The Missions and Missionaries of California, Volume 1. Lower California by Zephyrin Engelhardt (Second Edition c1929)
The Dominican Mission Frontier of Lower California by Peveril Meigs c1935
The Missions of Baja California 1683-1848 by W. Michael Mathes c1977
The Camino Real and the Missions of the Baja California by Miguel Leon-Portilla c2008
The Land of Calafia: A Brief History of Peninsular California by W. Michael Mathes c2009
[Edited on 11-11-2009 by David K]BAJACAT - 3-21-2007 at 11:51 AM
no wonder you know so much..
You got a great collection Dk Im impress...David K - 3-21-2007 at 03:21 PM
Just having the books is not enough... I also need to have a connection with the peninsula, too!
Photos, books, and reading Baja Nomad posts all help with my Baja fever... But, they don't come close to actually being in Baja and experiencing it!
Mexitron - 3-21-2007 at 06:03 PM
Great collection DK...impressive!
FYI--noticed you had Peninsular California by Charles Nordhoff...one of my Baja buddies is Frank Nordhoff--great grandson of Charles. Here he is in
1995. He just turned 85 yrs old this year and is still going strong--especially since he has a new girlfriend!
SoCalAl - 3-22-2007 at 08:04 AM
Hi David,
Ever thought about teaching some History of Baja combined with personal experience. I wonder how many would sign up say for a Saturday class in
a conference room somewhere and just go through some history lessons and a bunch of slide shows. I know it would make for a good time. Maybe you
could do it at the Fred Hall shows for a season every year??? I know the Fred Hall has several cities it visits and it would truely wake some people
up to the real Baja. At the very least they would respect the beauty of this desert and it's people. Just a thought...
SoCalAlDavid K - 3-22-2007 at 05:33 PM
Hi Al,
That's what I do here and with my web sites... for fun.
I am not sure there is a big enough demand for a crazy Baja nut to talk about how 'Baja fever' drove Cortez to the 'island' of California and so many
more ever since!!!
Thanks for the kind thoughts and idea... 'They' know how to reach me!
By-the-way, a really great speaker on all things Baja is Graham Mackintosh and he is available for public lectures!!
In fact, he will be doing a slide show soon at Discover Baja Travel Club...David K - 3-23-2007 at 09:40 AM
Coming up next, Baja Travel Story section (Erle Stanley Gardner, Mike McMahan, Graham Mackintosh, etc.)...Paula - 4-24-2007 at 07:02 PM
David, do you know if all of Harry Crosby's books are still in print?
David K
Baja Bernie - 4-24-2007 at 07:43 PM
My ear is tuned to the radio and I will stay tuned for your next list.David K - 4-24-2007 at 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Paula
David, do you know if all of Harry Crosby's books are still in print?
You can visit Sunbelt in El Cajon, as well!bajalera - 4-24-2007 at 10:08 PM
Nice collection, DK.Paula - 4-25-2007 at 03:44 PM
Thank you for the links, Davidmtgoat666 - 4-25-2007 at 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by David K
In no order, just as I pull a group off the shelf and type here the names and authors...
All gringo authors with gringo world view! Where are the mexican and spanish authors? Surely, a few people wrote in Spanish.David K - 4-25-2007 at 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
In no order, just as I pull a group off the shelf and type here the names and authors...
All gringo authors with gringo world view! Where are the mexican and spanish authors? Surely, a few people wrote in Spanish.
No, not all are 'gringo' authors. Did you look at them all?
The sad fact is there are very few Mexican authors whose books are translated into English. Included is the one, well known work by a Mexican:
A History of Lower California by Pablo L. Martinez
Also, not gringos:
History of (Lower) California by Francisco Javier Clavigero
The Letters of Jacob Baegert 1749-1761 Jesuit Missionary in Baja California
Discovery of the Kingdom of California (1632) by Nicolas de Cardona
Ethnology and Linguistics of Baja California by Miguel Del Barco
Much of the history of Baja pre dates Mexico, and research of Spanish and other documents from the missionaries is key to accurate historic data.
Local legends and beliefs are interesting, but may not be accurate. I have had this conversation with jrbaja, too.Iflyfish - 4-26-2007 at 06:44 PM
Wow, so many books! Amazing collection. Like old friends aren't they?
Thanks for all you share with us.
Iflyfish
David. You left out one book from your list
academicanarchist - 4-28-2007 at 11:56 AM
David. You left out from your list the book that I gave you. You should still try to get a copy of Meigs, The Dominican Mission Frontier of Lower
California.BAJACAT - 4-29-2007 at 11:34 AM
Here is a book that might be
inresting.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320107488986&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BID_IT&refitem=320106577247&
;itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widgetDavid K - 4-29-2007 at 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by academicanarchist
David. You left out from your list the book that I gave you. You should still try to get a copy of Meigs, The Dominican Mission Frontier of Lower
California.
No Robert, it's there: "Indian population Decline (The Missions of Northwestern New Spain, 1687-1840) by Robert H. Jackson"... look again!
I stand corrected
academicanarchist - 4-30-2007 at 12:37 AM
I stand corrected amigo. How are things with you these days?David K - 4-30-2007 at 08:30 AM
Fine thanks... only wish I could be in Baja more! In the meantime I have been contributing here on Nomad...
If you look at the Historic Interest forum I have been posting the EL CAMINO REAL between the missions where it can be seen in the Google satellite
photos... So far, I spotted it near Gonzaga Bay on the north extreme and as far south as Mision Guadalupe del Sur. Also, the two ECR routes between
San Ignacio and Santa Gertrudis (west of the sierra and east of the sierra) can be seen.bajalera - 4-30-2007 at 02:08 PM
I wouldn't pay a lot for the Las Casas--an inexpensive paperback edition of those books is commonly available at bookstores in Mexico.
DK--As I recall, the point JR used to argue is that to be an expert on peninsular history, one has to be able to read Spanish.
Reading Spanish
academicanarchist - 4-30-2007 at 03:43 PM
If one would like to research in primary sources, being able to read Spanish is a must. FOr the mission period, reading 18th century script is also
essential.David K - 4-30-2007 at 08:09 PM
Good for the experts.... I am just a history fan... while I do converse in Spanish at a fair level, I do not require the ability to read 18th centuary
Spanish to be able to ENJOY old California history!
Many of the old mission-era writings (Spanish and German ones) are available in English... I have a few, as you saw.
I hope what ever books you continue to write (Robert and Lee) will be available in English too, because the English speaking fan of Baja history will
be a major customer of your books.bajalera - 5-1-2007 at 08:38 AM
DK, you comment on Baja history and offer helpful info, but I can't recall that you've ever claimed to be an expert. You come across as what you are:
a history fan.
So far as I know, this board has only one designated authority on BC history: Robert.David K - 5-1-2007 at 08:41 AM
Yes, Robert Jackson PhD is a published history expert and reads Spanish... he makes a great 'academic anarchist'!
Lera
Baja Bernie - 5-1-2007 at 08:49 AM
Don't depreciate yourself.................If the folks knew a little more about you they would lump you right in there with Robert but they would have
to add a great sense of humor and the fact that you have lived the history for many years-- on the scene so to speak.
I salute the knowledge of both of you.................and David's ability to point the way so that so many can improve their enjoyment of Baja. He is
a great fan and a wonderful advocate of Baja with a whale of a lot of knowledge to share with all of us.bajalera - 5-2-2007 at 09:35 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Bernie, but I'm a lot of rungs below the anarchist on the ladder.
(If you have several hours you can devote to scrolling, read his resume on the Member List.)
Dr. Robert Jackson/ academicanachist
David K - 5-3-2007 at 08:25 AM
Don't mess with Robert... he's not just 'big' on Spanish history in the Americas!
academicanachist and I, Feb., 2003 at Viva Baja #4
see other Baja Nomads who attended: http://vivabaja.com/vivabaja4David K - 11-11-2009 at 07:49 AM
I have added these books to my list, above:
The Missions and Missionaries of California, Volume 1. Lower California by Zephyrin Engelhardt (Second Edition c1929)
The Dominican Mission Frontier of Lower California by Peveril Meigs c1935
The Missions of Baja California 1683-1848 by W. Michael Mathes c1977
The Camino Real and the Missions of the Baja California by Miguel Leon-Portilla c2008
The Land of Calafia: A Brief History of Peninsular California by W. Michael Mathes c2009
The first 3 were obtained to complete my research for the updated Baja Missions and Visitas web pages. Many mysteries I had previously were solved...
See http://vivabaja.com/missions1
