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WaterPure Commences International Deployment of Atmospheric Water Generators

SUNDOG - 7-10-2007 at 07:22 AM

WaterPure Commences International Deployment of Atmospheric Water Generators
Evaluation Unit Placed in Baja Seaside Resort Development

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--WaterPure International, Inc. (OTCBB:WPUR) announced today that it has placed an Atmospheric Water Generator evaluation unit in The Villages of Loreto Bay. A seaside resort development in Baja California Sur, Mexico, The Villages of Loreto Bay is the largest sustainable development under construction in North America.

Paul Lipschutz, WaterPure Chairman states, “The Villages of Loreto Bay is an environmentally sensitive project. Like us, they support sustainable development which is described as ‘meeting the needs of the present generation without sacrificing the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.’ Sharing the same commitment to environmental responsibility, The Villages of Loreto Bay chose our Atmospheric Water Generator (AWG) because it produces water from the ambient air around it without depleting the traditional water supplies. This is our first international placement but watch for more once the environmental impact of our AWG is realized. We expect to rapidly roll out to other environmentally sensitive locations worldwide.”

About Water Generators

The WaterPure Atmospheric Water Generator extracts moisture from the atmosphere through a condensation process and transforms it into absolutely pure, healthy drinking water. Multiple air and water filtration systems remove particulate matter smaller than .01 microns. Utilizing high intensity UV (ultra violet), it eliminates any microorganisms including bacteria and viruses. Test results of WaterPure water measured 99.9% purity, far exceeding EPA requirements. Operating on standard 110v power in the USA, it is extremely efficient and uses a minimal amount of energy to produce water. Depending on local electricity costs, a gallon of WaterPure water costs about 8 cents to produce. The unit requires no plumbing, water lines, or pipes and is easily installed. Driven by a microcomputer control system, it will stop generating water when full. The WaterPure purification system employs special filters to remove any unpleasant tastes or odor that may be present in the air. The result is fresh and delicious drinking water in its purest form.

About WaterPure International

WaterPure International, Inc. markets water production and treatment products in the USA and abroad. The Company's principal line of products includes several models of Atmospheric Water Generators, devices that produce water from the humidity present in the air. For more information, visit www.waterpureinternational.com.

About Loreto Bay

The Loreto Bay Company, headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona was founded in 2003 and is led by Chairman David Butterfield, president & CEO Jim Grogan, and CFO Tom Nolan. The Company is developing The Villages of Loreto Bay, a series of seaside villages in walkable neighborhoods. Built on 8,000 acres along the Sea of Cortés near the historic fishing village of Loreto, Baja California Sur, Mexico, the 6000 homes designed for The Villages are a showcase for sustainable development practices. For more news and information, visit www.loretobay.com.

Safe Harbor Statement

This press release contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "Exchange Act"), and as such, may involve risks and uncertainties. Forward-looking statements, which are based on certain assumptions and describe future plans, strategies, and expectations, are generally identifiable by the use of words such as "believe", "expect", "intend", "anticipate", "estimate", "project", or similar expressions. These forward-looking statements relate to, among other things, expectations of the business environment in which the Company operates, projections of future performance, potential future performance, perceived opportunities in the market, and statements regarding the Company's mission and vision. The Company's actual results, performance, and achievements may differ materially from the results, performance, and achievements expressed or implied in such forward-looking statements.

Russ - 7-10-2007 at 07:48 AM

What a cool thing! Hope it works well. Pam and the folks in Loreto are just going to love the propaganda though. see it here: http://www.waterpureinternational.com/products.html

[Edited on 7-10-2007 by Russ]

Pescador - 7-10-2007 at 08:23 AM

Man, first they steal the water from the ground and now they are trying to get all the water from the air too. :no:

Hook - 7-10-2007 at 09:02 AM

Now, if we can just squeeze hydrogen from the air for our boats and trucks, we will be in there!!!!

It's Mad Max meets Waterworld.

Costs ?

MrBillM - 7-10-2007 at 09:27 AM

This type of unit has been around for a few years. I remember a discussion on this site a couple of years back regarding the same subject.

I'm wondering how they breakdown the cost at $.08 per gallon ? If this is simply the actual production cost, it would be interesting to know what the actual overall cost is factoring in the purchase price and installation, maintenance costs (including labor) and equipment replacement cycle.

Are these addressed in their promotional materials ?

BTW, we CAN extract Hydrogen in our own garages. There are numerous vendors marketing equipment to extract Hydrogen for use in the BBQs they sell. The cost of extraction is very high, though.

Osprey - 7-10-2007 at 09:35 AM

I'm reporting these people to Al Gore & Co. I'm no chemist but it is obvious to me that if you take the water out of the air you will add greatly to Global Warming. Dry air cannot protect the earth from the sun's powerful gamma/slamma rays the same way wet air does. What about water for septic? Washing the electric golf carts? If you make enough to fill swimming pools, grow golf courses won't all the other plants die of dry air syndrome? These things could turn the whole Loreto area into a veritable desert.

Cypress - 7-10-2007 at 09:36 AM

Had one. Forgot to unplug it and was gone for two weeks, caused a major flood, had to evacuate the whole area. Was held responsible for causing a 100 yr. flood, am now a fugitive from justice, the..., :tumble:

gnukid - 7-10-2007 at 09:47 AM

I assume this system will take the municipal residential water and purify it. The costs associated with purifying the water for drinking, are the initial purchase, the costs of the electricity, uv lights replacement, and filters which must be changed or cleaned more often depending on the level of filtration. A .01 micron filter would become dirty and non functional more often than a .5 micron etc.

Though it should be noted that totally clean water is not a good thing either, people need some bacteria in their water order to function. I am sure we can find other sources of bacteria. Since I drink purified water in mexico, I take a sip from the faucet once in a while.

wilderone - 7-10-2007 at 10:07 AM

The 8 cents/gal. is calculated on the average cost of electricity in the US. You only need to plug it in. It takes humidity from the air to make the water (not a filtering device). One manufacturer recommends replacing the filter every 6 months, which I suspect is the more costlier "maintenance" item, and I didn't see any replacement filters for sale as a separate item. And availability of replacement filters and other parts would definitely be a major concern. There's a fan since the unit also creates heat when it's operating. One mfg. had an in-home model for $1395. Who knows what LB bought - maybe a larger one for some specific purpose. Optimum temperature/humidity conditions will contribute to greater production, e.g., 80F/75% humidity would be good, otherwise, production fluctuates from 7 gal.-20 gal. per day with an in-home model. There are many mfg., mostly from China, Singapore, Australia, and a few in the US. Waterpur is a public company, stock selling at 53 cents. All of the mfg. are looking for distributors, so is definitely an untested market, with limited field use, thus unproven in the long run, and likely more costly now in its infancy and as a prototype. Supposed to filter the air at the same time it takes humidity from the air. I like the idea, but will take years to catch on - like the flourescent light bulb.

El Jefe - 7-10-2007 at 12:34 PM

OK, let's see here. I pay about 6 cents per gallon for water delivered to our house by the pipa truck. Cheaper than the above, but I gotta rely on the wells in town and truck availability. Since we go through about 120 gallons per day for household and garden use I would have to line up about a half dozen of these units to produce the amount of water we would need. Heck, I could plumb them directly to our pila. We already have a filter and UV system to purify all water so I wouldn't have to replace the filters in the units. Uh oh, wonder how many amps they draw. The solar system would probably struggle to keep up. Maybe more batteries and panels would solve that. And boy oh boy would we have a nice low humidity home! Wouldn't need that AC system we have dreamed about. Gee, maybe they make an industrial strength one! I'll have to think more about this. All it takes is money, I guess.

Who the %$#& talks like that?

Dave - 7-10-2007 at 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SUNDOG
WaterPure Commences International Deployment of Atmospheric Water Generators

Commences International Deployment? :rolleyes:

Sharksbaja - 7-10-2007 at 02:10 PM

Assuming an average residence uses 125 gl per day. That would be 750,000 gals a day for 6000 units. Then add another estimated 500,000 gl a day for pools, jacuzzies, restaurants and other buildings and needs. So that's 1,250,000 gl a day not including the golf courses.
Let's see..... 4.5 gal a day per unit per day. That's only 277,777 units required. One filter change on all those would cost approx 7 million dollars at 25 bucks apiece.

Sounds good to me. :lol:

Gawd I love these clever people. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 7-10-2007 by Sharksbaja]

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Al G - 7-10-2007 at 02:22 PM

I am sure you can agree they needed something to B.S. the buyers and put a spin on the locals...what could be cheaper then this.
They never intend to use it anyway...just put the spin on.

Russ - 7-10-2007 at 02:46 PM

Al G has finally gotten to my first thought.

Don Alley - 7-10-2007 at 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Assuming an average residence uses 125 gl per day. That would be 750,000 gals a day for 6000 units. Then add another estimated 500,000 gl a day for pools, jacuzzies, restaurants and other buildings and needs. So that's 1,250,000 gl a day not including the golf courses.
Let's see..... 4.5 gal a day per unit per day. That's only 277,777 units required. One filter change on all those would cost approx 7 million dollars at 25 bucks apiece.

Sounds good to me. :lol:

Gawd I love these clever people. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 7-10-2007 by Sharksbaja]

Yesterday in Loreto...Humidity: High 53, Low 25, Average 43
Now someone can argue that it's not humid enough in Loreto in July. :lol:

wilderone - 7-10-2007 at 03:25 PM

This co. has several models, some v. large: http://www.airwatercorp.com/products.aspx
I got those temp/humidity figures from another company's chart, similar to Waterpur's. The highest output was based on high humidity, PLUS high temperature. Probably the LB folks will flee to cooler climes when it's hot.
"Who the %$#& talks like that?" A very small public company who wants to sell some stock.

flyfishinPam - 7-12-2007 at 05:01 PM

while this may work in summertime it will be unlikely to be a "solution" in the wintertime especially when the ouestes are blowing strong. we often have relative humidity below 10%.

In my shop I have nowhere to catch the water that is a side product form my mini split air conditioner so it collects in a bucket. I wash the floor with it so does that make us a sustainable business?

SERIOUS WATER FROM WIND

rob - 7-12-2007 at 05:04 PM

Here's a killer app . .. this won't work in Loreto, but it will sure work on our ranch on the Pacific (you need dependable breezes - which we sure have!).

This is industrial level stuff.

http://airwater.com.au/awproducts.htm

and

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21123007-...

I can see these working well in Baja - there are no more water rights available over here.

oldhippie - 7-12-2007 at 05:21 PM

Ah Loreto Bay is trying to make water from thin air.

Will the Flounder's Club members have an attachment that results in cheap Merlot?

Those bozos crack me up sometimes.

Let's make a "sustainable" village where there is not enough water to support it. - Good idea.

[Edited on 7-13-2007 by oldhippie]

rob - 7-13-2007 at 09:16 AM

Lencho - the thing that attracted me to the Australian solution was the fact that you don't NEED a wind generator - the wind drives the internal turbine not to produce power per se, but only to cool the condensation plates.

I was looking into wind generators for a desal plant on the ranch, but the whole project is very expensive, prone to corrosion and complicated.

The Aussies should have a full working prototype by year end, and I don't need too much of an excuse to try and get to see Perth again!

flyfishinPam - 7-13-2007 at 04:50 PM

From Lencho's link (4 posts up)

These are the machine specs listed that will give this product trouble if used in Loreto:

Ideal Working Conditions: 68-104 deg F, 20-40 C, 60-100% RH
Average Power Consumption: 0.1 - 0.4* kW h/L

* The actual Power Consumption will vary with temperature, R/H levels, and energy cost at time of operation.
ALL SPECIFICATIONS AND TECHNICAL DATA RELATING TO ALL AIR WATER MACHINES AND PRODUCTS AS LISTED ABOVE ARE BASED ON AVERAGE MEAN TEMPERATURES OF BETWEEN 68 - 104 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT (20 - 40 DEGREES CELSIUS), AND WITH RELATIVE HUMIDITY CONDITIONS OF BETWEEN 60-100%. SPECIFICATIONS ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. FINAL DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS WILL BE SUPPLIED AND CONFIRMED ON RECEIPT AND CONFIRMATION OF ORDER.

one thing I wonder frm this statement is that if power consumption will vary with energy cost at time of operation?? so if the power costs more will it consume more?? :lol:

These people writing this are not in complete understanding of thier system and or they thing we readers are idiots.

we seem to be having a relatively cool JUly and my best guess is that we haven't reached 60%RH yet. in late summer we'll reacy 60% alright but our high temperatures will exceed 104F. in the winter our temperatures won't go below 60F too often by day but they certainly do at night in the winter months. the big bummer is that in wintertime I rarely see the RH go above 40% and that is from mid october through mid june in other words most of the year my conclusion based on this is that this system would not work in Loreto throughout the year. Pacific side is another story and lots of parts in mainland Mexico (like whre my other land is) it sure would work well!

Now I'll take a look at the specs on that machine that will be deployed here. Geeze sounds like a war or something :lol:

[Edited on 7-13-2007 by flyfishinPam]

flyfishinPam - 7-13-2007 at 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Russ
What a cool thing! Hope it works well. Pam and the folks in Loreto are just going to love the propaganda though. see it here: http://www.waterpureinternational.com/products.html

[Edited on 7-10-2007 by Russ]

well I took a quick look at the waterpure site linked from this thread and all i can say is wow, think of te sound of one hand clapping. UUHH this is a HOME unit designed for a family, a family that can afford to run this kind of thing. Loreto is currently a town of about 17K persons but with the Loreto Bay buildout there will be an estimages 260.000 new bodies here to support the sustainable village. do you think all of them will have these in their homes? hell do you think all the homes will even have electricity? this is a laugh and I haven't even read the specs yet!

yeah I will enjoy the propaganda and I will enjoy it more when we call them on it and place the facts on the table. not all f us are brainless twits with too much money to keep track of! on myself I'm talking the money part :lol:

[Edited on 7-14-2007 by flyfishinPam]

flyfishinPam - 7-13-2007 at 05:36 PM

Quote:

Gawd I love these clever people. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 7-10-2007 by Sharksbaja]

I can't seem to copy that chart that sharks posted in the quote above but take a look at 30C and 80%RH the yield is 119 litres! they screwed up the chart results.

in summertime my family of five drinks and cooks with a little over a garrafon per day (19 litres) so that's about the yield that 86F and 80%RH will give you. my best guess is that washing/watering we use another 60-80 gallons. our washing water gets used to water plants on our land and we have very few non-native plants that require watering for lack of water. this thing can't meet my familie's needs and will definately not meet the consumption needs of a Loreto Bay home let alone a city of a quarter million persons!

From an ingenero at Loreto Bay, he tells me that most of the homes have a dunk pool and jacuzzi in addition to the drinkable water they will consume, washing water and watering water, how the hll will 5 gallons per day support even this?! my family ives in the desert and since we have water delivered we are very conservative with it and this thing couldn't even support our needs. what a complete joke :moon: howz dat for propoganda bashing?

from the ingenero maybe a bit jaded with the project there says "sustainability is sacrificing the needs of future generations while meeting the needs of the present"

[Edited on 7-14-2007 by flyfishinPam]

flyfishinPam - 7-13-2007 at 07:00 PM

KNow what? I dumped my 5 gallon bucket of water that catches the air conditioner water at 10am and now at almost 8pm it is full again. I'm using a samsung 10,000BTU mini split and not only do I get water of the quality I can wash my floors with and water the potted plants outside but I'm also getting a nice cool room :coolup:

Mexitron - 7-13-2007 at 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
I'm reporting these people to Al Gore & Co. I'm no chemist but it is obvious to me that if you take the water out of the air you will add greatly to Global Warming. Dry air cannot protect the earth from the sun's powerful gamma/slamma rays the same way wet air does. What about water for septic? Washing the electric golf carts? If you make enough to fill swimming pools, grow golf courses won't all the other plants die of dry air syndrome? These things could turn the whole Loreto area into a veritable desert.

Water is a greenhouse gas too...along with methane and others that don't make the news...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

flyfishinPam - 7-14-2007 at 07:30 PM

the A/C is in my shop but door closes and opens all the time when all those paying customers come in :bounce:

right now I don't have one at the house as I don't like A/C, gives me a cold. before in our old shop our A/C's were wall units and the water just dripped outside onto the sidewalk to evaporate. now we don't have a handy area for the waer to collect so I decided to use a bucket. had no idea how much water was going to be produced and have been joking that we could create water here in Loreto with our own air conditioners. my mini split cost only 5,000 pesos with factura (write off) its much less than one of the lower end units that waterpure has on its website, but I wouldn't want to run it in the wintertime, a heater is better then.

Don Alley - 7-15-2007 at 06:52 AM

Stay tuned for the latest from BigSky Sustainable industries, the company that will soon be unvieling the new Sustain 2000® cold fusion home power plant.

The Sahara® Air Treatment System. Similar in appearance to the familiar window mounted air conditioners, but with a "Twist®." Twist® one direction for cooling air in warm climates. Or, should it get a bit chilly, twist the unit around and it provides warm air! And with either setting, pure, clean condensed water is collected for use in watering plants, washing your llama or filling icy-cold water balloons! And for those trying to sustain their family budgets, it's affordable for four easy payments of $899!

Don Alley - 7-15-2007 at 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by Don AlleyThe Sahara® Air Treatment System. Similar in appearance to the familiar window mounted air conditioners, but with a "Twist®." Twist® one direction for cooling air in warm climates. Or, should it get a bit chilly, twist the unit around and it provides warm air! And with either setting, pure, clean condensed water is collected for use in watering plants, washing your llama or filling icy-cold water balloons! And for those trying to sustain their family budgets, it's affordable for four easy payments of $899!

Uhh, you DO realize you're pretty much describing a heat pump (existing old technology), right?

--Larry

Now don't get all technical on me. :lol:

Actually, I was describing a plain old window air conditioning unit, only it twists around, costs $3600 dollars but comes with a really nice brochure and a certificate good for enough carbon credits to be carbon neutral. :biggrin:

How much water?

Stickers - 7-15-2007 at 10:26 PM

Sorry I didn't read this thread but the device they are describing looks like it would yield about a quart a day of water at the cost of many kilowatt hrs. of electricity. Please correct me if I'm wrong. :yawn:

flyfishinPam - 7-16-2007 at 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Don Alley
Stay tuned for the latest from BigSky Sustainable industries, the company that will soon be unvieling the new Sustain 2000® cold fusion home power plant.

we get too many of these in town and they'll have to call next years tournament "Fission for the Mission"

backninedan - 7-16-2007 at 04:05 PM

Will they still need wrist bands???

Don Alley - 7-16-2007 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by backninedan
Will they still need wrist bands???

con fusion, si. :biggrin:

with fission, you're the 800lb gorilla and don't need anything.

I bought some wrist bands today for visitors who went out with us. The latest is that expats must have a copy of their FM3 or FM2 on board. No more honor system.

And I guess launching at the Loreto Marina is now considered recreating in the Marine Park, at least when they are ticked off. :lol:

backninedan - 7-16-2007 at 05:19 PM

Pam had warned me about the fm-3 copy, so we sealed some in plastic and put them with the twleve other things we need to launch, fishing license, boat permit, boat fishing permit, etc etc etc

I think you've got it, Pam....

neilmac - 7-17-2007 at 08:49 AM

This thing's just an A/C or dehumidifier unit, with some filtration and a UV purifier cobbled on.... the problem would be the power...

What do you think it costs to run that mini-split, Pam?

If using solar, and you need 8.6 KW... and if a 100 watt panel costs $500, that's $43,000 just in panels, and God knows how much more in batteries, inverters and charge controllers.... 86 panels, about 2'x5' each... you could roof a palapa! <G>

Neil

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfishinPam
KNow what? I dumped my 5 gallon bucket of water that catches the air conditioner water at 10am and now at almost 8pm it is full again. I'm using a samsung 10,000BTU mini split and not only do I get water of the quality I can wash my floors with and water the potted plants outside but I'm also getting a nice cool room :coolup:

flyfishinPam - 7-17-2007 at 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by neilmac
This thing's just an A/C or dehumidifier unit, with some filtration and a UV purifier cobbled on.... the problem would be the power...

What do you think it costs to run that mini-split, Pam?<G>

Neil

not sure of the cost just yet as it was installed last month right after I paid the electricity bill. I'll be finding out next month. hopefully its more efficient than the two wall units I used to run.

The Cost of Water

MrBillM - 7-17-2007 at 07:25 PM

They say that all things are relative and that is true when it comes to the price of water. I have no doubt that the upscale resorts will find a way to supply water whatever the cost may be. The richer you are, the less important the cost becomes.

Back in the early 90s, we were down in the BVIs on a charter sailing vacation. We happened on two occasions to be in Virgin Gorda Yacht Harbor on a Friday.

The wealthy (or would-be wealthy) Cuban expatriates who had relocated to Puerto Rico would make speed runs in their Sportfisher Power Yachts for a weekend in the BVIs. Their Boats reflected their place in the Food Chain. The biggest they could afford. Fresh Water was available at the Marina for 25 cents per gallon ($20 minimum). The first thing the "CubaRicans" would do upon arriving in their slips was start to wash down their boats with said water, many of them spending an hour or more getting that nasty Salt Stuff off of their Showboats. I've no idea what the cost is today, but I'd bet they're still washing those boats down.