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Something else to add to the Border mix

Al G - 7-31-2007 at 07:29 AM

> MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico called on the United States to alter a plan to expand border
> fences designed to stem illegal immigration, saying the barriers would threaten migratory
> species accustomed to roaming freely across the frontier.
> Ways of minimizing environmental damage from the fences could include the creation of
> cross-border bridge areas so that ecosystems remain connected and "green corridors" of
> wilderness without roads that would be less attractive to smugglers, according to a report
> released Monday and prepared for the Mexican government by experts and activists from
> both nations.
>
> The report also suggested "live" fences of cactuses, removable fencing, and more
> permeable barriers to allow water, insects and pollen to cross the border. Ecologists say
> among the species affected would be Mexican jaguars and black bears, and the
> endangered, antelope-like Sonora Pronghorn.
>
> On Monday, Mexico's Environment Department said the proposed fences would seriously
> hurt species that cross the 1,952-mile border and that the United States needs to alter or
> mitigate the barriers where necessary.
>
> "The eventual construction of this barrier would place at risk the various ecosystems that
> we share," said Environment Secretary Juan Rafael Elvira, noting that the border is not just
> desert, but includes mountains, rivers and wetlands.
>
> Mexico also wants Washington to expand its environmental impact study on the fences
> and will file a complaint with the United Nations' International Court of Justice in the
> Hague, Netherlands if necessary.
>
> The proposed fencing includes at least 370 miles of vehicle barriers and metal walls
> supplemented by "virtual" barriers of sensors, mobile towers packed with sophisticated
> cameras, strong lights, radars and sensors and other technology.
>
> The environmental report said the fences could isolate border animals into smaller
> population groups, affecting their genetic diversity. The strong lights and radar could
> interfere with nocturnal species, and the construction and traffic along the walls could
> affect a wider strip of border land than just the fences themselves, activists say.
>
> Environmentalists say construction of the fencing could wipe out endangered species like
> the Sonoran Pronghorn — of which only about 100 still exist — in the coming years.
>
> Exequiel Ezcurra, director of research at the San Diego Natural History Museum, said the
> pronghorns are used to moving across the border in search of scarce grassland.
>
> The pronghorn "is without doubt the species in the most desperate situation, the number
> one victim of all the tension and movement on the border," Ezcurra said.
>

CaboRon - 7-31-2007 at 07:59 AM

A very reasonable assesment of the situation from an ecological viewpoint, which I happen to share. - CaboRon

Living Barriers

MrBillM - 7-31-2007 at 10:43 AM

How about a few Million "Cholla" ?

toneart - 7-31-2007 at 11:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
How about a few Million "Cholla" ?


During the early '80s I lived in Santa Fe, NM. There was an alternative newspaper there with free and wide distribution in paper racks all around the area.

On the cover of one issue was a person on a horse, leaning sideways, Polo style, and appearing to grab a Cholla. The headline read, "Cholla grabbing contest" Of course it was a spoof, but it was a good piece of satire, with a set of rules, deadlines, etc. Well, the response was considerable. Many people took it seriously and ended up in the ER with a rather painful situation.

Do you think Homeland Security and The Border Patrol could institute a program of this sort along the border? Better yet, maybe the Minutemen could plant, develop the contest and rules, and officiate. That would save all of us taxpayers a lot of money. MrBillM's idea is a start. :bounce::O

DENNIS - 7-31-2007 at 11:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Al G
Mexico called on the United States to alter a plan to expand border
> fences designed to stem illegal immigration, saying the barriers would threaten migratory
> species accustomed to roaming freely across the frontier.

This has to be the best part.

Cypress - 7-31-2007 at 11:42 AM

In the spirit of cooperation, the transborder species could be given a helping hand.:bounce: There's not that many of 'em.:yes:

DENNIS - 7-31-2007 at 12:12 PM

Right. What was the last count? 10 or 11 million?

Liberal Wisdom

MrBillM - 7-31-2007 at 08:15 PM

That Sagacious Seer of Sensibility, the REV Al (Tawana) Sharpton was asked tonight if he supported securing the border and he replied that he was in favor of Border Security as long as it was not discriminatory. We should build the same border structures on the Canadian border as we do on the Mexican Border to prove that we are as worried about the Whites crossing the border illegally as we are the Mexicans and Haitians.

When challenged by O'Reilly "There have been 12 million crossing the southern border and about 4 guys trying to cross from Canada, he said "Well, what's important Bill, the numbers or the LAW" ?

The NUMBERS, marooon.

BTW, for those foaming rabid haters of Fox News, O'Reilly mentioned a stat that has to break your hearts. The 4 a.m. rerun of "The O'Reilly Factor" draws more viewers than ANY other Cable News program at any hour of the day or night.

bancoduo - 8-2-2007 at 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Al G
Mexico called on the United States to alter a plan to expand border
> fences designed to stem illegal immigration, saying the barriers would threaten migratory
> species accustomed to roaming freely across the frontier.

This has to be the best part.
We must protect all the PRONGHORN mexicans hanging at Home Depot:lol:

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 04:23 PM

Who's O'Reilly?

DENNIS - 8-2-2007 at 04:33 PM

NO NO NO ............. You're supposed to say, "Oh'Really?"

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 04:35 PM

Oh really?

DENNIS - 8-2-2007 at 04:36 PM

Really.

Eat Your Hearts OUT !

MrBillM - 8-2-2007 at 07:33 PM

As you undoubtedly know, but wish somehow it wasn't true, ?The O'Reilly Factor? is the highest rated news program on Cable (and Satellite) TV. His audience is higher than ALL of his competitors COMBINED.

Personally, he isn't my favorite, but he is good. A little too Liberal on many things, though. I prefer John Gibson , Neil Cavuto and Brit Hume, in that order.

REALLY !

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 07:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
As you undoubtedly know, but wish somehow it wasn't true, ?The O'Reilly Factor? is the highest rated news program on Cable (and Satellite) TV. His audience is higher than ALL of his competitors COMBINED.
REALLY !


Doh! - Something similar could be said about the Simpsons.

I think it's great that the red speckled gnat catcher could stop The Wall.

hahahaha - these are amusing times.

Bart or Bill ?

MrBillM - 8-3-2007 at 05:45 PM

I'll have to allow someone else more qualified to assess the "Simpsons". Having never watched the show and never intending to, I'll leave the Cartoon shows to the Liberals who are more qualified to relate on that level.

I remember people from my Beach days who watched cartoons while they smoked the Marijuana. Perhaps that's still the case with today's Aged Hippies.

DENNIS - 8-3-2007 at 05:48 PM

Good one, MrBill.........

Don't ever let humor or fun interfer with your life plan.

toneart - 8-3-2007 at 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Good one, MrBill.........

Don't ever let humor or fun interfer with your life plan.


Really!:bounce:

Stickers - 8-6-2007 at 12:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
BTW, for those foaming rabid haters of Fox News, O'Reilly mentioned a stat that has to break your hearts. The 4 a.m. rerun of "The O'Reilly Factor" draws more viewers than ANY other Cable News program at any hour of the day or night.


Did O'Rilley mention the statistics on the I.Q. of those watching the Factor. They are the lowest of all the shows. The viewers of Faux News also rate the lowest intelligence of all other news shows and I guess that's why they don't realize they are not watching a news show.

Slowmad - 8-6-2007 at 12:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
BTW, for those foaming rabid haters of Fox News, O'Reilly mentioned a stat that has to break your hearts. The 4 a.m. rerun of "The O'Reilly Factor" draws more viewers than ANY other Cable News program at any hour of the day or night.


...and the Star and National Enquiror outpace the Economist and The New Yorker by 132 to 1!

The lower the bar, the higher the numbers.

LMAO at "the Aruba channel."

DENNIS - 8-6-2007 at 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Slowmad

...and the Star and National Enquiror outpace the Economist and The New Yorker by 132 to 1!

The lower the bar, the higher the numbers.


And toilet paper outsells the National Enquirer by hundreds of square miles, bar lowered, of course.

Slowmad - 8-6-2007 at 12:43 PM

Murdoch's working on the TP market too!;D

The Witless Audience

MrBillM - 8-6-2007 at 01:46 PM

From what I've witnessed on this forum, the rabid semi-literates seem to be the most vociferous of the Fox haters.

Given the penchant for the Lefty Loons to make up their own statistics, Feel free to publish any valid statistical studies you have reference to regarding the intelligence levels of the Fox viewership vis-a-vis their competition i.e. MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC.

Otherwise, we'll assume it's just another "Special Ed" Lefty Lie.

oldhippie - 8-6-2007 at 02:20 PM

Mr. Bill, try reading for information. I read The Atlantic in addition to Newsweek. Also pick a Sunday newspaper. If you want TV news, the PBS Newshour does the best job of objective reporting and has the best guest interviews.

It's a matter of taste I guess. Like I think Lou Doobs is the absolute bottom of the barrel. Sludge.

DENNIS - 8-6-2007 at 02:57 PM

Lou Dobbs can be a bit hyperbolic at times but, on the border issue, he speaks for me.
I disagree with him on the border agent issue.

Give'em hell, Lou.

Reading ?

MrBillM - 8-6-2007 at 06:04 PM

Typical of the Elitist Left who assume that they are the only educated class, Hippie asserts without any knowledge to base it on, that MY (and, no doubt, all Conservatives) have only Fox News to inform us.

I'll wager that I have, and do, read far more than the majority of the Goatheads on the Left. I believe that the ONLY way to get ALL of the facts on a current story is to read that information in the newspaper. Even the Los Angeles People's Daily World (otherwise known as the LA Times).

I was probably the only person I knew in High School that started the day with the Los Angeles Examiner and the first thing I read was the Editorial page. After school, it was the Los Angeles Mirror. Westbrook Van Pegler (one of the good guys), Drew Pearson and, later his protege, Jack Anderson (two of the Bad Guys). Weeknights, I would stay up for Joe Pyne and Tom Duggan. Sunday TV was Meet the Press and Dan Smoot. In 1960, as a High School Sophomore, I worked after school in Inglewood at the Nixon Campaign Headquarters, walking door to door handing out campaign literature.

I have been deeply immersed in the political scene for my entire adult life and have read and regurgitated over the pernicious pablum peddled by the dishonest dregs representing the left for over Fifty years.

During that time, I thought that the only thing wrong with the Hippies killing themselves with drugs, was that they were doing such a poor job of it. With age, my views have moderated somewhat, but I still detest that kind of person.

"We have met the enemy and he is the Left".

woody with a view - 8-6-2007 at 06:08 PM

Quote:

I was probably the only person I knew in High School that started the day with the Los Angeles Examiner and the first thing I read was the Editorial page.


i start every morning with a 5-10 minute "grumpy" as i read the SD Union editorial page. then if i'm really full of it i'll scan the sports.

does this count?

edit: i'm WAAAAY past high school, though.

[Edited on 8-7-2007 by woody in ob]

[Edited on 8-7-2007 by woody in ob]

toneart - 8-6-2007 at 08:28 PM

New Bircher book:

My Assault is Insult

Subtitle: Trolling With Hate:yawn:

oldhippie - 8-7-2007 at 06:37 AM

MrBill,

I have to admit I wanted to provoke you, what's that called, trolling? Except I was after a specific fish. Do you watch the PBS Newshour or do you dismiss it because the network has the word "Public" in its name and it's non-commercial. Smacks of socialism doesn't it?

"I have been deeply immersed in the political scene for my entire adult life and have read and regurgitated over the pernicious pablum peddled by the dishonest dregs representing the left for over Fifty years."

So you're a masochist too?

Like I've said before, boundary conditions are needed to frame reality. Thanks for doing it so well.

Your hippie friend. ;D

Russ - 8-7-2007 at 06:49 AM

hyperbolic |ˌhīpərˈbälik|
adjective
1 of or relating to a hyperbola.
• Mathematics (of a function, e.g., a cosine) having the same relation to a rectangular hyperbola as the unqualified function does to a circle.
2 (of language) exaggerated; hyperbolical.

PBS PAP

MrBillM - 8-7-2007 at 08:59 AM

Actually, back in the "C" Band days when my choices in Baja were somewhat limited, I did watch the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour every weekday. As with the Los Angeles Times, it is always a good idea to keep track of what the enemy is disseminating. I still watch PBS quite a bit, though less for news. Needless to say, I support removing the "public" money from PBS, which probably has the most-leftward slant of any major news services.

Speaking of that sometimes subtle slant, I read a lead Editorial in the L.A. Times last week on the same day that the Riverside Press-Enterprise led with an editorial on the same subject. You would have thought the two were discussing two different programs. What the Times thought was over-reaching and an intrusion into individual Civil Rights, the P-E considered too tentative an approach that would not resolve needed deficiencies.

The Eye of the Beholder.

Toneart's contribution to the dialogue regurgitates that old boogeyman, "The John Birch Society". Are they still around ? I'm not aware of hearing a thing about them except from Lefties who drag them out for scare purposes. They are another group who can probably hold their meetings in a protable toilet without being crowded. Better them than the "McCarthyites", I guess. They're from a somewhat more recent past. The Libs should be thankful for both. Without them, I guess they'd be waving the specter of something Herbert Hoover said.

"Looking hopefully forward to the day that the few Liberals left around are kept in museums with the Dinosaurs and other artifacts of an ancient time".

BTW, I'm still waiting for the above "Usual Suspects" to provide the Annotated Statistical Studies done by a known reputable polling organization which relates the relative Intelligence Levels of Broadcast and Cable News Viewership.

[Edited on 8-7-2007 by MrBillM]

Stickers - 8-7-2007 at 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM

BTW, I'm still waiting for the above "Usual Suspects" to provide the Annotated Statistical Studies done by a known reputable polling organization which relates the relative Intelligence Levels of Broadcast and Cable News Viewership.

[Edited on 8-7-2007 by MrBillM]


A quick Google search


SURVEY: Fox News Viewers Rank Lowest
A new study by the Pew Research Study shows that viewers of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report have the highest knowledge of national and international affairs, while Fox News viewers rank nearly dead last:

Despite significant technology shifts, however, Pew found that “today’s citizens are about as able to name their leaders, and are about as aware of major news events, as was the public nearly 20 years ago.”
The results about Fox News echo findings of previous surveys. In 2003, University of Maryland researchers studied the public’s belief in three false claims — that Iraq possessed WMD, that Iraq was involved in 9/11, and that there was international support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
The researchers stated, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions.” Fox News viewers were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions.”

toneart - 8-7-2007 at 12:55 PM

Sure, why not?

"We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land. The poorhouse is vanishing from among us."--Herbert Hoover, 1928

:lol::lol::lol:

Eight months later the stock market crashed and The Great Depression Began.

Sticky Thinking

MrBillM - 8-7-2007 at 12:56 PM

Sticky's lack of reading comprehension is evident in his defense of his original premise:

"Did O'Rilley mention the statistics on the I.Q. of those watching the Factor. They are the lowest of all the shows. The viewers of Faux News also rate the lowest intelligence of all other news shows and I guess that's why they don't realize they are not watching a news show."


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Any survey which rated superior the knowledge of viewers who got their news from two Comedy Central Satires would be instantly suspect, but, in fact the blurb cited by Sticky doesn't even make that case.

The purported results say NOTHING regarding the IQ of the audiences. Rather, they purport to draw conclusions regarding the level of knowledge of current events based upon questions and interpretations by the poller. You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Many Highly-Educated and Intelligent people hold bizarre and suspect views of events. Just one such person among the left Wingnut crowd would be The (now) unemployed Ward Churchill. There are numerous other examples.

The fact that Sticky could cite results differing from his proposition as proof reflects on his own reasoning powers.

I will, however, research fully the question of viewer IQ as time is available.

Try Harder Next Time.

[Edited on 8-7-2007 by MrBillM]

Stickers - 8-7-2007 at 03:57 PM

Professor Bill, I gotta admit that I love your responses and enjoy pulling your chain.

But - the research is quite clear that those watching the comedy channel shows tested much higher than Fox viewers. I don't suspect that it is solely an intelligence issue but mostly due to Fox News intentionally misinforming their viewers (Faux News). Therefore Fox News viewing will lower the test scores accordingly.

Now if you need some extra cash you probably could get a staff writer position on the Colbert Report show. Just forward some of your posts to New York and they might send their jet out to pick you up in San Felipe.
:spingrin::spingrin::spingrin::spingrin:

Never Buy a Used Car from a Liberal.

MrBillM - 8-7-2007 at 05:32 PM

Or anything else for that matter. While they may sound good, they are devious and untruthful.

Sticky need not worry about yanking my Chain. It's Stainless Steel Proof Coil unlike their Rusty Crap. It's probably not the only thing that Sticky loves to yank on.

Even though it is clear that neither the Pew Research Poll OR The University of Maryland Poll made any attempt to assess relative Intellect and concentrated ONLY on issues of Current Event knowledge, Sticky still tries a little Weasel-Wording with "I don't suspect that it is solely an intelligence issue". I suspect that Sticky's sole academic credentials for making that assessment consist of once sniffing the warm chair of a Leftwing PoliSci Professor.

Having spent some time reading the University of Maryland Poll referred to, it becomes apparent that the methodology was destined to arrive at the desired result. They based the poll on three questions regarding WMDs, Saddam-Al Queda and Foreign support for the Iraq War. Any answer to their phrasing other than an absolute NO was considered a "misperception". Given that Republicans are inclined to listen primarily to Fox as Democrats are to CNN and the fact that there is STILL debate regarding at least the first two questions, the result was preordained.

So far, I haven't looked at the methodology of the Pew Research Poll, but I do note that, even accepting their results for the events and personalities involved, those whose primary News source was Bill O'Reilly (which began this little exchange) and Rush Limbaugh "scored" within a few percentage points of the Comedy Guys. Since I don't know at this time HOW they weighted the answers as to "correctly identifying", I would still distrust their final numbers.

Once I have an opportunity to read the details of the Pew Poll I'm sure I'll have further comments.

Keep on Yanking, Little one.

DENNIS - 8-7-2007 at 05:59 PM

MrBill..........

You're really Don Rickles, arn't you.

I Yam what I Yam.

MrBillM - 8-8-2007 at 08:36 AM

And that's not Popeye the Sailor Man OR Don Rickles.

I'm sure that I'm being insulted in some way, but not being a devotee of Don Rickles or being much of a comedy fan, I'm not sure what negative trait is being inferred. I have seen him on TV a few times and in a few movies. "Kellys Heroes" comes to mind.

Is "Curmudgeon" the trait that comes to mind ? Many, many people have shared that opinion over the years.

oldhippie - 8-8-2007 at 08:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
or being much of a comedy fan


Mr. Bill, you know that old saying "you only have one life to live". Well, seeing that you were a sophomore in 1960, I would put you at 63. Maybe you'll live to 85.

(85-63)/85*100 = about 26%

So you have 1/4 of a life to live, probably less, maybe more. Lighten up, at least enjoy comedy.

---------------------------------------

Wait a minute, what am I saying, you are comedy!
:bounce:

Your hippie friend.

[Edited on 8-8-2007 by oldhippie]

DENNIS - 8-8-2007 at 02:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm not sure what negative trait is being inferred.

None. Just a reference to your tough humor which I enjoy. I'm a fan of yours, MrBill. If not, I wouldn't point out that, in this case, I imply...you infer. You, of all people, should appreciate the details.

Thanks for the Mention

MrBillM - 8-8-2007 at 09:52 PM

As I said, I'm not that familiar with Don Rickles so I misunderstood the comment. I liked the guy too. Haven't seen him in awhile.

CaboRon - 8-10-2007 at 07:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
As I said, I'm not that familiar with Don Rickles so I misunderstood the comment. I liked the guy too. Haven't seen him in awhile.


Got to see Don Rickles about three years ago at the now demolished "Stardust" in Las Vegas.. Great Show !!

- CaboRon

bajajazz - 8-10-2007 at 12:25 PM

"pernicious pablum peddled by the dishonest dregs . . . "

I think we've just had a Spiro Agnew sighting . . .

Don Rickles, by the way, recently bombed horribly at the White House Correspondents' Dinner where he was asked to perform because he was "safe" and wouldn't embarrass the cretin-in-chief, as Colbert did the year before.

Elvira Go Bye Bye

MrBillM - 8-20-2007 at 12:13 PM

The Convicted Illegal Alien who made a farce of ICE enforcement by holing up in a church sanctuary for over a year is now back home (for a day or two ?).

Elvira decided to rub salt into the wound by traveling to Los Angeles for Immigration speaking engagements at four L.A. area churches.

Leaving the first church, she was surrounded by ICE enforcement personnel and has been deported.

Hasta La Vista, Baby.

DENNIS - 8-20-2007 at 12:50 PM

Good. They ought to arrest the witch doctor who gave her sanctuary for the last year as well. Harboring a fugative has to be illegal, even for a church.
Her mentors from La Raza are probably wondering at this point if their counsel was thought out. Why would they let her go out into the real world? Maybe they need a martyr.

Elvira Ejection

MrBillM - 8-21-2007 at 08:39 AM

It was laughable last night watching the "Open Border" Usual Suspects lamenting Elvira's persecution and condemning the government for "separating" her from her U.S. born son.

It was pointed out, but ignored by the Talking Points Mouthers, that they weren't separating them. She had the option of keeping her son with her in Mexico.