BajaNomad - Fencing Defense

Fencing Defense

MrBillM - 7-16-2007 at 12:57 PM

The "Open Borders" Crowd continually voices the canard that the people coming across our Southern Border are simply good people looking for work that Americans won't do and that the terrorists aren't coming into the U.S. through Mexico.

Notwithstanding that there is no way to know whether terrorists are coming across the Mexican border until after the fact and that the prison inmate population is up to 25 % illegal aliens, statistics quoted today in the news media indicate that there is a significant possibility that the porous border is an open invitation to said terrorists.

The last quarter for which statistics have been reported indicate that there were more than 43.000 apprehensions of OTMs and that 40 % of those came from "Countries of Concern" such as Syria and other Middle-Eastern Locales.

toneart - 7-16-2007 at 01:14 PM

OK, MrBill. Thanks for the heads up. I am building a towering wall of fear around my personal residence. Oh, and I am feeding the gators in my moat as fast as I can, but they just aren't growing. I guess they won't get bigger until the Syrian mojadas go for a swim. OOps...there's one now>>>>>>:moon:

Living in FEAR ?

MrBillM - 7-16-2007 at 01:28 PM

I suppose that I could take those remarks at face value and assume that the toneart is obsessively Paranoid, but I am assuming that it is a sarcastic retort.

However, the logical extension of the thinking behind that retort would be to consider anyone who LOCK their doors at night (or day) are living in fear.

It's ALL about fear

Dave - 7-16-2007 at 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
the logical extension of the thinking behind that retort would be to consider anyone who LOCK their doors at night (or day) are living in fear.

I grew up in a small midwestern town. We never locked our doors or windows. It wasn't until my dad died that my mother started latching the screen door...Mostly because I insisted.

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 02:36 PM

Sad Sad Sad.......

Where's the fence?
More fence or more Minutemen.........Maybe both. Why arn't people screaming for border control?
Probably because America has no self respect. We are a selfish people who couldn't care less about the team. Only our individual lives.

Sad Sad Sad

oldhippie - 7-16-2007 at 02:47 PM

I think there is more border control now than before and it is increasing at a steady rate. The bigger problem is that the number of people in the world that hate the US (mostly Muslim) is increasing faster than our attempts to control the border and keep them out. Why is that? It must be possible to accomplish our objectives without counterproductively fostering hate.

"We are a selfish people who couldn't care less about the team. Only our individual lives. "

Very nice social democratic argument. I like it.

rpleger - 7-16-2007 at 03:09 PM

"Whoever can scare people enough (produce bio-survival anxiety) can
sell them quickly on any verbal map that seems to give them relief,
i.e. cure the anxiety. By frightening people with Hell and then
offering them Salvation, the most ignorant or crooked individuals
can "sell" a whole system of thought that cannot bear two minutes of
rational analysis. And any domesticated primate alpha male, however
cruel or crooked, can rally the primate tribe behind him by howling
that a rival alpha male is about to lead his gang in an attack on
this habitat. These two mammalian reflexes are known, respectively,
as Religion and Patriotism. They work for domesticated primates, as
for the wild primates, because they are Evolutionary Relative
Successes. (So far.)"

- Robert Anton Wilson, in 'Prometheus Rising', 1983

How's that work?

Dave - 7-16-2007 at 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Probably because America has no self respect. We are a selfish people who couldn't care less about the team. Only our individual lives.

Countries have self-respect?

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 03:14 PM

You know what I mean.

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 03:16 PM

I mean, it was easier than typing 300 million names here.

So, you were serious there?

Dave - 7-16-2007 at 03:19 PM

Cause, if so, I'll have to argue the point.

It's my impression that selfish people build walls. I don't see the American people as selfish...

Just fish.

oldhippie - 7-16-2007 at 03:20 PM

Especially those millions of hard to spell hispanic and arab names.

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 03:32 PM

Protective people build walls.
Selfish people don't concern themselves with issues which affect the well-being of their entire environment. Only what affects their little, personal private, isolationist lives. They leave maintenance of the social structure to others and choose to believe it isn't their responsibility.

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by oldhippie
Especially those millions of hard to spell hispanic and arab names.

I have spill chick.

Locking the Doors

MrBillM - 7-16-2007 at 03:36 PM

When I was a young kid living next door to Watts, we usually kept our doors unlocked, but that was a long time ago and those days aren't coming back.

Living in a pretty decent L.A. neighborhood in the late 60s, I woke up one night to an odd sound coming from somewhere outside. I picked up my .38 Special from the Bedstand and walked into the kitchen to find that someone was trying to pry open the back door. I quietly sat down at the kitchen table and waited to see if the person would be "successful". He (She ?) finally gave up and went away. Too bad. I ended up with a bunch of screwdriver gouges on the door frame and nothing to show for it.

It's probably just as well, though. It was likely just an immigrant looking for a job that nobody else wanted.

"Trust, but Verify" Ronald Wilson Reagan

Cypress - 7-16-2007 at 03:37 PM

Living in fear? Are you living in fear when you buy insurance? When you lock your vehicle? :?:

Maybe you're being smart. :bounce:

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM

"Trust, but Verify" Ronald Wilson Reagan

His way of saying, "Don't trust anybody till you know for sure."

vgabndo - 7-16-2007 at 04:41 PM

As so artfully stated in the Wilson quote above, a very large part of the reason for fear is the fact that two huge groups of people on the planet have decided that the other's religion is invalid, and thus the believers have no right to live. In a hideous bit of irony they both worship the same god.

This Californian STILL has no reason to lock his doors except perhaps for protection from the all too common door to door religion salesmen.

We NEED fences and locks. Don't we all teach children to lock their toy boxes to be sure they don't have to share their toys?

Don Alley - 7-16-2007 at 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Living in fear? Are you living in fear when you buy insurance? When you lock your vehicle? :?:

Maybe you're being smart. :bounce:

With what I pay for insurance I think I must be living in terror!

The escalating rates passed "fear" some time ago, and it's been years since the rates passed "being smart." :biggrin:

DENNIS - 7-16-2007 at 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vgabndo

We NEED fences and locks. Don't we all teach children to lock their toy boxes to be sure they don't have to share their toys?

No, we don't. We tell them to lock things so they won't lose them. So they can have control. So they can be theirs, now and always.
Do you teach your kids to drag their toybox out to the curb, open it up and have no regrets the next morning when it's empty?
I doubt that you do.

WHERE'S THE FENCE?

woody with a view - 7-16-2007 at 05:31 PM

if you don't think a fence is "friendly" enuff to invite EVERYONE, then why don't we save the $ and put a marine with a loaded rifle and a full ammo box every 100 yards along both borders? give them orders to shoot. just like on mexico's southern border.....

what's so hard to understand? when mexico opens it's borders and makes everyone EQUAL to a mexican citizen, then let's talk.

commence firing!

bajaguy - 7-16-2007 at 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
what's so hard to understand? when mexico opens it's borders and makes everyone EQUAL to a mexican citizen, then let's talk.

maybe we should institute the same requirements that Mexico is asking from us (when we apply for an FM-2 or an FM-3) for Mexican nationals being in our country....????

[Edited on 7-17-2007 by bajaguy]

toneart - 7-16-2007 at 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rpleger
"Whoever can scare people enough (produce bio-survival anxiety) can
sell them quickly on any verbal map that seems to give them relief,
i.e. cure the anxiety. By frightening people with Hell and then
offering them Salvation, the most ignorant or crooked individuals
can "sell" a whole system of thought that cannot bear two minutes of
rational analysis. And any domesticated primate alpha male, however
cruel or crooked, can rally the primate tribe behind him by howling
that a rival alpha male is about to lead his gang in an attack on
this habitat. These two mammalian reflexes are known, respectively,
as Religion and Patriotism. They work for domesticated primates, as
for the wild primates, because they are Evolutionary Relative
Successes. (So far.)"

- Robert Anton Wilson, in 'Prometheus Rising', 1983

I am offended.............
Some of my favorite people are Zealots and Fascists! They are all so f***withable.....and they are fun to poke sticks at through their cage bars. Oh, and I like monkeys too.

[Edited on 7-17-2007 by toneart]