BajaNomad - The "New" Puerto Escondido pics and prices

The "New" Puerto Escondido pics and prices

Don Alley - 2-16-2007 at 01:11 PM

The new ramp:

Parking:

For the Big Boats:

And all this, and more, at the following great low prices:

So, you can store a 25 footer here, and if you launch 15 days a month, cost is about $1000US per month.

Take your pick of smilies: :fire:

vandenberg - 2-16-2007 at 01:47 PM

Aaaahhh,

You rich gringos :lol:

Anybody want to buy a boat :?:

Event?

Skipjack Joe - 2-16-2007 at 02:00 PM

Launch fee is 105 pesos per event.

Does that mean $10 to launch and $10 to pull out?

vandenberg - 2-16-2007 at 02:41 PM

Yes and $ 5.00 to park your car :lol:

bancoduo - 2-16-2007 at 02:48 PM

Is there a overflow parking lot? :biggrin:

Don Alley - 2-16-2007 at 03:08 PM

I'm gonna get myself one of these and park it there:

Bob H - 2-16-2007 at 03:16 PM

It's getting to the point where you might as well stay at home and pay the stateside prices. This seems ridiculous!
But ya know what, there will be those who will just suck it up and pay whatever it takes....

Skipjack Joe - 2-16-2007 at 03:40 PM

I guess it's gonna be Juncalito from now on.

I think there's also a dirt road near the Tripui RV park that leads to the shoreline where a cartopper can launch and even camp for free. We used to go birding along that road when the winds were too strong but I never followed it all the way to the water's edge.

QuePasaBaja - 2-16-2007 at 03:48 PM

I have never been able to figure out why people try to make thier lifes income off of a single customer. When they could make 3 life's income, but lowering the rates, and having 100 times the customers.

Skipjack Joe - 2-16-2007 at 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by QuePasaBaja
I have never been able to figure out why people try to make thier lifes income off of a single customer. When they could make 3 life's income, but lowering the rates, and having 100 times the customers.

They'll learn. Although whenever I drive by I see a mostly empty parking lot with a gatekeeper dozing in the shade. :lol:

Who makes these decisions?

vandenberg - 2-16-2007 at 04:33 PM

The Mexican way folks.

You have a little hotel with 5 rooms. It takes $ 50.00 to break even. You have 3 rooms rented at $ 35.00,so you make $ 55.00. Raise it to $ 50.00 a room and you make $ 100.00. But now you get only 2 rooms rented because of the price increase. So now, to make up for this, you increase the rate to $ 75.00 a room, and now you only need to rent 2 rooms and are in hog heaven, right ? But now you don't have any customers :?:

Time to do some headscratching. :biggrin:

Capt. George - 2-16-2007 at 04:39 PM

I'm gonna have someone sew a zipper in "the back" of my pants...just in case I ever (not likely) launch at Pork The Gringo ramp, scumbags!

It was gringos that got that ramp started....what a bunch of chits.

Capt. George - 2-16-2007 at 04:41 PM

bancoduo :rolleyes:

an overflow :biggrin:

Alan - 2-16-2007 at 04:43 PM

Perhaps I am reading this wrong but I don't interpret "per event" to mean in and another charge for out. I could be wrong, If it is merely $10.50 in and out and $5.00 for parking I don't see where their rates have gone up all that much. I launched there two years ago and the fee was something like $13.45. That was for in and out and parking. Yes it is now about $2 more but judging by the pictures the facility is significantly improved. I don't see this as the end of the world and isn't worth getting our panties in a bunch.

Of course $175 a week to store a small boat is a bit out of line but like most things - Supply and Demand. Their storage yard won't do them a bit of good if it just sits empty so I can envision those prices dropping..

[Edited on 2-16-2007 by Alan]

Capt. George - 2-16-2007 at 04:49 PM

it's a porkin:moon: Alan!

bring me dem pantaloons, I sez! :lol:

vandenberg - 2-16-2007 at 04:49 PM

Alan,

Wrong!!!!!
It's per event. $10.00 in $10.00 out plus $5.00 to park your rig

Alan - 2-16-2007 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Alan,

Wrong!!!!!
It's per event. $10.00 in $10.00 out plus $5.00 to park your rig

That is a shame then! Thankfully Captain George and I will have the Fidepaz Marina to launch at - $10.00 in and out. (at least for now)

Capt. George - 2-16-2007 at 04:58 PM

or further south, from the beach :cool:

....nada!

no need of backwards pants there! :biggrin:

Crusoe - 2-16-2007 at 05:25 PM

Skipjack Joe...That road ends up at Rattlesnake Cove. Very nice beach with free camping and very well protected from the winter Northerlies.We spent some winters there camping and kayacking in the mid 70s.Going south from there, there is a real nice section of beach and a couple of roads that go back to the main road.One of those roads is where they built a road maintence shed for the new highway when it was first contructed and as far as I know is stilll in use to this day.The beach is very rocky there and if your so inclined ,and have a 4x4, it can be flat enough for lauching a smaller fish boat.

wakemall - 2-16-2007 at 06:49 PM

I bet the overflow parking spills out on to Mex 1. They will probably have to run a shuttle bus because of all the business.

This will fail just like the other issues at Puerto Escondido. You think the people at Tripui are going to pay this each and everytime someone says the YT or Dorado bite is hot????

I do not think so.

Hook - 2-16-2007 at 07:00 PM

This outta increase the membership in HPYC by 100 fold.

NOT!

Is there anywhere else that charges a 20% premium just to pull up to the fuel dock in Mexico?

Don, are they still charging for simply ANCHORING in the bay???

[Edited on 2-17-2007 by Hook]

Don Alley - 2-16-2007 at 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by wakemall
I bet the overflow parking spills out on to Mex 1. They will probably have to run a shuttle bus because of all the business.

This will fail just like the other issues at Puerto Escondido. You think the people at Tripui are going to pay this each and everytime someone says the YT or Dorado bite is hot????

I do not think so.

The people at Tripui? I don't think they are the targeted customers here. The issue is more than having to spend more money. It's about an institutionalized change, dictated from Mexico City, casting the more middle class gringos aside in favor of fantasies involving waves of much wealthier gringos, like those that will pay a few hundred tousand dollars for a 1,000 sq ft home with no place to park even a car, much less a boat, and think they are getting a bargain, in on the ground floor.

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Originally posted by Hook
Don, are they still charging for simply ANCHORING in the bay???

[Edited on 2-17-2007 by Hook]

It's free only if you anchor in the outer bay (the Waiting Room). Inside, you pay the mooring fee. There are lots of boats anchored in the waiting room, but if you look at the picture of the ramp you can see there are few boats inside where you pay to moor.

Mike Supino - 2-16-2007 at 11:07 PM

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So, you can store a 25 footer here, and if you launch 15 days a month, cost is about $1000US per month.

Plus Tax!!!!

Mike Supino - 2-16-2007 at 11:09 PM

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A friend of mine (Mexican National) thought that raising the price of her tacos was the way to increase income!!! :rolleyes:

Capt. George - 2-17-2007 at 04:27 AM

There are still not an awful lot of different "last names" in Baja. :spingrin:

And almost zero inventory

Dave - 2-17-2007 at 12:26 PM

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Wuzzahmatter, you stupid or somethin' ?

A $100 to make one taco or make 100 tacos for $1 each.

I know which I'd choose.

BornFisher - 2-17-2007 at 04:28 PM

And all this, and more, at the following great low prices:

What? Mooring boys?? What kind of fishermen do they think we are????

backninedan - 2-17-2007 at 05:27 PM

The kind with lots of cash!!

Bob H - 2-17-2007 at 05:32 PM

How much is the TAX anyway?

abreojos - 2-17-2007 at 06:52 PM

Mexican mathamatics! 1+1 never = 2?

capn.sharky - 2-20-2007 at 08:57 PM

Who the hell is Singlar? Is this part of Vincente Fox's Escalera Marina? My understanding was that the launch ramp was owned by the tenants of Tripui Trailer Park. Seems like Cabo is reaching North. I guess if we want to see a real Mexican town we will soon have to go to Los Angeles or Santa Ana.

Sallysouth - 2-20-2007 at 11:04 PM

Capt., I was wondering the same things! I do remember when the tenants of Tripui built that ramp but from these pics here, thngs sure have changed!And yeah, who the hell IS Singlar???? :no:

reefrocket - 2-20-2007 at 11:46 PM

So what happened to the old ramp? The one shown in the picture is 250 to 300 yards {north?ward}from where the old one was. At least that's the way it looks as I recognize the view as being where the first of the old canals(?) were and close to the fuel dock.

PS Hi Sally --- hope your back to peak form
Yours truely 'yellow tipped reefrocket'

Phil S - 2-21-2007 at 11:28 AM

Wendy & I drove out to Puerto Escondido yesturday. I stopped at the "guard house" (security person) told him I wanted to tour & get prices. He called on a handheld to the office, then said, o.k. to go. So drove to the area of the three new buildings on the seawall just south of the Pemex marine station. Parked and walked up the stairs to the second floor of the three story building. All glass. It's all offices. Three ladies were busy doing something. One gave me a short tour. We walked to the furthest two story building. Guess what!!!!A swimming pool and jacuzzi with a sun shade over them. No water yet. No customers yet I guess. The lower part of the building is set up for businesses. The second building between the swimming pool building & 3 story office building is set up for conference center facility from what I can see. Then we drove over to the launch ramp. (by the way. The old ramp & parking lot is now Gated & Closed!!!!!
Also the little parking lot next to it that you could park & fish off the seawall is now gated & closed!!!!?????!!!!!) They still haven't figured out that a wooden dock that you could tie up to after you got the boat launched while you drove the truck back to the parking lot would sure be nice. More critical for the person who is by himself. But then again, I noticed that if you are with someone, you've got to be in the boat with it running, waiting for the driver to park & return. Here is where visual gives you two options. One. You have to climb down the sea wall on a stainless steel ladder to the boat where there are NO bumpers secured to the wall, which is a way from the ramp. Just cement to scrape against. OR, if they will let you you can motor over to the Pemex wooden dock which looks maybe 40 feet long.
I didn't see anyone to ask that question. In all fairness in how they have so far done "all of this improvement", I'd have to say the dock isn't available to the fishermen. Anyone know for sure????
Then we saw a new completed large tall metal structure near the old condo's that never got finished. It looks like it could hold maybe six or seven boats under cover. But no doors to protect against hurricane & rain. Just a roof & walls.
Oh yes. After clearing the first security person to enter the complex, you will also have to clear the "compound" where the ramp is and parking lot. This person I would presume would collect the fees going in & out. And as a final salute to their ingenuity, the outside wall guard stops you on the way out and with a clipboard records the license number I guess & asks my first name.???? Maybe they are recording the plate information like what state the vehicle is from. Got to say that this complex is well thought out including the huge 4 wheel boat lift vehicle. All the cement paving, etc. All they need now are boats, boats, boats in the 100' class and up to make it pay for itself. Worth a drive into to see.

[Edited on 2-21-2007 by Phil S]

backninedan - 2-21-2007 at 11:40 AM

Phil, did you get the prices? There was a rumor going around that they may lower the prices a bit. Not likely but worth asking>

Phil S - 2-21-2007 at 07:34 PM

Dan. The prices were posted on the entry gate house window, but Baja brain keeps me from remembering. Seems like Wendy said something about $28.00 This is high enough to make the Tripui boaters to drive to town & launch at their free ramp. I think they should. That might get their attention. It's logic to spend tens of thousands of dollars, and try to recover it via "reasonable fees". If anyone can afford a $30,000 boat outfit, what the heck is $28.00 for crying out loud? Even if it's five days a week. Wonder what it costs to take a family of five to the movies in the states five days a week?????

Don Alley - 2-21-2007 at 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Phil S
Dan. The prices were posted on the entry gate house window, but Baja brain keeps me from remembering. Seems like Wendy said something about $28.00 This is high enough to make the Tripui boaters to drive to town & launch at their free ramp. I think they should. That might get their attention. It's logic to spend tens of thousands of dollars, and try to recover it via "reasonable fees". If anyone can afford a $30,000 boat outfit, what the heck is $28.00 for crying out loud? Even if it's five days a week. Wonder what it costs to take a family of five to the movies in the states five days a week?????

Ok, first, "reasonable fees." From what I can find out, launch fees on the west coast seem to run mostly from zero to $10 total. I don't think many people object to a truly reasonable fee.

Second, If you want to use fees to recover the (questionable?) expenditure of building unneeded duplicate facilities, at least provide reasonable service to go with it. Better, not worse, access, more, not less, parking. And a boat dock too.

As for those who can afford a $30,000 boat, or any boat... the personal impact of $28 additional per day would vary; some would be impacted more than others. But it would be just another in a growing number of adjustments that will redraw boundaries of who can and cannot continue to live here, Mexican or gringo. But what I find most objectionable is an attitude of "These gringos are all rich, lets get as much as we can." I think it shows a lack of respect. And I think it comes from bureaucrats in Mexico City and benefits no one and harms many, especially local Mexican citizens, who, incidently, are being eliminated from Puerto Escondido in any capacity except as workers.

It may be much like the Fonatur-owned Chili Wili location, once a Mexican owned restaurant that provided jobs and income, now an empty derelict that houses only a Fonatur fantasy of a "four star" restaurant charging excessive prices and paying Fonatur $4000US a month rent.

Oh, and as for a family of five seeing five movies a week, I assume that includes popcorn, soda and a box of Milk Duds per person. I'd guess 400-500 a week. Buying a home was cheaper. Of course, if Fonatur or their subsidiary Singlar opens a multiplex, better triple that. :lol:

Hook - 2-21-2007 at 10:43 PM

Hell, 30,000 aint even that expensive as boats go. I can afford THAT but cant afford 28.00 launches very often, even if I could get over the lack of value at that price.

Agree completely with Don....the only thing that will get their attention is a lack of business. A little bit of boycott now could go a long way later.

backninedan - 2-22-2007 at 09:37 AM

Phil, I agree with Don and Hook, you are way off base about $28 being anything close to reasonable. I will never launch there again until prices are lowered. This is aimed at Loreto Bay buyers and people like you that think an extra $500 dollars a month is nothing.

Cypress - 2-22-2007 at 09:54 AM

Sounds to me like this SINGLAR outfit is totally out of control.

Who owns/runs that outfit? :?:

Do they answer to anyone? :?:

Cypress - 2-22-2007 at 11:34 AM

Don Jorge has pretty much said it like it is!

New Rates Coming?

Don Alley - 2-22-2007 at 12:18 PM

email circulationg in Loreto:

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PTO. ESCONDIDO RAMP FEE UPDATE

As most of you know, we've been working with Singlar in an attempt to get the rates reduced for the ramp and fuel dock in Pto. Escondido. As of February 13, the proposed rate reduction by the Singlar director for our area has been approved by a vote of all Singlar Directors in Mexico City.

The next and hopefully final step is for the Singlar Directors to meet with the head of Fonatur and the Mexican Secretary of Tourism in Mexico City. The Secretary and Fonatur must approve the new Singlar proposed rates. This reduction will affect ALL Singlar operations in Mexico, not just Pto. Escondido.

Nautica Escalera marinas, including Pto Escondido, are currently owned by the Mexican government and managed by Singlar. Any changes to any part of the operation, including fees, must be approved by Fonatur and the Secty. of Tourism. This is equivalent to us asking a State to reduce their park fees. It will take time to get this instituted. The current time frame that we were given is approximately two more weeks, at which time the newly proposed fees could be approved or rejected. Singlar and only Singlar is responsible for this presentation. Singlar is in agreement with the proposal because of the current lack in business at numerous marinas.

Please don't expect a reduction in the rates until we are notified that the meeting has taken place. We will let you know the outcome as soon as possible.

(This information emailed to me from McGave)

Cypress - 2-22-2007 at 12:47 PM

Thanks for the education Don Alley. :yes:

flyfishinPam - 2-22-2007 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge

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Originally posted by Don Alley
But what I find most objectionable is an attitude of "These gringos are all rich, lets get as much as we can." I think it shows a lack of respect. And I think it comes from bureaucrats in Mexico City and benefits no one and harms many, especially local Mexican citizens, who, incidently, are being eliminated from Puerto Escondido in any capacity except as workers.

Let see. 105 pesos in and another 105 pesos out. 50 pesos per day to park. 260 pesos total. $23.87 at todays exchange rate. For the the rig I have at Tripui I would pay $20 to launch and retrieve at Dana Point, my home port.

At the Hotel Coral in Ensenada: Launch ramp is $ 35.00 per day, $ 15.00 if guest of Hotel with minimum 2 nights stay.

At least Singlar has the rates in pesos! Who knows, maybe 260 pesos may soon be 20 bucks. like it or not, inflation is here. and the dollar isn´t worth a buck these days.

All the whining going on here about having to spend a few extra bucks and the real story is the "'old ramp" and the pier and seawall are now off limits to the citizens of Mexico! Why don't we gringos, instead of b-tching and moaning about our poor selves b-tch and moan and fight for the plight of our hosts, the Mexican people in whose country we are either tourists, travellers or visitors?

Would it not be better to start some type of letter writing campaign and at least make some effort to allow the old ramp to be used by Mexican nationals for launching and fishing?

The "free market" isn't free and their irresponsible government should at least distiguish between right and wrong if not between right and greedy. The people of Loreto should not be cut off de facto by economic burdens they should not bear.

I don't much care what other loctions are charging. I used to pay in Oceanside to launch but there was plenty of parking, a dock, boat wash-down, reasonably priced gas, the list goes on. The fee of $28 in Loreto is excessive but its the tip of the iceberg as to what's on its way to Loreto. A reality check is that there are very few other options. The marina in town cannot handle boats much larger than a panga because it is in awful shape. The average person can't afford another $28USD to make their living, I'm talking the average panguero. Of course it will become part of the cost to do business which will be passed on to consumers. Then the consumers say "I pay less i La Paz, Zihuat, Los Cabos, etc." and then it becomes my job to justify it. Its becoming very difficult to do so especially with the abuses that continue within our park. Two weeks ago a friend of mine brought his panga to p.e. to launch. It was so early there was no-one there yet to collect a fee. When they returned the guard wanted to charge a fee but my friend explained that he didn't bring any money and wasn't aware of a fee. His boat was held as he went to Loreto to get money then return. This is an average Mexicano who has hardly worked in months due to strong winds offshore. He was out with some buddies that day catching fish for food for christsakes. We'll hear and see more of these stories as access is closed, denied, etc. Next target is the marina in town. Meanwhile we just try and survive the best we can.

Hook - 2-22-2007 at 04:12 PM

Jorge, I would say that the most efficient remedy would be to pressure Singlar to lower the fees to a level that is manageable to Mexicans AND Americans. Simply staying away is the best method. Maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 10.00 for in AND out, total. The increased traffic could help to support the ancillary businesses that are probably planned in the buildings they are constructing down there.

But when gringos try to intercede in the governings of Mexico, like you're suggesting, it creates animosity higher up in the government. They tell us it's THEIR country and we should butt out. Think of all our whining over the commercials overcatch and bycatch. And to a large degree, they are right.

No, I really think the best method is to alter the demand side of Singlar's little slice of "American supply and demand" pricing.

Hey, if they get boaters lined up waiting to launch at 28.00 per, well, the market has spoken, I guess. But they have set an arbitrary figure to start. No reason why the consumer cant choose to be arbitrary in its use, as well.

Hey man.....moving the rig to La Paz, you are a welcome part of the boycott. :light:

[Edited on 2-22-2007 by Hook]

vandenberg - 2-22-2007 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
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I sure don't care.

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I have my reservation for a year round slip in La Paz and in May Loreto will be another memory.

WITH YOUR ATTITUDE, GOOD RIDDANCE. :mad:

Don Alley - 2-22-2007 at 04:46 PM

Hook, I think you have the right idea. And as consumers of Singlar's services, we have some justification for protesting the prices, and we can influence prices by refraining from paying them. And at least for now market forces appear to be an ally.

Don Jorge:
The access issue for local people is more difficult. First, we have no direct standing. We can't influence those decisions with our wallets, and written protests could be seen as political meddling, and that, as Hook suggests, can be counter-productive. Also, we are dealing with two different agencies. The shore and pier fishing access problem at PE comes from API (Integral Port Authority), a state outfit catering to the cruise ship lines, not Singlar/Fonatur. And to a limited degree, international conventions dealing with anti-terrorism security may be at play as well. I believe public access is no longer allowed to piers that host international ship traffic.

Skipjack Joe - 2-22-2007 at 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
But it really sucks that the local people can't use that place anymore.

Yes it sucks that the locals can't afford the ramp anymore. It also sucks that gringos can't afford it. The locals haven't been able to afford those launch fees for years. I don't remember the last time I saw a panguero launch his working panga there. They all seem to launch at the Loreto marina. But locals do fish from the pier all the time. Fencing off the pier and the wall running along the channel is really bad IMO.

Having two separate fees is unfair. The launch fee should be lowered for everyone. Launching a boat is a basic need that everyone should have a right to. There should be no haves and have nots.

flyfishinPam - 2-23-2007 at 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
But it really sucks that the local people can't use that place anymore.

When fees were charged for the ramp that the tripui residents put in, most locals never had to pay. I can't tell you how many times my husband and I with our panga were just waved through. This is what my friend was expecting when he launched a couple weeks ago. singlar is on the scene now. Having the old ramp locked up is simply a stab in our backs and the backs of those who worked hard to install it in the first place. The fact that most locals launch at Loreto municipal marina is because most of the fishing has been taking place to the north of town so it just makes sense to launch from there. We're losing beach and shoreline access by the day and I'm losing places to send folks who just want to fish the shoreline now. And next year there will be even fewer of these places, then the camping spots will be gone. I guess I too can adjust when these changes overtake us, but just because I and my family will find a way doesn't mean that we won't fight for our rights and those of all the other people.

[Edited on 2-23-2007 by flyfishinPam]

vandenberg - 2-23-2007 at 09:08 AM

Pam, don't overdo it. That Escondido ramp was put in by Fonatur when Escondido was being developed. The gringos, with their ever bigger boats and 4-wheel drive trucks, managed to wreck the ramp's pavement. Donations from Tripui residents, but also many gringos in town and Nopolo, raised enough money to resurface the ramp. For a while there were no fees, then a small $ 5.00 one, and then, Fonatur smelling a cash cow, went to $13.00. Closing that ramp doesn't make any sense to us of course, but the fact remains ,that it's owned by the government and they can actually do whatever they want with it. And if anyone thinks that petitioning the Mexican government is going to have any kind of effect....well, I wish you all lots of luck, but don't hold your breath.

Skipjack Joe - 2-23-2007 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
but the fact remains ,that it's owned by the government and they can actually do whatever they want with it.

They can do whatever they want but they should do the right thing. It's a government for ALL the people and should charge fees accordingly.

vandenberg - 2-23-2007 at 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

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Originally posted by vandenberg
but the fact remains ,that it's owned by the government and they can actually do whatever they want with it.

They can do whatever they want but they should do the right thing. It's a government for ALL the people and should charge fees accordingly.

Tell that to Dubya and his cronies.

Alan - 2-23-2007 at 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
I would say that the most efficient remedy would be to pressure Singlar to lower the fees to a level that is manageable to Mexicans AND Americans. Simply staying away is the best method.

I agree that this is our most effective recourse. Let the mexicans petition their government. We gringos can be most effective by passively boycotting this development (not just the ramp) in support of the local's. The government has a huge investment here that they can't afford to have sit idle. Singlar has a responsibility to the government to manage this development effectively. There is a win-win point for all involved with this issue. It is just a matter of allowing the system of supply and demand get us to that point.

Dave - 2-23-2007 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
When fees were charged for the ramp that the tripui residents put in, most locals never had to pay.

Good. Now everyone has to pay. Unfair subsidizing needs to stop...across the board. :mad:

vandenberg - 2-23-2007 at 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Alan

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Problem here is, that they probably are going to solve this dilemma the Mexican way and triple the fees for the few people that ,no matter what the cost, will use the facilities :bounce:

backninedan - 2-23-2007 at 11:04 AM

Dave

I have no problem paying a fee, but twenty eight bucks is gouging, and eliminates locals all together. Where do you find fairness here??

Hook - 2-23-2007 at 12:27 PM

"Problem here is, that they probably are going to solve this dilemma the Mexican way and triple the fees for the few people that ,no matter what the cost, will use the facilities".

Agree, Vandy. That's the problem with a quasi governmental organization that doesnt mind losing money with that kind of pricing. If they had to make the money back more quickly, they would set a more reasonable price to get some cashflow going.

28 bucks and not even a courtesy dock???? What are they thinking!

Cypress - 2-23-2007 at 12:43 PM

I'm confused.

Singlar? Fonatur? What's the difference other than the way you spell 'em? Question? Are they doing more harm than good? :?:

Hook - 2-23-2007 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
I'm confused.

Singlar? Fonatur? What's the difference other than the way you spell 'em? Question? Are they doing more harm than good? :?:

Like most entities associated with the Mexican government, YES!

Don Alley - 2-23-2007 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
I'm confused.

Singlar? Fonatur? What's the difference other than the way you spell 'em? Question? Are they doing more harm than good? :?:

This started with the former Escalara Nautica project. It's morphed into the Mar de Cortes project. The first thing they did was, of course, put up signs. :biggrin:

There are several big billboards in La Paz. Elsewhere, there are many new signs pointing the way to various places of interest, and, when you get theer, a sign telling you where you are. Like at a mission, or whatever. :lol:

Part of the deal is for a new government oranization, called Singlar, to take control of the government built marinas around the Sea of Cortez. Singlar is a division of the national tourism development agency Fonatur; Singlar has its own directors but final decision power is with the head of Fonatur. Singlar's office at Puerto Escondido is the office for the whole Mar de Cortez project, but they answer to a manager and director in Mexico City.

Cypress - 2-23-2007 at 03:06 PM

Thanks Don and Hook.

So we're talking about a welfare organization with a license to steal and a free pass to get away with it.

Roberto - 2-23-2007 at 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
Vadenberg, my attitude? I don't care about the whining gringos who don't hesitate to build mansions behind gates, drive big trucks and expensive boats and complain about user fees. I do care the locals are being kept out of their own waters. I can leave the whining gringos behind but I feel helpless to the plight of the locals. Bite me.

Jorge, I'm guessing he's one of the whiners - so Van, how long have you been there and how much spanish do you speak?

[Edited on 2-24-2007 by Roberto]

Don Alley - 2-23-2007 at 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Jorge, I'm guessing he's one of the whiners - so Van, how long have you been there and how much spanish do you speak?

[Edited on 2-24-2007 by Roberto]

vandenberg - 2-23-2007 at 08:53 PM

Roberto,
Been here since the 80's. No gated mansion ( I wish ), 22ft old panga towed around by an 83 Suburban. Speak 3 languages,Spanish inadequate however. Too old to get fluent I guess.
BTW who pulled your string? :?:

aquaholic - 2-23-2007 at 09:41 PM

...the 80's ain't long to be on the ground in Baja...it's all in the frame of mind...

Cypress - 2-24-2007 at 07:15 AM

Don Alley.Thanks for the information. :bounce:

flyfishinPam - 2-24-2007 at 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Pam, don't overdo it. That Escondido ramp was put in by Fonatur when Escondido was being developed. The gringos, with their ever bigger boats and 4-wheel drive trucks, managed to wreck the ramp's pavement. Donations from Tripui residents, but also many gringos in town and Nopolo, raised enough money to resurface the ramp. For a while there were no fees, then a small $ 5.00 one, and then, Fonatur smelling a cash cow, went to $13.00. Closing that ramp doesn't make any sense to us of course, but the fact remains ,that it's owned by the government and they can actually do whatever they want with it. And if anyone thinks that petitioning the Mexican government is going to have any kind of effect....well, I wish you all lots of luck, but don't hold your breath.

Hi there, I think the pavement being wrecked over time was normal wear and tear. Isn't a ramp supoosed to be constructed to be used and maintained afterward? It wasn't maintained so the truipui people reconstructed it. I thought it was balsy when it was being done but who can blame them? If i had to use it all the time I'd be one of those fixing it too. Here in town we want to fix it but the powers that be won't let us. But isn't that all part of the fun? The uncertainties here make life interesting and colorful.

Crusoe - 2-24-2007 at 11:29 AM

Pam .......Colorful is colorful.........But the bottom line is the local mexican fisherman is bieng excluded. That is backwards progress, it is not fair.Or you may want to call it elitism.It is not right any more than it is fair. It is his living and birthright! Alan and Hook have called this thread acurately. I have used the ramp dozens and dozens of times over the years and am sorry to see it get so expensive. I will boycott it. It should be free for local mexican citizens and fishermen. :mad:

Really?

Dave - 2-24-2007 at 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Crusoe
It should be free for local Mexican citizens and fishermen. :mad:

Why?

Don Alley - 2-24-2007 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Crusoe
It should be free for local Mexican citizens and fishermen. :mad:

Why?

I'd like to see API build their cruise ship terminal and get the hell out of the Loreto marina and let the local people run it. Ideally the city could fix the ramp and let it operate as an extension of the street. No need for a toll. The city and the local folks are pretty good at listening to folks and responding, imo.

I don't want to see Loreto follow the trend in the US of using all the tax revenues for someone else's sacred cow, and charging user fees for any activity not protected by a lobbying firm in national and state capitols.