BajaNomad - la bay land sale

la bay land sale

pisco - 1-17-2007 at 09:28 PM

We have heard lots of rumors about a proposed land sale of the entire bay. We have been told than an American investor has offered each of the ejido owners 17 million for all of their land, including beach front. People in town seem to feel that this is a real possibility. Does anyone have reliable info on this topic? We have leased land there for many, many years, and have built a home. All things are impermanent, especially in Baja, but we'd hate to have to leave!

David K - 1-17-2007 at 09:31 PM

That rumor turned out to be false... or at least one like it... Check the search engine here on Nomad for past reports ...

We have many friends who have homes on the bay and they are not worried, last I heard.

Bedman - 1-17-2007 at 09:37 PM

The only light I can shed on this story/rumor is that there has been an offer for Ejido land. The offer did not include Colonial land. From what I can ascertain the investor is interested in the large deposits of Granite, Onyx and Marble. This has been an ongoing discussion. The last I heard the investor was supposed to make a good faith deposit, but has not , as of January 3rd. The land in and around Gecko is not included in the offer.

Bedman

DavidT - 1-17-2007 at 09:39 PM

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=20956#pid1856...

capt. mike - 1-18-2007 at 06:01 AM

i'd like to see a LARGE development with airport improvements, power, marina and lot sales, home sales.

close to home and a great spot - heck with power and summer AC i'd even use my place then!

well this should pee a lot of the no growthers off here! ask me if i could give a crap what they think! :moon:who cares?? :bounce:

4baja - 1-18-2007 at 07:28 AM

the last discussion i had with the gas station owner(casa de sole)was that the offer did not go through and is a dead deal. the offer came from a wealthy texas familly(buisness) who would not come up with a good faith down payment(as bedman stated) and killed the deal. they are still working on the roads and noticed that the power poles from guerrero negro are getting close to prieta on there way to the bay.

David K - 1-18-2007 at 09:01 AM

There is something special about a town that turns off the power every night... then see all those stars!

Say goodbye to those romantic times for Bahia once it is 'on the grid'!

Bajalover - 1-18-2007 at 10:48 AM

As long as beach access for parking the Coors Can and dropping a kayak in the water......Bahia can do what they like. After all it's their town not ours. We can only be happy, happier, happiest when allowed to spend time there. Electricity isn't bad .. cools the beer. Shall see all the improvements 2/22 :cool:

Bajalover - 1-18-2007 at 10:51 AM

PISCO - where did you come up with that handle. Are you Chilean? Pisco is the national drink for Chile. Originated in Peru and commercialized by Chile. Makes great pisco sours. uuuuummm :light:

Crusoe - 1-18-2007 at 11:06 AM

It would be so sad to see any type of major Cabo/Style development in la bay. You know the old axiom--Progress Never Stops--- Well--just go talk to a few fisherman and their familys around Ensenada Blanca now, and you cant but help asking yourself? Whan is enough-- enough?? How many second and third homes do we need at the price of what???? :rolleyes:

Cypress - 1-18-2007 at 11:48 AM

Jeez! Most people would be happy to own just one home.

If you have the resources, own as many homes as you want. :tumble:

baja829 - 1-18-2007 at 11:55 AM

We live 35 miles South of San Felipe, on the beach. Almost every day, small jets (maybe big investors???- probably) fly the coastline. Some return in 30 minutes, some in 3-4 hours - enough time to get a good look at all there is to see with regard to Campos, large and smalll, good beaches, etc.

The offers are flying around here -- lots of money, lots of developers. Some of our Ejidatarios have sold already, others say they never will -- but there's always a price as we all know. Interesting though, of those who have sold -- most no longer have the proceeds, nor rental income. Many of the others are watching this carefully, which is good for us, for now!

There's one investor who needs 2 Campo's side by side - offer is $6 Million- but he's precise on what he wants -- our Campo has it, as well as the next one. Our owner however, refused to sell, but his brother is willing. The group has another $60,000 Million to build beach front homes, condos and an exclusive resort. It's a matter of time -- just hope, it's not in our time. We always said we'd just go further South -- but that's no longer feasible, as they too are going further South.

Crusoe - 1-18-2007 at 11:59 AM

WHEN IS ENOUGH.............ENOUGH?? :?:

vandenberg - 1-18-2007 at 12:03 PM

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I would have a third, fourth and fifth home elsewhere in the world if I had my way, though.

Aaaahh!! Got the ways, but lacking the mullah. :lol:

Cypress - 1-18-2007 at 12:22 PM

Factoring in all +'s and -'s, I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Baja as a viable retirement location. Property values are being inflated to extremes. Something about investing mega bucks in property without water or power? It's beautiful down in Baja, great fishing, wonderful people. Might just opt for a houseboat down in Louisiana.

capt. mike - 1-18-2007 at 01:03 PM

my motto............never trust developers! :yes:

Excuse me while I go buy into the Ejido

Dave - 1-18-2007 at 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by pisco
We have been told than an American investor has offered each of the ejido owners 17 million for all of their land, including beach front.

I figure 1m will git 'er done.

Anyone else? :biggrin:

capt. mike - 1-19-2007 at 05:25 AM

was that 17 mil in pesos or US $$$???????????

per human or for the whole enchiladas??

what a great resort spot LA bay could become if the feds would get behind it. shore line and mtns reminds me of monaco and corsica.

abreojos - 1-19-2007 at 05:44 AM

Talked with a helicopter pilot here in Cabo last week. He said he was real busy flying developers from Cabo to Conception looking for land. I wonder when Disneyland is coming!

Crusoe - 1-19-2007 at 09:17 AM

When the developers finish is just the begining!! Next come the "cruise ships"..You say so what? I'll tell you so what. They dump hundreds and thousands of gallons of raw sewege any place they choose with no enviromental regards for anyone or anything.Poor Litle Fishies :mad:

Bob H - 1-19-2007 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Bajalover
PISCO - where did you come up with that handle. Are you Chilean? Pisco is the national drink for Chile. Originated in Peru and commercialized by Chile. Makes great pisco sours. uuuuummm :light:

Here's more info on Pisco...
http://gosouthamerica.about.com/cs/southamerica/a/CulPisco.h...

Bob H

oldhippie - 1-19-2007 at 11:31 AM

This may sound very "unhippieish" but I'm trying to figure out where to buy to capitalize on what appears to be the eventual end of the natural baja so many love and at the same time enjoy the time remaining.

I watched Loreto sit dormant for almost 20 years after Fonatur did its thing and now look at what is happening. I used to surf K38 and then eat lobster at the only restaurant in Puerto Nuevo. Now I can't see the surf through all the condos and Puerto Nuevo and Revolucion Blvd in TJ are much the same.

My favorite long term RVing spot, San Pedrito south of Todos Santos, is now gone.

American bank mortgages on Mexican property and the fact that title insurance is available are the final straws.

Sooooo, I might as well make a few bucks over the next 10 years or so on what appears to be a development boom.

Turning lemons into lemonade???

capt. mike - 1-19-2007 at 12:46 PM

hey old hippie, welcome to the reality side my friend - can't beat em, can't stop em, can't kill em..........well.......let's not go there!

so join em!

where do i get my manos on some of that there Pisco? i want to try it!

Pescador - 1-19-2007 at 12:52 PM

Yeah, we have some bozo here in San Lucas Cove who is trying to develop a piece of property that would probably be a good location for a half dozen homes, which would not seriously affect the infastructure to the point of breaking, but my guess is that everyone is caught up in the fever of developing anything and everything that they can. We have watched the change coming and it is alarming at best. Although we had planned on a second house in baja for retirment, we have now pretty much come to the conclusion that the entire peninsula is going to end up going the way of southern California. I especially like the post about inflated land prices, diminishing attractions like fishing and other ocean activities. So it is not that I can not afford to put down roots, it is a conscious decision that I really do not want to be a part of what Baja is becoming. I guess it is that we all have to decide what trips our trigger. I would rather eat thumbtacks without sugar and milk than have to take an ocean cruise, and I feel the same way about having to share the places that I love with thousands of my not so close friends.

Skipjack Joe - 1-19-2007 at 01:09 PM

I agree with your assessment and your conclusions, Jim. It is developing at an alarming rate.

Doug/Vamonos - 1-19-2007 at 03:36 PM

I'm a relative newcomer to Baja. First trip to Punta Chivato was in 91 and I've been going back since. I've dragged my boats all over Baja in search of good camping and fishing beaches and I've settled on PC and LA Bay. In the beginning, I used to make great friends that were just like me and the wife (adventurous, camping on the edge, etc., etc.). We enjoyed Baja because it was too tough for most people to get there, or they were scared chitless to venture south of the border. Now Baja has become a destination for folks that should really stick to Waikiki. Look at what happened to Loreto, Shell Beach and now the rumors about LA Bay. It is changing and little I or you can do will slow it down. We will enjoy it while the fishing is still decent. When the fishing dries up we will be gone to other destinations. What the hell...all the new money makes it fun to watch folks backing down at the laughing ramp.

Hook - 1-19-2007 at 04:06 PM

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what a great resort spot LA bay could become if the feds would get behind it. shore line and mtns reminds me of monaco and corsica.

I suppose you could fool a few people if they bought via a brochure and never spent any real time there.

But all it takes is a fairly long set of consecutive days staying there to realize that there are geographic, oceanic and meteorologic occurances that no amount of electricity will mitigate for the average tourist. The fairly common 30-50 kt winds, the ocean temps in the mid 50s and the daytime highs around 115 come to mind. That, more than being off the grid, is what keeps BOLA.....well, BOLA.

I love the place, though.

true?

k1w1 - 1-19-2007 at 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
. We will enjoy it while the fishing is still decent. When the fishing dries up we will be gone to other destinations.

appreciate your comments but do you seriously see such a direct link of this 'invasion' and the available sport fishing (in our lifetime?). I'm no expert and don't know ... I just think appropriate steps have been made in this one regard. (ie minimal industrial fishing within SOC)

Don Alley - 1-19-2007 at 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by k1w1

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Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
. We will enjoy it while the fishing is still decent. When the fishing dries up we will be gone to other destinations.

Rumor has it (two issues of the Gringo Gazette) that the entire Espiritu Santos island chain near La Paz has been declared a Marine Reserve, and will be closed to all fishing. Pangeros will be trained as guides for eco-tourists. Could be that what will do in the fishing here is not overfishing, but being sacrificed as greenwash for the Mar de Cortez plans and the big developers.

Doug/Vamonos - 1-19-2007 at 05:05 PM

You guys don't seriously believe the fishing is getting better, do you? What do you think those hundreds or thousands of yachties and trailer boats (escalera nautica) are going to do? Not to mention the increasing numbers of mainland pangas and seiners that show up daily during the fishing season. Or the Cabo and East Cape type fleets that could establish themselves in LA Bay or Loreto or Mulege as soon as those locations develop as a legitimate tourist destination. The only reason they survive in Cabo or the East Cape is because they are at the beginning of the migration into the Cortez. As Korea, Japan and the entire Far East fish out their oceans they will place more and more pressure (and mordida) on Baja and the east Pacific. Personnally, I look forward to watching some mega-yachts and their pretentious little skippers getting blown aground in a decent chubasco. Hell yeah!

capt. mike - 1-20-2007 at 06:40 AM

Jim i talked to that guy trying to get something going at San Lucas calleta.
his plan is flawed i can tell you - and full of what ifs, holes etc. - way over priced IMHO. don't worry about that deal impending anytime soon. plus, frankly its not the best parcel there either.

now, what WOULD be cool would be to get the military out of the old hotel there and fix up the airstrip adjacent, build a little fly in boutique spot cater to fishermen and have them rent boats and guides from the local concessions. and promote diving and squid "baiting" like Dale www.gonetobaja.com Pearson does.
how's the WX in colo or are you in baja now?

Don Alley - 1-20-2007 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
You guys don't seriously believe the fishing is getting better, do you? What do you think those hundreds or thousands of yachties and trailer boats (escalera nautica) are going to do? Not to mention the increasing numbers of mainland pangas and seiners that show up daily during the fishing season. Or the Cabo and East Cape type fleets that could establish themselves in LA Bay or Loreto or Mulege as soon as those locations develop as a legitimate tourist destination. The only reason they survive in Cabo or the East Cape is because they are at the beginning of the migration into the Cortez. As Korea, Japan and the entire Far East fish out their oceans they will place more and more pressure (and mordida) on Baja and the east Pacific. Personnally, I look forward to watching some mega-yachts and their pretentious little skippers getting blown aground in a decent chubasco. Hell yeah!

No, the fishing is not getting better. It could with good management but I don't see that happening. The Loreto Marine Park has, imo, been a big disapointment, bordering on a tourist trap scam, and if they won't manage fisheries in a national park then where else?

You like seeing multi-million dollar yachts smashed? Shame on you! :lol:

But here you go, from a few days ago in California. Crane accident unloading a brand new $3 million baby, dropped it 100 feet:

Pescador - 1-20-2007 at 06:56 PM

Cap'n Mike, we are here for the winter, at least until March. We usually come down in Sept and stay till at least March or April

pisco - 1-20-2007 at 07:51 PM

To reply as to how I chose the handle...No, I'm not Chilean, but we spent the fall down there in paradise and certainly enjoyed our share of Pisco Sours!

abreojos - 1-21-2007 at 05:52 AM

Hey if you have kids, your part of the problem, not the solution. I have a simple formula: People=problems...more people=more problems! How many other species on this earth need police or military to keep everyone in line? I made the sacrifice of not having kids because I saw over population coming a long time ago and have watched one beautiful pristine place after another disappear. There is no stopping it. We are on a run away freight train and there is going to be an eventual global environmental crash sooner or later. Enjoy the last of what was while you can! I am making as much money as I can this time around so I can keep moving insearch of another refuge. I don't know about you guys but I do not want to be old, tired, nearly broke and have nothing to do but watch it happen and complain about it.

Bajalover - 1-21-2007 at 09:41 AM

Sure glad I only have a Coors Can and not a Yacht. Ouch!!!

Pescador- are you in Bahia DLA now? If so, I plan on visiting next month for about 5 weeks. Havea couple of questions:
- are you in a campground or near La Gringa area?
- do you have a satellite dish for tv / internet?
- if so, what is the longitude / latitude for Bahi DLA.
This will make my job alot easier. Had planned on staying at one of the campgrounds.

Bajalover - 1-21-2007 at 09:43 AM

Pisco, where in Chile did you spend time. South / central / northern regions. Did you have a chance to eat at Aqui esta Coco in Santiago?
We lived there for alittle over 5 years. Great place.

Pescador - 1-21-2007 at 04:03 PM

Baja Lover, no I live in San Lucas Cove, which is just south of Santa Rosalia. I have internet on the beach which is through hughes net. and it works just fine.

Skipjack Joe - 1-21-2007 at 04:27 PM

No matter what the Mexicans decide to do with their country I hope they will have the good sense to at least set Bahia Conception aside for future generations. It's really the crown jewel of the peninsula and should be allowed to stay that way. Make it a Parque Nacional. It really deserves that recognition (as do all of the Cortez islands).