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New harbor at San Miguel Surf Spot?

pointsurfbaja - 3-16-2007 at 08:47 AM

I heard on the Surfermag discussion board that there are some big plans to destroy the world class wave at San Miguel just north of Ensenada. I did a search here to see what you all might know about it, but came up empty handed. What do you know who are in the know?:fire:

Dave - 3-16-2007 at 09:05 AM

There's a mega development planned for just South of the Coral at Papagayo. Is that near San Miguel?

DAve

Baja Bernie - 3-16-2007 at 09:14 AM

No.

San Miguel is just after the Ensenada toll booths. And yes about a year ago Mateo posted something on a huge development being planned for there............Check with him 'cause I have given up on trying to stay up with mega this and mega that in Baja...........

I know I'm living in the past but small and dirt were wonderful.

Ben Hunter the guy who wrote "The Baja Feeling" owned one of the first houses in San Miguel. He must have been a surfer because that was all there was to do there for about a thousand years.

[Edited on 3-16-2007 by Baja Bernie]

Mexitron - 3-17-2007 at 08:18 AM

Bernie--found this link on Ben Hunter's Baja house:

[url]http://www.ploung.com/ben's_house.htm[/url]

[Edited on 3-18-2007 by BajaNomad]

David K - 3-17-2007 at 08:37 AM

Great lead Mexitron... they found JackSmith's house, too (Book: 'God and Mr. Gomez')

here's the direct link: [url=http://www.ploung.com/jack's_house.htm]Jack Smith's house[/url]



[Edited on 3-17-2007 by David K]

pappy - 3-17-2007 at 08:41 AM

not sure about san miguel but word is new presidnet wants to go forth with the stalled escelara plan.i am told too, that paving of the road from san ignacio to juanico may start soon...

David K - 3-17-2007 at 08:50 AM

The 'end' is coming: pavement!

Once the road between San Ignacio and San Juanico/ La Purisima is paved, then all trucks, busses, travelers for La Paz & Cabo will be going that way.

It saves 100 miles and two steep grades that Mex. 1 negotiates going to the gulf coast from Santa Rosalia to Ligui!

Mexitron - 3-17-2007 at 09:19 AM

I saw the link for Jack's house too. My friends and I went to Santo Thomas for a weekend camping trip in 1988 or so...didn't get in til after dark and camped in the first area we could find...woke up the next morning next to a house we didn't see when we drove in. Then a van pulled up and out step the Gomez's and other people in Jack's book--turned out we were sleeping in the lot next to Jack's house and they were wondering if we were the robbers that had broken into his house that night and stolen some appliances. Didn't look to good for us there...but we assured them that if we were the thieves we wouldn't have camped out next to the house! They laughed and took off after being nice enough to talk about Jack's book for awhile.
Funny thing--a couple of years ago my girlfriend's son was looking to buy a house in LA and he wanted me to look at the hillside stability of the lot. When we got there it turned out it was Jack Smith's old house that his son was selling after Jack's wife had passed away...go figure.

Peloncito - 3-20-2007 at 10:33 PM

Oh man, San Miguel lost to development. That is a shame. That spot brings back lots of old and semi current memories. I have frequented San Miguel for so many years (mostly while visiting buddies @ SDSU). Classic dirt lot, sand for the tents, and awesome right hand waves over a rubble reef.

Hook - 3-21-2007 at 10:31 AM

I'm not a board surfer but I used to use the place in a pinch for a quick o'niter heading north or south.

Really used to like the little restaurant in there but havent been in years. They used to serve some real good WSB and BSB dishes.

Halboo - 3-21-2007 at 02:12 PM

Quote:

man, that place was ruined w/the pavement.

yeah that and about a million other places :fire:

I had some good times and good waves at San Miguel back in the day.......

Crusoe - 3-21-2007 at 04:17 PM

This is really to bad--if in fact it is true........In the late 1950s and all through the 60s and into the early 70s, this was the "meeting and networking spot"for many, many surf bums, from all over California. Someone should write a book about the counter culture that the lifestyle here fostered. Between Hussongs Cantina,and all the old surf rat characters that lived in both places, one could even write an award winning movie script. Ensenada was a small and very inocent and wonderful town in that era. The likes never to be duplicated!!!

Sallysouth - 3-21-2007 at 06:39 PM

Yeah, Like 3 M's and the Cannery(phew, but fun) back then, way back then........

thanks

pointsurfbaja - 3-25-2007 at 08:00 AM

Wow thanks for all the info and I agree with all's condolences. Yet I think we could all do a little more. WildCoast is fighting these types of battles on many fronts. Lending them some support will bring down the pace of the rape on the peninsula. They are in the forefront of the fight against the escalera nautica.

The road to La Laguna from San Ignacio is surveyed and was graded before the baja 1000. I just went down and came back that way last weekend. There is no new development yet the south pavement from San Juanico to Las Barrancas is full speed ahead. The drama of some of the developing parties in the town is over the top. And, the rate of development by others is astonishing.

It is a fine line to discover how to experience and interact in Baja with a mild footprint on so many levels. I hope that by choosing good programming for my head, ie. read environmentally conscious news, turn off the TV, participate in and support positive activist groups that will help keep Baja mellow, will help my decisions in my Bajaquest.

Thanks again

stables

Tomas Tierra - 3-25-2007 at 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Peloncito's comments make me think back to the good ol' days when the point in Ventura was a dirt parking lot and stables was a walk to get to..... man, that place was ruined w/the pavement.


The ocean is trying to re-claim that area. The pavement is being undermined, and erosion is in control. THe wave doesn't seem to be affected..Those were the good ol days.

get em while they're hot!

woody with a view - 3-25-2007 at 10:43 AM

1-7-06

miguel (Small) (Small).jpg - 39kB

Puerto Hussong

bajaguy - 3-25-2007 at 11:14 AM

Maybe this is what pointsurfbaja was referring to:

Porto Hussong Plans Unveiled
John Freeman - thelog.com

More Than Fish Tacos - A new resort and marina is coming to Ensenada. Porto Hussong's marina will be designed to accommodate mega-yachs up to 200 feet long. Up to 250 spaces are planned for the end-tie-style docks. Construction is scheduled to begin in November, with an estimated completion date of early 2009.
The Baja resort, scheduled for completion in 2009, will include a 250-slip mega-yacht marina.

Ensenada - When Doug Bowers was in college, going to Baja meant camping, surfing, scarfing down fish tacos and downing more than a few beers at Hussong's raucous cantina in Ensenada.

Times have changed.

"Now that I'm older, my tastes have become more refined and expensive," said Bowers, director of marketing for Merida Development Group, developer of Porto Hussong, a $350 million planned resort and marina just north of Ensenada along the toll road. "These days, I can't imagine a better Baja experience than what this resort is going to be - a world-class, five-star luxury destination, on par with some of the world's best resorts."

The grandiose plans for Porto Hussong were recently unveiled by the developer. They include 200 oceanfront condominiums, a five-star boutique-style hotel, six high-end private villas, a collection of upscale shops and spa services, several cafes and restaurants and a first-class, 250-slip marina (end-tie-style docks) and yacht club designed to accommodate yachts up to 200 feet in length.

Land for the project has been cleared, with construction expe-cted to start in November. Completion is scheduled for early 2009. The chief architect is Arthur Valdes, whose past projects include the Palmilla Resort in Cabo San Lucas and Las Hadas Resort in Manzanillo, as well as resorts in Puerto Vallarta and along the Italian Riviera in Portofino. He's also aligned with current design projects at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.

For now, the official name for the project's marina and yacht club is undecided, but Bowers said its target is clear: Southern California boaters and sailors.

"This is fast becoming a baby-boomer's paradise," he said. "Ensenada is the next phase for those of us who have enjoyed the Baja experience and now have the means and desire to live the good life."

Porto Hussong will be located next to Hotel Coral and Marina, which has become a prominent Ensenada stop for boaters heading both north and south. Until just recently, the site was occupied by Hotel Quintas Papagayo, owned and operated by the Hussong family.

"The demand for large-yacht slips has been so great that we've just increased the number from 10 to 20 and maybe more," Bowers said. "With the yacht club, we intend to form guest alliances with all the finest yacht clubs up and down the West Coast."

The developers are banking on the cachet of the Hussong name, the Baja-based family that founded Hussong's Cantina in downtown Ensenada, the legendary, peanut-shells-on-the-floor bar that dates back to 1892.

"They have a highly favorable multiple-generation recognition for anyone who's ever gone to Baja," Bowers said. "The family has been waiting for the right time and the right opportunity for years. They felt this was the first concept worthy of going into a deal."



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Dave - 3-25-2007 at 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bancoduo
****** ****** ***** ******


Besides being a business partner Doug is also a friend.

And a nice guy.

Please keep your uninformed, misspelled opinions to yourself.

[Edited on 3-25-2007 by Hose A]

Sallysouth - 3-25-2007 at 04:21 PM

HUH????:?::?::?::?:

bancoduo - 3-25-2007 at 04:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by bancoduo
****** ****** ***** ******


Besides being a business partner Doug is also a friend.

And a nice guy.

Please keep your uninformed, misspelled opinions to yourself.

[Edited on 3-25-2007 by Hose A]
Is **** ***** acceptable?

[Edited on 3-25-2007 by Hose A]

Morphing is fun

Baja Bernie - 3-25-2007 at 04:43 PM

pointsurfbaja

Serge Dedina and Kem Nunn will both be at the Baja Authors Book Signing at the Pyramid Resort on May 5th. See other posts for more details.

Sallly I totally agree with your comment..............Huh?

pointsurfbaja - 4-7-2007 at 08:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Maybe this is what pointsurfbaja was referring to:

Ensenada - When Doug Bowers was in college, going to Baja meant camping, surfing, scarfing down fish tacos and downing more than a few beers at Hussong's raucous cantina in Ensenada.

Times have changed.

"Now that I'm older, my tastes have become more refined and expensive," said Bowers, director of marketing for Merida Development Group, developer of Porto Hussong, a $350 million planned resort and marina just north of Ensenada along the toll road. "These days, I can't imagine a better Baja experience than what this resort is going to be - a world-class, five-star luxury destination, on par with some of the world's best resorts."



I'm sorry Mr. Dave but I can't let this go unchecked. This "All About Me Babyboomer Mentaliy" cannot be allowed to propagate unfettered. This "friend and business partner" Doug ascends to the rarified air of screw the next generations quotes when he states that in his youth his fondest memories of baja included surfing, but in dusk of his life his passions have changed. Somehow that justifies him potentially stealing from his grandchildren(if he has any) my potential children and countless other of future generations an attraction in Wavedom that was tantamount to or surpassing that of Disneyland.

You can call me uninformed all you want. Stick and stones, well you know the rest. How about informing us. What is going to happen to the wave at San Miguel? Is the location of this project in an area that will potentially destroy the wave at San Miguel? Why could the project not be altered a bit to allow what Nature ,or God depending on your point of view, has made so enjoyable for so many surf nomads? This is a world class wave with generations of heritage. But you might not care about that. This will be posted on all of the surfing discussion forums and blogs that I have access to. I am amazed that this project has gone under the radar so stealthily. Well I hope it's not too late. Good Luck

bancoduo - 4-7-2007 at 09:22 AM

Don't fret P****surf****.


"Good guy Doug" will build you a eco-pond with a statue of Duke Kahanamoku in the middle, that you can paddle around.:(:no:

pointsurfbaja - 4-7-2007 at 09:45 AM

"Good guy Doug" CAN KISS MY :moon::biggrin:

DUDE, CHILL!

Dave - 4-7-2007 at 10:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pointsurfbaja
Somehow that justifies him potentially stealing from his grandchildren(if he has any) my potential children and countless other of future generations an attraction in Wavedom that was tantamount to or surpassing that of Disneyland.


First, This development will NOT alter your Wavedumb experience. Puerto Hussong is being built 3 miles south.

Second, Doug was just pointing out that some people, even surfers, grow up. ;D

Gadget - 4-7-2007 at 10:55 AM

I'm gonna have to chime in here a little.
This thread reminds me of listening to the talking news heads blabber about the middle east and how all of our thinking and concepts can and will prevail over a culture, that for the most part, they know nothing about. Since the 9-11 attacks and hostilities with Islam I have picked up some books and learned what they are all about. We will never impose our will on them, just like we won't on the Mexican government.
Now I don't like seeing any surf spot ruined to developement, my off-road destinations paved over, any more than most who enjoy this stuff. But you guys are all blowing hot air here. Do you remember that money and corruption run most of the decision making in Mex. The same, I might add as our country if you hadn't noticed. I wish we would all stop running around pointing our fingers at the rest of the world while we do the same here. It's no wonder so many other nations have the attitude they do towards us when we are so hypicritical. Now don't get me wrong here any of you, I'm a God fearing, lover of our country. But there are allot of things wrong here that many of us do nothing about. We could do a whole lot better job on our own shores before passing judgement elsewhere, that's my point. How many classic point breaks are full of boats, spilled sewage, golf courses with their fertilizer run off etc, on our coasts? I mean do you seriously think that because we show up a few times a year somewhere in their country that we can wag a finger at them and stuff our supposed morals and ethics down their throats when we do just the opposite here.
And lastly Pointsurf, the riprap that created the wave at San Miguel was put there to protect the canneries from wave action decades ago by man, not God :light:

[Edited on 4-7-2007 by Gadget]

GIDGET

bancoduo - 4-7-2007 at 02:51 PM

Where would we be without you "born agains". Tell me what you were before the divine intervention,so I can understand your rationale better?

Forgive me GIDGE I'm one of those "wavedumb" guys.
:moon:

[Edited on 4-7-2007 by bancoduo]

Gadget - 4-7-2007 at 04:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bancoduo
Where would we be without you "born agains". Tell me what you were before the divine intervention,so I can understand your rationale better?

Forgive me GIDGE I'm one of those "wavedumb" guys.
:moon:

[Edited on 4-7-2007 by bancoduo]


Well, let see. First I don't beleive I insulted you in any way personally, but that's OK. I guess if you don't have anything better to say, then attack the Christian. Everyone else does. It's really just fine though because what you intended as bad for me turns to good, and bad for you, if you follow that. As to what I was before, I am still a surfer who as I think I stated, do not like seeing any "spot" degraded. And I was a jerk just like you before, which is very difficult to not be in present company. Everyone else on the board excluded, as I'm sure you understand. :rolleyes:

hey gadget

woody with a view - 4-7-2007 at 06:53 PM

don't trip on 'ol banco, he's been the devil's advocate/pain in the ass for some time now..........

pointsurfbaja - 5-8-2007 at 08:39 AM



What about this?

Marina San Miguel

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/?id=9591

article found on

http://www.savethewaves.org/miguel.asp


Here's a thread about the high rises they want to build

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=13003411

pointsurfbaja - 5-8-2007 at 08:41 AM

From Save the Waves Coallition

"An unspecified, multi-million dollar resort development company is joining forces with the Sauzal harbor to extend the original harbor approximately 185 acres further out into the coastal waters, which will engulf world famous San Miguel point and obliterate the waves. Local surfer and oceanographer, Jose Puig stated, “The area will be completely engulfed by the marina, ruining the natural coast.” This $370 million dollar project, titled “Marina San Miguel,” will harbor 550 yachts, and is being brought to the table along with a 21 acre five star resort proposed by the unspecified company."

oldhippie - 5-8-2007 at 09:48 AM

There is an article in the past Sunday's La Frontera (the local TJ newspaper) that a friend told me about (I didn't read it) that said the sales of condos in the TJ - Ensenada corridor are way down. The 2000 - 2005 real estate boom is over in the states and eventhough the developers say it isn't affecting what's happening here, it is. Hopefully the simple economics of the day will but an end to this madness. It's my experience that real estate cycles are about 10 or so years in duration from boom to bust to boom again. Are there any experts out there to confirm that?

Maybe we have a reprieve and during the interim there will be a rethinking about these developments that will result in smaller scale projects that will produce homes, not hotels where they sell individual rooms and call them homes.

Jeez, maybe they will even improve the water, sewer, and electrical systems BEFORE they build the developments. Do you think?

Along those lines I read in the newspaper during the past heavy rains that raw sewage from the barrios that have sprung up directly to the east of the Rosarito condo developments where the workers live was flowing downhill into the developments and the place stunk. Hey, watch out for that floater in the swimming pool!

Such foolishness.