BajaNomad - Casino in San Felipe. Huh?

Casino in San Felipe. Huh?

tigerdog - 8-2-2007 at 05:12 AM

Did Mexico legalize gambling while I wasn't looking? :?:

Ad Valora Announces Two Major Projects Being Developed in Mexico, Including a World Class Hotel and Casino
Thursday August 2, 5:00 am ET

RANCHO MIRAGE, Calif., Aug. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Ad Valora today announced that it has begun the planning and development for two major projects near San Felipe, Mexico, in Baja California on the Sea of Cortez.

The first project, Pelican Reef, is a 157-acre oceanfront property 38 miles south of San Felipe. Ad Valora plans to build 992 1,200 square-foot condominiums at this site, along with swimming pools, spas and a Club House.

The second project, called "Mexicarlo," is a hotel resort and casino. This Five Star Hotel and Casino will include 350 hotel suites, penthouses on the top floor, and a 40,000 square foot casino featuring all the popular gaming Americans find in Las Vegas and excellent restaurants and shops. Also at the site will be constructed an 18-hole professional golf course, club house and restaurant, and a marina on the warm, azure blue, Sea of Cortez waterfront with eventually more than 100 slips.

"Fishing is world renowned in this area which prides itself on 360 days of sunshine a year," said C.M. (Sonny) Ball, Chairman. "We are looking to break ground on these projects in mid-October 2007."

Ad Valora also announced it has retained E & E Communications, Laguna Hills, California, to assist with its public and investor relations efforts.

Bob and Susan - 8-2-2007 at 05:26 AM

E & E Communications
Laguna Hills, CA 92653-4913
Public Relations Services

Estimated Employees = 2

CaboRon - 8-2-2007 at 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
E & E Communications
Laguna Hills, CA 92653-4913
Public Relations Services

Estimated Employees = 2

Those two employies are going to be mighty busy. This is going on all over isn't it .... get an office , set up a web site, sell dreams . and then go bankrupt .... As to the casino, fourty thousand square feet is a tiny casino, not very impressive. - CaboRon
:?:

Do any of these projects finish build out ? :?:

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 06:09 AM

There's slot machines on Revolucion in TJ. If Jorge Hank Rhon is elected Gobenador there may be more casinos in BC. He's big on gambling. I thought it was illegal too, but money talks. I've read that Mexican officials along the border aren't happy about all the money Mexicans spend at the Indian casinos in San Diego county. They want it.

So, maybe.

bajalou - 8-2-2007 at 06:16 AM

Been talk of years of legalizing gambling in Mexico. Legislature hasn't passed it yet, but some keep trying. Also the talk of a that San Felipe had been selected as a city for casinos has been around for a long time.

805gregg - 8-2-2007 at 07:00 AM

38 miles so. of San Felipe is somewhere near all those camps past Bahia Santa Maria. Isn't that an area of huge tides? How are you going to have a Marina with no water?

bajalou - 8-2-2007 at 07:20 AM

Tidal changes are less south of San Felipe and more extreme to the north.

DENNIS - 8-2-2007 at 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldhippie
I've read that Mexican officials along the border aren't happy about all the money Mexicans spend at the Indian casinos in San Diego county. They want it.

You don't even have to go out and find an Indian casino. There are card rooms on Broadway in Chula Vista. Since the growth of casinos in Southern Cal and gambling on the cruise ships, casinos on the Mexican side of the border region will have limited appeal.

Bob and Susan - 8-2-2007 at 07:33 AM

but...

Mexican Casino Resorts will draw crowds...especially if located near the border like San Felipe

DENNIS - 8-2-2007 at 07:39 AM

Sure they will. It makes me wonder though. There has to be a saturation point for the tourism industry, especially with the prices for services reaching Cancun levels.

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
casinos on the Mexican side of the border region will have limited appeal.

Except if you happen to live on the Mexican side of the border. Don't forget there's Mexicans who live in Mexico too.

[Edited on 8-2-2007 by oldhippie]

CaboRon - 8-2-2007 at 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldhippie

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
casinos on the Mexican side of the border region will have limited appeal.

Except if you happen to live on the Mexican side of the border. Don't forget there's Mexicans who live in Mexico too.

[Edited on 8-2-2007 by oldhippie]

Oldhippy, Thank's for reminding us .... we sometimes

forget .

- CaboRon

viabaja - 8-2-2007 at 08:23 AM

Here is how it will play out - First, glitzy web site, etc., etc. Second, a pair of concrete pillars or arch over a dirt roadway into proposed inprovement. Third - nothing!! There will be a number of fools who have plunked their money down as those people for that scam north of SF. Great web site. Great artist renditions of a harbor & such. But no construction or approved plans. People will never learn!
Pelican Reef! Oh yeah! Power at $10-15k per pole to be brought in. But more importantly - water. There is none of significant amount. There is enough for small wells that can support the various houses in the ejidos. Even then, some water has to be trucked in to some locations.
To support something like "The first project, Pelican Reef, is a 157-acre oceanfront property 38 miles south of San Felipe. Ad Valora plans to build 992 1,200 square-foot condominiums at this site, along with swimming pools, spas and a Club House." is a joke.
SF is now running out of water. They are having issues maintaining the levels at the Pila. My understanding is that ED Ranch deliveries have been cut in half. So know they want to buld a another development with 18 hole golf course. Sure, why not! Who wants to be first to invest?

wilderone - 8-2-2007 at 08:39 AM

Chairman C. M. (Sonny) Ball is a busy guy: SEE SECOND STORY ?????????

RANCHO MIRAGE, Calif., Aug. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Ad Valora today announced that it has begun the planning and development for two major projects near San Felipe, Mexico, in Baja California on the Sea of Cortez. The first project, Pelican Reef, is a 157-acre oceanfront property 38 miles south of San Felipe. Ad Valora plans to build 992 1,200 square-foot condominiums at this site, along with swimming pools, spas and a Club House.
The second project, called "Mexicarlo," is a hotel resort and casino. This Five Star Hotel and Casino will include 350 hotel suites, penthouses on the top floor, and a 40,000 square foot casino featuring all the popular gaming Americans find in Las Vegas and excellent restaurants and shops. Also at the site will be constructed an 18-hole professional golf course,
club house and restaurant, and a marina on the warm, azure blue, Sea of Cortez waterfront with eventually more than 100 slips. "Fishing is world renowned in this area which prides itself on 360 days of sunshine a year," said C.M. (Sonny) Ball, Chairman. "We are looking to break ground on these projects in mid-October 2007." Ad Valora also announced it has retained E & E Communications, Laguna
Hills, California, to assist with its public and investor relations efforts.
____________________

RANCHO MIRAGE, Calif., Aug. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Niteagle Systems Inc. , which was formed in 2006 to develop the next generation of enhanced vision systems for a wide variety of applications, today announced that it has retained E & E Communications, Laguna Hills, California, to assist with its new investor and public relations programs.
"Niteagle Systems is moving forward to meet an urgent market need to improve the convenience and safe driving for recreational vehicle operators through the use of low-cost thermal imaging systems," said C. M. (Sonny) Ball, Chairman. "We believe with this progress, and with other projects Niteagle Systems is involved with nearing fruition, that it is an excellent time to make our investor and potentials investors aware of our achievements."
"We are pleased with the opportunity to assist with this public and investor relations campaign. The projects outlined by Niteagle Systems for its near future are environmentally beneficial, exciting and we look forward to updating shareholders on this Company's progress," said Paul Knopick, Principal, E & E Communications.

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 08:56 AM

We need to start a new thread or perhaps a whole website.

The Daily Baja Development Daily.

How many hotel rooms, condos, and golf courses have been announced in the past couple of years? This is wild.

I'm glad I live in a normal part of baja, beautiful Tijuana. Truely authentic and sustainable.

bajamigo - 8-2-2007 at 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldhippie

How many hotel rooms, condos, and golf courses have been announced in the past couple of years? This is wild.

Well, in our part of the world, the abandoned Baja Beach Club resort has been sold to a "major developer" at least five times this year, including Marriott, Tiger Woods and maybe even the North Koreans. Development is one thing; promoting it seems to be a cottage industry. And this particular resort was once a flourishing business.

Baja&Back - 8-2-2007 at 09:45 AM

Apologies to Antonio Baja Cactus, but I think I'll announge a new mega project with 500 condos, Hilton hotel & TWO golf courses in the expansive, attractive arroyo at El Rosario. Have conned a farmer downstream from the bridge out of his ancestral lands for a mere pittance. Pristine tropical beach will be moved 15 miles inland for qualified buyers convenience.

Project completion slated for the height of the hurricane season. Price = $200,000 each (plus construction costs paid in advance).

Note: All presales must be completed before my departure for Brazil.

Contact: yippee-ki-yea@gone.con

Bajajorge - 8-2-2007 at 09:55 AM

Will my Nevada casino gambling chips work in a Baja casino? :lol:

CaboRon - 8-2-2007 at 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajajorge
Will my Nevada casino gambling chips work in a Baja casino? :lol:

backninedan - 8-2-2007 at 11:21 AM

I worked in the gaming industry for twenty years and can tell you first hand that the saturation point was hit a few years ago. They keep building them and all it does is split up the available business.

Other than Las Vegas, casinos have become a convinience rather than a destination. Casinos in Mexico may draw a few, but I can't imagine it being the big draw that builders hope they will be.

I can see it all now... the Loreto Bay Mega Casino.... Next month don't miss the big "Poker and Dorado Tourny"

capt. mike - 8-2-2007 at 11:28 AM

"I'm glad I live in a normal part of baja, beautiful Tijuana. Truely authentic and sustainable."

Hipster - was that tongue in cheek?? :lol:

doesn't TJ simply pump all its raw sewage via the river into the sea?
i recall beach closures when i commuted to Chula juana a few years ago attributed to TJs "sustainability"..??

are you striving to clean up that zona while you brake peddle other projects which may negatively impact sensitive eco areas?? :no:

CaboRon - 8-2-2007 at 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by backninedan
I worked in the gaming industry for twenty years and can tell you first hand that the saturation point was hit a few years ago. They keep building them and all it does is split up the available business.

Other than Las Vegas, casinos have become a convinience rather than a destination. Casinos in Mexico may draw a few, but I can't imagine it being the big draw that builders hope they will be.

I can see it all now... the Loreto Bay Mega Casino.... Next month don't miss the big "Poker and Dorado Tourny"

It really seems true .... I used to go to Las Vegas two or three times a year ..... then the casinos in california opened and I went a lot more .... and it lost it's appeal as something to do once in a while....
To much of a good thing ...... - CaboRon

DENNIS - 8-2-2007 at 11:48 AM

Great idea. They can have the world series of poker at Bob and Susans place when a half dozen nitwits sit around the table denounceing the luck factor in a card game. "Sure. It's all skill. That's why I'm going to win."

DENNIS - 8-2-2007 at 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by capt. mike
doesn't TJ simply pump all its raw sewage via the river into the sea?

Yeah, sure they do, right after it goes through the United States.

Cypress - 8-2-2007 at 11:55 AM

Casinos are great if you like the sound of bell's, whistles and enjoy throwing your money up in the air. :tumble:

Hook - 8-2-2007 at 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Casinos are great if you like the sound of bell's, whistles and enjoy throwing your money up in the air. :tumble:

You're playing the wrong games at the casinos, Cypress. Stay away from the bells and whistles (machines) and spend more time at the tables, especially craps..........a GREAT game.

I'd play craps in Mexico.........hell, Hwy 1 is a crapshoot anyway.

Bob H - 8-2-2007 at 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Casinos are great if you like the sound of bell's, whistles and enjoy throwing your money up in the air. :tumble:

Hook, craps is my favorite gambling choice too! I'd love to see what you do at a craps table! Wow. :wow:

Bob H

Bob and Susan - 8-2-2007 at 12:18 PM

"you" ALWAYS gamble until you lose...
ALWAYS looking for the "pie-in-the-sky"

spend your money on dinner with the wife...you'll be a winner :yes:

as for saturation...
there's ALWAYS a new generation comming up... :light:

what's expensive for us is NOTHING for the "kids"

Hook - 8-2-2007 at 12:27 PM

Bob, I play the basic system that most books describe. A pass line bet with max odds, and two successive come bets and fill those up with max odds. Then I just sit there and collect money. :lol:

As my numbers are made other than the point, I make another come bet and fill it up with odds. As each number (point or my moved come bets) is made I double the basic bet and max the odds. The idea is to have no more than three numbers working at one time.This continues until I lose the point whereby I start the process all over with the minimum bet.

I never place bets or make any one-roll bets.

Bankroll management is key..........you establish how much you can lose in each session and walk away if that happens. And in terms of winning, if anyone holds the dice for a half hour (as a pass line bettor), you walk away with the winnings.

It's pretty surprising how SLOWLY you lose money at this even when your losing. I usually have a limit of a few hundred at each session and I often cannot lose it unless I play for longer than I really like.

I have used this system for about 7 years and I seem to come away from sessions ahead around 60-70% of the time. And of course, even when you lose, craps is the most fun game to be losing at, too.

Bob and Susan - 8-2-2007 at 12:33 PM

"Bob, I play the basic system that most books describe....two successive bets and fill those up with max odds.
Then I just sit there and collect money"

:lol:

backninedan - 8-2-2007 at 12:48 PM

Casinos luv luv luv systems. The only game in the house with even odds for all players is live poker. The house takes a cut from each pot and doesn't care who wins.

The slots pay for everything. I was manager of a 20 table poker room at a medium size casino in Oregon. A single line of 8 machines made more money for the casino than the poker room. We were just there as a convience, and the casino hoped the players or the spouses would play machines before or after poker.....and they did...a lot.

bancoduo - 8-2-2007 at 01:38 PM

People always brag about how much money they win at the casinos.

I wonder when it will be my turn :?:

Hook - 8-2-2007 at 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by backninedan
Casinos luv luv luv systems. The only game in the house with even odds for all players is live poker. The house takes a cut from each pot and doesn't care who wins.

The slots pay for everything. I was manager of a 20 table poker room at a medium size casino in Oregon. A single line of 8 machines made more money for the casino than the poker room. We were just there as a convience, and the casino hoped the players or the spouses would play machines before or after poker.....and they did...a lot.

Too much concentration and mystery reading faces for me. You cant drink and play successfully at cards. Yeah, it has the best chances of winning but many people (I guess Bob and Susan are apparently in this camp) forget that you are at a casino to have fun; not just win money. I see people all wound up and so afraid to lose money at the craps tables and then go cussing off when their bad betting turns out to be just that. Doesn't look like any fun, approaching gambling like that.

A craps system is very easy to follow. You will see lots of others playing the same system at the same time as me. It becomes almost like a team sport; us against the house. We know they have the odds but they aren't great odds with this system. And so, we enjoy walking back to the cashier lines together cause we all know when to quit.

A Boy Scout wouldn't understand, I suppose...........

[Edited on 8-2-2007 by Hook]

Hook - 8-2-2007 at 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bancoduo
People always brag about how much money they win at the casinos.

I wonder when it will be my turn :?:

I dont win alot when I win and dont lose alot when I lose.........but I have fun. It's a nice break from the drudgery of a 40 hour week.

Indian casinos are garbage.

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by capt. mike
"I'm glad I live in a normal part of baja, beautiful Tijuana. Truely authentic and sustainable."

Hipster - was that tongue in cheek?? :lol:

No there's a primary treatment plant that the US and Mexico built together just on the US side of the fence close to the ocean. But of course they built it too small. There's not much of a pollution plume during the dry season. Rains swamp the plant. There are two different plans being debated now to upgrade the system. But since it's an international problem because the TJ effluent crosses the border, things are moving slowly.

You can watch the pollution warnings for Imperial Beach to know when the bacteria count is too high.

The Tijuana beach is packed on weekends during the summer with 100s maybe 1000s of people swimming. There's a surf break at the south end of the malecon and guys are always surfing. I walk the beach almost every day and the water is clear.

I've lived on the coast from Del Mar to Tijuana for 30 years. I've never seen as much sea life as I do here in TJ. Many pods of dolphins having fun, lots of seagulls and pelicans and bait fish galore. The sardines are close now and the large fishing boats that get the bait for the San Diego bait barges were just a few hundred feet off shore this morning.

TJ is really getting its environmental act together. The single point pollution sources have been almost all eliminated and there is a storm water system here in playas that catches the runoff from the hills and pumps it to an outfall south of TJ - right where Trump is building his two towers.

I really do like Playas de Tijuana and I think urban beaches are the best of both worlds. I get bored in rural areas. Plus I can leave my house and with my Sentri pass be in San Diego in 20 minutes on a good day, 40 minutes max.

Bob and Susan - 8-2-2007 at 04:01 PM

for us simpletons ... again... :biggrin:

hipster=
people in thier teens to 20s
who generally listen to indie rock,
hang out in coffee shops,
shop at the thrift store and
talk about things like books, music, films and art.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

You wouldn't love me

Dave - 8-2-2007 at 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob H
Hook, craps is my favorite gambling choice too! I'd love to see what you do at a craps table! Wow. :wow:

Bob H

I'm a "wrong way" player.

Hook - 8-2-2007 at 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob H
Hook, craps is my favorite gambling choice too! I'd love to see what you do at a craps table! Wow. :wow:

Bob H

I'm a "wrong way" player.

Dave, why am I not surprised.

I might have gone that route but keeping track of the payoffs is more difficult for me.

mtgoat666 - 8-2-2007 at 05:04 PM

The beaches I saw around San Felipe were really ugly. So ugly I never went back a second time. Can't imagine a casino in town will make the beaches look any different than a broad, shallow mud flat.

Hook - 8-2-2007 at 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666
The beaches I saw around San Felipe were really ugly. So ugly I never went back a second time. Can't imagine a casino in town will make the beaches look any different than a broad, shallow mud flat.

You'd be surprised what they can do with a brochure and a website.

this one is about 38 miles south of SF. the farther you go south, the nicer it gets, to a point.

bajajudy - 8-2-2007 at 05:22 PM

There were rumors going around here in Los Cabos that all the new hotels were building these huge convention halls that would later become casinos but the feds have never passed the bill allowing gambling. I dont doubt that they will eventually and at that point I will join the ranks of the cabo bashers because I do believe that gambling will truly ruin it here.

jeans - 8-2-2007 at 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldhippie
I've read that Mexican officials along the border aren't happy about all the money Mexicans spend at the Indian casinos in San Diego county.....

Viejas Casino in Alpine has a marketing director in Ensenada

oldhippie - 8-2-2007 at 08:20 PM

lots of Mexicans cross the border to go to the casinos and spend money at hotels, restaurants, etc. There's a growing number of Mexican politicos that think the money is better spent here (I'm in Mexico). I agree.

vacaenbaja - 8-2-2007 at 09:16 PM

OH BOY!! MEXICAN INDIAN GAMBLING. Maybe Mexicos gambling work around will involve indians like in California. I was tired of buying chicletts and wrist bands. Now I can buy casino chips from
the indians.
I think that there is some "Tribal Land"close to Baja Catus.
Why he can put in some slot machines in his planned restaurant and have it payoff in "Pemex Pesos, good for
fuel products only!

wilderone - 8-3-2007 at 08:27 AM

When indian gambling began in California, the mafia was all over it. I was working at the Atty General's office at the time and know a little of what went on. With the Mexican mafia, drug cartels and an already shifty government in Mexico, I think gambling would be a train wreck as far as having any economic value to local citizens. And you've heard of alcoholics anonymous? The tourist industry doesn't really need a boost.

oldhippie - 8-3-2007 at 08:41 AM

You're probably right. I'm not a gambler so I know little about where the money that's raked in goes. I've never taken the time to look into it. It seems that the American Indians have profited considerably. But no doubt there is a skim.

Bajajorge - 8-3-2007 at 09:35 AM

Quote:

I dont win alot when I win and dont lose alot when I lose.........but I have fun. It's a nice break from the drudgery of a 40 hour week.

Indian casinos are garbage.

Hook, you are correct that Indian Casinos are garbage. I haven't been in one yet that can come near to, or compare to a Nevada casino. I know the Indians let the Nevada casino corporations run their casinos, but for some reason they just don't compare.

I never met a rich gambler.

backninedan - 8-3-2007 at 11:13 AM

I do have many years experience working in both Nevada and Indian owned casinos. At least I saw some of the profits from the Indian owned places going to tribal health, education and housing. They also purchased emergency vehicles for small towns in the area and donated to many non-indian causes in the Portland Oregon area. Wonder how many Nevada casinos can make the same claims as to where there profits go?? Garbage?? not in my experience.

bajacrawler - 8-3-2007 at 11:23 AM

This was posted on the San Felipe web site.
August 3 - An impressive press release was made yesterday announcing that a large resort called Pelican Reef was to be built mid-way between San Felipe and Puertecitos. Here is the text of this release:

RANCHO MIRAGE, Calif., Aug. 2 PRNewswire — Ad Valora today announced that it has begun the planning and development for two major projects near San Felipe, Mexico, in Baja California on the Sea of Cortez.

The first project, Pelican Reef, is a 157-acre oceanfront property 38 miles south of San Felipe. Ad Valora plans to build 992 1,200 square-foot condominiums at this site, along with swimming pools, spas and a Club House.
The second project, called "Mexicarlo," is a hotel resort and casino. This Five Star Hotel and Casino will include 350 hotel suites, penthouses on the top floor, and a 40,000 square foot casino featuring all the popular gaming Americans find in Las Vegas and excellent restaurants and shops. Also at the site will be constructed an 18-hole professional golf course, club house and restaurant, and a marina on the warm, azure blue, Sea of Cortez waterfront with eventually more than 100 slips.
"Fishing is world renowned in this area which prides itself on 360 days of sunshine a year," said C.M. (Sonny) Ball, Chairman. "We are looking to break ground on these projects in mid-October 2007."
Ad Valora also announced it has retained E & E Communications, Laguna Hills, California, to assist with its public and investor relations efforts.

Interestingly, we have been unable to reach the Public Relations firm that distributed this release and a cursory internet search shows no prior business history of this company "Ad Valora". Even though the release was made in Rancho Mirage, the California Secretary of State has no record of any such company and there are no filings on record for offering real estate sales of this property in California. We also do not believe that the Mexican constitution has yet been amended to allow the building and operation of Casinos in Mexico. Until further information is available, we recommend treating this announcement with some skepticism. (ej).

Cypress - 8-3-2007 at 11:56 AM

There's something about this whole deal that just doesn't make sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why would someone go all the way to Baja to place a bet? :tumble:

There're casinos on every corner north of the border and they'll feed you while you place your bets. :spingrin:

Al G - 8-3-2007 at 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
There's something about this whole deal that just doesn't make sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why would someone go all the way to Baja to place a bet? :tumble:

There're casinos on every corner north of the border and they'll feed you while you place your bets. :spingrin:

It is called a Get away vacation...even people in Las Vegas get away to Tahoe or New Orleans....
Are you corrected yet :lol:

bajalou - 8-3-2007 at 12:14 PM

For the same reasons someone would go to Las Vegas.

oldhippie - 8-3-2007 at 12:33 PM

Interesting

C.M. (Sonny) Ball, the Chairman of Ad Valora that seems to exist only in this press release is also the Chairman of Niteagle Systems. Both companies use E & E Communications to crank out press releases.

CONTACT: Niteagle Systems Inc. Paul Knopick E & E Communications (949) 707-5365 pknopick@eandecommunications.com

http://www.sys-con.com/read/410754.htm

E & E Communications

http://www.eandecommunications.com/

Niteagle Systems Inc.

http://www.niteagle.com/Company.html

It's a public OTC company http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NGLE.PK

-------------------------------------------

I bet Sonny has a shack in the area that he's trying to sell because Niteagle is going broke and he's trying to get the price up.

Cypress - 8-3-2007 at 02:30 PM

Silly me!! :yes:

I see!

They're gonna to Baja to gamble for the same reasons they're gonna go to Loreto to play golf. :bounce: