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Gonzaga Bay Resorts

cbuzzetti - 5-14-2007 at 10:09 AM

I had a friend bring back some Real Estate info from San Felipe for me. I got this just last night.
In the April 2007 Land & Home Vol. 1 #2 on pages 50 & 51 there is a 2 page ad for a Future Developement by Baja Bay Resorts in Gonzaga Bay.
Their web site is www.bajabayresorts.com
I looked this up and it takes you to their 2 developements in San Felipe. One is the large developement of Playa Del Paraiso that is now under construction near the marina with 208 condos on the beach. www.playadelparaiso.com
The other is Oasis de Baja. I appears that this one is not yet under construction. www.oasisdebaja.com
Not sure if this second one is for Gonzaga.
Has anyone heard of this yet?
It would be a real bummer to have a large resort in Gonzaga.

Bob H - 5-14-2007 at 10:23 AM

This is eventually going to happen. It's a beautiful area that will be hit hard with development over the next several years. These plans have been in the works for years. Pavement is next!
Bob H

rts551 - 5-14-2007 at 11:05 AM

Pavement first. Then these resorts will follow.

Bob H - 5-14-2007 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Pavement first. Then these resorts will follow.


That is exactly what I meant.... once that road is done, you'll then see everything else come in quickly.
Bob H

bajabum - 5-14-2007 at 04:01 PM

The Owner of the Los Pinos tomato operation in SQ also owns the Rancho Grande mercado in Gonzaga Bay. He also owns either the land or the long term lease rights for just about all the land between Alfonsinas and Pta Final and has had a plan for a large development on the table (or maybe its now on the shelf!) for years. There is a 3D model of it at the mercado. A few years ago I was down there and a group of about 20 VIP businessmen from China and Mexican govt officials were there being wined and dined as prospective investors. The problem in Gonzaga is the severe lack of fresh water so I wouldnt worry to much about condos and beech resorts coming along anytime soon. Im guessing they probably wont get around to developing Gonzaga Bay untill after they finish the Escalara Nautica project !

capt. mike - 5-14-2007 at 07:53 PM

Not so. I am talking with an attorney based in Mexicali that i met at the BBP, he's a pilot and is working with the new land owners around Gonzaga - they have close to 300,000 hectares under fee title now and are master planning. plus they have deep pocketed reserves to do things without waiting on lead sales to fund the improvements.
look for lot sales soon tho.
a great place to make things happen. We are working with them to provide 1st line mortgages via Carefree Mtg.

ok....i am ready to be pounced on by the no growthers..:lol:

elizabeth - 5-14-2007 at 08:01 PM

Just a little pounce! Is it true that there is a severe lack of fresh water? If so, why would you want to offer mortgages?

Five letters

Dave - 5-14-2007 at 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by elizabeth
Just a little pounce! Is it true that there is a severe lack of fresh water? If so, why would you want to offer mortgages?


DESAL

DavidT - 5-14-2007 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by elizabeth
Just a little pounce! Is it true that there is a severe lack of fresh water? If so, why would you want to offer mortgages?


DESAL


Six letters

Profit

Bob H - 5-14-2007 at 09:43 PM

Capt Mike knows what he's talking about.

Imagine this place 30 years from now... huh?

Bob H

capt. mike - 5-15-2007 at 05:24 AM

and......because people WANT to borrow money NOW to build their dreams, then when they can retire they might have it substantially paid for - have you not seen all the scuttle butt about the new freedoms the post baby boomers are enjoying with all their disposable income??
man, even young professionals with families are jumping on the "2nd vaca home" wagon now years before their parents ever considered it.

its a whole new ball game out there, and leisure time runs the bases.
work hard, play hard - its all good.

and yes......you can make water, and you can process waste...:spingrin:

TMW - 5-15-2007 at 07:20 AM

capt. mike, the people who will pounce on you remind me of the saying, what's the difference between a contractor and an envionmentalist? The contractor wants to build a house in the woods. The envirnmentalist has a house in the woods and doen't want anyone else to have one.

Dave - 5-15-2007 at 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by DavidT

Six letters

Profit



Profit is not a dirty word.

Minnow - 5-15-2007 at 09:16 AM

There has been a resort in Gonzaga for years. It is called Alfonsinas. I don't hear anyone crying about that.

right on....thx for the laugh TW!!

capt. mike - 5-15-2007 at 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by TW
capt. mike, the people who will pounce on you remind me of the saying, what's the difference between a contractor and an envionmentalist? The contractor wants to build a house in the woods. The envirnmentalist has a house in the woods and doen't want anyone else to have one.


how true it is.............:rolleyes:

and never mind getting jobs to people with skills or the will to learn them.

DavidT - 5-15-2007 at 09:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by DavidT

Six letters

Profit



Profit is not a dirty word.


I was answering a question, not placing moral restrictions on a word.

Packoderm - 5-15-2007 at 09:58 PM

David T, I think he was referring to a post that I made lamenting Baja's similarities to California's gentrification of its coastline. I deleted the thread because I really don't want to fight this fight. The powers that be can change Baja into any kind of paradise it sees fit, and if I don't like it after so many years, I will simply not visit there anymore just as I would never consider a road trip up the California coast unless it is en route to somewhere worthwhile such as the coast of British Columbia. Broken Group Islands sounds pretty good with summer coming on.

Crusoe - 5-16-2007 at 07:33 AM

Another little pounce for you Capt. Mike........You have stated....."and yes you can make water, and you can process waste"......Mike could you please tell us all exactly.....HOW DO YOU PROCESS DESAL WASTE??????

The Waste Factor

MrBillM - 5-16-2007 at 08:39 AM

Barring some startling technological development, the volume of waste byproduct (Brine) generated by the process will prevent High Volume usage. That factor, and not cost, has been the stopper in previous proposed applications in the U.S. and elsewhere.

capt. mike - 5-16-2007 at 11:26 AM

i was talking about sewage processing. i don't know didly dick about desal, but sure there are probably impediments - maybe it can't be done cost effectively - i'll defer to letting the market decide.

wonder why the salt can't be pumped back into the ocean?

oh well, i'll stick to what i do know - and that in and of itself is questionable i suppose!:spingrin:

Slowmad - 5-16-2007 at 01:06 PM

The brine resulting from desal is evidently very bad juju.
You'd have processed water to drink, but not much left to fish for if you pump it back into the sea. That, and you need a way to power the desal plant.
Using elementary risk/benefit analysis, the overall ambience and health of the bay might not be a fair trade for another boomer vacation ghetto.
In my opinion.

TMW - 5-16-2007 at 05:17 PM

A couple of sites on desalting water.

www.world-wide-water.com/#Home

www.acwa.com/television/desalting_water_facts.asp

From the latter:

California's Water: Facts on Desalting Water

What is Ocean Desalination?
Ocean desalination is the process of converting seawater into drinking water. Fresh water is separated from the salty ocean water and used for drinking and other potable water uses. The remaining salts and impurities are then discharged as brine.
There are two main methods for producing desalinated water: distillation and reverse osmosis.
Distillation is the oldest desalination process and has been used throughout the world for centuries. Distillation uses heat to evaporate water and separate it from salt and impurities. The evaporated water is captured and condensed as fresh water. The process is energy-intensive and used primarily in the Middle East and other oil-rich areas of the world.
Reverse osmosis uses membranes to separate fresh water from seawater. Ocean water is forced at very high pressures through a series of membranes, which allow water molecules to pass but not salts and other impurities. The remaining salts and residual water are discharged as brine, typically into the ocean.
Thanks to recent advances in technology, turning ocean water into drinking water is not as energy-intensive as it was a decade ago. These technological developments have reduced the costs and energy requirements of producing desalinated water. In some coastal areas, it is beginning to look like an increasingly feasible way to develop a drought-proof and reliable supply of water.
The desalination process also can be used to remove salt from brackish groundwater or recycled water with a high salt content. The energy required for desalting brackish groundwater is generally less than for ocean desalination.
Facts and Statistics About Ocean Desalination

According to the U.S. Desalination Coalition, there are more than 11,000 desalination facilities operating in 120 countries around the world. Most of those are located in the Middle East.
In the U.S., there are about 1,200 plants in operation that desalinate either seawater or brackish groundwater. Almost all of the seawater desalination facilities in the United States are small systems used for high-valued industrial or commercial needs. This may change in coming years.
In California, several small-scale pilot ocean desalination plants have been developed in coastal areas such as the San Francisco Bay Area and Southern California.
Currently, there are about 24 desalting plants operating in California that provide water for municipal purposes, with a total capacity of about 79,000 acre-feet. The number includes both seawater and brackish groundwater desalting facilities.
Over the past five years, public agencies and private entities together have put forward more than 20 proposals for large desalination facilities along the California coast. Some of the proposed projects would represent the largest desalination plants in the United States.
If all of those proposed projects were built, the state’s seawater desalination capacity would rise to more than 450 million gallons per day, which would supply roughly 6% of the state’s urban water demand.
The proposed plants range in size from a small facility providing water for a private development in Monterey to much larger plants in Southern California that would rank among the largest desalination plants in the United States.
California communities are pursuing desalination for a variety of reasons. For Southern California, a key factor driving interest is population growth, the need for drought reliability and a desire to reduce reliance on imported water supplies.
On the Central Coast, local water supply limitations, growth and drought concerns are prompting many agencies to consider seawater desalination.
In Northern California, where four desalination plants are proposed, agencies are seeking improved water reliability during droughts and emergencies as well as additional supplies for growing service areas.
Although the cost and energy requirements are coming down, ocean desalination is still a costly endeavor. There are also potential environmental impacts associated with ocean intakes that bring water into plants and the disposal of brine produced in the desalination process.

craiggers - 5-17-2007 at 10:58 AM

No offence to anyone who lives there now but Gonzga Bay looks like it could use a little bulldozing already. All those shanty houses, trailers & palapas pushed right up on the beach look kind of hideous to me. What do all those folks do with their sewage. Wait, let me guess.

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[Edited on 5-17-2007 by craiggers]

DeSal

MrBillM - 5-20-2007 at 11:45 AM

Watching "Meet the Press" this a.m. on NBC, I saw a commercial by GE bragging that their equipment had resulted in Two Billion Gallons of Water harvested last year worldwide. It initially sounds big until you think about it. The 300 million people in the U.S. would account for that much usage in One DAY at 6.7+ Gallons per person. While I realize that there are other manufacturers involved in the business, the process is still miniscule worldwide.