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Propane fridge repair 101?

El Camote - 6-7-2007 at 10:53 AM

The Dometic RM2807 in the moho ain't workin' so good in the propane mode. Works fine on AC and the electronics which switch it back and forth between the two modes seem to be doing their job. But on propane, it's not keeping the fridge or freezer cold enough.

I tried poking around in the innards and tapping on the flue vent which released a lot of gunk. The freezer seemed to get colder but it didn't affect the fridge.

Anyone have any experience trouble shooting propane fridges with this type of problem?

gracias

[Edited on 6-7-2007 by El Camote]

rhintransit - 6-7-2007 at 11:08 AM

if it's just recent and it's heating up wherever you are it's probably not a mechanical problem. the propane just can't keep things cool in the heat. if it's working fine on ac mode, you've just got to wait for cooler weather. and give up ice cream for the season.

comitan - 6-7-2007 at 11:08 AM

Take the jet out and clean it, and take a brush to the burner.

rhintransit - 6-7-2007 at 11:14 AM

am still saying it's the heat...propane cooling only able to take temp down a certain number of degrees over ambient temp. can't remember how many. most of the folks here in the village of El Juncalito have the same arguement every year...propane vs enough solar panels to run an electric. the year rounders all prefer ac. and ice cream.

Skipjack Joe - 6-7-2007 at 12:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by El Camote

I tried poking around in the innards and tapping on the flue vent which released a lot of gunk. The freezer seemed to get colder but it didn't affect the fridge.

[Edited on 6-7-2007 by El Camote]


The weaker the flame, the less it's cooling. That gunk you released probably fell on top of that pipe that releases the gas that is the source of the flame.

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but when I had the same problem and took to an RV place I had a weak flame and he cleaned out the debris (mostly grit and rusted metal) out to get the flame back up.

Check out this possibility.

Pescador - 6-7-2007 at 01:45 PM

Besides cleaning out the flue, take out the gas orfice and soak it in alcohol (not the potable type:biggrin:) and then blow it out with compressed air. Do not try to poke a wire or anything else through it or you will destroy the orfice. Rhintransit is right about how far below ambient temperature you are able to go, but if the electricity is taking it 40 degrees below ambient, then you should expect pretty close to the same with gas. Another problem that is very common is the regulator in your MHO may be getting old and stuck with the oil used in Mexico. Check your flame when you have several burners on with the stove to see if you start getting orange or less flame than normal. Some of those regulators are, in fact, adjustable, and can be reset to get closer to 11 inches of water column. I have a homemade watercolumn meter but if you can not find one of those, then you can have it checked at home.

bajalou - 6-7-2007 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by rhintransit
am still saying it's the heat...propane cooling only able to take temp down a certain number of degrees over ambient temp. can't remember how many. most of the folks here in the village of El Juncalito have the same arguement every year...propane vs enough solar panels to run an electric. the year rounders all prefer ac. and ice cream.


These multi powered friges use the AC to heat a element that heats the ammonia, just like the propane burner does. It does not have a electric compressor like a home electric one. Should be very little difference in cooling ability between the two modes.

El Camote - 6-7-2007 at 07:27 PM

Wow. great advice. I never thought of checking the pressure regulator. For sure it's not an ambient air temperature problem because the last time I used it over a month ago was in Coastal California at 65 degree max. temp. Of course the irony is the propane fridge in the trailer in Baja worked like a charm last week at 25 degrees warmer and it's 17 years older. :o

I'm a little confused about components. What is the difference between the "burner", the "jet" and the "gas orifice"? Are they not all the same part?

I'm going to take it apart this weekend and let you know what happens. Can't thank everybody enough for the valuable advice! :bounce:

comitan - 6-7-2007 at 07:38 PM

On the back of the refer there is a metal square box on the right side, that is held on with a screw take that off and you will see the burner smaller but like an oven burner, just to the left you with see the Jet,(orifice) you will need metric open end (2) #12 I think just take it out and clean as per Pescador. I always use acetone.

roundtuit - 6-7-2007 at 09:57 PM

First ck the tube from the jet to the burner for spider webs. Spiders love the smell of propane and build there webs and lay there eggs sacks in this tube

This the hard one, but you may also try what they call burping it. This is where they turn the unit upside down for 24 hrs, then right it and 24 hrs later fire it back up. Something to do with the oils in the ammonia.

Bob and Susan - 6-8-2007 at 04:26 AM

Is your propane gas refrigerator level?

Is anything blocking your propane gas refrigerator vents?

Are the gasket rubbers around the door damaged or misaligned?

Is there an ammonia smell coming from inside your propane gas refrigerator?

Is there is a yellowish powder or stain on or near the refrigerator cooling unit? ***refrigerant is leaking from the cooling unit and chances are it will need replacing

run the unit on gas and 120 volts to make sure it is not the controls.
If it runs well on one and not the other there is a good chance the controls are the problem.

check that the flame stays on when on gas.
If it is not the thermostat could be switching off too early.

sell the MH and buy a trailer:lol:

rhintransit - 6-8-2007 at 06:01 AM

interesting thread, and thanks for the opportunity to educate myself. with everyone's input and some on line research, I stand corrected, the propane should work as well as the ac...but both are affected by ambient temperature (if possible use a fan in hot months to increase air circulation).

my rv frig is not cooling as well these hotter days but its chuggling along fine. I've a second unit, a small Dometic three way portable that I am now using as a storage box since it died after less than a year of service. the suggestions of burping, burner cleaning, regulator change, etc did not work. the propane line was full of oily residue. barely lights and certainly doesn't cool. having no way to get it back for service, warantee or otherwise, I'm stuck with an expensive pantry addition unless anyone in the Loreto area wants to try to fix it...going for a real good trade maybe.

ncampion - 6-8-2007 at 07:06 AM

Try this site, they have some good technical advice sections. Most of the advice that has already been offered is right on. If AC works, then the basic cooling system is OK and it comes down to the flame. Jet, burner or pressure. The pressure is critical.

http://www.rvmobile.com/welcome.htm

El Camote - 6-8-2007 at 02:36 PM

Tried an initial test of the regulator, perhaps. Fired up all three burners on the stove top. Flames were all solid blue at the base with just some erratic yellow at the tips. Hope that clears the pressure regulator? Going to dig into the flame components tomorrow morning.

Neal Johns - 6-8-2007 at 03:58 PM

Grover and the other "cleaners" have the hot tips (many times you can blow the crud out with compressed air without disassembly), but it still will not get your Mountain Dew really cold in 100 degree ambient temperature. I gave up and got an electric only marine compressor type unit that fit right in. Not too good a deal if you camp in one place for several days but I am always on the go, so the batteries get charged.

IT worked

Al G - 6-8-2007 at 04:12 PM

This thread got me off my well used arse and ripped my water heater apart...now the sputtering is gone and I have a nice blue flame with no soot. It now goes from zero to hot in 25 minutes... 50% improvement more or less.
Thanks Nomads:yes::yes:

Skipjack Joe - 6-8-2007 at 04:25 PM

glad to help. ;D

El Camote - 6-9-2007 at 11:26 AM

OK. I removed the burner ass'y and shook out a load of soot, gunk, crud, whatever is the correct term. Then cleaned out the burner tube thoroughly with alcohol (not the sipping type). I noticed there's a 2nd sensor above the flame besides the thermocoupler. What is this for, temp. sensing? Could this be the culprit.

Anywho, I fired it up about 45 minutes ago, put a cup of water in the freezer and two cans of Tecate in the fridge. If it freezes the water and chills the Tecate by the end of the day, I'll celebrate by imbibing the test subjects :spingrin:



...if not it's back to the drawing board. :fire:

comitan - 6-9-2007 at 02:48 PM

Camote

You better get that Tecate out or it will be frozen.

El Camote - 6-10-2007 at 02:05 PM

Grover, duh, you're right about the igniter. How else would it light itself?

I've given it 24+ hrs. to stabilize and the water in the cup is frozen solid. The ambient temp. is ranging from about 52 - 75 F. It's now 18 degrees F. in the freezer. Is that normal to be that far below freezing?

The fridge is another matter. 54 degrees. Shouldn't it be more like 45 degrees? Although the Tecate seems cold enough to drink. :light:

I've turned down the temp. control some more and will give it to the end of the day and test again. Then I"m going to switch it over to 110 v. and compare the temps. tomorrow.

Cypress - 6-10-2007 at 02:12 PM

Those old refrigs make good smokers:D

El Camote - 6-10-2007 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Those old refrigs make good smokers:D



Yeah. I'm starting to think a couple coolers with a thick block of ice shoved underneath in the cargo compartments ain't such a bad idea. :o

vandenberg - 6-10-2007 at 02:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Al G
This thread got me off my well used arse and ripped my water heater apart...now the sputtering is gone and I have a nice blue flame with no soot. It now goes from zero to hot in 25 minutes... 50% improvement more or less.
Thanks Nomads:yes::yes:



Doesn't do much to get your Pacifico cold however:?::?::P:P

Neal Johns - 6-10-2007 at 03:20 PM

El Camote - What is your ambient temperature?

bajalou - 6-10-2007 at 04:15 PM

The Dometic propane frig in my 5th wheel here acts the same way and has for a couple years. Freezes great summer or winter, but frig part will only drop about 30-35 deg below ambient temp. Tubes to the coil for fridge are getting plugged. I put a rebuilt cooling unit in it about 5-6 years ago. Worked OK till last spring.

El Camote - 6-10-2007 at 07:56 PM

Well, 54 degrees was optimistic. That was this morning and it never got below 58 for the rest of the afternoon.

The freezer is staying a consistent 18 degrees though.

Grover, I don't think its the door gasket, it seems to close tightly. I switched it over to 110 volt so I can compare temps in the morning and that will (or won't) rule out the seal.

Neal, the ambient is now 59 and dropping quickly with a coastal fog coming in. I don't think it got much above 65 today and the gloom never fully lifted.

Lou, I'd be happy if the fridge could drop 30 degrees below ambient but I can see how that wouldn't fly in a San Felipe summer.

Last resort is drive the road whale to our only RV repair shop in town but somehow I'm not too thrilled with the idea of giving up my left one! :mad::O

bajalou - 6-10-2007 at 08:01 PM

Too bad - sounds like the tube for the fridge part is about totally plugged -

El Camote - 6-10-2007 at 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by bajalou
Too bad - sounds like the tube for the fridge part is about totally plugged -



But if it cools properly on AC, won't that rule out a plugged tube?

bajalou - 6-10-2007 at 08:18 PM

I forgot that - you've got gremlins for sure.

and the diagnosis is...

El Camote - 7-3-2007 at 10:12 AM

For those of you who have been losing sleep, tormented by what was wrong with my propane fridge. Worked on it this weekend, went out this morning to check the temp after running all afternoon and night on propane....36 degrees F.!!!! And the freezer is colder than a witch's mammary gland as well.

Several weeks ago, I talked to the local RV repair shop and explained the problem. They said hands down it was a gunk build-up towards the bottom of the vent tube and below the electric heater element. He said the best way to access it was from the top, pulling out the baffles and running a rag down through the vent. Looking down into the vent, this was nearly impossible because the roof vent was sealed with a screen and the vent tube was so far down, it could barely be seen with a flashlight.

Plan B was to remove the burner ass'y again (PITA) and access from the bottom which is difficult because there's only 3 or so inches of access space below the bottom of the tube to ram something up in there. First thing I used was a flexible, foam tipped swab dipped in alcohol. Like a Q-tip but longer and with a fatter foam tip - I use them to clean the heads on tape decks. This came back encrusted with soot and knocked loose some big chunks of the black gunk. To do it even better, I took a long, flexible retrieval tool and wrapped a small piece of rag around it soaked in alcohol and reamed it around in there as far as I could go. This also came back black but the chunks all but stopped dropping out.

Replacing the burner tube ass'y, I broke off one of the wire connections to the thermocoupler, tried to solder it but ended up having to buy another for $40. The new one is a better sealed design which would avoid this problem.

RV shop said they do a maintanence service on propane fridges for $125. which includes cleaning out the burner and the vent tube - exactly what I did. Had I known what I was doing to begin with, I could have done this whole job in under an hour.

Now, to fill that bad boy with brewskis and head to the beach for the 4th.!! :tumble::O:tumble:;D

Hope others can learn from this experience. :yes:

bajalou - 7-3-2007 at 01:13 PM

Great work Mike

Will you do the same to mine here in my 5th wheel next time you come down. Freezer is 5 deg. right now and frig part is 53 deg.

It's 95 here in the trailer and 96 under the patio roof. Might make part of the difference???

[Edited on 7-3-2007 by bajalou]

Hook - 7-3-2007 at 01:43 PM

Lou, try taking a rubber mallet to the tubing at the back. I've read the whole idea behind turning it upside down is to dislodge sulfates that begin to build up in the ammonia tubes, blocking movement of the ammonia.

Worth a try.......just dont get heavy-handed.

bajalou - 7-3-2007 at 01:46 PM

Heading to Nuevo Mexico in a couple days and will give it a rest, then try the mallet and tube job when I return.

Thanks