BajaNomad - Save the bull for something else

Save the bull for something else

Sharksbaja - 2-2-2007 at 01:33 PM

and other animals from cruelty sports. Maybe I would go see a bullfight if they were like this:

minimatador

Now that's entertainment! :lol:

Don't you think dog fights are much more entertaining, and you can get close to the action! (drool)
I'll bet some Nomad(s) would not partake of that. Why? Do they have and like dogs?

Animals getting hurt for the pleasure of humans? Que divertivo para sadico!

Oh, don't bother to reply here if you like to see bulls teased and hurt then killed. Tis only fair someone defends the animals(and some others' views).

So it is cultural, so what, so were the Gladiator events. You know, lions and tigers....and men.

Man those recessive genes are hard to shake!
End of flame.

DENNIS - 2-2-2007 at 02:02 PM

People who even think that dog fighting is good or entertaining, are garbage.

bajadogs - 2-2-2007 at 02:24 PM

Thanks for that Sharks! I just downloaded an old cartoon "Ferdinand the Bull" for my daughter. Ferdinand refuses to fight in the ring, preferring to sit down and smell the flowers. An old classic.

Dennis, damn straight!!!

Bajaboy - 2-2-2007 at 02:35 PM

so are you proposing to outlaw hunting and fishing....that too is a pretty unfair fight.....just curious how far you're willing to go to protect the animals...

Zac

Trolling for Bull

MrBillM - 2-2-2007 at 02:52 PM

Until now, I hadn't noticed anyone launching into any diatribes in support or defense of Bull-Fighting so I'm assuming that there's just a little pot-stirring going on.

There are numerous examples of "sport" or "entertainment" among the world's cultures that I don't understand or embrace. Bullfighting is certainly one of those. I've never been to one or seen one and have no desire to. However, I accept that they have a long tradition among some cultures (including Mexico) and are embraced to this day.

Bajaboy has a valid point. Where do you draw the line ? By the same standard, animal hunting is cruel, too. For that matter, the slaughter of animals for food purposes is a pretty gruesome business.

It has to be enough to simply refuse to participate in those activities we find objectionable, report them where they are illegal and make known our objections when queried.

I DO have an old friend (Nisei) who was a Matador in his youth. Nicest guy you'd ever meet.

It's not just about killing an animal

Sharksbaja - 2-2-2007 at 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajaboy
so are you proposing to outlaw hunting and fishing....that too is a pretty unfair fight.....just curious how far you're willing to go to protect the animals...

Zac

To me the act of inflicting pain and death for sheer spectartor pleasure is what strikes an unappealling chord. I'm against the idea of cheering collectively on bloodletting and it bothers my conscience. Humans are obviously more intelligent than bulls. They might get lucky once and awhile but let's face it, we take advantage of their stupidity by fooling them with red fabric and fancy footwork..
That you would compare fish and bulls is fair I suppose to some but to me they are leagues away in terms of "entertainment value". Is it a moral issue? I guess that depends on how you interpret the sport to begin with.

Some kill and eat dogs too but I'm against that also.
If you kill it you best eat it. It bugs me when cats kill small animals for sheer pleasure or instinct.I feel just as strongly about fish bycatch. It should be illegal in most cases to waste fish.

Now we will hear how they eat the animal later. Gawd, I hope so.

Dave - 2-2-2007 at 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
To me the act of inflicting pain and death for sheer spectartor pleasure is what strikes an unappealling chord.

So, how do you feel about sportfishing?

Sharksbaja - 2-2-2007 at 03:49 PM

I knew that was the next question so I waited. I think fishing for the purpose of acquiring food is part of how we managed to survive as a race.
If you mean sportfishing to capture fish for sheer pleasure, I have mixed feelings really. Your point obviously being that those animals are teased and fooled and probably distressed. I don't like it, but it's hard for me to equate the two. The act of poking objects into an animal seems like some kind of ugly inhumane way to peeoff the animal so it can be intentionally fooled and hurt again. Sportfishing misses that step. Plus they usually return the animal to live if they practice catch and release. Do I think everyone should go out and catch their limits if they have a freezer full at home and will end up giving it away to anyone. No.

bancoduo - 2-2-2007 at 03:54 PM

The bulls are eaten. I would rather be a bull running free in the fields,then a steer who spends his life in a feed lot; before it's demise.

You mean...like... hooks?

Dave - 2-2-2007 at 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
The act of poking objects into an animal seems like some kind of ugly inhumane way to peeoff the animal so it can be intentionally fooled and hurt again. Sportfishing misses that step.

What would you call a sport which leaves an animal alive to relive the experience?

Iflyfish - 2-2-2007 at 04:21 PM

Interesting post Sharks.

By the way, are you watching the Super Bowl? Love those high flying players when they are hit on a dead run! It always touches me when they are hauled of the field to the applause of the audience.

I would suppose that you also think Tyson went over the edge with Hollyfield? Seen any good bouts lately, or do you think the good days are over now that Tyson is gone? I love to hear the clarity of Mohamad Allahe as he tries to speak now a days.

Did you see the spectacular crash in the last Indi 500? Amazing, end over end flip!

Did you catch "Shock and Awe"? Spectacular video! Spectacular!! One of the most viewed programs in history!! Great prep, lots of flags everywhere, lots of high fives!!

Now I personally think that the fastest growing spectator sport in America, Ultimate Fighting, has a ring that is way too big. But that may be personal perspective. Maybe a matter of taste.

I personally dropped out of wrestling during the reign of Georgeus George. Now that was pre-WWW and where they took the sport.

Now Survivor, that's another story. Watching those scantily clad, poor buggers, struggle for survival and $1,000,000 has lost most of it's appeal with the advent of the Japanese programs where players routinely fall on their crotches on some balance beam they are supposed to cross.

I have missed the evening news lately, and thus my daily hit of maddness and mayhem.

My brother once encountered a rabid Vegitarian, Berkley bred, militant type, who criticized him for ordering his hamburger. He offered a deal, "I stop eating beef, if you become Jainest. The Jainests won't eat anything unless it falls dead from the tree, and no fare shaking the tree.

The last is a bit off point, as you are flaming over the use of animals for blood sport and entertainment. It is however a pretty good story no?

I happen to believe that human beings are not very noble. There is good evidence to support the conclusion that human beings are are genocidal by NATURE. Given this propensity for violence, I am always pleased to see that there are forms of entertainment that channel this aggression. Better a bull than a Mullah, from my perspective.

Now one can argue that blood sports actually encourage aggressive behavior, this may be so. I have not read the literature on that one and there may be nomads who can clarify this issue.

I appreciate your thoughtful post. By the way, seen any good slapstick comedy lately?

Iflyfishwhennotcontemplatingviolence

vgabndo - 2-2-2007 at 04:25 PM

There is just as bad going on in our own culture. Our local conservative cable company here airs a network where if you see video of a beautiful wild animal, you only have to wait a moment to see it die.

The worst of the bunch are the "christian" sportsmen who leave food and garbage in bear country for a few weeks, then hide in a tree and when the bear comes they wound it with an arrow. When it has had plenty of time to suffer and die, they track it by its blood loss and have their picture taken while gasping "Oh thank you JESUS what a beautiful animal." They are literally shaking with blood lust.

It is just the opposite of "proving you're a man".

I believe that bull fighting is in decline. There is every evidence that meat hunting with inferior weapons is on the rise.

Not cool.

Yes I fish, but I stop when I have what I can use, and I kill them as fast as I can when I catch them. Leaving them flopping in the bottom of the boat to suffocate seems torturous.

dos centavos

Sharksbaja - 2-2-2007 at 04:27 PM

Sure Dave, what's the difference if that's what you are trying to do. It would be unfair to repeatedly hook the same fish.

When do you call it a sport ? That is what you are talking about, pure sport right, not fodder for the table?
I gotta go to work. I'll think about what you said while I am filleting fish.

Osprey - 2-2-2007 at 04:50 PM

Buzzbee International Newsletter

Dear Members; You all knew we would be catching some flack from all over with the announcement of our Second Annual Buzzbee Hummingbird Tournament. This one, June 12 thru 16 in Panama has lit up more boards than I could have guessed.
I expected a lot of noise from the Audubon people, a lot of bird huggers but Ducks Unlimited? Come on!! And the billfish people. I know I have had to mention some striking similarities between our tournaments and theirs in a few of my flyers and editorial pieces.
When they jump on us I send them the standard stuff in reply; a copy of our Certificate of Standardization for our mist nets and our scales. They all know we are after the smallest bird, not the largest and though our prey might be different in that respect, we follow the same kinds of game protection practices they employ — at times we exceed them. For example we allow no mist netting within 50 feet of a known nesting site.
I have been very clear and vocal with these groups. Yes, some birds are injured, killed in the nets. Yes, some birds are killed, harmed, eaten by raptors, shrikes, even spiders when tournament entrants can’t get to the nets quick enough. To the billfish tournament groups I submit that we lose far fewer birds than they lose billfish (per tournament).

The fishing people have harangued me to death about some things:

A.. Catch and Release, Catch and Release. We release every bird that’s unharmed, able to fly. Always have, Always will.

B. Charitable Contributions. All proceeds of Buzzbee Tournaments International go to charities chosen by the board at our annual meeting in October of each year. In 2001, our first year, we were able to give some $68,000 to several worthwhile causes around the globe.

C. Animal Protection. All the billfish organizations claim that their tournaments aid the fishery, help the fish. I don’t know how that can be. How does catching (harming) fish help the fishery, help the fish? The charity dollars go everywhere except back into the fishery to grow more fish. It seems to me that if you are successful at promoting fishing for billfish, more fish will be caught, killed, injured. The greater your success, the more fish you kill, injure.

Members, take heart. I will continue to keep the record straight with these groups. I’ll update them each time we add another protection service. In February I alerted them about our new rules concerning mandatory net alarms, weighing area enclosure standards, updated feeder placement regulations (including allowable nectar formulae).

Until next time, “Find the Wee One, Win the Big One”, keep the Bees Buzzin.

Osprey

Oso - 2-2-2007 at 05:19 PM

Who's up for a nice friendly round of goat pulling? :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rChy0zXR-g&NR

BTW, thanks Sharks, for starting this discussion of comparative ethics in another thread. I'd like to keep the other one restricted to El Juli & other matadors. Like I said, I respect your views whether or not I may share them.

DENNIS - 2-2-2007 at 06:16 PM

What a bunch of crap.
If it causes pain or distress to an animal, just for your personal edification, it puts you into a catagory of , " human sans understanding or compassion ". How can you love your dog if you have no feeling for a fish?
Bow-hunters are the worst. Lite-tackle fisherman come next.
If you have to kill something....kill it. Dont torture it.
Oh please, dont give me the crap of " fisherman as provider ". What thrills the fisherman is the bent rod, the tug-of-war. The feeling of dominance when the fish is landed.
Good for all you fishermen. Catch'em and eat'em. But, dont think for a minute that you havn't inflicted pain on an animal.

Osprey - 2-2-2007 at 07:01 PM

Dennis, pretty strong stuff. Are you just trying to bait us? Pun intended. I'll bite! You just pulling our long chains? How deeply do you feel about killing/keeping/torturing animals/birds/fish? You will be starting a very long and interesting thread if you are on the square. I'll be the first to say that I disagree with your view of hunting/fishing practices, methods, morals about as far as I could stretch your argument.

DENNIS - 2-2-2007 at 08:10 PM

Osprey ---

Disagree with my views if you will but, my morals are mine. I'm not here to argue my position on a decent application of humane values. Only to state mine. What is your choice, Osprey? To be a heartless killer or a heartfelt killer?

vgabndo - 2-2-2007 at 08:22 PM

Dennis:

I predict it is only a matter of a very short time before someone fills in these blanks.

Spiritually speaking, God said that men will dominate the Earth and all the speciaes of the land and sea and that they would serve as food and as by products such as cloths.. Adam and Eve were handed animal skins as clothing.. So this be at peace with nature and all the animals is truly just emotions talking. You will find that when the going gets tough, the tough go eat, what ever is on the table, even if it is a slaughtered bull.

Wow, it took longer than I thought. SoCalAl has stepped over the line. :lol:

02062007

[Edited on 2-3-2007 by vgabndo]

[Edited on 2-6-2007 by vgabndo]

DENNIS - 2-2-2007 at 08:24 PM

Aw, c'mon vag........... Why don't you fill in the blanks.

Mike Supino - 2-2-2007 at 08:39 PM

Please join the S.T.C.

"S.T.C." = save the c-ckroaches

DENNIS - 2-2-2007 at 08:46 PM

If you want to be saved, go to church.

djh - 2-2-2007 at 10:31 PM

So....... WHAT was that little boy-cow doing.....

Falling down in laughter, or trying to start an entirely new species???

Great little video.

Speaking of no Bull..... vegetarian at 16 years old.... Never had a McMeat sandwich... I never liked the thought of killing (or being responsible for it) anything.... Just born that way.... Not preaching, mind you ~ I believe that everyone should think and consider and then follow their own conscience.... and live with their own conscience (and karma)....

And yes, I have a sense of humor about myself.... My percussionist buddy says.... "If god hadn't wanted us to eat cows, he wouldn't have made them outta MEAT".... Even I had a good laugh at that one !

Senseless sufferring and wasted life of any kind.... I'll speak up on that...

Certainly an emotional issue

Sharksbaja - 2-3-2007 at 02:25 AM

What I am trying to understand is why people fascinate themselves with the sport and why others can get all worked up over such a sport so fixed in history and feelings.
Deeply rooted in culture, socially accepted and promoted "sports" like bullfighting, soccer even golf bring out deep feelings that tiddlywinks won't.
When dealing with sport animals and their welfare left in our hands we do face a social conundrum and that may be perceived differently by others.
While most sports force to us deal with our own physical pain, this sport makes us responsible for the animals welfare on a spectator approved level.
Is it because the "kill" does not usher in the "thanksgiving" for putting a bounty on the table and that that is obvious, that gets me?
See, I was taught to kill animals for food not for entertainment. I never pleasured in watching someone kill an animal regardless of what it was or the way it was killed.
I guess I could say the older I get the more it rouses me. I have done my share of killing animals in my life. I don't brag about it. I ain't no saint tho but nowadays I try to consciencely limit the damage I inflict on Mother Nature. :saint:

Exception: Rattlesnakes. :mad:

Thanx Oso for your intelligent peaceful manner of discussion.

abreojos - 2-3-2007 at 05:48 AM

It is good to have these skills if it ever comes down to survival, excluding bull fighting of course, but considering the fact that most species of game fish are endangered and that there are probably more domesticated animals than wild along with far too many people, a new perspective of these old cave man habits needs to be considered. Problem is we all gotta eat. I expect, unless there is some kind of major disaster we will hit critical mass sometime in the next 20-50 years! So what do you do when there are more destroyers than savers? Use those skills, but you just might be eating your neighbor if everything else has already been eaten! You just might start looking at him or her a little differently next time you see them!

Osprey - 2-3-2007 at 08:23 AM

I knew this was gonna be an interesting thread. So many sides to it. I'm a born killer, can't help it. I feel better about it that so many of you don't kill things but you don't mind if I do it. This has turned out better than I thought. I don't kill rattlesnakes or tarantulas. I don't know why. When I see em on a road I stop and take them far from the road so they won't get run over. Maybe hunting is a feminine trait -- I refuse to wear any kind of makeup when I hunt (or fish).

Oso - 2-3-2007 at 08:45 AM

Cada cabeza un mundo aparte. Me, I try not to kill rattlers unless they have a den near where children play. Where I live, sidewinders are inevitable because our new subdivision has encroached on their turf. When possible, I capture them and release them in more remote areas. I think of them as "noble", even though they are not cuddly. What other venomous snake warns you to back off? I also think of fighting bulls as noble and raised for a noble destiny. But, yeah, that's cultural. When they are young, the males of this breed are seperated according to whether or not they exhibit traits suitable for the corrida. Those that do are labeled "toro" and sent to one corral. Those that don't are labeled "buey" and sent to another. With very few exceptions, they all will end up in the butcher shop. But the former will stay "intact" and have a (slim) chance to retire to stud. The latter are soon castrated and bound for slaughter as soon as they are marketable. I know which I'd prefer in reincarnation if that's my karma and I will admit that when I go to the plaza, I'm always hoping to see an "indulto".

vandenberg - 2-3-2007 at 08:53 AM

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[ I expect, unless there is some kind of major disaster we will hit critical mass sometime in the next 20-50 years! So what do you do when there are more destroyers than savers? Use those skills, but you just might be eating your neighbor if everything else has already been eaten! You just might start looking at him or her a little differently next time you see them!

Got my eye on a delicious 18 year old girl down the block.

Trouble is that in the 20 to 50 year long wait, she'll be an old hag and I'll be 6 feet under and most likely talking to Satan. :lol:

Iflyfish - 2-3-2007 at 09:45 AM

I just broke the tip off my canine tooth, on a bone. I hate it when that happens.

I wonder why my appendix is vestigial. In the old days it used to digest cellulose. Wish I could still ungulate like that!

If you reduce this, far enough you arrive at Jainism. Wait until it drops before you eat, and no tree shaking!

Now how’s that for pithy Osprey!

Iflyfish

Iflyfish - 2-3-2007 at 09:48 AM

Osprey,

I would welcome an invitation for a position on the Board. I have a couple of great ideas about which charitable endeavors to support.

I would also like an exclusive on the feather sales.

Iflyfish

abreojos - 2-3-2007 at 09:50 AM

I like the idea of the 18 year old

and who says you can't practice a little right now!

backninedan - 2-3-2007 at 09:52 AM

Abreojos, thats not eating, thats tasting......

abreojos - 2-3-2007 at 09:57 AM

Either way I bet it is finger lickin good!

TMW - 2-3-2007 at 10:28 AM

I quit eating tomatoes when I found out they screem when cut. Now I pet them until they rot on the vine.

Cultural?

Dave - 2-3-2007 at 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oso
I also think of fighting bulls as noble and raised for a noble destiny. But, yeah, that's cultural.

I thought you was a redneck from Nath Carolina.

Oso - 2-3-2007 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by Oso
I also think of fighting bulls as noble and raised for a noble destiny. But, yeah, that's cultural.

I thought you was a redneck from Nath Carolina.

Well, I was referring to my adopted culture. The culture I was raised in indulges in all sorts of non-PC, anti-authority, socially unacceptable and downright illegal activities like dogfighting, c-ckfighting and the manufacture and sale of non-taxpaid substances. I never really cared for the dogfighting. As for the c-ckfighting, well a chicken's a chicken as far as I care. Is that an example of discriminatory species-ism? Probably.

Osprey - 2-3-2007 at 11:50 AM

The Battle Never Ends

Pan American Association of Billfishing Competitions

To: Buzzbee International Hummingbird Tournaments
Attn: Editor/director Osprey
Ref: Your February Newsletter to Membership

Sir, My secretary’s cousin found your newsletter someplace and this very morning it showed up on my desk.

How dare you! How dare you denigrate and sully the works of thousands of dedicated billfish fishermen, tournament entrants, sponsors around the world.

My staff cautions me to let our attorneys handle this but I cannot let your comments go unchallenged for one minute.

You employ nets, we do not. We abhor the use of nets
We DO NOT (intentionally) kill or harm immature animals
In 1997 alone our member associations paid millions of dollars in lobby efforts to reduce longline/commercial netting of billfish near Nova Scotia.
Our accounting records indicate that in 1992 we paid over $600,000 to Johnny, The Arm, Jackapetto to urge members of the U.S. Senate to cancel three seine net permits for commercial fishing boats plying the coast near North Carolina.
Every member of our association has pledged the use of circle hooks, agrees to adhere to standard refresh, revive, release procedures. Entrants are committed to staying with a wounded fish, FOR TEN MINUTES until revival or death can be confirmed. Rumors of proctor/umpire payoffs in past tournaments are totally unfounded.
We are not familiar with your organization, it’s charter, membership or activities. We can guess that many of your members are what is referred to as “Birders”, sportsmen of a sort who are fairminded lovers of nature. You, Sir, are a disgrace to the world of sport.
Please find enclosed a copy of our charter, including a list of our Board of Directors. I’m sure you will recognize the names of some of the most powerful men in the world on that list.
We also submit a list of famous people who, over the last 100 years, made Billfishing what it is today. If Marion M. Morrison, one of our former Board Members, was alive today I’m sure he would show you the wrath of the righteous.
When I next learn of your egregious use of words which might associate your organization with the names of our member groups, you will hear from William Kuntsler, Attorney at Law.

F. Farthey Rockafeller, Director

Cypress - 2-3-2007 at 12:31 PM

Imagine the vegan diet is healthier, although the vegans I know have health issues just like anybody else.

Think a mixed diet, in moderation, not taken to extremes, is the best ticket. :yes:

PETA is just another group that probably started out OK, but has been taken over by the extreme fringe.

Cypress - 2-3-2007 at 12:54 PM

Expect that 212+ degree water will do just fine.:spingrin

own in Dixieland I used to purge crawfish in salt water before boiling in order to get the poop out of their GI tract until and old guy commented " You don't think they're gonna poop(not his word) when they hit that boiling water?". :spingrin:

Sharksbaja - 2-3-2007 at 01:31 PM

save the bull for something else

Oso - 2-3-2007 at 01:43 PM

I have heard it repeated several times, mostly by sweet little old lady gringas who were told this by tour guides, that the beef from the corrida bulls was donated to orphanages.

Now THAT's Bull indeed! I guess it makes them feel better, but empressarios are not noted for their altruism. They pay quite a high price for quality fighting bulls. When they have served their primary purpose, they are sold, like any other cattle, to carnecerias for whatever the market will bear, to help defray some of the overhead. Since they are definitely not as tender as steers, they are probably destined to be carne molida.

backninedan - 2-3-2007 at 01:44 PM

Put the lobsters in front of the tv watching Rosie O'Donnel, they will get bored to death

Oso - 2-3-2007 at 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
We are comtemplating buying some live lobster at our seafood market for tomorrow's dinner, but are reluctant to simply chuck the poor thing into boiling water. Being a birder, I say a load of 6-shot to the head would be swift and sure, but my wife prefers something less loud. Any suggestions?

An icepick to the thorax immediately before dropping in the water may assuage your troubled conscience. It probably won't make much difference to the lobster.

Not to worry

Sharksbaja - 2-3-2007 at 02:01 PM

"The nervous system of a lobster is decentralized and has been likened to that of a grasshopper"
----
btw
If I hadn't been nearly killed by a rattlesnake I'd have a different perspective. :wow:

bancoduo - 2-3-2007 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Oso
I have heard it repeated several times, mostly by sweet little old lady gringas who were told this by tour guides, that the beef from the corrida bulls was donated to orphanages.

Now THAT's Bull indeed! I guess it makes them feel better, but empressarios are not noted for their altruism. They pay quite a high price for quality fighting bulls. When they have served their primary purpose, they are sold, like any other cattle, to carnecerias for whatever the market will bear, to help defray some of the overhead. Since they are definitely not as tender as steers, they are probably destined to be carne molida.

By mex. law if the ground bull-beef is packaged it has to be identified. It will say something like GUAPO #43.

Oso - 2-3-2007 at 03:32 PM

Good one! :lol:

Oso - 2-3-2007 at 08:24 PM

"humane" euthanasia for that obnoxious beeyatch would be more than she deserves. :barf:

Cypress - 2-4-2007 at 05:54 AM

Pompano, There's an annual crawfish festival in Breaux Bridge, LA the first weekend in May. It's a huge party, :tumble:

complete with a parade and just about everything else thrown in the mix. :tumble:

abreojos - 2-4-2007 at 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano

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Originally posted by backninedan
Put the lobsters in front of the tv watching Rosie O'Donnel, they will get bored to death

This closely parallels another thread post: "This last summer, the giant US organic supermarket chain, Whole Foods, banned the sale of live lobster and crabs in all of its stores, due to concern that the creatures might be handled inhumanely. The company stresses "the importance of humane treatment and quality of life for all animals."

Maybe Whole Foods has watched Rosie, too.....?

I've never steamed one alive that didn't try to get out when things started getting hot, so they must feel something even if I don't!

Interesting bull(or lack thereof)

Sharksbaja - 2-4-2007 at 04:07 PM

Even though this passionate subject thread turned some eyes it sure rendered some odd feedback. Quite interesting that so many who read it failed to submit their own feelings on the subject. It could be some are too modest to shed their britches.

Big shock... :lol:

Thanks to those who understood the continuity and gist of the thread.

Then I start thinking about all the other wacky sports around. Leads me to the same old question: What the hell is a legitimate or illigitimate sport! Who /what determines all that. I suppose if people watch then it's considered a spectator sport. When I saw these two guys beating the crap outta each other on some TV contest the other day I kinda had the same feeling...it was easy enough to turn the channel. :rolleyes:

bajajudy - 2-4-2007 at 05:29 PM

Although I have only been to one bullfight in my life, I reached a bit of an understanding about the sport after reading Mitchner's "Mexico" Still wouldnt go to another one but it helped me understand the culture that surrounds the sport.

Precioso is the word used to describe a great bull...I have never been able to use that word in any context after learning that. :no:

Sharksbaja - 2-4-2007 at 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
Although I have only been to one bullfight in my life, I reached a bit of an understanding about the sport after reading Mitchner's "Mexico" Still wouldnt go to another one but it helped me understand the culture that surrounds the sport.

Precioso is the word used to describe a great bull...I have never been able to use that word in any context after learning that. :no:

Hay mucho! :lol:

Yo comprende!

DENNIS - 2-4-2007 at 06:16 PM

Sharky ---

Your thread has good intentions. I was sorry to see the concept of compassion turned into a series of boiled lobster jokes but, for sure, we all see things in our own way, same or different.

Oso - 2-5-2007 at 06:36 PM

I have a great deal of respect for vegetarians who live their beliefs even though I know many would like to make it illegal for anyone to eat meat. I take a rather opposite view. I believe most burger-eaters opposed to hunting live in a sort of fantasy world where, without really thinking about it, they just assume that meat originates in plastic-wrapped packages in the supermarket. These people need a reality check. If I were a lawmaker, I would propose a license to purchase meat. The exam to obtain the license would require that you personally kill an animal. Renewal would require at the very least, wringing a chicken's neck. This bit of education would ensure that meateaters at least understand where meat comes from. It might also produce a lot more vegetarians.

bancoduo - 2-5-2007 at 06:48 PM

Great idea! :yes:

vgabndo - 2-5-2007 at 06:59 PM

OSO: I agree. We should all "Meet our Meat" I recommend viewing the video linked below. It takes 13 minutes IF you can watch it all the way through.

http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp

k1w1 - 2-5-2007 at 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
My friends, the Sunflowers.

I absolutely love 'nature'...and this love has set the course of my life. I was blessed to be brought up with a great respect for all of Earth's creatures and plants. (Heaven forbid that we should use the expression, 'God's' creatures and plants. Trying to be 'correct' these days. Sorry, God.)

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pompous complete hogwash.
If you dig munching on flesh and that which gives it's taste (ie blood and it's function of removing waste products: read urine) that's your dealio. more power to ya!
and leave the god BS at your holy house por favor
save your bull for something else :lol:

have a great day

[Edited on 2-6-2007 by k1w1]

David K - 2-5-2007 at 10:19 PM

Squarecircle, check your U2U... :spingrin:

Sports casualties

Sharksbaja - 2-5-2007 at 11:18 PM

But who needs cows in Mexico anyway (cept for entertainment) :lol:

, I always wondered why some carne served was sweeter than at other places. :wow:

Now I no.

from Wiki

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In 2002, the 14 principal horse meat producing countries produced 700,000 tonnes of horse meat, with over two-thirds produced by the top six: 1 China, 2 Mexico, 3 Kazakhstan, 4 Italy, 5 Argentina, 6 Mongolia [8]. The consumption of horse meat in Europe in 2001 was 153,000 tonnes [9].

That's right folks, I don't eat horses(intentionally).

Pass the tartar please. :barf:

A nice med-rare charbroiled T-bone....yea baby! (shhhhh, don't tell my wife, she'll have the fresh chinook salmon)

The squarecircle - 2-5-2007 at 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Squarecircle, check your U2U... :spingrin:

The squarecircle - 2-5-2007 at 11:47 PM

MY LAST POST DISAPPEARED LIKE dAMM FART IN THE WIND

Oso - 2-6-2007 at 08:22 AM

Favorite cantina scene from "One-eyed Jacks" w/Marlon Brando- "Frijol" is trying to eat a steak and complains to bartender:

"Señor, thees horse ees steel fighting for hee's life."

"That's what you got a sharp knife for, son."

SoCalAl - 2-6-2007 at 09:11 AM

Hello All,
I don't know how to do the quote thingy so I will manually do it...

Oso said "I have a great deal of respect for vegetarians who live their beliefs even though I know many would like to make it illegal for anyone to eat meat. I take a rather opposite view. I believe most burger-eaters opposed to hunting live in a sort of fantasy world where, without really thinking about it, they just assume that meat originates in plastic-wrapped packages in the supermarket. These people need a reality check. If I were a lawmaker, I would propose a license to purchase meat. The exam to obtain the license would require that you personally kill an animal. Renewal would require at the very least, wringing a chicken's neck. This bit of education would ensure that meateaters at least understand where meat comes from. It might also produce a lot more veget"

I agree with most of this comment, one thing that really irritates me is when people have passionate views about "killing" animals and they are telling while you are both having a burger, "Priceless" :lol:

I guess one fish eating another or a cat eating a mouse or a lion eating a zebra and so on and so forth blah, blah, blah.... is inhumane as well right? Well I suggest that if you truly believe that go grab your vegetarian dog food bag or whatever and go feed the animals...

Did we all forget survival of the fittest, humans are the fittest so stop the pity stuff... The thing I do not agree with is killing to hand an animals head in one's living room, that is of course(:?

if you do not eat the meat of the animal such as a lion or tiger or bear or what have you.. Other than that, let's eat..
Spiritually speaking, God said that men will dominate the Earth and all the speciaes of the land and sea and that they would serve as food and as by products such as cloths.. Adam and Eve were handed animal skins as clothing.. So this be at peace with nature and all the animals is truly just emotions talking. You will find that when the going gets tough, the tough go eat, what ever is on the table, even if it is a slaughtered bull.

K1 said something about leaving god bs at home, interseting to point out your superiority to your Creator... Take a deep breath, think about where you were while you slept and then think about how,who, or what allowed you to wake up today and you "might" understand something about God.. No insult intended Mr K1, just insight and if you want to talk further and debate this issue you can email me privately at Alex@Godknows.org.

These kind of topics always get the spirits rising and the opinions flying and that is pretty stimulating in the morning.. Good stuff..

Have a wonderful day everyone,
SocalAl

k1w1 - 2-6-2007 at 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by SoCalAl
K1 said something about leaving god bs at home, interseting to point out your superiority to your Creator... Take a deep breath, think about where you were while you slept and then think about how,who, or what allowed you to wake up today and you "might" understand something about God.. No insult intended Mr K1, just insight and if you want to talk further and debate this issue you can email me privately at Alex@Godknows.org.

don't succumb (sp) to the scare / fear tactics!
you have a brain! use it amigo.
all the best to you & yours