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Loreto Bay employee jailed in comondu

flyfishinPam - 6-13-2007 at 06:34 PM

Oh the things you read in Sudcaliforniano!

this link is in Spanish:

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n309520.htm

It states that Peter Wardle (63 year old Canadian pervert) an employee of Loreto Bay was interned for sexual violations. His jail sentence began on the 11th of June.

Remember that thread about this guy and someone who asked "lets hear Loreto Bay's story" well here you have it!

flyfishinPam - 6-13-2007 at 06:38 PM

and here's a link with the guys mug shot

http://www.loretobay.com/cms/page4177.cfm

is this part of the social responsibility being blessed upon this town?! :fire:

Crusoe - 6-13-2007 at 06:41 PM

Thanks Pam... That info makes me so happy I could just sing......What goes around comes around. ++C++ :biggrin:

Timing??

tehag - 6-13-2007 at 07:16 PM

At the airport yesterday (June 12th) I spoke with Peter Wardle for a moment at 2:45 PM. Somehow that would seem to conflict with his being in jail in Comondú. Again, I have nothing to do with LB and only just a very passing acquaintance with Wardle, but I am absolutely certain that he was not in jail in Comondú yesterday afternoon at that hour.

Crusoe - 6-13-2007 at 07:52 PM

Tehag.... What was your conversation about? You did not say? Was he in the process of fleeing Mexico maybe? This guy is a bottom feeder. I know people who were involved with him in some real estate transactions in Vancouver, B.C. and there is absolutely nothing redeeming about this man. It fits..... that he is or was a lackie for L.B.C... What a slime pit L.B.C. is. C :barf:

shari - 6-15-2007 at 09:20 AM

Pffffffttt...another can of worms! goodie...so um..I know that for this kind of offense, you don't get bail and it's real hard to get out once you are in Cereso, particularly on sexual offenses...so I can't wait to hear why he was at the airport??? I also know from experience (not mine but a close friend) that sexual abuse charges are very easy to fabricate and often used to "get rid" of somebody. hmmmm

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 10:02 AM

when the person who was served with a demanda is found innocent the accuser becomes responsible by law. there must have been some proof or else this family wouldn't have pressed charges.

I didn't write the story only read and posted what was online at the newspaper and with the name I plugged it into the search at the LB website and posted the direct link.

Bruce R Leech - 6-15-2007 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by shari
Pffffffttt...another can of worms! goodie...so um..I know that for this kind of offense, you don't get bail and it's real hard to get out once you are in Cereso, particularly on sexual offenses...so I can't wait to hear why he was at the airport??? I also know from experience (not mine but a close friend) that sexual abuse charges are very easy to fabricate and often used to "get rid" of somebody. hmmmm

In Mexico you can buy your get out of jail card at any time :lol:

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Do you have some information beyond the article?

yes but I won't elaborate but I was genuinely surprized to see this appear in the paper.

I have experience, unfortunately, of putting someone in jail so I have been through this process, if the person I accused was found innocent I would have been the one behind bars. and just lke Bruce says, money makes things happen here

bajabeachbabe - 6-15-2007 at 02:58 PM

There was a thread on the Trip Advisor forums for Loreto a month or so ago about this man. Trip Advisor has now removed ALL forum postings about Loreto Bay from their site. Something about Loreto Bay not relating to travel.....Yeah, right!?

The story as I recall was that the women he was sexually harassing were employees of LB. As I remember, they were Mexican women, not American or Canadian. What a scumbag!

Defamation, libel, slander

Dave - 6-15-2007 at 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam

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Originally posted by lencho
Do you have some information beyond the article?

Laws were recently repealed at the federal level. There are still State penalties.

(And I would sincerely doubt that gringos would be equally prosecuted or protected.)

fdt - 6-15-2007 at 03:24 PM

Nowere does it say on the article or make reference to Comondu, flyfishinpam wrote Comondu, don't know why.

[Edited on 6-15-2007 by fdt]

Of course, Mexican

Dave - 6-15-2007 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by bajabeachbabe
The story as I recall was that the women he was sexually harassing were employees of LB. As I remember, they were Mexican women, not American or Canadian. What a scumbag!

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. This happens with a frequency foreign to any law of average. Primarily used for extortion.

Odd that it would happen to an LB exec. Either the DA isn't on the payroll, wants a raise or someone wants to send them a message... Take LB down a peg or two.

That he would be either guilty or not is another issue entirely.

Oso - 6-15-2007 at 03:49 PM

Pam, your translation needs a bit of fine tuning. The article does not say his jail sentence started on the 11th. It says he was apprehended on the 11th. It doesn't mention a "sentencia" at all, or for that matter a trial, just that he was brought before a judge.

The "sexual violations" were sexual harrassment (acoso sexual) and "atentado al pudor", which can be a number of things but is usually indecent proposal.

The fact that he was arrested, processed at Cereso, and arraigned on the 11th and then seen at the airport on the 12th is not inconsistent. He may possibly have made bail, although this would not likely have included permission to leave the country. More likely, he "demon$trated his inno$en$e" to the judge and went free.

From all I've read here, let's hope he has skipped, will not return and the whole damn project falls apart. (wishful thinking?)

Paula - 6-15-2007 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Nowere does it say on the article or make reference to Comondu, flyfishinpam wrote Comondu, don't know why.

[Edited on 6-15-2007 by fdt]

Actually, Loreto is part of the municipality of Comondu, that is to say, in the county of Comondu, more or less.

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Nowere does it say on the article or make reference to Comondu, flyfishinpam wrote Comondu, don't know why.

[Edited on 6-15-2007 by fdt]

this piece was in the commondu section of the paper, Oso I am not translating the article just an interpretation an a partial one at that.

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 04:35 PM

Interesting that the men on this forum seem to want to give the accused the benefit of the doubt, no trouble with that but wow no compassion to the victim (or victims)? I had nuthin' to do with it but have been on the receiving end of passes from the boss and its not a comfortable situation to be in for yourself, for your family its very stressful and difficult.

Comondú

tehag - 6-15-2007 at 04:56 PM

The municipio of Comondú no longer includes Loreto. Loreto has been its own municipio for a few years now.

Accusation

tehag - 6-15-2007 at 05:02 PM

I, for one, am not defending anyone, nor accusing, nor fomenting a lynching based upon "news" in a paper that is not unused to a bit of sensationalizing.

I think maybe this whole thing is going to play out without my help, or that of some others who seem to be weighing in on the side of some kind of vigilante mentality directed at anyone or thing having anything whatever to do with certain developers.

And how would that work, exactly?

Dave - 6-15-2007 at 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Interesting that the men on this forum seem to want to give the accused the benefit of the doubt

Kinda like "Innocent until proven guilty"?

DENNIS - 6-15-2007 at 05:11 PM

Was he arrested and secured or wasn't he?
What is the confusion?

tehag

bancoduo - 6-15-2007 at 05:33 PM

Why do you always preface a statement about LB with "I don't have anything to do with LB"? Are you a LB employed sociopath on a guilt trip? "Meds" can do strange things.

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Interesting that the men on this forum seem to want to give the accused the benefit of the doubt

Kinda like "Innocent until proven guilty"?

well that's part of what I said but not all of it. what about the victim? she didn't ask for harassment and was only trying to do her job. I also believe in innocent until proven guilty but like Dennis says he ended up in front of a judge for a reason. now if this kind of accusation is "so common" then it should be reasonable to assume that a good portion of the men on this board have also been (falsely or otherwise) accused of this activity. now of course thats unreasonable to assume that because it ain't true. there was likely a reason this guy ended up in the pokey. if he did any of these things then good riddance!

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 05:40 PM

I guess the thing that really bothers me most is the mentality of some of the newcomers to Loreto who are wealthy. They think that their money can buy anything and everyone and that it will make them above the law and that their actions won't be questioned and that they can get away with anything they want. The natives are so naive they think...well think again. Good for the DA! He is a good man and helped us when we needed it too last year.

Roberto - 6-15-2007 at 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Interesting that the men on this forum seem to want to give the accused the benefit of the doubt

Kinda like "Innocent until proven guilty"?

Wow, Pam, you said a mouthful - "I believe in innocent until proven guilty, BUT"? BS - you obviously don't. Yes, he ended up in front of a judge for a reason - that reason may have NOTHING to do with being guilty of the crime. Everything you say points to pre-judging the case. Says a lot - everything I need to know, as a matter of fact.

[Edited on 6-16-2007 by Roberto]

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 06:31 PM

guess you got me, guilty :lol:

Got you both

Dave - 6-15-2007 at 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
guess you got me, guilty :lol:

You're debating ghosts.

Innocent until proven guilty?

In Mexico?

Isn't it the other way around?

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 06:57 PM

No I meant that I was guilty. sorry but I feel much more empathy for the victim in this situation.

Bruce R Leech - 6-15-2007 at 06:57 PM

the guy is a slime ball and I HOPE THE HANG HI HI

Psst... Pass it on

fdt - 6-15-2007 at 07:01 PM

All I said was that it doesn't say Comondu, and it wasn't even in the Comondu section, it was in the policiaca section.
This is getting funny, as a story, it reminds me of a game we played once about paying attention, at the end the story gets pretty funny and twisted arround, we now even have Loreto belonging "kinda" to Comondu :lol:

Loreto has been a municipality since 1992 :lol:

Players sit in a circle. The group leader will begin whispering a short paragraph
including names and details into the ear of the player next to him. At the end of the
story, the group leader says "Pass It On..." The next players then relays the story
to the person next to him and so forth. No one is allowed to repeat what was said.
Each player must speak clearly and each player must listen carefully to what was said.
Encourage players to repeat what they "heard". The last player stands up and relates
the story, ending with "Pass It On." The results are often hilarious.

cabobaja - 6-15-2007 at 07:06 PM

How do you really know there is a victim??? This is Mexico, before you speak negative against anyone, please provide facts and or proof. Do not reply on a Mexican newspaper.

flyfishinPam - 6-15-2007 at 07:09 PM

Ok so I made a mistake as to which section I last looked at before I posted it. irrevelant. so why don't you do a direct translation of this story it isn't very long and allow readers to make thier own decision. you know mine, don't call me for jury duty :biggrin:

meds

tehag - 6-15-2007 at 07:50 PM

A guilt-ridden sociopath on meds?? For refusing to participate in the electronic lynching of someone who may or may not have done something illegal I am personally attacked. Interesting. Fun thread here.

Paula - 6-15-2007 at 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
All I said was that it doesn't say Comondu, and it wasn't even in the Comondu section, it was in the policiaca section.
This is getting funny, as a story, it reminds me of a game we played once about paying attention, at the end the story gets pretty funny and twisted arround, we now even have Loreto belonging "kinda" to Comondu :lol:

Loreto has been a municipality since 1992 :lol:

Oops, I had a feeling I'd end up with egg on my face for that post. When a neighbor ran for presidente last election he campaigned in lots of rural places. and I thought Comondu was one of them. So is Comondu a part of the municipality of Loreto? :?:

And now I can't even seem to get my comments out of the quote box?? When you find yourself in a hole.... :biggrin:

Don Alley - 6-15-2007 at 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Paula

And now I can't even seem to get my comments out of the quote box?? When you find yourself in a hole.... :biggrin:

I think Insurgentes and Cuidad Constitution are in the municipality of Comondu.

Paula - 6-15-2007 at 09:33 PM

Goodnight Gracie.

Don Alley - 6-16-2007 at 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Paula
Goodnight Gracie.

Bruce R Leech - 6-16-2007 at 02:36 PM

Gees what a bunch of puranas on the attack. so she made a couple of mistakes in the translation. all bet she speaks better Spanish than most of you. why is it that when someone makes a post on this fourm half of the peple here think it is good sport to tear them up. get a life and post something constructive.

flyfishinPam - 6-16-2007 at 02:53 PM

Paula,

when you hit the quote button code will appear in the box where you type your text. Make sure you type your text after the </quote> tag (that part in quotes is called a tag in program language). IN html the tags being with < and end with > but in this bb code they begin with [ and end with ]. A diagonal line inside a tag is a closing tag kind of like the period at the end of a sentence. You can get really creative but keep in mind that the tags are nested which means you can put quotes inside of other quotes but you'll have to follow the logic or it won't look right. Just keep note of which </quote> belongs to the beginning tag the same tag as above but without the diagonal line. If you want I can show you. I'm at the shop every afternoon 3-9 and 4-9 on saturdays, cerrado sundays.

had to edit because when you type the bb equavalent of <quote> you get this

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[Edited on 6-16-2007 by flyfishinPam]