BajaNomad - Whale watching tours in San Ignacio

Whale watching tours in San Ignacio

tgpepper - 1-24-2007 at 10:45 AM

I'm planning on a whale watching trip in Feb, any feedback , suggestions, hotels, tour boats, etc. will be appreciated.

bajajudy - 1-24-2007 at 11:21 AM

Kuyima for tours
http://www.kuyima.com/kuyima.html
Ignacio Springs for B&B
http://www.ignaciosprings.com/main.html

IMHO San Ignacio is the absolute best place to see the whales
Have fun

shari - 1-24-2007 at 01:58 PM

I don't agree that San Ignacio is the best place... but if you must go there look for Mauro in the lagoon, he's a local and is a very knowledgeable and a conciencious soul....which means he cares about the actual whales! He disturbs them less than the others.

What's IMHO BAJAJUDY

BAJACAT - 1-26-2007 at 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
Kuyima for tours
http://www.kuyima.com/kuyima.html
Ignacio Springs for B&B
http://www.ignaciosprings.com/main.html

IMHO San Ignacio is the absolute best place to see the whales
Have fun

shari - 1-26-2007 at 07:57 PM

The best place to see whales totally depends on what kind of person you are and how you FEEL about whales. If you like lots of gringo companies, lots of boats, planes and tourists chasing whales around to try to touch them...then yes San Ignacio is for you. There there is more mating activity,and is a much smaller lagoon with many more boats. If you like a more respectful approach with fewer humans and more whales doing their natural whale thing which is raising their babies...then Ojo de Liebre (scammons lagoon) is a better bet. My favorit place to observe whales is driving out to the lagoon south of Guerrero Negro and camping where you can hear the whales blowing all night and see them from shore spy hopping at dawn. There are very few boats there and not alot of people either. The boats leave on demand and often there are just a few people on board and you can wait and choose the folks you want to go out with which really makes a big difference on your trip...and often you are the only boat out with the animals...and there are between 1,500 and 2.000 whales there as opposed to 3-400 in San Ignacio. Ojo de Liebre is the largest and main calving lagoon where over half of the worlds gray whales are born. It is awesome to observe the mother's and calves nursing and teaching their lovely babies how to spy hop and breach. There you see much more natural behavior as they are not as disturbed by boats. While I too love petting whales, we must remember that human habituated animals are in more danger of being killed and the point of whale watching is just that...to watch...observe and appreciate thier beauty...not race around trying to touch them. This whole whale touching phenomenon has become rather obscene in my opinion as people now come to expect to touch a whale and companies even guarantee touching!! Kind of whale pimping.This makes me sad as it puts alot of pressure on the boat operators to get close to a whale...sometimes in San Ignacio I feel like the whales are just resigned to this and swim up to a boat just to get it over with. In the old days,whales were afraid of boats and kept their distance but now they have not only lost their fear but even challenge the pangas to the point of being dangerous. You don't hear much about these accidents but I assure you, they happen. I have seen a real change in whale behavior over the last 20 years...yes they are more "friendly" but are also much more agressive. There have been many more accidents as whales are now coming right up to boats and they don't always see the animals and so run them over which makes the whales kinda mad and they slap the panga away. I can tell you, it's no fun getting tail slapped by a 30' angry whale. So all of you whale watchers, please be kind to these lovely sensitive creatures...respect their lives and their space and don't pressure your captain to get too close. Just enjoy thier splendid presence.

abreojos - 1-26-2007 at 08:10 PM

Call it paradise and kiss it goodbye...

David K - 1-26-2007 at 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by BAJACAT

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IMHO= In My Humble Opinion

greta-inbaja - 1-26-2007 at 10:55 PM

Shari is right on... Whale petting, shark feeding, kinda light in the 1960s at Yellowstone. Put honey on childs face so you could get a picture of the bear licking it.

IMHO

BAJACAT - 1-27-2007 at 09:22 AM

Darn Dk you always have my back thanks.,I have been told there is nothing like a dumm question. now I know somenthing different.

Shari

DianaT - 1-27-2007 at 10:21 AM

Hi,
I really like what you wrote and agree. We also enjoy the campground and whale watching at Ojo de Liebre and we will be there soon---we hope! Since we have to leave the pups in the truck, we like to go out as early as possible and have been a little frustrated before waiting for more people. But, we do understand and appreciate the economics involed. We just need more whale watchers to get up earlier. :tumble:

Also, when we went whale watching out of Lopez Mateos, we found them to be very sensitive to the whales and did not try to approach them---the driver also had a long pole that he used to fish trash out of the water----his whole attitude reflected a real respect for all of the environment.

I highly recommend both the whale watching and camping at Ojo de Liebre. --- Oh, if you are not camping, you can stay in Guerrero Negro and either book a "tour" out there, but it is really easy to drive out there.

Have a great time
Diane

shari - 1-28-2007 at 09:45 AM

Thanks Diane, and I agree about Lopez Mateos...it is the ONLY lagoon where there is actually a fisheries patrol boat that enforces the regulations, which is why they are more respectful. In 1988 I was honored to design those regulations and I'm very proud of my work....the problem is in the other lagoons there is no enforcement...so it's up to the operators...kinda like the fox guarding the hen house. The tours from town go to the mouth of the lagoon which is a different experience than the inner lagoon where the nursing groups congregate. What I love about driving yourself to the lagoon is the total experience ....being on the beach...looking for obsidian arrowheads and petrified sharks teeth and just hangin out with the guys, playing music, chatting, and of course watching the whale action from shore. There is nothing like lying in your tent listening to the individual blows and the little spits of the babies...makes it hard to go to sleep. Viva ballenas.

BajaDanD - 1-28-2007 at 12:16 PM

I totally agree with you Shari I love the camp ground at Ojo de Liebre and the Whale watching operation there we have gone there the last 5 years and been to San Ignacio a few times too Ojo de Liebre is our favorite.
We will be down your way in Asuncion and surrounding areas Campo Rene and Estero cayote in mid March. We will stop for one day at Ojo de Liebre and see the whales
Cant wait
DAND

[Edited on 1-29-2007 by BajaDanD]

Capt. George - 1-28-2007 at 12:36 PM

Look up Ignacio Springs, a B&B run by a canadian couple Gary & Terry.

Great place and they'll set you up with whale watching...

good luck

Pstreet1 - 1-31-2007 at 04:01 PM

Shari, we'd like very much to experience whales as you have, but we're not campers. Can you recommend a hotel in the area, and perhaps tell me how I might reach the hotel to make a reservation? We'd go anytime in February. I'm also wondering if it will be difficult to secure a spot on a boat at that time.

Any information appreciated.

greta-inbaja - 1-31-2007 at 06:17 PM

The camping sound pretty incredible. If I could be lucky enough to hear the whales at night that would be hard to beat. We went diving in Hawaii once and you could hear them under water and it was very special. Any nomads planning on camping at Ojo de Liebre in early Feb? Since we will have our dog with us, finding a boat earlier in the days sound like a good idea if possible.
Thanks,
CC

shari - 2-1-2007 at 07:47 AM

Why don't you join us on Feb.23, you can stay in a lovely hotel in Guerero Negro and then drive out to the lagoon and go out with us. We are organizing a Nomad experience and we will either camp on Feb.22 or if it's bad weather stay in GN too. Why don't you come out to Asuncion after whale watching?? I can make reservations for you at Los Caracoles in GN. Regarding Malarimo Hotel...it is a classic because it's the most expensive, touristy and used to have the best restaurant when Eddie was the cook there, but he has his own restaurant now Las Cazuelas which has great food and great prices too, it's just coming into town on the right side and has lots of plants out front. I won't get into the politics of the way Malarimo got popular...it's not pretty...but I personally do not recommend it. There are several other very nice options that would be more helpful to the local folks there.

Pstreet1 - 2-1-2007 at 11:05 AM

We were thinking of The Desert Inn, formerly La Pinta. Any opinions on that one? Can you recommend others? On the sites I looked at, Malarimo was less expensive than La Pinta, so we were going to go with it, but if that's not a good option, we'll switch: we're easy.

We'd love to join you on the 23rd. Count us in if we can get hotel reservations. There will be two of us, Pat (female) and Terry (male); the names make it hard to tell which is which. :-)

shari - 2-2-2007 at 08:58 AM

The old Pinta is OK but it's far from town and was a little run down for the prices but it's kinda neat...old style hacienda type place. I would try Los Caracoles as it's new and very nice and reasonably priced and well run. Would you like me to make the reservations for you?? Maybe we can all have dinner in town on the 22nd of February at Las Cazuelas? a few doors down from Los Caracoles.

Cypress - 2-2-2007 at 12:14 PM

Whale watching? :tumble:

Think maybe those whales would rather be left alone. :yes:

Pstreet1 - 2-2-2007 at 07:32 PM

Sounds great! I just sent the Hotel Caracoles an email saying we wanted a room for two nights. Hopefully, I will hear back from them soon that they have space for us.

Would the whale trip be with Malarrimo? It appears they have two tours: 8:00-12:00 and 11:00-3:00. Which is best?

Let me know and I'll try to get a reservation.

If the tour is with someone else, that's fine. Save us two spaces on your boat and we'll pay for it when we get there.

Dinner sounds good also. We're looking forward to meeting you and the whales.

Where are you in Baja? We're in Rosarito Beach. My email is Pstreet1@aol.com

abreojos - 2-3-2007 at 06:35 AM

31 years ago I stumbled onto Ojo de Liebre by accident and heard the whales breathing at night for the first time. Don't know why there are bad reports about Laguna San Ignacio it was well regulated last time I was there in 2001. Whales even followed us as we headed back to camp. In my opinion they are both great places, but not necessarly because of the people or lack there of, but because of the star of the show as they now have become. We were the only people there 31 years ago!

shari - 2-3-2007 at 09:06 AM

Don't get me wrong, anywhere you can spend time observing the gentle giants is wonderful. I was just trying to shed more light on the difference between the lagoons and they are all very different. It is just that San Ignacio is the best promoted and has the most humans and lots of plane traffic and the whale:human ratio is not ideal but thousands of people have had incredible experiences there too. You are right about Ignacio Springs...it's divine and the food rocks! Wanna kayak...go to Magdelena Bay...wanna groove in the inner sancuary with nearly 2,000 grays, go to Ojo de Liebre...wherever you go please remember to respect our crusty amigos.

Pstreet1 - 2-3-2007 at 09:00 PM

Shari, questions about the tour in the earlier post--should I make reservations for us (and if so, at what time to be with your group?) or can you save us two places and we'll pay when we get there?

shari - 2-4-2007 at 06:27 PM

We'll wing it...I'd like to see who's driving the pangas and wait for one of my favorites...it's first come first serve there so we'll just hang out and hope to get out in the morning sometime. OUr Nomad boat is full and Sirena said she'd guide a second boat. The Iflyfishwhennotwhalewatching are coming plus Diver and others so I can guarantee an interesting day!

David K - 2-4-2007 at 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Whale watching? :tumble:

Think maybe those whales would rather be left alone. :yes:

From what I have seen (on videos) and read/ heard, the whales come to the pangas, which park in a spot and wait. The whales seek out the pangas and even push their young close to the humans for contact!

The whales are pretty big and can go where ever they want and could smash a panga with ease. The animals seem smart enough to do the decision making for themselves.

Check it out for yourself and then decide if you want to deny the whales and people that contact.

Pstreet1 - 2-4-2007 at 11:53 PM

Shari, We have a reservation at the hotel you recommended for Feb. 22 and Feb 23. What time to meet for dinner on the 22nd;? We'll be driving in from Rosarito; what do you think we should allow for driving time? Really looking forward to this!

shari - 2-5-2007 at 06:18 PM

I think you mean El Rosario (baja cactus) from there it's about a 5 hour drive if ya don't stop. I think we'd like an early dinner so we can set up camp not too late, maybe even a late lunch would be better say around 3 or 4:00. We'll come to your hotel and look for you...we now have a full boat and Sirena may have to guide a second boat. Maybe you can brong down a GOT BAJA sticker for us from David! Oh yeah, and a bag of brown rice please! (to feed me and not the whales!!) can't wait either!

Pstreet1 - 2-5-2007 at 11:30 PM

Don't know how to get in touch with David for the sticker, but the next time we're across the border, we'll get the bag of brown rice.

David K - 2-6-2007 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Pstreet1
Don't know how to get in touch with David for the sticker, but the next time we're across the border, we'll get the bag of brown rice.

It is no secret, details on my web page (VivaBaja.com) and Nomad...

Send me your mailing address (to my email info*at*vivabaja.com), put 'sticker' or 'got baja' in the subject line!

I will put stickers in the mail for you and Shari....

dgi - 2-6-2007 at 02:30 PM

Shari, as I watch and respect your postings each day,I have to say that San Ignacio is the only lagoon some of us can get to in a timely manor to see the whales. We have gone in our plane for the last 3 years and this will be our fourth. Each trip, it is expressed by the pangas to wait for the whales to come to us and not us to them. It is their decision to come to the pangas. I think they are as curious as we are to see us. Also, the pangas have told us not to make noise,or pound on the boat hull to try to get the whales to come over to us. We go with Kuyama. They seem to have a great respect for the whales and the enviroment. If you see it differently,as you live there, Iwould like to hear from you.

shari - 2-7-2007 at 08:54 AM

Well I can only say that every trip is different depending mostly on your lanchero, time of year, weather...and the whales moods. I know some lancheros that just have to put themselves out there and their whale pals come to them...I know others that cant get near a whale and they noticeable swim away when that panga approaches them. these incompetent or poorly trained drivers chase whales around all day every day because the whales know them and don't trust them...these guys are dangerous to the whales and they avoid them for their own safety. Whales quickly learn who the trustworthy drivers are and know them by the sound of their panga...in my many years of research it was fascinating to see how whales react differently to different lancheros. If a lanchero earns the whales trust in the first couple weeks in the lagoon, he makes a pal for the whole season and that whale will visit him regularly. But it is deceiving what David mentioned about whales coming to you as the lanchero has to KNOW which whales are more cooperative and they do....what they do is get to know where their pals hang out and usually try to find them...the lancheros put you where you need to be (although most people don't notice that) so make sure if you have a good experience, tip the guy well...He's the one who got you to the cool whales. Kuyima is generally a good company and
San Ignacio is fine if you don't mind lots of people, planes, gringo companies with lots of pangas. Most people love it as they advertise that you can fondle whales there and most people want that. I have had many bad experiences there and witnessed atrocities of boats chasing whales and also where several boats have boxed in a calf, separated it from it's mom which can be a real problem as sometimes the mom gets alarmed and can hit the boats if she can't get her calf to come back to her. Also seen as many as 12 boats trying to get close to one poor whale. It's definately a double edged sword. I've also had some incredible experiences there with Maldo...a truly great lanchero...so as I say your experiences depend on many factors...hope this clears things up for you....oh yeah, you can fly into guerrero negro and get a taxi to the lagoon too...lots of my friends do that...great hotels, restaurants and service.

rbwrivers - 2-7-2007 at 10:14 AM

What is it that keeps Ojo de Libre from being crowded like San Ignacio?

marla - 2-7-2007 at 01:02 PM

I've been whale watching multiple times in both lagoons and my experience was that Ojo de Libre was way more crowded than San Ignacio.

Pstreet1 - 2-7-2007 at 08:18 PM

Shari, we will definitely be there the 22nd--but we're now a party of 4 rather than 2; another couple has joined us.

Really looking forward to it!

Pat

Pstreet1 - 2-7-2007 at 08:25 PM

David, you've got mail. :-)

shari - 2-8-2007 at 10:13 AM

Like I said everyone...your experience totally depends on what day you go, weather, lanchero etc. etc. For example sometimes in Ojo de Liebre there aren't even enough people there to fill one boat and you have to wait for more to come...after waiting awhile they'll take you anyway if no one shows up....BUT for example if you go Presidents Day Weekend there might be 600 people there....a few tour buses etc... I lived there for 10 years and have been to the other lagoons alot as well so I have a pretty sound idea of numbers and what goes on in each lagoon. San Ignacio does the most advertising for petting whales, they do alot of fly-in business and have very large tourist "camps" there at the lagoon plus there are alot of operators...there were permits for 23 boats in one small observation area (a couple years back...maybe more now) whereas Ojo de Liebre only had 6 in each of the 2 areas...and believe me it was only on Presidents day weekend when 6 boats were running. Usually there are 3 or 4 and often you are the only boat out...plus ODL is a much bigger observation area with about 1,200 more whales in it...so you have more to choose from. It is the main calving lagoon and over half the gray whale population was born there. It is the primary nursery so the lancheros have a bit different attidtude to chasing and touching them. Each week is different as the calves are at a different developmental stage. I guess I'll just have to get busy and publish my whale behavior book....any more questions??

Pstreet1 - 2-8-2007 at 11:23 AM

Can't wait!

rbwrivers - 2-8-2007 at 06:00 PM

Shari do you know the whales individually and do you name them?

David K - 2-8-2007 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Pstreet1
David, you've got mail. :-)

Yup, stickers for you and Shari mailed today, plus an extra small one for where ever?

Pstreet1 - 2-12-2007 at 12:23 PM

Stickers have arrived and are ready to transport to Shari, and I've got her brown rice. We're all set--except that we are clueless. Is there anything we need to know before setting out on our first trip south of Ensenada at 7:00 a.m. the 22nd? Fuel stops? Bathroom stops? Lunch stop? Approximate time required? Anything to be on the alert for?

Shari

Tomas Tierra - 2-12-2007 at 07:15 PM

Do you know if you are allowed to put a kayak in the water at Ojo's??

THey have been very strict with us in th past when we showed up at San Ig. with kayaks (we had no intention of putting in at San Ig. just had them along)...

Thanx!

photo of my then 2 Y/O daughter lovin it..

windy and whale.JPG - 30kB

shari - 2-12-2007 at 08:20 PM

Absolutely NO vessels of any kind in Ojo de Liebre...strictly prohibited and dangerous..will confiscate kayaks and give you a big fine too...there is a big sign at the entrance...but it's fun to kayak in Laguna Manuela with whales just be real careful and make sure you make noise so they know you are coming.

Ken Bondy - 2-12-2007 at 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by shari
...San Ignacio is fine if you don't mind lots of people, planes, gringo companies with lots of pangas. Most people love it as they advertise that you can fondle whales there and most people want that. I have had many bad experiences there and witnessed atrocities of boats chasing whales and also where several boats have boxed in a calf, separated it from it's mom which can be a real problem as sometimes the mom gets alarmed and can hit the boats if she can't get her calf to come back to her. Also seen as many as 12 boats trying to get close to one poor whale.

shari I think you know I have enormous respect for you (and we do share the same last name

) but I have to disagree with you. I have watched the whales in all three lagoons for more than 25 years now and in my humble opinion your description here of San Ignacio sounds, to me, much more like the other two lagoons, particularly Magdalena, than it does of San Ignacio. Just the fact that San Ignacio is so much more remote and difficult to get to than the other lagoons suggests that it would be less congested. I have always found Laguna San Ignacio much more remote and peaceful in its solitude than either Ojo de Liebre or Magdalena, and the pangueros, particularly Kuyima's pangueros, very respectful of the whales. I have never seen any "atrocities" there.

[Edited on 2-13-2007 by Ken Bondy]

Ken Bondy - 2-12-2007 at 08:45 PM

This is the secret to how the Kuyima pangueros get the whales to follow them around all day

bajajudy - 2-13-2007 at 10:02 AM

I have to agree with Ken. San Ignacio pangeros are the best. They love the whales and I have never seen any of them chasing the whales.
Lopez Mateos is another story. Although I love the place and it is nice to board the panga from a dock instead of wading out to it, the pangeros there do chase the whales. In "Eye of the Whale" Dick Russell even mentions their tactics.
I have only gone out in Scammonds Lagoon once and we didnt really have a wonderful trip but I, too, enjoy the shore show there. We camped at Ojo de Liebre and I was thrilled to be awakened with the sound of the whales blowing. What a great alarm clock. I did a trip report on that but I guess it just got erased. ah well.

David K - 2-13-2007 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
I have to agree with Ken. San Ignacio pangeros are the best. They love the whales and I have never seen any of them chasing the whales.
Lopez Mateos is another story. Although I love the place and it is nice to board the panga from a dock instead of wading out to it, the pangeros there do chase the whales. In "Eye of the Whale" Dick Russell even mentions their tactics.
I have only gone out in Scammonds Lagoon once and we didnt really have a wonderful trip but I, too, enjoy the shore show there. We camped at Ojo de Liebre and I was thrilled to be awakened with the sound of the whales blowing. What a great alarm clock. I did a trip report on that but I guess it just got erased. ah well.

Is this it?: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=8669#pid64058

Or here?: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=8496

[Edited on 2-13-2007 by David K]

shari - 2-13-2007 at 12:48 PM

I shall repeat this again, it totally depends on who you go out with, on what days, time of year etc. etc. etc. but I certainly respect your humble opinions. But I'm sure 25 years back San Ignacio was pretty mellow as were all of them.

Did she really say "WHALE PIMPING?

synch - 2-13-2007 at 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by shari
The best place to see whales totally depends on what kind of person you are and how you FEEL about whales. If you like lots of gringo companies, lots of boats, planes and tourists chasing whales around to try to touch them...then yes San Ignacio is for you. There there is more mating activity,and is a much smaller lagoon with many more boats. If you like a more respectful approach with fewer humans and more whales doing their natural whale thing which is raising their babies...then Ojo de Liebre (scammons lagoon) is a better bet. My favorit place to observe whales is driving out to the lagoon south of Guerrero Negro and camping where you can hear the whales blowing all night and see them from shore spy hopping at dawn. There are very few boats there and not alot of people either. The boats leave on demand and often there are just a few people on board and you can wait and choose the folks you want to go out with which really makes a big difference on your trip...and often you are the only boat out with the animals...and there are between 1,500 and 2.000 whales there as opposed to 3-400 in San Ignacio. Ojo de Liebre is the largest and main calving lagoon where over half of the worlds gray whales are born. It is awesome to observe the mother's and calves nursing and teaching their lovely babies how to spy hop and breach. There you see much more natural behavior as they are not as disturbed by boats. While I too love petting whales, we must remember that human habituated animals are in more danger of being killed and the point of whale watching is just that...to watch...observe and appreciate thier beauty...not race around trying to touch them. This whole whale touching phenomenon has become rather obscene in my opinion as people now come to expect to touch a whale and companies even guarantee touching!! Kind of whale pimping. This makes me sad as it puts alot of pressure on the boat operators to get close to a whale...sometimes in San Ignacio I feel like the whales are just resigned to this and swim up to a boat just to get it over with. In the old days,whales were afraid of boats and kept their distance but now they have not only lost their fear but even challenge the pangas to the point of being dangerous. You don't hear much about these accidents but I assure you, they happen. I have seen a real change in whale behavior over the last 20 years...yes they are more "friendly" but are also much more agressive. There have been many more accidents as whales are now coming right up to boats and they don't always see the animals and so run them over which makes the whales kinda mad and they slap the panga away. I can tell you, it's no fun getting tail slapped by a 30' angry whale. So all of you whale watchers, please be kind to these lovely sensitive creatures...respect their lives and their space and don't pressure your captain to get too close. Just enjoy thier splendid presence.

Did she really say "WHALE PIMPING?

Perhaps Jesse can start a new reality TV show "Pimp my whale!"

[Edited on 2-13-2007 by synch]

Pstreet1 - 2-13-2007 at 05:31 PM

Shari, our current plan is to leave Rosarito Beach about 7:00 a.m. We figure that will put us in town between three and four.

However, should we be delayed and not make it in time to meet you, what time should we be at the beach to connect for the pongas? (And I need to give you your rice and Get Baja sticker)

Pat

shari - 2-14-2007 at 12:43 PM

We'll have coffee at the restaurant beside the ticket booth at around 8:30, make sure you change your clocks...we're 1 hour later here. It takes about 45 minutes to drive out to the lagoon. Don't forget extra batteries for your camera and warm clothes. There will be other Nomads staying at Los Caracoles too that night. Hope to see ya for dinner at Las Cazuelas.

Pstreet1 - 2-14-2007 at 01:12 PM

We're going to try to be there. We've moved our departure to 6:00 a.m., hoping to be in town early enough to meet you. What time are you thinking of for dinner?

In any case, we'll see you for coffee at 8:30--thanks for the clock information.

shari - 2-15-2007 at 08:40 AM

Yep sometime between 3 & 4 would be great, I'm sure we'll be there awhile. Hasta pronto