and intentions for justice, and have nothing else to do in their lives but chit chat about a subject/situation that they know nothing about, i , on the other hand, have to get some rest for another day. by the way, if you really want to ask me something, why don't you just call me. i posted my phone number. would you do that? there isn't a question that i can't answer. some people can't handle the truth, can you? some people can dish it out, but can't take it, can you? TALK TO YOU TOMORROW. THADDEUS




docthaddeus I am trying to help you but you will not respond to my emails or answer any of the questions that I asked. and yet you have plenty of time to try and pick a fight with the people here. it sounds to me like you were illegally deported from Mexico. if so you can come back here and fight for your property if you want. but I need more info to give to my Lawyer so he can advise.

shari - 12-19-2006 at 08:30 AM

Just a note about deportation and crime charges...I have seen it happen here that instead of putting gringos in jail for their crimes they would rather they just leave the country so immigration usually helps them do this by way of deportation. By the way anyone can call immigration and report you and make up some c-ckamamey story about you and without ever investigating it, they can and will give you 24 hours to leave mexico. If the caller/complainer is a wealthy mexican you don't stand a chance at getting justice or pleading your case. It happened to me before and I wanted an investigation and hire a lawyer to clear my name and immigration told me just to pay the fine and forget it...which I did by the way. There is a 3 strikes you're out policy too so if you get complaints about you they can deport you. Immigration is used instead of putting some in jail....cheaper, easier and the problem goes away faster.
So you must mind your P's and Q's here, be nice, get legal and don't rock the boat.

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 08:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
Just a note about deportation and crime charges...I have seen it happen here that instead of putting gringos in jail for their crimes they would rather they just leave the country so immigration usually helps them do this by way of deportation. By the way anyone can call immigration and report you and make up some c-ckamamey story about you and without ever investigating it, they can and will give you 24 hours to leave mexico. If the caller/complainer is a wealthy mexican you don't stand a chance at getting justice or pleading your case. It happened to me before and I wanted an investigation and hire a lawyer to clear my name and immigration told me just to pay the fine and forget it...which I did by the way. There is a 3 strikes you're out policy too so if you get complaints about you they can deport you. Immigration is used instead of putting some in jail....cheaper, easier and the problem goes away faster.
So you must mind your P's and Q's here, be nice, get legal and don't rock the boat.



shari this person need legal advice. and in fact they have put out pleas for legal help on other sites. I have spent many hours on this I have talked to immigration and to my lawyer and countless other people but with only the information that the posted and them refusing to help me to help them I can do no more. if this Doc person dose not come up with anything soon I will give up. I like to help people but there are some that you just cant help.

bajalou - 12-19-2006 at 08:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
Immigration is used instead of putting some in jail....cheaper, easier and the problem goes away faster.


Just like the USofA

jerry - 12-19-2006 at 09:27 AM

in my opinion this guy is way over the edge on importance if you want answers call me i listed my number?? thats not asking for help it showing how important he is and belittling the people who have wasted thier time in good fath trying to help him

Minnow - 12-19-2006 at 10:08 AM

Wrap this guys attitude up with what Shari says and you will probably come up with a clear picture as to why what happened happened. Talk about rocking the boat. I cannot imagine walking into a Mexican police station and demanding anything. He probably then went to all sorts of different officials with various accusations. He had the opposite of Pizza Insurance, more like a big red bullseye.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 10:56 AM

Quote:
Were you paying attention?
Regards-- Larry


The sheer volume of questions tendered in this thread has to be overwhelming to Ted. Especially to a guy who is living in a motel room using a $130 computer that he picked up at a yard sale. Not to mention the fact that he's burdened with having to use the snail-like dial up connection. Talk about loathsome! Some of you people here need to think and think again before you "talk." Especially those of you who are fortunate enough to have a DSL or cable connection. Think back to the day when you had to deal with the pitiful aspect of dial up. So get off of his back, Larry!! :mad:

Either people like you aren't paying attention or you have no empathy whatsoever. Note to all of you in this thread, a large cattle-call of posters, who are vying for Ted's attention: Pick up the phone and dial Ted's number for crying out loud! Don't be afraid, he doesn't bite!! All you have to do is enter a few digits into a dialpad. It's not rocket science!! :rolleyes:

Follow this simple, time tested formula: Just be polite, say hello, and ask him if he has a moment to spare. Try it, that'll work wonders!! :spingrin:

You should thank Ted for doing something that is about as common as seeing a snowball in hell: A poster who gave out his personal phone number (his cell phone number of all things) on a discussion forum in a thread that is bound to spark controversy, skepticism, disgust, hate and ridicule. You'll have to wait another 20 years before you ever see that happening again! And by the way, if you don't think his narrative hasn't sparked any hate, just ask Ted about some of the emails he's received! :O

And get this...his username is not a Cyberspace psuedonym, it's his real world name! The merits and detriments of using your real world name as an Internet username are debatable, as would be any dialogue about the state of your sanity. But that is something I'll let everyone else debate amongst themselves.

So sack it up, be a man, or a woman, and give him a call...if you can afford to call San Diego, California. You can afford to make a phone call to San Diego, now can't ya? It would be alot better--and far faster--asking Ted your 20,000 questions live on the phone as opposed to expecting him to labor over a keyboard all day long just to appease everyone here. And when he answers your questions c'mon back here in a hurry and report what he said, because it's obvious some of your fellow community members in this thread are on the edge of their seats. You can be a hero just like Paul Revere was! :lol:

It's just not reasonable to expect Ted to dedicate all of his waking hours mollifying every single poster on a discussion forum in a thread of this magnitude. I don't care how advanced technology is, this form of communciation is one of the worst kinds out there for facilitating discussions! Keep in mind we're using a silent form of communciation, one of the worst types in existence when you compare it to a conversation that uses a phone system, or sitting around talking over lunch at Denny's. The gaps in sorting out details and facts and getting the true perspective of a story are as wide as a valley in the Grand Canyon when communicating via keyboard. All of you should keep that in mind before you slam him, AND before you put yourself in his corner for that matter. As President Ronald Reagan once said, "trust and then verify." :cool:

And be polite to him when you talk to him on the phone because you just might be surprised at how far a little common courtesy and politeness will take you in this world! Ted's phone number is in his thread starter, at the very bottom of his post. Are you paying attention, Larry? :rolleyes:

Merry Christmas, Felice Navidad and Happy Holidays!! :yes:

P.S. Be sure to ask Ted about the Swedish guy who saw Ted's telephone number on the Internet, and called him all the way from Switzerland. The same guy who went through the same thing Larry did, and is now in the process of trying to recover the many thousands of dollars worth of possessions that the police in Mexico stole from him. Don't you just love the big, wide, wonderful world of the Internet? :yes:


[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Sackmaster]

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 10:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Minnow
Wrap this guys attitude up with what Shari says and you will probably come up with a clear picture as to why what happened happened. Talk about rocking the boat. I cannot imagine walking into a Mexican police station and demanding anything. He probably then went to all sorts of different officials with various accusations. He had the opposite of Pizza Insurance, more like a big red bullseye.


I am begin to think you are right. I cant verify anything here except that the Gringo gazette published their story which doesn't mean anything because they will print any good story with firs verifying it. I was hoping Doug would come up with something but I guess he is having about as good of luck as I have. If there is any truth in there original post then they made many mistakes. and with out any more info I would say that it is a typical case of a person coming from the USA and starting a big project with out any good advice or listening to anyone. I have seen this many times in the years I have been in Mexico and with similar results. these people make up there own rules and expect Mexico to fallow them.

I take grate offense to there opening paragraph.

Make no mistake about it. Mexico is a lawless land that shields itself from the true reality of who and what it is by promoting beautiful vacation spots and low priced housing properties to lure unsuspecting Americans while sponsoring many United States newspapers, television and radio stations with their unlimited financial resources supported by the drug cartels, and the backbone of the country which is the Mexican mafia. All of which is enforced by the unscrupulous police and political officials who work for them by prowling the streets targeting unaware Americans, known as Gringo’s to them or walking wallets of cash.

as they found out Mexico dose have laws and some times very creative was of using them.

at this point I am going to withdraw my offer to help Doc . and declare this whole thing a Hoax. this is the second time this week that I have been had but the gringo Gazette got it to so I feel better:lol:

aquaholic - 12-19-2006 at 11:11 AM

SACKMASTER: The whole reason for this forum is that the participants ALL LOVE spending time in Baja. To start an entry by bashing Mexico/Baja, gets off on the wrong foot. Most of those on this forum would do anything to help in any way possible if someone has a problem, but we need to know the details of the problem we're helping with. Swatting the hornet's nest and then expecting the hornets to make nice isn't going to work with many around here...

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
at this point I am going to withdraw my offer to help Doc . and declare this whole thing a Hoax. this is the second time this week that I have been had but the gringo Gazette got it to so I feel better:lol:



San Diego's KGTV (10 NEWS) Rett Lawrence, an ABC network affiliate broadcaster, did a story on Ted, the author of this threads thread starter. And now Mr. Lawrence has a bounty on his head. Meaning that there are some Mexican national officials who would like to see Mr. Lawrence dead for having broadcast Ted's story.

KFMB 760AM's Rick Roberts, who did a series of stories on the Donald Kraft tragedy, has stated in public that he too has a bounty on his head, as mandated by certain Mexican national "officials."

If you even utter the name "Donald Kraft" around a Mexican national tourist representative, you will be immediately ostracized out of the room, to say the least. :( :fire:


http://www.10news.com/digitalcorrespondents/10019682/detail....

http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/kraftdies990906.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/UScrashvitimsransom9911...

bajalou - 12-19-2006 at 11:54 AM

Bruce asked about 10 very specific questions - answering these questions to all of the posters on this board makes lots more sense that everyone on it calling to find out the answers. When you "Go Public" with something, you need to answer the questions in public also.

Minnow - 12-19-2006 at 11:59 AM

Maybe Ted can take the time to answer one question here.

Did he have and FM3?

Minnow - 12-19-2006 at 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajalou
Bruce asked about 10 very specific questions - answering these questions to all of the posters on this board makes lots more sense that everyone on it calling to find out the answers. When you "Go Public" with something, you need to answer the questions in public also.


Exactly. Seems like he does not like those questions, so they invented 20,000 more that were not asked.

Cypress - 12-19-2006 at 12:03 PM

My sympathy goes out to docthaddeus. He's definitely got problems, either real, imagined or fabricated.:o:( Whatever the case may be?:(

Minnow - 12-19-2006 at 12:08 PM

Cypress, I really believe all this stuff happened. It is a shame, especially the rape of his daughter. I don't want to say he brought it on himself, However the circumstances surrounding it seem strange. I remember reading in the gringo the story of the first breakin. I don't remember reading about the rape though.

fdt - 12-19-2006 at 12:25 PM

All in all I still prefer the Bill Kitto story

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by aquaholic
SACKMASTER: The whole reason for this forum is that the participants ALL LOVE spending time in Baja. To start an entry by bashing Mexico/Baja, gets off on the wrong foot. Most of those on this forum would do anything to help in any way possible if someone has a problem, but we need to know the details of the problem we're helping with. Swatting the hornet's nest and then expecting the hornets to make nice isn't going to work with many around here...



Wow. Whatta riposte. Especially considering that Ted's daughter was raped. I guess you expect Ted's first post should be about where one can expect to find the nicest coffee shops in Tijuana. Would that have been the proper way for Ted to approach the board? :rolleyes:

I love the time that I spend in Baja, too. But I'm not blinded by love!

A person like you is looking for signs of credibility from a person like Ted, right? And to you someone would have alot more credibility if they had a post count of 500. Or 1000. Or maybe more. That's how it is in discussion forums, the more posts you have, the more credible you are in the world of Cyberspace discussion forums. In reality that form of credibility is about as effective as using a crystal ball to predict the next large earthquake that destroys half of San Francisco.

Let me explain something about Ted. Ted is a newbie to the world of Internet discussion forums. The word "newbie" originated in the world of Cyberspace. It's used to define people like Ted or anyone new to computers or computer related entities. I saw Ted's narrative on Craigslist a few days ago, and as someone who has an interest in the Tijuana area, I decided to give Ted a call. I forwarded the link to this forum to Ted via email. And it was then that I found out that he had never been in a discussion forum before. I learned that he was not aware of the following terms that we all take for granted:

--"newbie"

--"thread"

--"thread starter"

--"post"

--"post count"

--"hijacking a thread"

--"username"

--"flame" or "flaming"

For the people out there who are snickering and feeling smug I say this: Every day thousands if not millions of people log onto the Internet for their very first time. So lets all be cognizant of that and do what we can to help get these rookies get up to speed, okay? Because it's the Internet and the Internet rocks. You rock it and I rock it, we all rock it. Hopefully for the better. And because we were all dummies at one time or another. Hell, I'm still a dummy in a few departments of computer operation.

As for your comments, Aquaholic, I say this:

--if you're perturbed by the dire nature of this thread, and you're looking for a halcyonic thread that plays dance music, serves up champagne and smells like roses, just hit the back browser button on your computer and go to another thread. Why come into this thread to chastise a man who's graying, who's in the last stage of his life going downhill faster than a young buck wearing track shoes, has lost all of his worldly possessions, and whose daughter was raped with the complicity of the Mexican police? That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. What are you thinking?

--based on what you said, Aquaholic, I predict this thread to soon be deleted and wiped off the face of the map. There are some people who have a monetary interest in Baja, and they may exert pressure on the webmaster to kill this thread and wipe it out of existence. I fully expect that to happen. Just my humble opinon, folks, and of course I might be wrong.

Meaning that I can't tell you for sure if the San Diego Chargers are going to go all the way to the Super Bowl in Miami in Feburary of 2007. Sorry. :( :?:

Now, in speaking to Ted I know that there's one thing that he'd like to know, something that I can't help him answer. Maybe there's a lawyer out there who's experienced with international law that can help Ted answer this question, a question that he'd really appreciate an answer to:

Would it be possible for Ted to sue the Mexican government using an American lawyer here in the United States to help recover some of his lost assets?

If any of you can give him an answer to that question, it would be of great help, I'm sure. ;)




[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Sackmaster]

Cypress - 12-19-2006 at 01:01 PM

Sue the same govt. that's guilty of all those accusations?:?: You bet!:o Expect the lawyers will be fighting over that gravey train!:lol::lol:

Bajagypsy - 12-19-2006 at 01:10 PM

Sackmaster,

I have not found that the number of posts a person has is a sign of credibility, it is the content of the posts, and the tone that it is posted.

Since you seem to have so much knowledge of the situation, maybe you could anwer some of the nomads questions, as it appears, that you are not burdened with having to use a snail like dial up connection.

Cincodemayo - 12-19-2006 at 01:25 PM

Talking about credibility...What does Sackmaster refer to?:lol:

Interesting

DianaT - 12-19-2006 at 01:29 PM

My first reactions to the first post were--

1. Blame the victim---something I hate so I tried to not do that
2. Dismiss it all as crap----too easy to do
3. Wonder about how he conducted business---legal or not

What keeps coming back to me now is why no answer to only the one question----FM3

I would still like to think that the violence that happened was not real---no one, no matter what deserves that.

As usual, Bruce was so willing to jump in and help, so why were the questions not answered? And to assume that just anyone can call is not reasonable. For Bruce and some of the others who live in Baja, who could have been of assistance, it is not a local call.

Over and over I have seen people on the board go out of their way to help others in need, but it can't be a one-way transaction.

I sincerely hope it all works out well.

Diane

fishbuck - 12-19-2006 at 01:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajagypsy
Sackmaster,

I have not found that the number of posts a person has is a sign of credibility, it is the content of the posts, and the tone that it is posted.

Since you seem to have so much knowledge of the situation, maybe you could anwer some of the nomads questions, as it appears, that you are not burdened with having to use a snail like dial up connection.

Ya, I was hoping the same. This board seems to have more than it's share of flamers and wisecrackers. Please tell Thadieus not to take it personally. Just ignore it.
Sackmaster, I applaud you for stepping up in defense of this man. I too love Baja but feel it's important to know when things like this happen.
Please excuse the skepticism and enlighten us with any factual information you may have. It's possible that some mutually beneficial information may surface.

[Edited on 12-19-2006 by fishbuck]

sock puppet

k1w1 - 12-19-2006 at 01:30 PM

sackmeister, you forgot the one applicable forum term: sock puppet! seee ya

comitan - 12-19-2006 at 01:51 PM

My reply to all of this is that the man did not follow the laws of Mexico and he lost now he is bitter, that is what I will believe unless proven otherwise. Hearsay is hearsay.

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 02:31 PM

all we can comment on is speculation unless we are given facts. when this person refuses Help and wont provide any facts I think he loses all creditability. he forced this thread in this direction and he has the ability to turn it around and get some good help.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 02:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck

Ya, I was hoping the same. This board seems to have more than it's share of flamers and wisecrackers. Please tell Thadieus not to take it personally. Just ignore it.
Sackmaster, I applaud you for stepping up in defense of this man. I too love Baja but feel it's important to know when things like this happen.
Please excuse the skepticism and enlighten us with any factual information you may have. It's possible that some mutually beneficial information may surface.

[Edited on 12-19-2006 by fishbuck]



I'll be talking to him again tonight and when I do I'll tell him to check in on his thread. Wether or not he chooses to do so is up to him. He has some good stories to share. He lived in Playas for one year in a killer apartment that overlooked the ocean before he moved to Rosarito Beach.

You should ask him about the time he was in his car (or truck, i can't remember which) and a pizza delivery driver on a motorcycle came from out of nowhere and nailed the side of his car. The cops all came from out of the woodwork to implicate him for "wrongdoing." It was on the road that runs right next to the boardwalk in Playas, near the Tijuana bullring.

Or the time he was driving in his car with his woman and the Mexican cops pulled him over to the side of the road. They ordered his woman to get out of the car and come sit in the police car. They then told Ted that they wanted 50 bucks from him or they would take his woman to jail. They hadn't done anything wrong. There was no need for the cops to take his woman away, albeit temporarily. And there was no need for them to have pulled him over in the first place, other than for "driving while American." As someone who has spent alot of time driving around TJ, I know how that goes, what to expect, and how to handle that type of situation. :cool:

I wouldn't blame Ted if he doesn't come back to this thread. Especially when you have people dishing out idiotic assertions about things like "sock puppets" and whatnot. I actually told Ted to that if I registered and came on board to share a few anecdotes that someone here would accuse me of being the real life Ted, to give himself support. They would assert this because I have only a few posts under my belt, just like Ted. People smell a rat when that happens, I've seen that happen many times before in a discussion forum. I'm not dismissing the application of that suspicion, as in some cases it is very much warranted. And sometimes that rat is real, while at other times like this one, the rat is a figment of their imagination. And in this case that would be a poster who calls themself "k1w1."

Sock puppet...lol!!!

Like I told Ted,

"You might gain some good info by posting your lengthy narrative in an Internet discussion forum, or it might be a complete waste of time. There's alot of junk, idiocy and bad behavor that can manifest itself in a thread. Sometimes it's a little like a virtual gangfight. And that's just a waste of time! Since all you have to do is copy and paste your thread starter to a page, you might as well give it a shot, stand back and see what happens. You never know, someone might read it a year from now and provide you with something useful. Even if the results aren't favorable to you personally, you just might help another person out. That person might be a forum member or a lurker looking in on the thread from Nebraska. I'll be watching the threads progression from a distance." I had to tell Ted what a lurker was. No big deal, at one time I didn't know what a lurker was either. :D

It wasn't until I saw everyone b-tching about his inattention to this thread that I felt compelled to remind people that the man was big enough--or crazy enough--to post his real phone number. The same people who were overlooking the fact that his daughter was raped. The same people who were overlooking the fact that a local television station, an ABC network affiliate, featured his story on local TV here in San Diego.

In an earlier post I made note of the lack of empathy some of you were displaying. I'll have to stop and pause for a moment and administer a little empathy of my own. Having said that, I'm sure alot of you are disappointed about Ted not answering all of your many questions. Give him time, maybe he'll get back to this thread when he's able to. But you can't expect him to answer all of them because in checking this thread there are a ton of them to be answered. The question about his FM-3 status is a very good question. If I was in your shoes, I too would want some answers!! Here's his phone number that he posted in his thread starter for those who are curious and want instantaneous / direct communication to the man himself:

(619) 723-6600

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet




[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Sackmaster]

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 02:53 PM

all I did is try to help him and he would not even answer my emails. why dose he keep shooting him self in the foot? he dose his best to look like a scam so some people think it is. I bit on his hook and found out what he was really after.

He tells a good story but he wont back it up.:o

[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

Cypress - 12-19-2006 at 02:57 PM

Where can I donate to his defense fun?

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 03:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
all I did is try to help him and he would not even answer my emails. why dose he keep shooting him self in the foot? he dose his best to look like a scam so some people think it is. I bit on his hook and found out what he was really after.
He tells a good story but he wont back it up.:o
[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Bruce R Leech]


1) What makes you think that he's doing his best to make this look like a scam? Why do you think that he strives to make this look like a scam? SCAM is a very strong word, bro! Or were you being facetious?

2) How is it that you want to help him? What could you offer him?

3) If you're really concerned, and you really want to help him, why don't you call him on the phone to offer your help? Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you blowing smoke?

4) Do you have an aversion to talking to someone on the phone?

5) Why don't you call him on the phone and talk to him yourself?

6) Do you have a crystal ball?


Ted put his phone number out there so people like you (and me, or anyone else for that matter) could call him and talk to him one on one! You don't have to "offer him help" in order to talk to him on the phone. That's not a prerequisite! I don't know why he's not answering his emails, and it wouldn't be fair to make an assumption as to why he's not answering his emails. That would be like convicting someone of a crime based on an assumption and not fact. You don't know why he's not answering his emails unless you have a crystal ball.

There's something a little odd here. Everyone is asking for Ted's voice and yet no one is willing to call him even though they have his cell phone number. For some strange reason there are people in this thread who equate a telephone conversation with the deep french kissing of a rabid, 3-legged german shepard. Just like the 3-legged dogs that I always see roaming around Constitucion Avenue in TJ. What's with that? :rolleyes:



[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Sackmaster]

Bajagypsy - 12-19-2006 at 03:22 PM

Bruce, is always the very first person to offer fellow nomads help, he is also a wealth of information. At the very begining Bruce offered to help, with questions that he would need so that he could get the ball rolling on this end.

Not everyone is able to make the call, for some people it is more than just a long distance call, it is an international call.

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 03:29 PM

Sackmeister -----
You seem to be conversant on the tribulations of doct. Why dont you fill in the answers to pertinent questions asked here.
Who owns the house?
Who deported doct?
Is doct a legal resident of Mexico?
How did he bring junk cars through the border?
Who is going to fund doct when the shoe runs dry?
Who funded him before all of this nonsense transpired?

I get the feeling that there is something going on here that would compete with the Nigerian money scam for creativity. I don't like to judge the victimized in such a hard way but we are being deprived of the key elements of information necessary to form a positive opinion.

Yerserday, doct posted about a billion words stateing his dilema. Today he cant post anything because he is power denied.
This stinks.

And you, after recently meeting doct, have taken an unusually defensive stance for him considering you dont even know him.

My BS shields are up everywhere on this one.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 03:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajagypsy
Bruce, is always the very first person to offer fellow nomads help, he is also a wealth of information. At the very begining Bruce offered to help, with questions that he would need so that he could get the ball rolling on this end.

Not everyone is able to make the call, for some people it is more than just a long distance call, it is an international call.


Well then I apologize if I was mistaken, Bajagypsy. Maybe someone could make the call on Bruce's behalf. I didn't know that making an international call from Mexico to San Diego was all that big a deal. Maybe Bruce should look into getting a VOIP phone. :D

I know that Ted is using a VOIP phone from his motel room in order to save money. Yes he has a cell phone, but if you expect to call him multiiple times, he'll furnish you with his VOIP number so he can save money on his cell phone bill and not eat up the minutes on it.

scum

k1w1 - 12-19-2006 at 03:33 PM

oops I meant scam. humble apologies.
now I get it, you call and he gets paid somehow?
sacker ... hope u got ur own screenplay gig goin' causa u sure can write!
all da best

aquaholic - 12-19-2006 at 03:35 PM

...lessee here...1) Ted brought the subject to this forum; 2) He's now not answering questions posed in several replys; so, 3) We're all now supposed to call him, individually...???

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 03:38 PM

I wish somebody would call him. I cant. My moviestar toy phone doesn't last three minutes.

elgatoloco - 12-19-2006 at 03:45 PM

I wonder if he had a valid FM-3?

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 03:48 PM

I would bet not. It's probably not acceptible to list your shoe as a source of income.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 03:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Sackmeister -----
You seem to be conversant on the tribulations of doct. Why dont you fill in the answers to pertinent questions asked here.
Who owns the house?
Who deported doct?
Is doct a legal resident of Mexico?
How did he bring junk cars through the border?
Who is going to fund doct when the shoe runs dry?
Who funded him before all of this nonsense transpired?

I get the feeling that there is something going on here that would compete with the Nigerian money scam for creativity. I don't like to judge the victimized in such a hard way but we are being deprived of the key elements of information necessary to form a positive opinion.

Yerserday, doct posted about a billion words stateing his dilema. Today he cant post anything because he is power denied.
This stinks.

And you, after recently meeting doct, have taken an unusually defensive stance for him considering you dont even know him.

My BS shields are up everywhere on this one.



The billion words of his narrative posted in his thread starter are saved on Wordpad, and Ted simply copy and pasted it here. That's what he told me. You'll find his narrative out there on Craigslist. I saw it on Saturday, or maybe Sunday, I can't remember which.

And you're wrong, I never said I met the guy. I only talked to him on the phone. He's in Spring Valley, I'm out in Pacific Beach, and so we're seperated by a few miles. If you dispute my rebuttal, copy and paste the part where I said that I came face to face with him.

I don't know the answers to all of you questions because I'm not Ted. Why are you asking me? You have his phone number. Call him up and ask him yourself since you're feeling "deprived" of answers. The lack of initiative on your part sends my BS shield up, too.

I don't mean to be mean spirited, if I was in your shoes I might feel "deprived" of answers. I know from talking to Ted that he'll answer all of your questions. I've already gone over this and it's getting redundant. You people that are curious need to pick up a phone.

I too had that same "deprived" feeling when I first saw his post on Craigslist, so I just picked up the phone and called him up. I wanted to tell him that it was not very smart of him to bring in a whole parking lot full of cool cars. It was then that he set me straight and said that they all needed work of one sort or another and were hardly in showroom condition.

Check my previous post for his phone number. What's the big deal? Don't be afraid. It's a telephone conversation, not a beheading at the hands of al-Qaeada! :rolleyes:

bancoduo - 12-19-2006 at 03:53 PM

Ole Ted is sure getting the attention he craves.:biggrin:

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I wish somebody would call him. I cant. My moviestar toy phone doesn't last three minutes.


Actually someone from this board already called Ted last night (on 2/18/2006). The caller is affiliated with this sight. Ted said that there were a few people on this board who urged the caller to call Ted up and ask pointed questions, "burning" questions.

The moderator might know who the caller is. And of course the caller is watching the evolution of this thread, no doubt.

And right about now I'm beginning to wonder myself, "Hey Ted for the love of God man, come post something, will ya?" :lol:




[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Sackmaster]

DanO - 12-19-2006 at 03:57 PM

Well, here's some info from another board (the TijuanaBlog)that either sheds a little light or doesn't, depending on how you look at it:

http://www.tijuanablog.com/viewtopic.php?p=6184&sid=1269...

A PM >
From: thaddeus zebrowski
To: bluejeans
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:30 pm
Subject: discrimination & abuse
i didn't own the property, i was leasing it. and there is a possibility that a doctor that had stayed at my place could be behind this along with others. he had ties with jorge hank because his son was killed by one of hanks' bodyguards. shot through the head in the middle of the street in front of a popular night club. the fact still remains; what they did was a criminal action.

_________________
additional information to be compiled soon.

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 04:05 PM

I didn't say you had a face-to-face meeting with doct. I said you met him. You provided the phone detail.
I believe something is coming clear. You know doct probably as well as you know yourself. Perhaps better, as an alter-scam-ego. You mentioned this earlier to dispell the idea when it arose. It was inevitible that it would occur to somebody.
You have way too much knowledge of doct to have learned over the phone.
You are both well-written. Intent on forming opinion.

Sackmeister ----- I believe you are doct.

bancoduo - 12-19-2006 at 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I didn't say you had a face-to-face meeting with doct. I said you met him. You provided the phone detail.
I believe something is coming clear. You know doct probably as well as you know yourself. Perhaps better, as an alter-scam-ego. You mentioned this earlier to dispell the idea when it arose. It was inevitible that it would occur to somebody.
You have way too much knowledge of doct to have learned over the phone.
You are both well-written. Intent on forming opinion.

Sackmeister ----- I believe you are doct.
BINGO!:lol:

mtgoat666 - 12-19-2006 at 04:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DanO
From: thaddeus zebrowski
To: bluejeans
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:30 pm
Subject: discrimination & abuse
i didn't own the property, i was leasing it. and there is a possibility that a doctor that had stayed at my place could be behind this along with others. he had ties with jorge hank because his son was killed by one of hanks' bodyguards. shot through the head in the middle of the street in front of a popular night club. the fact still remains; what they did was a criminal action.

_________________
additional information to be compiled soon.


The whole sad story sounds like business as usual in the underworld of the booming border cities. The powerful criminals usually don't target the tourists and low key expats that frequent this board, so I doubt tourists and expats would have much knowledge of the situation.
I think anybbody should know not to buy or lease the house of a former drug lord (or minor drug royalty) in Mexico -- sounds like it has bad karma all over it

bancoduo - 12-19-2006 at 04:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by DanO
From: thaddeus zebrowski
To: bluejeans
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:30 pm
Subject: discrimination & abuse
i didn't own the property, i was leasing it. and there is a possibility that a doctor that had stayed at my place could be behind this along with others. he had ties with jorge hank because his son was killed by one of hanks' bodyguards. shot through the head in the middle of the street in front of a popular night club. the fact still remains; what they did was a criminal action.

_________________
additional information to be compiled soon.


The whole sad story sounds like business as usual in the underworld of the booming border cities. The powerful criminals usually don't target the tourists and low key expats that frequent this board, so I doubt tourists and expats would have much knowledge of the situation.
I think anybbody should know not to buy or lease the house of a former drug lord (or minor drug royalty) in Mexico -- sounds like it has bad karma all over it
Maybe he thought he was renting the mansion from THE LORD:?:

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 04:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I didn't say you had a face-to-face meeting with doct. I said you met him.


What? :?:

I have never "met" him. Though I have spoken to him on the phone.

This is just one example of why I told Ted that discussion forums can be a great way to waste alot of time in your life. By having to reply to accusations such as this one.

Again, I contacted Ted for the first time on Saturday or Sunday, two or three days ago. He's staying at a motel in Spring Valley, I'm in Pacific Beach. Anyone can contact Ted because he posted his phone number in his thread starter.

Again, copy and paste the part where I said that I "met him." You won't find it because it doesn't exist anywhere in this thread. :rolleyes:

bajalou - 12-19-2006 at 04:29 PM

That motel has pretty good dial up if it can handle VOIP without problems. I've rarely found dial up connections that can handle it.
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