Friday's edition of the Los Cabos Daily News reports more protests against the new shark law are planned for the Government Palace in Mexico City.
Opponents of the law are finalizing legal strategies to overturn the law -- the article mentions the Mexican Marinas Association. Fishing industry
associations are meeting with state secretaries in the nation's capital.capn.sharky - 6-24-2007 at 01:26 PM
Sharks serve a very important service to the ocean. Just as the buzzards do to the dessert. They are at the top end of the chain of fish in the sea.
Break that chain anywhere, and there will be a terrible price to pay.Osprey - 6-24-2007 at 02:02 PM
Sharky, the buzzards in India are dying at a staggering rate from a virus and India is in real trouble -- they usually don't bury the dead, but place
them on pyres -- no more, not possible.
The shark law has nothing to do with sharks -- the permit holders got permission to longline, keep the bycatch if they promise to protect certain
shark specie (by releasing those which can safely be released?), stop finning, not target (from their 1,500,000 hooks) marlin, sail, turtle, whale
sharks. With no way to observe they will undoubtably "make the bait pay its way" and keep fish they find on every one of the 1.5 million hooks a
couple, three times a day, put em on ice in the 3300 boats, go home happy.Cypress - 6-24-2007 at 02:45 PM
Eventually they're gonna have to eat their bait.capn.sharky - 6-25-2007 at 07:27 AM
"by releasing those which can safely be released?), stop finning, not target (from their 1,500,000 hooks) marlin, sail, turtle, whale sharks." Thanks
for setting me straight. However, you ever see them bring up a longline? Very, very few, if any, of the fish are still alive. Whale sharks are
plankton eaters and won't eat a bait anyway. Asking Mexican commercial fisherman to promise anything is like asking a lawyer to be honest or a puta
for a freebie....same difference, I guess.Osprey - 6-25-2007 at 07:55 AM
Our southern waters can get up to 90º at times. If they don't haul in a timely fashion, nets or longlines, a lot of the catch will be spoiled beyond
the point of use as consumables -- since dorado may gain 10% of their body weight per day, the digestive process putrifies very quickly when they die
and spoils the fish from the inside out -- a double waste.
Looks like they caught one
bajajudy - 6-25-2007 at 09:35 AM
This is an article about a boat that was caught with sharks and marlins on it. It is now at the dock in San Lucas under control of the Mexican Navy.
Thanks Judy. Hope they don't just let em go without a fine. It will set a bad precedent if they buy into the excuse "We were not fishing for those
fish, they simply bit the wrong hook, died, we brought em aboard."Don Alley - 6-25-2007 at 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
Thanks Judy. Hope they don't just let em go without a fine. It will set a bad precedent if they buy into the excuse "We were not fishing for those
fish, they simply bit the wrong hook, died, we brought em aboard."
Doesn't the article say they were within 12 miles of shore? If that's true, they are either a navigational hazzard, not knowing where they are, or are
poachers and should be more than fined.bajajudy - 6-25-2007 at 06:12 PM
Ok, no flames but if it werent for nom 029 these guys would not have been illegal.
I keep hearing there is another side to this story. Flyfishpam, what did you finally decide after reading the laws?flyfishinPam - 6-25-2007 at 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by bajajudy
Ok, no flames but if it werent for nom 029 these guys would not have been illegal.
I keep hearing there is another side to this story. Flyfishpam, what did you finally decide after reading the laws?
tough call on a law that's disguised as an enviornmental law however I believe there can be some agreement between sport and commercial interests. I
wrote about it for what its worth:
on the fonmar fund which the state of bcs is using to fund the legal fight against this law: as of thursday in Loreto we are being told that we can
no longer purchase fishing licenses at the state office instead we must buy them through the conapesca website.
I purchased a license for myself on mothers day, payment took me about 45 minutes to figure out (you need a mex bank internet access) I did it by
direct deposit via bancomer as I don't trust them with my cc info. Well payment was made but can't print out the license because the site does not
recognize the payment code given by the bank! The secretary (the lovely Rosalia) told me that an americano had the same problem. PESCA is telling us
that everyone all over mexico is able to purchase licenses online except us dummies in BCS. I bought all my clients licenses for the month of June
but need to buy more for the early July dates. Will be finding out what's up now with this. Frustrating, but its mexico wey.
curious things about the conspesca website license purchases, you buy them by regions like oceano atlantico/mar caribe, freshwater interior, litoral
pacifico. The prices are incorrect and the clabes (payment codes that determine to which fund monies go to) are incorrect. Their web code is also
incorrect which makes it impossible to print both forms so that one can physicalloy take them to the bank and pay. Seems that they are streamlining
this so that third parties will be selling them (like myself) but that takes away from the ability of an average panguero to perform required services
to his clients.
I know a lot of folks may be sick of my rant, but I am speaking the truth. I abhor the accellarated widening of the gap between classes that is
taking place here and will always defend the average person.
Pam
woody with a view - 6-25-2007 at 07:18 PM
i don't know you and don't have any reason to doubt what you are relaying. keep up the good fight, sister!!!
hopefully, the P-nche politicos will realize just how juvenile they are in the scheme of the modern world and get on the ball.
Don Alley - 6-25-2007 at 07:51 PM
Here is the web address to purchase recreational fishing licenses:
well they changed some stuff like the prices are correct now and for those who will pay at the bank, both forms are printing correctly BUT when you go
back to register the payment you cannot select the date of the payment or the date for the start of the license. its still screwed up. I was given a
number for a guy at conapesca in mazatlan to call but no answer...this doesn't help!
I'll have to find out where my payment stands as I made it in may when they had prices incorrect. when I register that payment my operation ID (when
setting up the license form) is not recognized. So I'll be fishing with a file of all these papers showing that I made payment, etc. and no can print
license. Hopefully we can resolve this issue soon because we can no longer get licenses in Loreto unless we do it on the internet.
Another article about Tele
bajajudy - 6-28-2007 at 03:55 PM
A frenar la carnicería
Cabo San Lucas
La intervención del barco palangrero Tele, en cuyo interior quedaron al descubierto toneladas de tiburón entre los que se encontraban ejemplares
pequeños, ha puesto en evidencia la supuesta regularización que se llevaría a cabo con la NOM 029. Y alertado sobre los riesgos que entraña esa
depredadora norma para el futuro de Los Cabos. El Sector Naval por su parte dio a conocer que esperan contar para las tareas de vigilancia con un
helicóptero y otra embarcación.
El comandante en Jefe del sector Naval de Los Cabos Daniel Arturo Flores Bello confirmó que ya solicitó más personal y equipo que permita reforzar
las acciones en contra de la pesca furtiva y las posibles actividades ilícitas que se pretendan desarrollar en los mares nacionales.
Lo anterior, lo señaló luego de informar que ya en estos momentos está recibiendo la segunda nave interceptora que vendrá a fortalecer las acciones
de supervisión y vigilancia que la Armada de México realiza en contra de cualquier tipo de situación fuera de la ley que se pueda presentar.
Flores Bello añadió que la idea de aquí en adelante es seguir trabajando ahora ya son dos las naves interceptoras, una de ellas brinda el apoyo
a los cruceros para que el ascenso y el descenso de los turistas corra en la más completa seguridad, y también se brinde apoyo para salvaguardar la
vida humana en la mar.
Dijo que sin embargo aun no se cubre el personal que requiere para modificar las estrategias a seguir en este sector naval lo cual es muy probable
que llevará algunos días más, aunque reconoció que es importante que exista voluntad de parte del Secretario de Marina.
Precisó que en la reciente visita que el funcionario hizo a Los Cabos, realizó también un recorrido por el sector naval en donde anunció que este
espacio se convertirá en un centro de auxilio y supervivencia con más lanchas especiales de rescate e incluso un helicóptero.
Ahora no resta más que seguir presionando para que se puedan cubrir las vacantes que se requieren, más unidades de superficie y lanchas
interceptoras efectivas.
Agregó que ahora con el nombramiento que se hizo en La Paz como Zona Naval, lo que anteriormente se conocía como Apostadero Naval en Los Cabos pasa
a ser Sector Naval de Los Cabos y permite ciertos beneficios que poco a poco se irán palpando.
Lo más alto en cuanto a rangos de la Armada de México son las regiones navales mismas que abarcan el de la Región Naval 4 y que comprende todo
el golfo de California desde Cabo San Lucas y por toda la península hasta Mazatlán la cual tiene su sede en Guaymas, Sonora.
Los prestadores de servicios turísticos en su modalidad de pesca deportiva aplaudieron las acciones que la Secretaría de Marina a través del Sector
Naval de Los Cabos para la oportuna detención de dos embarcaciones que realizaban artes de pesca depredatorias violando flagrantemente incluso la
norma 029.
Al señalar lo anterior, Enrique Fernández del Castillo director general de Charters de Los Cabos manifestó que como principales promotores de
las acciones en contra de la NOM 029 están felices de que haya en la zona un contraalmirante está haciendo caso a las llamadas que se han venido
realizando por la presencia de embarcaciones de pesca comercial
Añadió que finalmente hay autoridad naval reconoció su entrega y labor profesional ante la detención de estos barcos lo cual prueba y demuestra que
todo lo que se ha estado denunciando con relación a la pesca comercial con norma o sin ella los pescadores hacen lo que se les da la gana.
Recordó que la norma 029 prohíbe a los pescadores comerciales cortar aletas a los tiburones y pescar las mantas pero cuando fueron detenidos,
ahí estaban los tiburones sin cabeza y sin aletas y las mantas, aunado a ello, la norma prohíbe las redes de más de mil metros y las embarcaciones
que detuvieron traían redes más grandes, por lo que ahí esta la prueba de que estos hacen lo que sea sin medir la dimensión del daño.
Fernández del Castillo señaló que se supo incluso de una tercera embarcación pero al parecer alcanzó a escuchar los llamados y huyó lo que no
permitió su captura. Pero ha 243 permisos que la Conapesca otorgó y que sobre todo no hay control por parte de esa dependencia federal no hay ni
nombres de quienes los compraron.
Todo lo anterior demuestra lo mal que se encuentra la Conapesca, y aun así pretenden defenderse mostrando únicamente la actitud arbitraria de Henry
Collard y de Humberto Becerra quienes han manifestado su poca o nula atención al artículo 13 de la ley de pesca.
Finalmente, el también miembro de la asociación de Marinas de México solicitó a las autoridades que las multas que se vayan a aplicar a las dos
embarcaciones detenidas, sean ejemplares y que estas pongan un precedente mientras que elaborarán una queja formal dirigida directamente a la
Conapesca con copia a Profepa y a la Secretaría de la Función Pública para que esta situación sea tomada en cuenta y se realicen las funciones
de las dependencias federales como realmente se debe.
El producto tiene que ser incautado para que así, los 243 permisos que dieron sepan a lo que se atienen si buscan las costas sudcalifornianas para su
negocio. Puntualizó Fernández del Castillo.
La NOM 029 y sus efectos ya presentes ante la llegada de buques comerciales a costas locales, fue el tema principal que trataron los integrantes del
Grupo Madrugadores de Los Cabos en su reunión semanal, quienes aseveraron que la norma es absoluta y totalmente dañina para el destino turístico, por
lo que es urgente perfeccionarla y promover normas subsecuentes y sus reglamentos que protejan las especies destinadas a la pesca deportiva.
Jesús Corral, Vice Coordinador del Grupo Madrugadores, informó al término de la reunión que fue una sesión productiva porque se sigue observando el
interés de los madrugadores en los diversos temas que afectan a la comunidad, uno de ellos, el que más preocupa es lo relativo a la Norma 029 de
pesca, su aplicación y sobre todo la diferencia de cómo se ve este problema en otros destinos turísticos, que dista mucho de lo que está demandando
Los Cabos.
Puso de ejemplo a Mazatlán, donde la importancia de la pesca comercial es prioritaria y es por mucho más importante que la pesca deportiva, siendo el
caso opuesto de Los Cabos, La Paz y Loreto, donde la actividad deportiva sigue siendo prioritaria.
Lo anterior demuestra cómo la aplicación de una norma federal pudiera tener diferentes puntos de vista en un destino turístico y otro, esto genera
dificultad para convencer a las autoridades federales de que Los Cabos tiene la razón en los riesgos que implica la aplicación de la norma tal y como
está.
Dicha situación preocupa, reconoció Jesús Corral, toda vez que mientras en regiones como Los Cabos la aplicación de la Norma está generando graves
problemas de depredación para las especies marinas, en otras zonas, hasta aplauden dicha norma, como el caso de Mazatlán, con ello se vislumbra cada
vez más difícil que se escuche la voz de los sudcalifornianos.
Por ello insistió el madrugador que es necesario que se autoricen los reglamentos, las excepciones, los complementos regionales derivados de la NOM
029 de pesca, para que se apliquen en ciertas zonas de exclusión, como Los Cabos, Loreto y La Paz, lugares donde se ven afectados los intereses
económicos derivados de una norma federal.
Sostuvo que la NOM 029 no tiene reversa, ya fue publicada, pero si se pueden promover las normas subsecuentes y los reglamentos que normen las
exclusiones en particular para Los Cabos y Baja California Sur.
Así mismo indicó que la presencia en Los Cabos del secretario de Turismo, Rodolfo Elizondo, es importante, así como la del Ejecutivo Federal y del
Comisionado de Pesca, hay que insistir para que vengan al estado y escuchen de viva voz los planteamientos de los diversos sectores de la población
con respecto a dicha norma.
También es importante la presencia de autoridades navales, judiciales, que tienen ingerencia en esta zona y que parecen estar nada más como
espectadores; en la medida en que cada uno de los funcionarios, directivos de diversas organizaciones analicen el daño económico que este tipo de
decisiones publicadas al vapor y no concensuadas están provocando, podrán actuar en consecuencia.
Precisó que aún existen discrepancias entre diversos sectores y organizaciones sobre el tema, la propia UABCS, el sindicato de pesca, todo es
indicativo de que la ley se hizo al vapor, obedeciendo a intereses económicos muy particulares de diversos grupos a nivel nacional, pero se desatendió
otro tipo de situaciones, sobre todo la afectación para la pesca deportiva.
Consideró correcta y adecuada la actuación de La Marina, al lograr la captura de los dos buques, que si bien su pesca era incipiente, porque se les
detectó a tiempo, esto es el principio de un verdadero ecosidio si sigue sin modificarse la NOM 029 de pesca para la protección de la pesca deportiva.
[Edited on 6-28-2007 by bajajudy]Russ - 6-28-2007 at 07:05 PM
CaboRon - 6-29-2007 at 06:53 AM
bajajudy - 6-29-2007 at 07:20 AM
I assume that the above mean that you need translation
I will attempt that later today unless some of our spanish speakers could help out...just a synopsis.
I THINK what it says is that while nom 029 may be good for Mazatlan where commercial fishing is a huge part of the economy, it is not good for Los
Cabo where we depend on sport fishing dollars/pesos from tourists.
The big problem with this boat is that they found very young sharks. there was a pic if you go to the link.bajajudy - 6-29-2007 at 09:36 AM
I do not have the time to translate word for word so I ran it through my translator. the ends=los cabos, the peace=la paz
To stop the butcher shop
End San Lucas
The intervention of the ship palangrero Tele in whose interior was to the discovered tons of shark among those that were exemplary small, it has put
in evidence the supposed regularización that would be carried out with the NOM 029. And alerted about the risks that it involves that depredadora norm
for the future of The Ends. The Naval Sector on the other hand gave to know that they hope to have for the tasks of surveillance a helicopter and
another craft.
The commandant in Boss of the Naval sector of The Cabos Daniel Beautiful Arturo Flores confirmed that he already requested more personal and team that
allows to reinforce the actions against the stealthy fishing and the possible illicit activities that are sought to develop in the national seas.
The above-mentioned, pointed out it after informing that already in these moments she/he is receiving the second ship interceptora that she/he will
come to strengthen the supervision actions and surveillance that the Armada of Mexico carries out against any situation type outside of the law that
you can present.
Beautiful flowers added that the idea from now on is to continue working now they are already two the ships interceptoras, one of them offers the
support to the cruises so that the ascent and the descent of the tourists runs in the most complete security, and you also offers support to safeguard
the human life in the sea.
She/he said that however not yet covers the personnel that requires to modify the strategies to continue in this naval sector that which is very
probable that will take some more days, although it recognized that it is important that will exists on behalf of Marina Secretary.
She/he specified that in the recent visit that the official made to The Ends, he also carried out a journey for the naval sector where he announced
that this space will become an aid center and survival with more special boats of rescue and even a helicopter.
Now it doesn't subtract more than to continue pressing so that they can cover the vacancies that are required, more surface units and boats effective
interceptoras.
She/he added that now with the appointment that was made in The Peace like Naval Area, that that previously was known as Naval Post in The Ends it
becomes Naval Sector of The Ends and it allows certain benefits that little by little will leave feeling.
The highest thing as for ranges of the Armada of Mexico is the same naval regions that embrace that of the Naval Region 4 and that she/he understands
the whole gulf of California from End San Lucas and for the whole peninsula until Mazatlán which has their headquarters in Guaymas, Sound.
The lenders of tourist services in their modality of sport fishing applauded the actions that Marina Secretary through the Naval Sector of The Ends
for the opportune detention of two crafts that you/they carried out arts of fishing depredatorias violating the norm 029 flagrantly even.
When pointing out the above-mentioned, Enrique Fernández of the general managing Castle of Charters of The Ends manifested that as main promoters of
the actions against the NOM 029 are happy that there is in the area a contraalmirante he is paying attention to the calls that have been come carrying
out for the presence of crafts of commercial fishing
She/he added that finally there is naval authority it recognized their delivery and professional work before the detention of these ships that which
proves and it demonstrates that all that has been denouncing with relationship to the commercial fishing with norm or without her the fishermen make
what you/they are given the desire.
She/he remembered that the norm 029 prohíbe to the commercial fishermen to cut fins to the sharks and to fish the blankets but when they were stopped,
there they were the sharks without head and without fins and the blankets, joined it, the norm prohíbe the nets of more than a thousand meters and the
crafts that stopped they brought bigger nets, for that that there this the test that these they make what is without measuring the dimension of the
damage.
Fernández of the Castle pointed out that it was even known about a third craft but apparently she/he reached to listen the calls and what didn't allow
its capture escaped. But there are 243 permits that the Conapesca granted and that mainly there is not control on the part of that federal dependence
there is not neither name of who bought them.
All the above-mentioned demonstrates the bad thing that the Conapesca is, and even so they seek to defend only showing Henry Collard's arbitrary
attitude and of Humberto Becerra who have manifested its little or null attention to the article 13 of the fishing law.
Finally, the also member of the association of Marine of Mexico requested to the authorities that the tickets that will apply to the two detained
crafts, be exemplary and that these they put a precedent while they will elaborate a formal complaint directed directly to the Conapesca with copy to
Profepa and the Secretary of the Public Function so that this situation is taken into account and be carried out the functions of the federal
dependences as it is really.
The product has to be confiscated so that this way, the 243 permits that gave taste like what you/they abide if they look for the cost
sudcalifornianas for its business. Fernández of the Castle remarked.
The NOM 029 and their effects already present before the arrival of commercial ships to local costs, the main topic that the members of the Early
rising Group of The Ends tried in its weekly meeting who you/they asserted that the norm is absolute and completely harmful for the tourist
destination was, for what is urgent to perfect it and to promote subsequent norms and their regulations that protect the species dedicated to the
sport fishing.
Jesús Corral, Vice Coordinator of the Grupo Madrugadores, informed at the end of the meeting that was a productive session because it is continued
observing the interest of the early risers in the diverse topics that they affect to the community, one of them, the one that more worries is the
relative thing to the Norma 029 of fishing, his application and mainly the difference you leave this problem in other tourist destinations how that
dista much of what is demanding The Ends.
It put from example to Mazatlán, where the importance of the commercial fishing is high-priority and it is for much more important that the sport
fishing, being the opposed case of The Ends, The Peace and Loreto, where the sport activity continues being high-priority.
The above-mentioned demonstrates how the application of a federal norm could have different points of view in a tourist and other destination, this
generates difficulty to convince to the federal authorities that The Ends have the reason in the risks that it implies the application of the such
norm and like it is.
This situation worries, it recognized Jesús Corral, all time that while in regions like The Ends the Norma's application is generating serious
pillaging problems for the marine species, in other areas, until they applaud this norm, as the case of Mazatlán, with it is glimpsed it more and more
difficult that the voice of the sudcalifornianos is listened.
For she/he insisted it the early riser that is necessary that the regulations are authorized, the exceptions, the derived regional complements of the
NOM 029 of fishing, so that they are applied in certain exclusion areas, as The Ends, Loreto and The Peace, places where the derived economic
interests of a federal norm are affected.
It sustained that the NOM 029 doesn't have reverse, it was already published, but if the subsequent norms and the regulations can be promoted that
normen the exclusions in particular for The Ends and South Baja California.
Likewise it indicated that the presence in the secretary's of Tourism Ends, Rodolfo Elizondo, is important, as well as that of the Federal Executive
and of the Commissioner of Fishing, it is necessary to insist so that they come to the state and listen the positions of the population's diverse
sectors personally with regard to this norm.
It is also important the presence of naval, judicial authorities that you/they have ingerencia in this area and that they seem to be nothing else as
spectators; in the measure in that each one of the officials, directive of diverse organizations analyze the economic damage that this type of
decisions published to the vapor and non concensuadas is causing, they will be able to act in consequence.
She/he specified that discrepancies still exist between diverse sectors and organizations on the topic, the own UABCS, the fishing union, everything
is indicative that the law was made to the vapor, obeying economic interests very peculiar of diverse groups at national level, but another type of
situations was disregarded, mainly the affectation for the sport fishing.
It considered correct and appropriate The Marina performance, when achieving the capture of the two ships that although their fishing was incipient,
because they were detected on time, this is the principle of a true ecosidio if she/he continues without modifying the NOM 029 of fishing for the
protection of the sport fishing.
I hope this helps. It will give you the general idea
no te percupas Judy
flyfishinPam - 6-29-2007 at 06:51 PM
Not only do I not have time to translate this I don't have time to read it and that's exactly what the problem is!
You see we're not making milliones de dolares in the sportfishing business. Yes we make a decent living but we're in it for something else. We love
fishing and we love the people that fish, foreign clients and Mexicano pescadores alike!
Trouble is in this industry, like many others, its highly competitive so when we're not working 20 hour days (like I am right now) we're marketing and
promoting and setting up our reservations for that all-important busy season. Time and lack of funds (I ma not independently wealthy no herencia
aqui) and having to make ends meet are keeping those(regular people) of us in this industry very busy pretty much all the time. So for this reason we
in the sport fishing industry and in the tourism indiustry are not united.
Economics in Mexico (correct me if I'm wrong please)
source of vitality of the Mex economy:
#1 drogas wey
#2 PEMEX aciete
#3 remittances from workers in USA
#4 tourism
commerical fishing industry...don't know where it is on the list but it likely doesn't make the top ten.
so lesson is we need to get past our differences and UNITE. sportfishing industry, hotels, restaurants, gift shops, real estate all turismo driven.
I've been trying to do this but have had to back burner it as right now all hell's breaking loose and I am working from 4am to midnight (sometimes
later) every day. I also have two young children 4 and 7 and do most everything myself because I;'m a damned perfectionist. However when the season
ends I will be making more of an effort to do something about this in terms of trying to Unite all of us in this industry, (#3 turismo). as the IGFA
rep for Loreto its my duty to do so. we'll kick butt
