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How do they survive out there?

Yakfishing - 6-25-2007 at 05:09 PM

It never fails to amaze me on the drive down Highway 1 to see a solo bicyclist in the middle of nowhere. It is dangerous enough driving highway 1, but on a bicycle it seems suicidal to share the narrow road with the cars and big rigs.
I also think about the “wanderers” I see – a scruffy guy wrapped in a blanket out walking on the side of the road in the midday heat with the nearest town 50 miles away.

We always see at least a half dozen from each category during our trips to and from BOLA. How do they survive out there? Food, water, shelter?

woody with a view - 6-25-2007 at 05:23 PM

some folks live on the edge.........

mar 2006 009 (Small).jpg - 40kB

TMW - 6-25-2007 at 05:46 PM

It must be by luck. There is no way I would ride my bicycle on a paved hwy in Baja. Could you imagine two 18 wheelers coming toward you, one behind and one in front or a bus. No thanks

toneart - 6-25-2007 at 06:04 PM

I copied this photo from another Nomad but didn't retain his/her name.

Tight squeese on Baja 1.jpg - 38kB

Halboo - 6-25-2007 at 06:09 PM

Hijole! :o
That's some serious pucker factor! :O

I guess that's why some folks like the back roads so much;)

mike odell - 6-25-2007 at 06:23 PM

Here in our area of the east cape,in the winter months, we encounter Lotsa
bikes on Hwy 1, some riding two abreast yakking away, with there Speedos
and aerodynamic plastic punkin protectors on their little cone heads!
I have even seen daddies and momies dragging thier infant children in a cart behind their bikes. I find that absoulety nuts. Meet one dump truck and a Aguila bus at the same time, who's gonna
get checked out???
You cannot Fix Stupidity!
Same thing with rental quads on the carrettra, every year some pilgrim bites death in the butt.
Went to Cabo yesterday, saw two dudes Walking side by side on the 4 lane, with a surfboard to protect them from the traffic doing about 70 mph!!
Again, can't fix stupid!!
And they Vote!!

bancoduo - 6-25-2007 at 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by mike odell
Here in our area of the east cape,in the winter months, we encounter Lotsa
bikes on Hwy 1, some riding two abreast yakking away, with there Speedos
and aerodynamic plastic punkin protectors on their little cone heads!
Their called "bike N-zis" in calif. It wouldn't hurt to get rid of some of them. A little diesel fuel on a turn at the bottom of a steep hill is a useful tool.:cool:

[Edited on 6-26-2007 by bancoduo]

Phil C - 6-25-2007 at 06:45 PM

It looks like a chalange on a map while at home in Germany or Sweden. Almost all I have talked with are Euros. Some with thier kids and yes dogs in trailers as well.

DENNIS - 6-25-2007 at 07:00 PM

They show a blatant disregard for the damage they can do to the fender of a fast moving car. Bad Baja etiquete.

woody with a view - 6-25-2007 at 07:21 PM

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They show a blatant disregard for the damage they can do to the fender of a fast moving car.


not only that, but when a vehicle goes off the road the entire contents of the vehicle become free to anyone who cares to stop and get their grab-on!

what does a bicycle flying off the road add to the economy of baja?????:?:

bancoduo - 6-25-2007 at 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
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They show a blatant disregard for the damage they can do to the fender of a fast moving car.


not only that, but when a vehicle goes off the road the entire contents of the vehicle become free to anyone who cares to stop and get their grab-on!

what does a bicycle flying off the road add to the economy of baja?????:?:
A free Halloween costume.:lol:

RockhouseTom - 6-25-2007 at 07:42 PM

Once I saw a young couple on a very small moped 30-40 miles north of the BOLA turn off headed south. They had back packs and plastic gallon milk jugs filled with what looked like gas and H2O. Where were they headed? They never showed in Bay of LA. Where did they come from? Did they survive hwy 1? If they did It might make a great book.

mike odell - 6-25-2007 at 07:51 PM

Nah, more like bussard food, which they already got plenty of, i.e. dead cows, goats, rabbits, lizzards, eropeonones, assorted other road kill, anyone study how much time a bike needs to rust away in Baja, sorta like an undiscovered Tecate can, or a dirty diaper?

pappy - 6-26-2007 at 08:56 AM

i think those bike riders are carrying some kind of death wish...i'm sure it is some adventure but i've seen too many bad things happen on that road to do it on a bike...one year, heading south, after clearing the winding hills sout of rosario, we saw a biker ahead.we pulled over to see if they needed/wanted a lift, some food, etc. turned out to be a very attractive young lady from canada heading i believe to bola, then who knows where.after some small talk i learned she saw some article about the beauty of baja and how awesome it is to see it by bicycle,etc. etc.plus she had never been to baja,so forth and so on.we offered some friendly advice, gave her an apple and some water and off she went...i often wonder if she made it .perhaps she posts here?

BICICLETA

bajadock - 6-26-2007 at 09:20 AM

AVID BIKER HERE, HOWEVER,
After my first Baja trip Sept '06, making it down to La Paz, I still had a few brain cells convincing me to leave my road bike in storage. May have to sell it. It's as useful as my skis and snowshoes here.

I have been in some challenging situations on a bike, but prefer not to be a hood ornament on HWY 1. Mtn bike on off-road trails is my rule here for now.

Also, interesting how much crap bikers catch. Yes, a few bikers are extreme in their death wish. Wonder how many farm tractors catch the same amount of venom for "being in the way".

"USE THE FRIGGIN' SIDEWALK!" shout at bikers is right up there with yelling "FORE" when driving by a golf course. BRILLIANT!


Al G - 6-26-2007 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by bajadock
AVID BIKER HERE, HOWEVER,
After my first Baja trip Sept '06, making it down to La Paz, I still had a few brain cells convincing me to leave my road bike in storage. May have to sell it. It's as useful as my skis and snowshoes here.

I have been in some challenging situations on a bike, but prefer not to be a hood ornament on HWY 1. Mtn bike on off-road trails is my rule here for now.

Also, interesting how much crap bikers catch. Yes, a few bikers are extreme in their death wish. Wonder how many farm tractors catch the same amount of venom for "being in the way".

"USE THE FRIGGIN' SIDEWALK!" shout at bikers is right up there with yelling "FORE" when driving by a golf course. BRILLIANT!


I have a bicycle and try to stay in shape to use it on trails. I don't ride it much around here, because people really don't like the freaks and numb skulls bicyclist around the San Francisco area. Bicycles are getting a bad rap from these people and and the Baja loonies.
The Baja loonies are made up of mostly people who get the idea from other Real Loonies at extreme magazines...I think from the S.F. Bay Area...These nuts do not warn people they may lose their life...just that it is doable.
Also, interesting how much crap bikers catch. Yes, a few bikers are extreme in their death wish.
I believe they catch crap, because it is not "just" their lives they are messing with. If I kill one of them...it will forever affect me....knowing that if I come on one in MY motorhome and cannot stop in time for whatever the reason...they are going over the side as they are the element that is creating the danger.

Mexitron - 6-26-2007 at 10:58 AM

Was thinking a separate bike path following the main highway would be nice...I know, I know, ain't gonna happen...but would be pretty cool!

sancho - 6-26-2007 at 11:41 AM

The Pacific Coast Hwy runs thru
town here in So Orange County
Ca., I often seen bike riders
headed so. with bike bags, etc.,
headed to Mex and
beyond, i've spoke to several,
more often than not they
are Europeans, with Swiss flags
or some other, my theory is
that they see the road on
a map down Baja, and assume
it to be like any other road,
all of us know better,
recently met a couple Euros
on recumbent bikes, headed
to La Paz, ferry over then on to
Cancun

vagabond - 6-26-2007 at 12:23 PM

While we were at Cielito Lindo last year we had a young bicyclist (mid 20s) named
Andre camp next to us and he was from Luxembourg. He told us that he rode on average 50 to 75 miles a day on average.
The only problem he had was when he took the shortcut through the river bottom
coming off the main highway to the campground ( the old road).
He was on his way to cabo then he was planning on taking the ferry across to the mainland and further south.
Sure hope he made it

Debra - 6-26-2007 at 01:11 PM

Bicyclist? Can't figure out just wh.y they do that.........death wish? Don't know any better? I do know they scare me!

Hitchhikers? I know how they survive, Nomads like you and I, see them along the road, in sleeping bags, no water, a plastic bag by their side and stop and give them a ride.

Al G - 6-26-2007 at 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
Was thinking a separate bike path following the main highway would be nice...I know, I know, ain't gonna happen...but would be pretty cool!

The new HWY 1... they are building in Sur may be safer for them, but not by my standard. Unless a lane is built for them..Mexico should Ban them now. As a after thought, much of Mex 1 is used by locals and quads on the side road....that should be where they are allow/made to travel. I know, i know many places have no side...just a drop off.

Pops - 6-26-2007 at 02:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
Was thinking a separate bike path following the main highway would be nice...I know, I know, ain't gonna happen...but would be pretty cool!


The "main highway" was a bike trail before it was paved!:yes::o:lol:

David K - 6-26-2007 at 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Pops
Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
Was thinking a separate bike path following the main highway would be nice...I know, I know, ain't gonna happen...but would be pretty cool!


The "main highway" was a bike trail before it was paved!:yes::o:lol:


Here's the original Baja Main Highway between San Agustin and Cataviña... The truck shown is coming to it from the new highway, a mile to the west. This is just south of the famous El Camino Real waterhole of Agua Dulce...


Markitos21 - 6-26-2007 at 05:16 PM

My brother and I passed (very slowly) two blokes headed south near Santa Rosalia. We where wondering the same thing. How the hell did these fools make it this far? A few days later they arrived in La Paz and where next door to us at the Pension. They where from Germany and told us that US drivers where the worse in the world because our roads are so large and safe we didnt know how to drive. Can you imagine the poor truck drivers that had to dodge those guys? Needless to say we didnt get along much after that. As a matter of fact they found somewhere else to hole up in while in La Paz

Mexitron - 6-26-2007 at 05:33 PM

Hmm...maybe they could replace the Escalara Nautica with Escalara Bicicleta:lol:

David K - 6-26-2007 at 05:34 PM

Hey Markitos!!! When are you coming back north? Is you boat down there now...? Enjoyed the cruise, a few years ago!

TMW - 6-26-2007 at 05:52 PM

Those Germans were just joking with you. The Autoban and the two lanes are built like the U.S. highways, basically same width. I've driven in Germany and France and they are really good highways, great place to visit. On the Autoban the speedlimit is 60 for the right lane and commercial trucks are only allowed to pass in the left lane not stay there. Speed limit in left lane is unlimited but a cop can still give you a ticket if he thinks your going too fast for the vehicle your driving. Also you must pull over from the left lane if a faster vehicle comes up behind you.

DENNIS - 6-26-2007 at 06:29 PM

TW ---

You mean the Autobahn is a two lane road? No more?

mtgoat666 - 6-26-2007 at 06:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Markitos21
They where from Germany and told us that US drivers where the worse in the world because our roads are so large and safe we didnt know how to drive.


Having biked in Europe and US, I would agree that US drivers are worse for bicyclists, but not for that reason. US drivers are odd ducks in that they think bikes are kids toys not meant for the roads, while most other countries seem to think differently about bikes. For instance, in Italy and Spain they drive crazier with regards to US norms, but they show bikes more consideration -- only in the US have I experienced car drivers that purposely cut close to bikes or yell at bikers,... and I can't imagine what makes these drivers act like such jerks. Can't tell you much about Mexican drivers in Baja, as I only Mt Bike there.

DENNIS - 6-26-2007 at 06:48 PM

I can attest to the Mexican practice of biker protection in my area.

I live on a five mile windey road hill, from the bottom to the end. It has one lane on each side, up and down.

Too often, on a weekend morning, a driver will travel the distance at three miles per hour, running interference for one or two biciclists, dressed in their stupid glowing uniforms.
The driver of the car has effectively taken the road as his own and couldn't care less about other drivers who may have something better to do than crawl up the hill at his speed.
These are people who deserve a road trip on HWY one.

[Edited on 6-27-2007 by DENNIS]

[Edited on 6-27-2007 by DENNIS]

woody with a view - 6-26-2007 at 07:08 PM

maybe a soft "nudge" on the bumper will get their attention. when he pulls over to inspect the damage pull along side and tell the idiot, "i'll see you at the top!"

Al G - 6-26-2007 at 07:19 PM

think bikes are kids toys not meant for the roads
You damn right they are not meant for roads and for sure not on roads with traffic doing the speed limit of 40-60 mph and these marooons doing 5-10 mph...you cannot be so "enlighten" as to think that is safe. In 5-10 years when the traffic exceeds safety for even cars...you will still be saying you have a right to the road. I say register these aholes charge them $20,000 a year in vehicle fees and build roads for them...don't expect us to foot the bill and give you a free ride.
The riders should be smoged for sweat oder and excess gassing:biggrin::biggrin:

bajadock - 6-26-2007 at 07:22 PM

Geez, I thought this pot would have been bubbling more. Been shopping for tile and doors for new house most of the day.

1. Don't know about "bicycle guys", but this guy who enjoys bicycling admits some bikers seem to want to torment drivers. Not smart!
2. US drivers seem to have a need for anger venting. Bikers, lacking 4,000 lbs of steel protecting them are an easy target. Agree with MTGOAT about other countries and their attitudes towards bicycles.
3. As JFK's prez council on phys fitness didn't take very well, those who exercise regularly are categorized as fanatics, lunatics, nuts and gaunt. I am not gaunt. My trash can shows the evidence of my beer consumption skills!
4. Dennis, yes, some of the outfits are perfect for only certain neighborhoods of San Francisco or ice-dancing. But, given the battle between drivers and bikers, better to wear day-glo than be wearing pavement/dirt as a result of "I couldn't see you and what were you doing on the street?".
5. Drivers in Colorado are much more willing to provide room to bicycles, IMHO, due to the # of bikers on the road. There are still some idiots on the small saddles AND the captain's chairs on the road in Colorado, too.

Safety should be #1 on the road for all, or getting to point B never happens. I'm certain we all have friends, family or acquaintances that have met terrible fates on the road.

Safe traveling this upcoming busy week. ALLTHEBEST

Al G - 6-26-2007 at 07:26 PM

Thanks DK...hope you don't mind me coping that one...always wanted to know what Mex1 looked like before:D

Bajaboy - 6-27-2007 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Al G
think bikes are kids toys not meant for the roads
You damn right they are not meant for roads and for sure not on roads with traffic doing the speed limit of 40-60 mph and these marooons doing 5-10 mph...you cannot be so "enlighten" as to think that is safe. In 5-10 years when the traffic exceeds safety for even cars...you will still be saying you have a right to the road. I say register these aholes charge them $20,000 a year in vehicle fees and build roads for them...don't expect us to foot the bill and give you a free ride.
The riders should be smoged for sweat oder and excess gassing:biggrin::biggrin:


Be careful where you start tossing your bombs....

May I suggest we get rid of the oversized RVs that aren't meant for such a small road? Or the old geezers trying to navigate them....???

Not trying to start any wars but just a friendly reminder to look in the mirror and lighten up a bit.

Zac

woody with a view - 6-27-2007 at 10:37 AM

the thing is, is, rv's aren't any larger than an 18 wheeler.

Bajaboy - 6-27-2007 at 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
the thing is, is, rv's aren't any larger than an 18 wheeler.


But think of it from the truck driver's perspective...I'm sure they don't like all the RVs, etc. Again my point wasn't to point fingers but to lighten up....

It's a dangerous road regardless of what you're driving or who is driving...be careful out there.

Zac

woody with a view - 6-27-2007 at 10:45 AM

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It's a dangerous road regardless of what you're driving or who is driving...be careful out there.


'specially if you ride a bicycle and two LARGE vehicles are bearing down on your own piece of space and time :O:o.

pappy - 6-27-2007 at 10:45 AM

i ride my bike everyday, but think about the safety of folks in autos-in other words, i stay well within the lines of bike lane or as far on the shoulder as possible. i COMPLETELY hate bikers who disregard the lines,etc. and ride out in the traffic lane, which in turn causes me(or anyone else) to have to cross over into oncoming traffic lanes so we don't run the friggin' bikers over....why can't there be a "legal shove" law? ya know, a friendly tap with bumper like woody said....

burnrope - 6-27-2007 at 10:48 AM

I'll take bicycles on Hwy1 over oversize RV's anytime, although I'd never ride a bicycle on Hwy1. With the road being so narrow they seemingly have to drive 12 to 18 inches over the center line, making them impossible to pass. I've lost mirrors on my truck encountering them coming from the other direction. It would be great when they're caravaning they could at least leave some room inbeween their rigs to fit in when passing.

Al G - 6-27-2007 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by Al G
think bikes are kids toys not meant for the roads
You damn right they are not meant for roads and for sure not on roads with traffic doing the speed limit of 40-60 mph and these marooons doing 5-10 mph...you cannot be so "enlighten" as to think that is safe. In 5-10 years when the traffic exceeds safety for even cars...you will still be saying you have a right to the road. I say register these aholes charge them $20,000 a year in vehicle fees and build roads for them...don't expect us to foot the bill and give you a free ride.
The riders should be smoged for sweat oder and excess gassing:biggrin::biggrin:


Be careful where you start tossing your bombs....

May I suggest we get rid of the oversized RVs that aren't meant for such a small road? Or the old geezers trying to navigate them....???

Not trying to start any wars but just a friendly reminder to look in the mirror and lighten up a bit.

Zac


If you cannot drive a large RV on Mex 1 without a problem...you should stay out of them. The only problem I have is with Bicycles and and young and dumbers pulling campers. I still manage to keep myself AND them safe...

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Originally posted by burnrope
I'll take bicycles on Hwy1 over oversize RV's anytime, although I'd never ride a bicycle on Hwy1. With the road being so narrow they seemingly have to drive 12 to 18 inches over the center line, making them impossible to pass. I've lost mirrors on my truck encountering them coming from the other direction. It would be great when they're caravaning they could at least leave some room inbeween their rigs to fit in when passing.

I have the skill level to keep my right front tire on the white line and trucks do the same thing...I have never had my mirror broken...your truck is 2' norrower...what is your problem???
There is no doubt you should stay out of anything beyond the young and dumber skill level.

I pay for the right in taxes and lic. fees to drive my rig anywhere I want to...Now I am sure you can agree...you should to.
This is not a bomb...You know bicycles have NO right (free ride or danger to others) on the road and certinly not Mex 1.
I do not want my life affected by lame brain bicyclists!!!:moon:

burnrope - 6-27-2007 at 12:11 PM

Al G, I was all the way over to my right, the oncoming RV was a foot over the line into my lane. It's not my skills that were the problem.

Al G - 6-27-2007 at 12:42 PM

I said if you cannot drive an RV safely stay out of them...never seen an RV or anything 18" over the yellow line in a on coming pass...will take your word...that how it happen. The driver must have been asleep maybe...
BTW...I don't like caravans either...Some of them should be driving a truck anyway:biggrin:

Al G - 6-27-2007 at 12:45 PM

Enough about RV...not the problem...Bicycles are the danger...
Give me a solution and not an excuse.

mtgoat666 - 6-27-2007 at 01:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Al G
think bikes are kids toys not meant for the roads
I say register these aholes charge them $20,000 a year in vehicle fees and build roads for them...don't expect us to foot the bill and give you a free ride.


I and many bicyclists probably pay more road costs than you thru non-fuel taxes paid. If we use your logic, I say tax the cars for the true total cost of roaad building and maintenance (i.e. 100% of road costs to come via motor fuel taxes and vehicle license fees -- Al, you won't like that if you drive a lot). As it is now, cars get roads w/o paying fair share of road cost. Sorry, Al, bikes are legal vehicles and may use vehicle lanes where necessary (avoiding the litter on shoulder tosssed their by car drivers), and you better learn to live with them, until the law changes.

Cypress - 6-27-2007 at 01:09 PM

Have been behind the behinds of too many bicyclists.:barf: If they'd only get out of the middle of the road?:?:

Al G - 6-27-2007 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
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Originally posted by Al G
...never seen an RV or anything 18" over the yellow line in a on coming pass...will take your word...that how it happen. ...quote]
Huh. I've seen it happen a few times and it always tightens my sphincter.......

Not to be picky...How did you manage to pass without a head-on?
Were you in a taco? Truckers and buses do not give much respect to small vehicles...otherwise the driver would have to be out of it...not the norm IMO. I also will say again...some drivers do not have the skill to drive a motorhome...Back to bicycles please:biggrin:

Al G - 6-27-2007 at 01:39 PM

and you better learn to live with them, until the law changes.
Well if I come around a turn, or what ever the reason and I cannot stop my 20,000# vehical...before a head-on and I suffer...you will die...and I will have to live with that too. Maybe you will survive and have to live with it too...

mtgoat666 - 6-27-2007 at 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
and you better learn to live with them, until the law changes.
Well if I come around a turn, or what ever the reason and I cannot stop my 20,000# vehical...before a head-on and I suffer...you will die...and I will have to live with that too. Maybe you will survive and have to live with it too...


You need to reduce your speed if you can't see around a corner. You are more likely to hit a cow than a bike -- driving too fast around blind corners on hwy 1 is silly. You may be lobbying to ban bikes, but I doubt you will get very far lobbying to ban cows. Collide with a cow, and the 1,000 lb cow with will probably kill you or destoy your too big SUV or RV.
Gringos and their obsession with cars! I say tax the car owner until they scream. Too long has my town been slave to building roads. I say you all need to use high speed trains, and take your bike with you. A little bit of exercise would be good for you, to work off all those tortillas and pacifico

Al G - 6-27-2007 at 02:32 PM

"driving too fast around blind corners on hwy 1 is silly"

I NEVER drive to fast under any conditions...NEVER...and if I hit a cow, I assure you I will feel different then if I kill your a$$.
We are all human and humans can make mistakes...I will hurt and feel bad...YOU will pay for that mistake with your life...for your stupidity.

Mango - 6-27-2007 at 08:01 PM

While I wouldn't ride a bike down Hwy 1 myself; I don't see a problem with people doing it. Is it crazy? To me yes.. but lots of people in cars and trucks are crazy too.

If you are driving a big rig or RV around a corner so fast that you couldn't miss a bicyclist if a truck was coming the other way, what would you do if a family of 5 was sitting around the corner in a disabled minivan?

I guess we should ban minivans too.

I rode a bike around town for years; because, I had no car. I've been hit a few times times, and each time was by an inattentive driver that violated my right-of-way. Cars will often pull out in front of bike riders in situations when they would never pull out in front of cars. They never think of the other person, can they stop, will they be hurt, just.. me me me.

Yes, here in California bikes have "right-of-way" just like cars and are expected to ride on the road, not the sidewalk, and follow the same rules as cars. I'll admit many bike riders don't follow the laws; but, you have to also admit just as many drivers break laws all the time.

I have two turns on the road by where I live and often see drivers stop at a yield sign with no traffic to yield to, then drive 1/2 block to a stop sign which they run. I'd say they just didn't care about the law, except they stopped at a yield sign that took a little skill to look for cars and drive at the same time. In reality.. it is just unskilled drivers that never took the time to learn the law.

I had a guy bump me(almost kill me), honk at me, and yell at me to get on the sidewalk because he didn't have the skills to safely pass a bicyclist on a road with 3 lanes going his direction. He then pulled into a gas station down the road 1/4 mile to get gas.

I can't tell you how much I wanted to pull into that gas station and chew the guy out or worse. But, being smarter than your average unskilled driver; I realized, everyone at the gas station would just see a "crazy bicyclist" confront the guy for seemingly no reason.

People in cars often have no clue; as some bikers have no clue as well. A little bump to you, is lifelong injury or death to the rider. Bike riders have to put up with so much @#$! most people would loose it. By law, they have the same rights as cars.

So deal with it, or at least do a better job explaining to me how sitting on your arse in an air conditioned cab, spinning a wheel with your hands and pushing pedals with your feet, is so hard that you just can't bear to slow down enough to share the world with people on bicycles or pedestrians. I know it is annoying to deal with bikers; but, life is full of annoyances we all have to deal with.

Keep driving faster than conditions allow and maybe I will put some flowers on your cross on the side of the road sometime.

Just because a bike rider is killed by some unskilled, maniac driver, that probably does not know the laws in which they are bound to obey.. does not make the bike rider stupid.

Edited for syntax..
[Edited on 6-28-2007 by Mango]

[Edited on 6-28-2007 by Mango]

woody with a view - 6-27-2007 at 08:21 PM

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So deal with it, or at least do a better job explaining to me how sitting on your arse in an air conditioned cab, spinning a wheel with your hands and pushing pedals with your feet, is so hard that you just can't bear to slow down enough to share the world with people on bicycles or pedestrians. I know it is annoying to deal with bikers; but, life is full of annoyances we all have to deal with.



i was referring to a post which stated some prick in a car blocking for a crew on bicycles. bump the prick and flip him off as you pass.....

Mango - 6-27-2007 at 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
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So deal with it, or at least do a better job explaining to me how sitting on your arse in an air conditioned cab, spinning a wheel with your hands and pushing pedals with your feet, is so hard that you just can't bear to slow down enough to share the world with people on bicycles or pedestrians. I know it is annoying to deal with bikers; but, life is full of annoyances we all have to deal with.



i was referring to a post which stated some prick in a car blocking for a crew on bicycles. bump the prick and flip him off as you pass.....


Yep, I hear you... wasn't really referring to anybody in particular; but, just the general anti-bike get out of my way I'm more important than you attitude expressed by some.

I agree with you.. it is BS to have a car blocking slowing traffic.. just creates a bigger hazard. Yep, I said hazard. Bike riders can and will be hazards. More often it is other drivers or cows.

Personally, I ridden tens of thousands of miles on the Mexican bus system. The long haul bus drivers are some of the best drivers out there. I've been in a bus going around a blind turn to see to everyones horror, a truck with a bus passing it coming towards us in our lane.

Some emergency braking; followed by a high speed Mexican "smerge" and every thing was ok.

Just want to encourage everyone to slow down enough to enjoy the ride. Thats all really.

However; I do recommend to all people go fast and stress out in their next life if they feel they missed out on any stress in this life, but for now.. enjoy.

Bajaboy - 6-27-2007 at 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Mango
While I wouldn't ride a bike down Hwy 1 myself; I don't see a problem with people doing it. Is it crazy? To me yes.. but lots of people in cars and trucks are crazy too.

If you are driving a big rig or RV around a corner so fast that you couldn't miss a bicyclist if a truck was coming the other way, what would you do if a family of 5 was sitting around the corner in a disabled minivan?

I guess we should ban minivans too.

I rode a bike around town for years; because, I had no car. I've been hit a few times times, and each time was by an inattentive driver that violated my right-of-way. Cars will often pull out in front of bike riders in situations when they would never pull out in front of cars. They never think of the other person, can they stop, will they be hurt, just.. me me me.

Yes, here in California bikes have "right-of-way" just like cars and are expected to ride on the road, not the sidewalk, and follow the same rules as cars. I'll admit many bike riders don't follow the laws; but, you have to also admit just as many drivers break laws all the time.

I have two turns on the road by where I live and often see drivers stop at a yield sign with no traffic to yield to, then drive 1/2 block to a stop sign which they run. I'd say they just didn't care about the law, except they stopped at a yield sign that took a little skill to look for cars and drive at the same time. In reality.. it is just unskilled drivers that never took the time to learn the law.

I had a guy bump me(almost kill me), honk at me, and yell at me to get on the sidewalk because he didn't have the skills to safely pass a bicyclist on a road with 3 lanes going his direction. He then pulled into a gas station down the road 1/4 mile to get gas.

I can't tell you how much I wanted to pull into that gas station and chew the guy out or worse. But, being smarter than your average unskilled driver; I realized, everyone at the gas station would just see a "crazy bicyclist" confront the guy for seemingly no reason.

People in cars often have no clue; as some bikers have no clue as well. A little bump to you, is lifelong injury or death to the rider. Bike riders have to put up with so much @#$! most people would loose it. By law, they have the same rights as cars.

So deal with it, or at least do a better job explaining to me how sitting on your arse in an air conditioned cab, spinning a wheel with your hands and pushing pedals with your feet, is so hard that you just can't bear to slow down enough to share the world with people on bicycles or pedestrians. I know it is annoying to deal with bikers; but, life is full of annoyances we all have to deal with.

Keep driving faster than conditions allow and maybe I will put some flowers on your cross on the side of the road sometime.

Just because a bike rider is killed by some unskilled, maniac driver, that probably does not know the laws in which they are bound to obey.. does not make the bike rider stupid.

Edited for syntax..
[Edited on 6-28-2007 by Mango]

[Edited on 6-28-2007 by Mango]


Thanks for the great post Mango!

Zac

Pescador - 6-28-2007 at 07:59 AM

Once I had an ultralight airplane dealership where we taught, sold and repaired ultralights. We had a farmer who owned a lot of land adjacent to our little airport and he became almost completely obsessed with an irrational fear of someone falling out of the air and crashing on his property. When I was trying to deal with him around this issue, it came down to a strong fear that he would be the one who would be the first on the scene of an accident and there would be "blood and guts" all over the place and he would have to experience that. I acknowledged his fear and concern and suggested that he did not need to be an emergency responder and that the medical and EMT people would obviously be the ones who would take that responsibility if anything should ever happen but that really did little to resolve the issue.
My wife has almost the same feeling when she sees a bicycle on the highway, and in Colorado we have a lot of those, and my reaction is more one of passive disinterest and a kind of live and let live philosophy prevails. I think it would be a real lifetime experience to bicycle the baja but so would playing "russian roulette".

jimgrms - 6-28-2007 at 09:09 AM

My humble opinion is the bikes are not a problem as long as the auto and rv drivers keep there speeds safe. I live in colorado and seems like everone rides bikes up here and is not a problem,

Stickers - 6-28-2007 at 10:02 AM

I too hate inconsiderate bicyclists and 18 wheelers and leviathan RVs.
What I do love bajadock's avatar.

:yes::wow::o:wow:

Bob and Susan - 6-28-2007 at 10:26 AM

oh yea....avatar...haaaa

"live to ride...ride to live..."

Pops - 6-28-2007 at 12:58 PM

Possibly an Ahole award.....

Pulling my boat behind my 4X4 Suburban a bicyclist decided that it would be a good idea to "draft" me between the Sub and the trailer....NOT!!!!!!

DENNIS - 6-28-2007 at 01:08 PM

What can you say about people who want to be ground round?

CaboRon - 7-5-2007 at 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
TW ---

You mean the Autobahn is a two lane road? No more?
:cool: The Autobahn is a four lane Hwy. Two lanes each direction. Beautiful roadway, the last time I drove it everyone ran with running lights and if you saw headlights it ment the vehicle behind you (doing over 100 mph) needs you to pull into the right lane. Visibility was excellent: I sometimes think all these headlights do nothing but increase overall glare and decrease visibility. Well, Now I have strayed off course, my appologies. CaboRon