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Western OUtdoor News Shark Norma 029

Don Alley - 5-21-2007 at 07:18 AM

http://www.tailhunter-international.com/jonathansblog.htm

Cypress - 5-21-2007 at 07:34 AM

Sounds like there's a heck of a lot of opposition to Shark Norma 029.:bounce: It will be a very good thing if the people can get these new fishing regs tossed out.:yes:Sports fishing is probably the #1 drawing card for BAJA.:)

Crusoe - 5-21-2007 at 08:14 AM

Thanks for that link Don.........This should be required reading for all who love Baja!!! People should get involved and send out emails.:yes::yes::yes:

Numero Uno ?

MrBillM - 5-21-2007 at 08:41 AM

It would be interesting to see an analysis of the reasons that tourists visit or become part-time/full-time residents in Baja. While there is little doubt that Sportfishing was a major draw at one time, the current explosion in resort/housing developments Appears to include very few persons who have a significant interest in fishing.

People who are attracted to the Fishing tend, like all of us, to have a parochial or egocentric view of that activity and assume that it is of major significance to the rest of us. It is clearly still a major source of Foreign funds in some towns, principally in Baja Sur, but it is not clearly the number one source for Baja as a whole.

Paulina - 5-21-2007 at 09:44 AM

After reading Jonathan Roldan's article, Minerva's message and visiting the Sea Watch website I have two questions;

1. What are United States NGOs?

2. Who are the US Interest groups that are backing Shark Norma?

I also wrote to Minerva and asked her these questions as well.

P<*)))><

Edit: Here is the reply I quickly received from Minerva. I look forward to her next email.

Dear Paulina:

Thank you for your e-mail and concern for our very serious situation. I can tell you that our state is furious with Greenpeace and Defenders of Wildlife.
These are 2 of the supporters of the Shark Norma. One thing that is so important to remember is that this regulation pretends to fish responsibly for shark when in fact the commercial fishing boats will be fishing exactly where the juvenile shark population is and the other point which is ludicrous is that there is not one single impact study on how this shark norma would effect the Sportfishing (it will be capable of devastating our striped marlin and Dorado populations). This shark norma is filled with gaping holes which will produce devastation.
I'll try and get the list of other NGO's for you.

SINCERELY,



MINERVA

Email: minerva@minervas.com

http://www.minervas.com



[Edited on 21-5-2007 by Paulina]

aquaholic - 5-21-2007 at 09:47 AM

...the attraction of camping on the beach with my boat hanging on the hook just steps away was the deciding factor in my hanging my hat in the Bay, decades ago. Being on, in, and under the water was/is a way of life to most of my Baja friends and me. I'd agree, however, that most of the folks in the condos south of TJ and in Cabo, are not drawn by the water in the same way. I even see places like Posada that have a flotilla of boats sitting on the beach...sitting. Of course there are new attractions such as satellite TV and the internet nowadays...:biggrin:

Don Alley - 5-21-2007 at 12:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paulina
After reading Jonathan Roldan's article, Minerva's message and visiting the Sea Watch website I have two questions;

1. What are United States NGOs?

2. Who are the US Interest groups that are backing Shark Norma?

I also wrote to Minerva and asked her these questions as well.

P<*)))><

Edit: Here is the reply I quickly received from Minerva. I look forward to her next email.

Dear Paulina:

Thank you for your e-mail and concern for our very serious situation. I can tell you that our state is furious with Greenpeace and Defenders of Wildlife.
These are 2 of the supporters of the Shark Norma. One thing that is so important to remember is that this regulation pretends to fish responsibly for shark when in fact the commercial fishing boats will be fishing exactly where the juvenile shark population is and the other point which is ludicrous is that there is not one single impact study on how this shark norma would effect the Sportfishing (it will be capable of devastating our striped marlin and Dorado populations). This shark norma is filled with gaping holes which will produce devastation.
I'll try and get the list of other NGO's for you.

SINCERELY,



MINERVA

Email: minerva@minervas.com

http://www.minervas.com



[Edited on 21-5-2007 by Paulina]


NGOs (Non Government Organizations) supporting the Shark Norma:
Centro Mexicano de Derecho Ambiental, COMARINO (Conservation of Marine Mammals of Mexico), Defenders of Wildlife México, International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) and Greenpeace México

Cypress - 5-21-2007 at 12:38 PM

We're all in this together.:yes:Anything that detracts from the the overall experience is a negative.:no:

Good!

Dave - 5-21-2007 at 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
http://www.tailhunter-international.com/jonathansblog.htm


"adversaries say will virtually wipe out sportfishing in the Sea of Cortez"

fishbuck - 5-21-2007 at 03:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
It would be interesting to see an analysis of the reasons that tourists visit or become part-time/full-time residents in Baja. While there is little doubt that Sportfishing was a major draw at one time, the current explosion in resort/housing developments Appears to include very few persons who have a significant interest in fishing.

People who are attracted to the Fishing tend, like all of us, to have a parochial or egocentric view of that activity and assume that it is of major significance to the rest of us. It is clearly still a major source of Foreign funds in some towns, principally in Baja Sur, but it is not clearly the number one source for Baja as a whole.


Ya, I have to say that I think alot of people are more interest in the Tequila shooter exprience of Baja. The stereo type, the caricature or Disney version of Baja. Because that is how it is marketed.
They don't care about any fish except the one in their fish taco and don't know or care where it came from.
When the fish are gone people will still want to sit on the beach and drink Corona just like the commercial. I would say they are already planning on how to replace the fishermen who come to baja.
There is an endless supply of tourists from all the cold weather states and Canada willing to buy a vacation package so the can sit on the beach for a couple of days and thaw their frozen a$$ out and I doubt if they care about fish.

flyfishinPam - 5-21-2007 at 03:17 PM

This is timely the mention of Greenpeace as I was about to make regular donations to them in support of their stance on overdevelopment of the baja peninsula. I just e-mailed them asking what their official position is to NOM 029.

Dave, why is is good that adversaries say will virtually wipe out sportfishing in the SOC?

Dave - 5-21-2007 at 05:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Dave, why is is good that adversaries say will virtually wipe out sportfishing in the SOC?


Because combining "sport" and "fishing" is morally incompatible and the less of it...the better.

Osprey - 5-21-2007 at 05:49 PM

Dave, may I quote you a billions time over? Please, Please let me gouge those words of yours into steel so we can all know how wise you were. Dave the Sage????????????????????????????????????????????????????

backninedan - 5-21-2007 at 05:55 PM

"Morally incompatible"?? and here I thought Jerry Falwell was dead..

Don Alley - 5-21-2007 at 06:14 PM

Pam

Check your u2u please.

Thanks

Billions?

Dave - 5-21-2007 at 10:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
Dave, may I quote you a billions time over? Please, Please let me gouge those words of yours into steel so we can all know how wise you were. Dave the Sage????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Now you're being facetious. :rolleyes: