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Loreto water usage

tehag - 6-4-2007 at 03:24 PM

Loreto is putting some water conservation moves on. They are passing out notices that some restrictions on water usage will start to be enforced, with fines for abusers:

No garden watering except between 7pm and 6am.

Car washing from a bucket only, no hosing.

No street or sidewalk wetting for dust control.

Of the water pumped from San Juan Londó only about 15% ever reaches the wastewater treatment plant. They estimate that up to 60% of all Loreto water is unaccountable. Overuse and misuse are now targets of the municipio.

The already in progress upgrading of the system to stop leakage has; along with much disruption, of course; raised water pressure throughout the town appreciably.

jerry - 6-4-2007 at 03:32 PM

does that mean to rinse you put water in a bucket and then throu it on your car?? :bounce:

bajabird - 6-4-2007 at 05:14 PM

My gardener will be out of work; no problem on the car, I like it dirty;

Flushing? Is that still allowed?

oldhippie - 6-4-2007 at 05:29 PM

You can flush number 1 on odd days, number 2 on even days. If together, you must wait until the 12th to resume flushing.

Can't your gardener work at night?

Sorry, dirty cars are no longer allowed in authentic and sustainable Loreto. You will be fined.

BTW, who is going to enforce all of these you can do this but you can't do that rules to achieve authentic and sustainable living.

Bruce R Leech - 6-4-2007 at 05:33 PM

you all must suffer so Loreto Bay can sell more houses

Don Alley - 6-4-2007 at 05:39 PM

Experts say the water table may not last.

Government rejects experts, does own study.

That study is completed but not made public.

Streets torn up to replace pipes. Water use rules adapted. Water meters ordered. Hmmm...Makes you wonder what the latest estimate is on the aquifer...

And at LB, will there be a late shift to water the landscaping? I'll bet they're exempt.

Hook - 6-4-2007 at 05:49 PM

Jeez, beginning to look and sound like Alta California in Loreto.

Hey, can we ship Fabian Nunez and Villarigosa down there, too?

backninedan - 6-4-2007 at 06:23 PM

No increase in pressure here in colonia zaragoza. In fact, it has decreased since the street (repairs) began.

oldhippie - 6-5-2007 at 05:09 PM

Will the Loreto folks have to pay for their meters? I had to pay over $100 for mine here in TJ. But now I own one - oh goodie!

GOVT STUDY INFO

rob - 6-6-2007 at 08:06 AM

re "Government rejects experts, does own study. That study is completed but not made public."

Last year we forced INEGI/RAN to disclose what they had labelled as "confidential private information" in a land dispute.

The Mexican Freedom of Information Act has real teeth!

So if you really want to know what is in the water study . . . it's there for your use.

Osprey - 6-6-2007 at 08:23 AM

Rob, probably a good idea. I've just read some reports that say an average (there is no average) golf course uses the same amount of water as a town of 6,000 people. I figured the new one planned for our town will equal about the same as we use now (2,600 people mas o menos). Wouldn't you like to know what the Loreto golf courses will use? How about a nice water park for the neo-kids?

oldhippie - 6-6-2007 at 08:38 AM

how much water does a golf course require?

UC Riverside Study - golf course water use = 615 acre feet per year in Tuscon

http://ucrturf.ucr.edu/topics/trends_in_golf_course_water_us...

1 acre foot = 325,851 gallons

http://www.western-water.com/Acre-Foot_formula.htm

therefore 615 * 325,851 = 200,398,365 gallons

so 200 million gallons a year in Tucson

however, with cactus fairways and greens, and sewer water traps, it could be much less in Loreto

Please elaborate on this

flyfishinPam - 6-6-2007 at 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rob
re "Government rejects experts, does own study. That study is completed but not made public."

Last year we forced INEGI/RAN to disclose what they had labelled as "confidential private information" in a land dispute.

The Mexican Freedom of Information Act has real teeth!

So if you really want to know what is in the water study . . . it's there for your use.

I know about the study and that its results are being with-held. So you're saying there's a way to see these results? Please give more information so that I may investigate.

thanks

Skeet/Loreto - 6-6-2007 at 03:56 PM

Pam: Nobody will have to worry about Water in Loreto if another Hurricaine Lisa Hits!! It has now been over 35 years, Might be this Year- I hope that you are Prepared.

Skeet/Loreto

vandenberg - 6-6-2007 at 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Pam: Nobody will have to worry about Water in Loreto if another Hurricaine Lisa Hits!! It has now been over 35 years, Might be this Year- I hope that you are Prepared.

Skeet/Loreto

Hey Skeeter,
Can take that two ways. You mean it will wipe us off the map, so no more reason for water worries "OR" it will dump enough water to last us for the next 35 years. :?:

oldhippie - 6-6-2007 at 06:00 PM

ffPam,

A recent development in Mexico that has won high praise from the world community is what is called "transparency". The Mex gov. under Fox instituted new policies that require much of the gov processes be open for inspection in order to reduce corruption. I'm not sure how it works but if you can get in contact with one of the Mexican environmental groups named in the recent San Diego Union article by Sandra Dibble or named in the Harvard study, they would probably know how to pursue it.

Communicate with Sandra at the San Diego Union. She's interested in all that's happening and can utilize the resources of an almost major league newspaper to get info. We've swapped a few emails.

[Edited on 6-7-2007 by oldhippie]

oldhippie - 6-6-2007 at 06:10 PM

[Edited on 6-7-2007 by oldhippie]

Skeet/Loreto - 6-7-2007 at 06:57 AM

Van; Prior to 1976 there was a 7 Year Drought in Loreto; The Ranchers Hired a "Cloud Seeding Operation" which lasted for about two years, then along came "Lisa".
In La Paz alone there were 5,000 People swept into the Bay where they were Consumed by the Sharks{The Govt. reported only 500 People}.
Debris along with 80 Tons of Gravel was washed out 7 miles from the Beach of Loreto. Traffic could not get across the Arroyo to Saragosa for Days. Donkeys and Coral Snakes were washed into a Pile of Debris 3 Feet Tall in front of the Hotel Oasis.
Can you imagine what would happen to the Arroyo at San Bruno as Well? And since they Bulldosed the two Arroyos together at Miramar, it is an Accident waiting to Happen.

Good Luck to All if when it happens.

Skeet/Loreto

vandenberg - 6-7-2007 at 07:38 AM

Skeet,
I'll dig my " THE END IS NEAR " sign out of the garage. :lol:

surfer jim - 6-7-2007 at 07:49 AM

Maybe the town will post signs for the tourists which say ....."Don't drink the WATER"......... :lol:

Paula - 6-7-2007 at 07:56 AM

Always nice to hear from you Skeet!

flyfishinPam - 6-7-2007 at 06:23 PM

Hi there. I know about the ley de transparencia but how to find out about a particular study? I dunno where to start. I looked at the INEGI site the above poster mentioned and another on ron or something but this was all land issues. Perhaps there's an issue with the land over the san juan londo aquifer? who knows?

hurricane Lisa? no thanks don't want a category 3 within 100 miles of here but a nice cat 1 hitting about 8 miles south of town would significantly aid in increasing the level of the aquifers south of town.

John was tropical storm and stayed with us for 36 hours and gave us over a foot of rainfall. It all ran off, or maybe 99.9999% ran off the rest stagnated throughout town creating mosquito breeding area. One storm will not significantly increase the level of the water table here. The aquifers are here because of tens of thousands of years worth of "storms of the century". Another thing, when rains do come here they tend to be very localized so building dams to divert into specific areas may be all for naught.

finally on Sandra Dibble, I did write her when she was mentioned in posts several weeks ago, but whatever I said, maybe it was the "I challenge you to write an investigative article on...." part that scared her off, I never received a response.
:no:

flyfishinPam - 6-7-2007 at 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Van; Prior to 1976 there was a 7 Year Drought in Loreto; The Ranchers Hired a "Cloud Seeding Operation" which lasted for about two years, then along came "Lisa".
In La Paz alone there were 5,000 People swept into the Bay where they were Consumed by the Sharks{The Govt. reported only 500 People}.
Debris along with 80 Tons of Gravel was washed out 7 miles from the Beach of Loreto. Traffic could not get across the Arroyo to Saragosa for Days. Donkeys and Coral Snakes were washed into a Pile of Debris 3 Feet Tall in front of the Hotel Oasis.
Can you imagine what would happen to the Arroyo at San Bruno as Well? And since they Bulldosed the two Arroyos together at Miramar, it is an Accident waiting to Happen.

Good Luck to All if when it happens.

Skeet/Loreto

Skeet I am working on photo documentaries on the contrasts of living here. Miramar as it is today is a large part of that since I live in Miramar. It is a major disaster waiting to happen. The town cannot process all the land requests of the people in need of housing so they are squating wherever they possibly can. In the report that Hippie posted on another thread, Loreto Bay says they plan to aquire 15 hectares west of Miramar. Then where will all the people go? Miramar is the final frontier because it is close enough to walk into town and there are services fairly nearby. Filling, excavating and major changing of arroyos has and continues to take place. John hit us and we got off easy but Loreto has the potential of becoming a disaster in several areas including the town center. So glad I am pretty high up and not in or near an arroyo or on the beach. The shoreline is the most dangerous place one can be in a hurricane.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT

rob - 6-15-2007 at 09:58 AM

Sorry Flyfishingpam!

Did not look back at this thread . . all that is required is a letter requesting the information - there are restrictions - criminal findings, defence etc. but for ordinary civil matters, a government deprtment MUST respond within (I think) 40 working days.

You don't need an attorney to do this, but if you would like to speak to mine (he does not speak English) or need the address of the fed department, U2U me.

Rob