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Crime Wave in Mulege

losfrailes - 1-5-2007 at 03:48 PM

Interesting outlook from another resident of Mulege.

http://www.mulegespanglishnews.com/pg_3_editorial.htm

bancoduo - 1-5-2007 at 04:16 PM

Two sides to every story; but one side is usually more creditable than the other. BRING IT ON!:no:

Tuned in??

Sharksbaja - 1-5-2007 at 04:23 PM

I sure am. Calling Bruce a liar does not wash, sorry. Why the hell do they think Bruce would post and behave like that.

Ah. for attention they say. Does this paper need credible news sources? They should have done their homework better and hang out less at dinner parties in the enclaves.

Personal attacks will not get the crowd to applaud.

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 04:28 PM

Spanglish news is really "off base" on this one, I believe. I have been on this forum for several years, and there have been reports of crime around Mulege (Punta Chivato to S. Conception bay) for that entire time. Something is changing down there, and I, like Bruce, don't like it. I believe that Bruce was just doing a service to others when he posted as he did---------who are we to judge what is prudent, and drama----------it is what it is, and to be forewarned is to be prepared.

I, for one, choose to believe that Bruce was/is onto something, and I will take the proper precautions when in that area---------that is one of the things that this "forum" is all about. So there is my "editorial".

Minnow - 1-5-2007 at 04:44 PM

Where is Bruce? Certainly he needs to confront these allegations. FYI, and this needs to be stated. The moderator here, Hose A, is very good friends with Mr. Leech. I have personally met them both. Though Bruce does not remember me and my wife being with JR when he first met him. They watch each others backs, so to speak. So something needs to be said, and pronto. Is this a cover up, or will this post be deleted? Oh the subterfuge.

Minnow - 1-5-2007 at 05:32 PM

I feel a ban coming on. Oh well. the real powers will have to sort it out.:moon:

Natalie Ann - 1-5-2007 at 05:57 PM

I saw those posts... and they made derogatory remarks about another Nomad. Had they not been removed from the thread, I would have reported them based on that. Ya can't just go saying nastiness or untruths about one person in order to protect another. MHO.

Bajamatic - 1-5-2007 at 06:03 PM

I'm confused. Didn't bruce post about someone dying by machette on the beach, and didn't it turn out to be true? I think I missed something here. that article said nothing more than Bruce is a liar, yet it wasn't a lie? I wonder just who has the agenda here - clearly Adrian, no?

Minnow - 1-5-2007 at 06:17 PM

No, here is what happened. Bruce was revealed to be the savior of Mulege. The pied piper of gringos. He led them out of town with his rapior whit, and savior fair. In the end all the gringos were saved from the evil empire of the drug lords. Viva Bruce.:spingrin:

comitan - 1-5-2007 at 06:43 PM

Minnow

Are bored with the Nomads already?

Minnow - 1-5-2007 at 06:52 PM

You are right comitan. This bored is much better at being superficial. Lo Siento.:yawn:

soulpatch - 1-5-2007 at 06:57 PM

It's good to be b-tchen.:yawn:

Pescador - 1-5-2007 at 07:44 PM

Holy cow, this sure gets sidetracked easily. I read Bruce's post and read Adrians editorial in the Spanglish news and I did not come to the conclusions that everyone else if hitting right away.
I think Adrian stated that Bruce may have used theatrics to get his point across with the issue of duress. That may have been as simple as someone saying they were unhappy with Bruce's comments or may have gone as far in one's imagination as saying that he had a pistol held to his head to retract.
In any case, I think the issue is not one of whether Bruce is a good guy or not but that if one is going to report things on a forum, they are better off if they remain factual and less theatrical. I suspect that if there was a problem with the posts, it would have been simple for Bruce to have deleted his posts.
Again, I don't pretend to have any idea what Bruce was or is thinking, but I felt that Adrian's editorial reflected his opinion and was worded carefully not to be a flame on Bruce but a call for objectivity.

Pescador------

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 08:54 PM

-----you ARE kidding, RIGHT?????? :O

My take....again

Sharksbaja - 1-5-2007 at 08:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Minnow
No, here is what happened. Bruce was revealed to be the savior of Mulege. The pied piper of gringos. He led them out of town with his rapior whit, and savior fair. In the end all the gringos were saved from the evil empire of the drug lords. Viva Bruce.:spingrin:


Well you're close. Bruce was out rescuing people all day and then some. He also aided the bomberos and took footage of the disaster as it was happening. He was probably the first to get to Sta. Rosalia and back when the road was in bad shape and reported the problems as he saw them.. He reported good solid credible info that helped many. If these folks think his motivations are based on attention they haven't been paying attention.

His choice of words regarding the crime wave may have scared a few but he tells it as he sees it. Do those fry-cooks know why he did and all those things and said all those things. Bruce is not an egomaniac as they suggest.
I don't think Bruce has alterior motives. His post got cut short when he felt threatened. If folks don't believe him then so be it. They did not see what transpired at street level.

Pescador, you don't find the remarks about Bruce inaccurate? Cmon, words like"fabricate", "mindless sensationalism", "groundless rumors" and "half-baked rhetoric " are printed to discredit Bruce.

Bullcaca. Bruce has an excellent reputation and is an outstanding citizen of Mulege. Would certain authorities reveal to the reporters stuff that could damage their rep. I hardly think so. Good grief., don't ythey know at the newspaper that they may not be protected by free speech. Slandor is a big no-no in Mexico.

Gee, I never heard one word about his contribution(s) to Mulege.

Pescador...right on...thanks for the clear observation-

CasaManzana - 1-5-2007 at 09:03 PM

As I saw it, the newspaper was just calling on "less drama", and wondering why the theatrical posting was necessary. You might not have read it if you weren't reading it the first day, but Bruce's posting said " this posting might not last long because of reasons I can't tell you". The next day he edited the posting and all that turned into dust....you never got to read that first part. About half of what Bruce said turned out to have some truth in it, as Adrian said. Why call a ten alarm fire when a two alarm is enough. Maybe half of what Bruce posted turned out to be something other than fact. I'm from the SF Bay area many years ago. As I read the paper daily there then...OMG! Here it's so peaceful, if we get one ripple on the water we think the sky is falling. I think Adrian's position is spot on.

Sharksbaja - 1-5-2007 at 09:09 PM

:wow:

Barry A. - 1-5-2007 at 09:49 PM

Oh-----my-----God!!!!! (Maybe the fact that CasaMazana is from the Bay area explains it) :?:

and yes, I saw all the original "Bruce" posts. I will stick to all my comments-----------Adrian wrote a very derogatory editorial about Bruce, and I do not agree with most of it.

capt. mike - 1-6-2007 at 05:24 AM

who's Adrian??

is mulege just another "peyton place"?

i think so..............but it shore is fun!

Don Alley - 1-6-2007 at 09:24 AM

I think message board stuff should stay on the message board, and if this Adrian character has a problem with what Bruce posts he should answer here, to Bruce and to Nomads who read Bruce's posts. I find it heavy handed and chickensh*t to editorialize this vitriolic attack as he did from the high horse of his personal web "newspaper" where direct response is so restricted, if even possible.

bancoduo - 1-6-2007 at 09:29 AM

:?:Where is Bruce:?:

FARASHA - 1-6-2007 at 09:38 AM

Didn't Bruce plan to see Family in Ensenada this time around?

Phil S - 1-6-2007 at 09:47 AM

Well, in Bruce's defense, Sometimes, "someone" has to tell the story. If the story isn't told, then officials won't do anything about it. About two years ago, I met a gentleman in Loreto who said he had moved to Loreto from Mulege, because "the crime problem up there was getting out of hand".
According to Adrian, this must have been an isolated case where someone feared either for his life or his belongings. I'd move too. If the 'locals' don't like it, do something about it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simple as that isn't it????
What are the local police doing about it?

David K - 1-6-2007 at 01:03 PM

That's not nice...:no:

(the post that wasn't nice, insulting Bruce, was removed)

[Edited on 1-6-2007 by David K]

Where is Bruce?

Stickers - 1-6-2007 at 01:27 PM

It's not natural for him to be this quiet no matter where he is.


:lol:

Where's Waldo?

Sharksbaja - 1-6-2007 at 03:01 PM

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Where/Who are the Nomads of Mulege that can supply concrete facts and experience...without the personal agendas?


You mean you don't know??

By the wayside, clucking quietly!
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Maybe a local citizen can chime in here? What say you, Mulege? Care to get involved?...or will this remain a mini-drama on Baja Nomads?


Hmmm, where do Mulege gringos congregate?

You already know!


Pelican Bar, Jungla Jims, etc. etc.


Two really good places to get info!:lol::lol::lol:

comitan - 1-6-2007 at 03:29 PM

Well your all giving your opinions of yea ney but this is something that Bruce has to determine whether the article is inflammatory or not and to reply in his own words when he gets back.

Twas MHO

Sharksbaja - 1-6-2007 at 03:32 PM

Bruce R Leech - 1-8-2007 at 02:13 PM

Well my hopes for a GOOD NEWS PAPER IN Mulege have just vanished. This Gringo gazette style of reporting is just ridicules. Not to compare this persons Blog with the G.G because at least the G.G. puts theirs to print.

I have know Idea who this person is or what there motives are in writing a whole editorial with the obvious intent to do nothing more than to discredit me and other members of the Baja Nomad Forum. But I am honored that they think that I am worthy of this kind of attention. First of all I am here and available for an interview which is what any creditable news paper would have done before publishing that kind of trash with out any attempt to get the info from either me or the police..

First of all the Duane Curtis incident is not an Isolated one and to all of the people that bothered to come and talk to me I have shared all of the info of what is going on here. But I can assure you the person that wrote this article has made no attempt to contact me. For any info regarding any thing they have published. In my opinion that is very discrediting for there publication and I will have a lot of trouble believing anything they write frome now on..

As for making this info known not hurting my business the Mulege Spanglish news. Knows as little about my business as they do about me and or what is going on in the community here in Mulege. It is clear that they are well in touch with the official roomer mill here because the info the published came right out of a bar some where. Edith’s money exchange business has long been sold this is true but we need to sell at least 4 more property’s and then we still have business here. Making public the crime problems here dose not help me in any of these things. infact it has already cost me, but I could not with good conches sale a house or anything else here and not make the buyer aware of the problems. I need to sleep at night also

All the things I wrote about in my original post were basted on facts and first hand experience. And all Nomads are more than welcome to come and talk to me about it. I cant figure out what the Mulege Spanglish news based their out and out slander on. Or what the felt they were accomplishing buy doing so. They called them groundless rumors but never checked to se if there were grounds or not. I stand by every word.

Good to see you back

Sharksbaja - 1-8-2007 at 03:01 PM

Hope your trip was fruitful. Please ck your email, thanks. Cork

Minnow - 1-8-2007 at 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I could not with good conches


I had live conches yesterday at the sushi bar. Excellent.:lol:

DENNIS - 1-8-2007 at 04:58 PM

Live? You ate them live?

Jeezo...... That belongs in National Geographic.

DanO - 1-8-2007 at 05:42 PM

Not nearly as good as whole pickled baby octopus. Chewy on the outside, soft and gooey on the inside, and a little crunch from the beak. Mmmm, mmmm.

Minnow - 1-8-2007 at 05:45 PM

Dennis, think, picking out a live lobster in a tank. Instead of lobster, substitute conches. Crispy, yet tender, they cooked the "tail" in a cheese sauce. Hmmmm.:P

Bruce, If you spent two hours with your attorney for Doc. Thadeus, I can't imagine what your bill is going to be for this one.:lol:

Bruce R Leech - 1-8-2007 at 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Minnow
Dennis, think, picking out a live lobster in a tank. Instead of lobster, substitute conches. Crispy, yet tender, they cooked the "tail" in a cheese sauce. Hmmmm.:P

Bruce, If you spent two hours with your attorney for Doc. Thadeus, I can't imagine what your bill is going to be for this one.:lol:


Minnow I wont wast my time on these little people they seem to be taking care of it on there own.:lol:

Minnow - 1-8-2007 at 05:53 PM

Good for you. You must be famous in Mulege.

This is probably a good time to close this again then, because, well, this guys are just going to be silly.:spingrin:

Bruce R Leech - 1-8-2007 at 05:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Summanus
...but who are the Harper Valley hypocrites?

I have read all the posts by Bruce and other Nomads from the start...before any deletions.... and I have read Adrian's editorial opinion.

My two cents.

I think someone who has lived in Mulege for more than just a few years should be posting some factual information about this incident and the crime situation in and around Mulege. It would certainly be of great help in planning a Baja trip.

Where/Who are the Nomads of Mulege that can supply concrete facts and experience...without the personal agendas?

Maybe a local citizen can chime in here? What say you, Mulege? Care to get involved?...or will this remain a mini-drama on Baja Nomads?

It would also be good to hear about the final distribution of some relief goods and monies given to help flood victims. I have seen myself where Sharks has personally delivered supplies to the fire brigade of Mulege. But, it is disturbing to read of other goods and money being misused or 'held back' as Adrian refers to in another part of the Mulege newspaper.

Quote from the paper:

"Also hard to believe, is that there are people out there sitting on donations, with a variety of excuses as to why they are not putting these cash or material items into motion. One lady say's she, " just doesn't know where to give the money". Another person doesn't want to give to a certain group, for fear that not all the money or items will be used in our community. We are hearing of people with a room full of donated materials, as yet undistributed. This disturbs me." ..Adrian

..and so, like the days of our lives, the world turns...



sorry Summanus I think you can see what happens to someone that tries to talk about that stuff:(

Crusoe - 1-8-2007 at 06:18 PM

Its great that your back Bruce. You have alot more support than you can even imagine!Sleep good and sweet dreams.;D

DENNIS - 1-8-2007 at 06:50 PM

Minnow ---
"Cooked in a cheese sauce". That sounds good. I was thinking you had to chase them around the plate with your fork. Gawd.....I cringe when I think of eating something that belongs on a fish hook.

DENNIS - 1-8-2007 at 06:52 PM

Summanus ..... or is that Senior Summanus ---

See you picked up another star.

crime

mulege marv - 1-8-2007 at 07:02 PM

i dont know whats going on in mulege but bruce is right, crime is getting out of hand in mulege. i havent had anything walk off in 3 years, now all of a sudden i am getting visits from banditoes every other nite. in the last two weeks i have had intrusions numorous times. they havent actually been in my home but have gotten into my garage, my vehicles, and into my yard, even so far as to syphon the gas from my quad runners on the side of my house, they visited my neighbor last nite and took items from his garage. . it has gotten way beyond the pail ! something really needs to be done, but what, i dont know. the one thing that is evident in mexico, its hard to protect your property if you are not mexican, without the risk of being wrong even if your right.

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DENNIS - 1-8-2007 at 07:05 PM

Marv ---
Sounds as though you could use the services of a bad-ass junkyard dog.

Al G - 1-8-2007 at 07:37 PM

Can someone give me an email or contact info for 'Adrian'...?
I feel we should have a heart to heart talk...and I don't want it to end up in OT...

Cincodemayo - 1-8-2007 at 07:40 PM

Dennis...or a very big baseball bat lined with lead. Thieves make great fertilizer.

DENNIS - 1-8-2007 at 07:43 PM

Al G -----
How about a trip report. What side of the border are you on?

dont get mad, get even ?

mulege marv - 1-8-2007 at 08:22 PM

im not so much mad as i am disappointed. i treat all the locals with the respect i feel they deserve and do what i can when i can for them. my wife volunteers at the local clinic doing dental work. i have given away more than i have had stolen, i was very disappointed in the looting after the flood and i believe cincodemayo is right, it was a window of opportunity, and it hasnt been stopped, so now it continues. like i said something needs to be done, what i dont know, and i dont think we have, "the victoms" the power to stop it without paying a price. kinda of a slap in the face ! (pretty shi**y)

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abreojos - 1-8-2007 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by mulege marv
i dont know whats going on in mulege but bruce is right, crime is getting out of hand in mulege. i havent had anything walk off in 3 years, now all of a sudden i am getting visits from banditoes every other nite. in the last two weeks i have had intrusions numorous times. they havent actually been in my home but have gotten into my garage, my vehicles, and into my yard, even so far as to syphon the gas from my quad runners on the side of my house, they visited my neighbor last nite and took items from his garage. . it has gotten way beyond the pail ! something really needs to be done, but what, i dont know. the one thing that is evident in mexico, its hard to protect your property if you are not mexican, without the risk of being wrong even if your right.

It's not just Gringos, my wife, who is Mexican regulary gets robbed and when I'm not looking me too and accuses me of being paranoid for being careful!

im sorry

mulege marv - 1-8-2007 at 09:03 PM

i didnt mean to imply thats its only gringos getting vandalized, what i did mean is its harder for us to protect whats ours without being prosicuted for it, as in going to jail for defending your property if physical force was used.

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We have a couple dinner plates left in Mulege

Sharksbaja - 1-8-2007 at 09:05 PM

if you really want them! Every bit of our kitchen was thrown around in the flood. I first thought the looters took the remaining plates etc. but turns out the security guard relocated them. I will be surprised as to what can be of value to the stuff we managed to salvage.

Do you think a punch bowl wil be ripped? How's bout some ol' coffee cups. Hell, it's there for the pickin'. My hose disappeared last week. Lots of other stuff gone...stolen??

Thanks to those who look after each others burros.

Opportunists made off with kitchen appliances two years ago. Later they helped themselves to our water, and then they took whatever was available after the flood.

They were not all Mexicans.

Banditos exist everywhere, some just make it lesss painful to the victim. We get robbed everyday. Like, say, the credit card companies or gas or bla bla bla....

It's all relative;


Ya see, a ten buck blender in Baja is worth a helluva lot more than a 25 dollar service charge in the north. :lol:

ok im done

mulege marv - 1-8-2007 at 09:05 PM

i need to go secure the parimeter, i think i have a security breech in sector two. oh and by the way sharks i lost more than a few dinner plates to the thieves, anyone see a brand new echo chain saw around ?

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by mulege marv]

Sharksbaja - 1-8-2007 at 09:17 PM

Don't misread me. There is a problem in Mulege! It is just exacerbated by everything that happens in such a screwy town. It's like it's a "frontierland"mentality it seems sometimes. I really don't see the desparation upfront and firsthand while I am there so it is hard to equivocate the thievery problem with the economy and aftermath of the flood.. Which of course has sucked since 9-11. I don't believe the bandits are the same people that got hurt by the flood though.

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by Sharksbaja]

exacerbated ?

mulege marv - 1-8-2007 at 09:36 PM

i have been burglized in the states while on vacation and it was not a good feeling obviously, but to have have people on your premises while you lay asleep in bed , especially when they know you are home, is a little scary dont you think ? where does it stop at the door ? or not ?

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by mulege marv]

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by mulege marv]

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Sharksbaja - 1-8-2007 at 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by mulege marv
i have been burglized in the states while on vacation and it was not a good feeling obviously, but to have have people on your premises while you lay asleep in bed , especially when they know you are home, is a little scary dont you think ? where does it stop at the door ? or not ?



Damn scary Marv. The fact gringos have no guns surely emboldens them. They would be shot here in Oregon. I think that guns can be a deterent for such crimes.

It seems the bad guys are getting worse and there is not much to stop them. Another problem is the lack of resolve of gringos to persue them thru the laws of Mexico.:(

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by Sharksbaja]

Somehow this thread has gone south...

CasaManzana - 1-8-2007 at 11:31 PM

...it was, way back when, about the Mulege Spanglish Newspaper editorial suggesting the posts from Bruce were somewhat of a dramatric nature, and in some part inaccurate. I contend that both charges can somewhat be held in truth. Now, that being said- somehow it seems unfair to judge the “Spanglish Newspaper” that Adrian puts out based on this one issue …Bruce’s reply to the editorial in that newspaper. If you have read every issue, you cannot come away without being impressed with the professionalism and the integrity that this paper has shown to date. Remember this was in Adrian’s editorial department. Be it here or the New York Times, you can say what you feel is a valid opinion in the editorial section based on the facts you have at hand.

abreojos - 1-9-2007 at 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by mulege marv
im not so much mad as i am disappointed. i treat all the locals with the respect i feel they deserve and do what i can when i can for them. my wife volunteers at the local clinic doing dental work. i have given away more than i have had stolen, i was very disappointed in the looting after the flood and i believe cincodemayo is right, it was a window of opportunity, and it hasnt been stopped, so now it continues. like i said something needs to be done, what i dont know, and i dont think we have, "the victoms" the power to stop it without paying a price. kinda of a slap in the face ! (pretty shi**y)


It is very disappointing to come down here and honestly want to help people and have this happen. I've done it and I not going to waste any more of the precous time I have left on this earth doing it again. Anyhow look at it this way. It could have been worse, you could have been born black and live in New Orleans and have it happen to you in your own country...?

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by abreojos]

Cypress - 1-9-2007 at 08:16 AM

Don't actually know Bruce, Adrain or anyone else in Mulege, only aware of them thru this forum. Bruce is very generous with his knowlege of the area and eager to help others. :D

Barry A. - 1-9-2007 at 09:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by abreojos
Quote:
Originally posted by mulege marv
im not so much mad as i am disappointed. i treat all the locals with the respect i feel they deserve and do what i can when i can for them. my wife volunteers at the local clinic doing dental work. i have given away more than i have had stolen, i was very disappointed in the looting after the flood and i believe cincodemayo is right, it was a window of opportunity, and it hasnt been stopped, so now it continues. like i said something needs to be done, what i dont know, and i dont think we have, "the victoms" the power to stop it without paying a price. kinda of a slap in the face ! (pretty shi**y)


It is very disappointing to come down here and honestly want to help people and have this happen. I've done it and I not going to waste any more of the precous time I have left on this earth doing it again. Anyhow look at it this way. It could have been worse, you could have been born black and live in New Orleans and have it happen to you in your own country...?

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by abreojos]


I'm confused-------------Blacks living in New Orleans had fellow Americans ripping them off??????? I was not aware of that. I thought that the "New Orleans" situation was a bunch of folks living in a KNOWN flood zone getting flooded?

Crusoe - 1-9-2007 at 10:26 AM

Since When-- Can you start comparing The Spanglish with the N.Y. Times!!:?:

Cypress - 1-9-2007 at 10:36 AM

Summanus!:bounce: About those storm waves. Sometimes they're higher than we expected.:bounce:
Barry A. Your take on the New Orleans disaster is dead-on.
Minnow. I don't even know Bruce, do you? Something about shooting the messenger comes to mind.:yes:

Minnow - 1-9-2007 at 12:29 PM

Cypress, no I can't say I do "know" Bruce. I have only met him once two christmas' ago. I am sure he is a decent fellow. I have see what he has attempted to do here, as far as his good will, and it is to be commended.

Summanius, you need to take some of that impressive selection of flys out and have some fun. All that reading is making you boring. IMHO.:lol:

Minnow - 1-9-2007 at 03:08 PM

Shummanicikamiuous. That picture REALLY!!!!!peees me of. ONe day my friend, one day. Saludos.

Bruce is a god.

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 03:12 PM

About the picture ----
Why do people who are one meter from the shore have to stand in the freezing water?

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 03:13 PM

And, why is Bruce a god?

Dave - 1-9-2007 at 03:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
About the picture ----
Why do people who are one meter from the shore have to stand in the freezing water?


If you're gonna spend the money for waders...:lol:

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 03:16 PM

Thanks Dave......... Image is everything.

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 03:18 PM

I guess I should buy some waders. I seem to be missing all the fun.

Minnow - 1-9-2007 at 03:21 PM

Bruce, I warned you.:cool:

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 05:11 PM

Not quite yet ----
Minnow .............. What is it that you warned Bruce about? Since you brought it here, perhaps we should be aware of it.

Dennis, I'm shocked!

Sharksbaja - 1-9-2007 at 05:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Not quite yet ----
Minnow .............. What is it that you warned Bruce about? Since you brought it here, perhaps we should be aware of it.


Where have you bean man?? Miiknow loves this game.:lol:

Let's play nice kids!!!;D:P (comma omitted intentionally):smug:

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 05:30 PM

Thanks Sharks

k1w1 - 1-9-2007 at 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Summanus
Dennis...those are genuine felt-soled, by-God-Eddie-Bauer waders costing more than my first car! You WILL wear them for ANY and ALL occasions! I went to church with mine.


yes we're well aware of the necessity of waders in church!:bounce:

DENNIS - 1-9-2007 at 05:49 PM

Good one kiwi:yes:

The words of JR still haunt me;

Sharksbaja - 1-9-2007 at 06:58 PM

"Are you daft!"


:lol::lol:


sorry Bruce can't help it

[Edited on 1-10-2007 by Sharksbaja]

Minnow - 1-9-2007 at 07:00 PM

Shumanarific, I though Bruce answered the guys editorial in no uncertain terms. That means it is open season on this thread. NO/?:lol:

Sharkaholic, I was good friends with JR. Please, don't use his words in jest.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Edited on 10-1-2007 by Minnow]

abreojos - 1-10-2007 at 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by mulege marv
im not so much mad as i am disappointed. i treat all the locals with the respect i feel they deserve and do what i can when i can for them. my wife volunteers at the local clinic doing dental work. i have given away more than i have had stolen, i was very disappointed in the looting after the flood and i believe cincodemayo is right, it was a window of opportunity, and it hasnt been stopped, so now it continues. like i said something needs to be done, what i dont know, and i dont think we have, "the victoms" the power to stop it without paying a price. kinda of a slap in the face ! (pretty shi**y)


It is very disappointing to come down here and honestly want to help people and have this happen. I've done it and I not going to waste any more of the precous time I have left on this earth doing it again. Anyhow look at it this way. It could have been worse, you could have been born black and live in New Orleans and have it happen to you in your own country...?

[Edited on 1-9-2007 by abreojos]


I'm confused-------------Blacks living in New Orleans had fellow Americans ripping them off??????? I was not aware of that. I thought that the "New Orleans" situation was a bunch of folks living in a KNOWN flood zone getting flooded?

I am seriously joking...how about you?