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If you think Loreto Bay is bad check this out

Keri - 7-15-2007 at 10:07 AM

FADESA WILL BUILD THE LARGEST HOLIDAY RESORT IN THE COMPANY’S HISTORY IN MEXICO
La Coruña, 28th May 2007.- FADESA Group will build what will be its largest holiday resort in the Mexican State of Baja California Sur: Loreto Paraíso, a resort of considerable scope on the Sea of Cortez (Pacific Ocean), in which it will invest around 4,000 million Euros.

This project is unprecedented and shows FADESA’s firm commitment to Mexico as a country of vast possibilities for both holiday homes and first homes. The resort will be set in the town of Loreto, the oldest town in Baja California Sur, situated 350 km north of its capital, La Paz. It is a very exclusive area of natural beaches and rugged cliffs, regarded as a paradise for diving, fishing, whale watching and snorkelling enthusiasts.

The residential area of Loreto Paraíso will contain approximately 6,500 homes, including apartments and semi-detached, terraced and detached villas. The hotel accommodation will be characterized by its wide variety, offering more than 7,000 rooms in luxury hotels, upper-upscale hotels, boutique hotels, as well as fractional property, time-shares and condo hotels. The resort will also have four golf courses, which will be designed by the greatest names in this sport, a marina, large leisure and entertainment areas, services area, as well as a significant ecological conservation area.

This holiday resort will also offer state-of-the-art services and is designed in line with sustainability criteria and a perfect integration with the landscape and the environment. Loreto Paraíso is a very ambitious project aimed at the luxury market of mainly North Americans and Canadians, known as snowbirds: people with high spending power looking for a second home in order to spend the winter months in warmer climates.

Labels: Boat Charters in Loreto, Fadesa in Loreto

woody with a view - 7-15-2007 at 10:22 AM

:barf:

I don't think so

Dave - 7-15-2007 at 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Keri
it will invest around 4,000 million Euros.

That's over 5 billion U.S.

capn.sharky - 7-15-2007 at 10:24 AM

Now I am really depressed. Where the hell will the water come from? What group supports this. Is this an Arab project? What can Fonatur be thinking of? The Mexicans will be forced out of Loreto just as they have been in Cabo by the "people with high spending power". This just SUCKS!!!! :fire:

Baja&Back - 7-15-2007 at 10:26 AM

Guess they too are going to conjure up water for 6000 homes, 7000 hotel rooms & 4 golf courses out of thin air! :?:

[Edited on 7-15-2007 by Baja&Back]

Baja&Back - 7-15-2007 at 10:37 AM

We shouldn't lose sight of what has allowed all these mile of beachfront mega projects announced the last 2 years:

Good ol' Mexican government, trying to be "politically correct", issued official paper titles to all Ejido lands in the country without thinking that the ejidos would instantly sell off their beachfront for millions.

Wouldn't you, if your family had been scraping by since 1920?

[Edited on 7-15-2007 by Baja&Back]

Hopefully all the golf courses will be along the beach

The Gull - 7-15-2007 at 10:41 AM

baja sur - 7-15-2007 at 11:07 AM

Baja&Back ,

Interesting theory !

New Business for Loreto

bajaguy - 7-15-2007 at 11:16 AM

I think a water truck business would do well. hauling water to all of the new houses!!!

DENNIS - 7-15-2007 at 11:29 AM

Those golf courses will have to use Astro Turf.

Cypress - 7-15-2007 at 11:34 AM

Loreto is a real neat town. :yes:

They ought to let it grow at a slower pace.

Everything seems to be on the fast tract these days.

Either step on the gas or get out of the way.

By the time you've bought into your piece of paradice it's morphed into a subdivision.

oldhippie - 7-15-2007 at 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Keri
it will invest around 4,000 million Euros.

That's over 5 billion U.S.

All the press releases say the same thing and this too:

Fadesa Commits $5bn to New Mexican Resort
Spanish real estate developer Fadesa Inmobiliaria is to invest $5.4bn in building a resort in Loreto, in the Mexican state of Baja California Sur. Loreto Paraíso, as the complex is to be called, will be the fourth project by Fadesa in Mexico.

http://tinyurl.com/2uukv9

6500 houses and 7000 hotel rooms.

http://tinyurl.com/2rrgsm

bye bye to one of the best areas in BCS

as to the water, first they'll drain the aquifers, then they'll change sea water into drinking water (would you like a room with or without water?, with water is an additional $100 per person) and then they'll wring water out of the dry desert air.

Buy you know, 4 golf courses, that's worth it all.

I wonder when the Loreto developers are going to say they are going to float icebergs from the poles for fresh water. I know that's coming up next

bajajudy - 7-15-2007 at 11:52 AM

Jeez Louise, these guys make Puerto Los Cabos look like wannabees.
Ouch :barf:

Paula - 7-15-2007 at 12:19 PM

According to various news sources and rumor mills, This area has Loreto Bay in process and scheduled development of San Bruno (Loreto Paraiso), Golden Beach (south of Puerto Escondido), and the Villas Group about to start at Playa Ensenada Blanca. None of theese are on a modest scaleby any means.

I just don't get it. There's no water. The beaches are less than idyllic. The wind blows all winter and it's chilly (cold!) most of the time. The summer is hot and humid. Sometimes I wonder why we even LIVE here!!!! (just kidding). But anyone looking for the lifestyle they're selling is likely to be disappointed with what they get.

So all of this gets underway-- where are the buyers going to come from?

vandenberg - 7-15-2007 at 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Paula

I just don't get it. There's no water. The beaches are less than idyllic. The wind blows all winter and it's chilly (cold!) most of the time. The summer is hot and humid. Sometimes I wonder why we even LIVE here!!!! (just kidding). But anyone looking for the lifestyle they're selling is likely to be disappointed with what they get.

So all of this gets underway-- where are the buyers going to come from?

Paula, Build it and they'll come, remember.
Beats sitting in 4 ft of snow or, talking about hot and humid, being in Florida for that matter. Probably the most miserable place in the US of A. And look at the people flocking there. :?:

Cypress - 7-15-2007 at 12:49 PM

Paula, It's all about the airport. Easy come, easy go. :biggrin:

Zoom in and zoom out. Jump in a cab and go down town. Rooms to rent and real nice people. :biggrin:

The airport!!!

bacquito - 7-15-2007 at 03:09 PM

FADESA WILL BUILD THE LARGEST HOLIDAY RESORT IN THE COMPANY’S HISTORY IN MEXICO
La Coruña, 28th May 2007.- FADESA Group will build what will be its largest holiday resort in the Mexican State of Baja California Sur: Loreto Paraíso, a resort of considerable scope on the Sea of Cortez (Pacific Ocean), in which it will invest around 4,000 million Euros.

Is this going to bo on the Pacific Ocean side or Sea of Cortez??

jeans - 7-15-2007 at 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by bacquito
FADESA WILL BUILD THE LARGEST HOLIDAY RESORT IN THE COMPANY’S HISTORY IN MEXICO
La Coruña, 28th May 2007.- FADESA Group will build what will be its largest holiday resort in the Mexican State of Baja California Sur: Loreto Paraíso, a resort of considerable scope on the Sea of Cortez (Pacific Ocean), in which it will invest around 4,000 million Euros.

Is this going to bo on the Pacific Ocean side or Sea of Cortez??

Loreto is on the Sea of Cortez. I believe the use of the words "Pacific Ocean" in this press release is to denote that this project is on the Pacific Ocean side of Mexico as opposed to the Caribbean/Gulf of Mexico side.

Just my dos centavos....

[Edited on 7-15-2007 by jeans]

Jeans,

Keri - 7-15-2007 at 03:30 PM

I don't think the press writer knows the difference.LOL,k

bajamigo - 7-15-2007 at 03:58 PM

The development sounds big enough to reach the Pacific from the Gulf of California. Maybe the writer got it right.

rts551 - 7-15-2007 at 04:55 PM

Hey, where did all the pro development/"progress" guys go that were posting on the other thread. I would like to hear your perspective as well here

The Facts of Life !

MrBillM - 7-15-2007 at 05:11 PM

It's not a matter of pro/con development. It is simply a fact of life that the "Idyllic" areas are going to be gobbled up by development at an ever increasing pace. I understand how people who have come to live there dislike what they see coming, but they had to know that it would some day. Accept the inevitable or move on.

BTW, the "Gulf" of California is a part of the Pacific Ocean.

"They say that evil prevails when good men fail to act. What they should say is simply that EVIL PREVAILS".

From "The Lord of War".

flyfishinPam - 7-15-2007 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Baja&Back
Good ol' Mexican government, trying to be "politically correct", issued official paper titles to all Ejido lands in the country without thinking that the ejidos would instantly sell off their beachfront for millions.

Wouldn't you, if your family had been scraping by since 1920?

[Edited on 7-15-2007 by Baja&Back]

NO, the government knew damn well the ejido would sell out. We all ought to review Mexican history and what started the Mexican revolution. Seems its repeating itself.

flyfishinPam - 7-15-2007 at 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by oldhippie

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Keri
it will invest around 4,000 million Euros.

That's over 5 billion U.S.

C'mon do ya really think this one will pan out? They have so many projects going all at once and 5 BILLION big ones? sounds like they're bragging or exaggerating and we know Spanish never do that! just in case though, I own loretoparaiso.net and loretoparadise.com the other obvious ones were already taken :dudette:

jerry - 7-15-2007 at 07:03 PM

there ya go Pam enterprize it :yes:

bajagrouper - 7-16-2007 at 07:01 AM

I happen to have a place on mainland Mexico north of Puerto Vallarta about 20 miles north of this companies project called Litibu, they just came in bulldozed all the jungle, built these giant white gates and are working on the Greg Norman golf coarse now...million dollar condos and yacht harbor...at least we have water over here, it makes me sad to see what is becoming of my beautiful Baja...

wilderone - 7-16-2007 at 08:35 AM

"This holiday resort will also offer state-of-the-art services and is designed in line with sustainability criteria and a perfect integration with the landscape and the environment."
where have I heard that before? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

surfer jim - 7-16-2007 at 08:52 AM

I'm in...who do I send my deposit to?...... :yes:

oldhippie - 7-16-2007 at 09:25 AM

I just put this post on another thread, it should have been posted here. It's probably best to debate the development of this area in its aggregate instead of one development at a time. There's so many of them.

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Of course, development of a desirable place is inevitable. However, what is being talked about is the OVER development that will lead to changing a desirable place into a undesirable place, even for the resort town, let's get drunk and screw crowd.

So, let's change the argument from "no development vs. development" to "a good development plan vs. a bad development plan." A good plan is one that fits environmental constraints and a bad plan is one that doesn't.

The major environmental constraint in the Bahia Concepcion area and points north and south is the lack of fresh water. Another, if you wish to impose it, is the pollution of the gulf and surrounding countryside.

Has anyone totalled up the number of hotel rooms, houses, and golf courses that are planned between Puerto Escondido and Santa Rosalia?

Here's a start

Loreto Bay - 6000 houses, ?? hotel rooms, 2 golf courses

Fadesa - 6500 houses, 7000 hotel rooms, 4 golf courses

Estero Santa Barbara - ?? houses, ?? hotel rooms, 1 golf course

???

It is advantageous to folks on both sides of this debate to understand what's happening. If we ignore what's going on what will probably happen is something that nobody likes except the land developers and speculators who take their profits and move on, leaving a mess behind.

jerry - 7-16-2007 at 02:11 PM

hea what happened to the rest of my post??

capn.sharky - 7-16-2007 at 04:33 PM

Could it be the magic word here is "Pyramid"? Only good this about this (and other projects) is if they are built halfway decent, they should put Loreto Nay out of business. Hogans went out years ago.

tripledigitken - 7-16-2007 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by capn.sharky
Could it be the magic word here is "Pyramid"? Only good this about this (and other projects) is if they are built halfway decent, they should put Loreto Nay out of business. Hogans went out years ago.

Capt Sharky,

As an aside........Believe it or not Hogans are making a comeback. I spent 2 days recently on the Navajo Reservation and many Hogans are being built next to their existing homes.

Ken

[Edited on 7-16-2007 by tripledigitken]

wilderone - 7-17-2007 at 08:26 AM

The Navajo summer homes, hogans, sweat houses and smoke houses have never been absent from their lifestyle. Especially after the Bur. of Indian Affairs built all those concrete block houses for them -- which equated to ovens -- by necessity, they needed their traditional summer houses built of green, leafy limbs as walls, providing shade and cooling as the moisture evaporates.

tripledigitken - 7-17-2007 at 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
The Navajo summer homes, hogans, sweat houses and smoke houses have never been absent from their lifestyle. Especially after the Bur. of Indian Affairs built all those concrete block houses for them -- which equated to ovens -- by necessity, they needed their traditional summer houses built of green, leafy limbs as walls, providing shade and cooling as the moisture evaporates.

Youre absolutely right. Given the choice in summer I would opt for the Hogan also. What I saw this last trip was some being constructed with modern techniques, frame studded walls and shingle roofs. Old ways with new technology.

Ken