BajaNomad - Colonet--Deferred or Dead

Colonet--Deferred or Dead

bajamigo - 8-3-2007 at 08:06 AM

This story appeared in yesterday's San Diego Union-Tribune. Looks as if Hutchison-Whampoa wants to go with what it's got (the Panama Canal) rather than hassle with Baja.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070802-9999-1b2c...

oldhippie - 8-3-2007 at 08:48 AM

I wonder why folks think it's an either/or situation. Do both.

gnukid - 8-3-2007 at 10:50 AM

I saw a discussion albeit on the Colbert Report that there is a planned I69 super freeway from Loreto to Michigan which will be the direct shipping road for goods. It also is in planing and negotiations.

elizabeth - 8-3-2007 at 11:03 AM

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I saw a discussion albeit on the Colbert Report that there is a planned I69 super freeway from Loreto to Michigan which will be the direct shipping road for goods. It also is in planing and negotiations.

Tell me you made that up!

Bob H - 8-3-2007 at 12:08 PM

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Tell me you made that up!

Yes Elizabeth, it's made up....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colbert_Report

Bob H

elizabeth - 8-3-2007 at 12:42 PM

That just shows how culturally deprived I am!!!! I never heard of the Colbert Report! Is this because I don't have tv?

Mexitron - 8-3-2007 at 01:14 PM

The Colbert Report is a comedy show but the NAFTA Corridor is not made up:

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

"This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside."

Don Alley - 8-3-2007 at 01:33 PM

I subscribe to The Colbert Report through iTunes. While the opinions on the show are comedy, the facts are true.

This highway is no exception. Just a couple of weeks ago API and other government officials met with Loreto's mayor to discuss the Mexican terminus of the highway: a new Super Pier from the Loreto marina (recently renamed Puerto Loreto). Construction could start next year.

The anticipated shipping traffic is behind most of the recent enthusiasm for Loreto real estate.

This is the real reason the Colonet project is a dead duck, not the Panama Canal expansion.

Back to work; rabbits invaded my house and gnawed through all my lamp cords....

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oldhippie - 8-3-2007 at 02:13 PM

Cargo ships coming into Loreto, sure!

I've heard about the Loreto Space Port. The Loreto Bay Corp is going to develop the dark side of the moon. No water, no air, no light, no problem. Folks will obviously buy into it.

vandenberg - 8-3-2007 at 02:29 PM

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Back to work; rabbits invaded my house and gnawed through all my lamp cords....

Hope they stay away from your PC cord. Would miss your posts. Loreto, the future Hong Kong of the SOC.

Don Alley - 8-3-2007 at 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by oldhippie
Cargo ships coming into Loreto, sure!

I've heard about the Loreto Space Port. The Loreto Bay Corp is going to develop the dark side of the moon. No water, no air, no light, no problem. Folks will obviously buy into it.

A few weeks back, on a photo thread, people asked to post the view from their casa. I posted this:

The dark side of the moon. Now visible from Loreto.

flyfishinPam - 8-3-2007 at 02:57 PM

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Mexitron - 8-3-2007 at 03:22 PM

Here's a quick rundown on the corridor and the North American Trade Alliance scenario:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

If the alliance comes to fruition the concept of illegals may become a moot point.
I think the Loreto discussed for the superport would be in Tamaulipas, not Baja.

elizabeth - 8-3-2007 at 03:40 PM

Mexitron

Isn't Loreto, Tamaulipas a good distance inland? Not on the gulf?

Don Alley - 8-3-2007 at 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
Here's a quick rundown on the corridor and the North American Trade Alliance scenario:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

If the alliance comes to fruition the concept of illegals may become a moot point.
I think the Loreto discussed for the superport would be in Tamaulipas, not Baja.

Wow, I watched that Lou Dobbs segment...pretty scary stuff. And he even has The John Birch Society weighing in. So maybe Loreto will once again be capitol of all the Californias.

oldhippie - 8-3-2007 at 04:26 PM

A lot of people are having hissy fits about the NAFTA superhighway. I'm all for the idea for the simple reason it somewhat blurs national boundaries. I don't like nationalism. It's too religious-like and there is supposed to be a separation of church and state.

The Europeans have done it. If wisdom comes with age then they may be showing North America the way. They've been struggling with the havoc caused by nationalism for several hundred years longer than us.

DENNIS - 8-3-2007 at 04:55 PM

Viva Panama.......

I want the contract to build bridges across the new widened passage.

The Gull - 8-3-2007 at 04:58 PM

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Viva Panama.......

I want the contract to build bridges across the new widened passage.

Start in Minneapolis, just for practice.

DENNIS - 8-3-2007 at 05:05 PM

Yeah, Gull..............

That would be good practice.

While you're here..... I apologize for all the nastiness in the past.

toneart - 8-3-2007 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by oldhippie
A lot of people are having hissy fits about the NAFTA superhighway. I'm all for the idea for the simple reason it somewhat blurs national boundaries. I don't like nationalism. It's too religious-like and there is supposed to be a separation of church and state.

The Europeans have done it. If wisdom comes with age then they may be showing North America the way. They've been struggling with the havoc caused by nationalism for several hundred years longer than us.

Exactly as I have been saying about the superhighway. I am sure there will be lots of negative impact, but it is in the planning stages and will be rolled through, mostly for all the wrong reasons. But I too would like to see it blur the national boundaries. Old Hippie-----I feel exactly the same way about nationalism and its evangelistic vitriol. Regarding your hope that North America can learn from the Europeans, don't hold your breath. At least not until this current group of usurping flag wavers is deposed. They don't possess wisdom; they just get old. :smug:

Minnow - 8-3-2007 at 05:34 PM

I don't know what you people are reading, or smoking, but the comments were about Laredo TX to Michigan. Must have been a typo somewhere. They are also building a corridor, per NAFTA, from Nogales to Canada. Hence the new bridge bypass of Hover Dam. The largest construction project on West Coast.

DENNIS - 8-3-2007 at 05:53 PM

Who cares?

Minnow - 8-3-2007 at 05:58 PM

Obviously you. As you have commented on almost every post that has been made today. Many more than once. How is the floor coming? :biggrin:

TMW - 8-3-2007 at 06:08 PM

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There is a lot of difference between the countries in europe and Mexico. Mexico is a third world country with no infrastrure, a corrupt government, corrupt police etc. If Mexico was in europe I doubt it would have an open border with the other union members. I can see an open border with Canada at some point in the future. But with Mexico not in a 100 years unless we take it over and change everything .

[Edited on 8-4-2007 by TW]

DENNIS - 8-3-2007 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Minnow
Obviously you. As you have commented on almost every post that has been made today. Many more than once. How is the floor coming? :biggrin:

It's underfoot.

Careful,

The Gull - 8-3-2007 at 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Yeah, Gull..............

That would be good practice.

While you're here..... I apologize for all the nastiness in the past.

You are going to get me all weepy, again.

toneart - 8-4-2007 at 12:04 AM

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Dateline: The Fox-Wall Street Journal
August 4, 2010

Canada's Molsen Ale Company just bought The Tecate Brewery and Mexico threw in the town as part of the deal. Canucks were spotted marching towards Ensenada and immigrado is hoping to stop them by demanding 50 pesos each for issuing FMTs. The fierce Canadian invasion force was heavily armed with hockey sticks and was heard chanting, "Today the border, next Guererro Negro and third, the world, eh?".......or was that, "the third world, eh?"

The United States is the big loser. NAFTA negotiated away all tariffs and The Teamsters lost the trucking rights when Vice President Gingrich cast the deciding vote in The Senate.

Homeland Security has quarantined the beer and ale truck convoys. The trucks are sealed and escorted by the newly commissioned special police. The Homeland Security Special police, which had been secret until President Cheney was installed by Marshall Law, looked sharp in their new brown-shirted uniforms. The trucks are not allowed to distribute any of the cargo inside the U.S. This is the first law that was unanimously passed by both houses of Congress. The lone dissenter was Senator Trent Lott. Tears were said to be streaming down his face.

This came just days after former President George W. Bush's intervention, when the Christian Right Moral Majority committed him to a rehab facility in Del Rio, Texas.

Trent and me, we be thirsty. :fire:

[Edited on 8-4-2007 by toneart]

oldhippie - 8-4-2007 at 06:15 AM

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I knew someone would make the jump from a superhighway to open borders with Mexico. Perhaps I greased the skids with bringing up the EU, but open borders with Mexico is way far in the future because of the disparity in per capita income between the US and Mexico. I hope the difference keeps getting smaller by Mexico staying on its present course.

In the meantime, an agreement that was signed by all three leaders of the countries involved to increase commerce and thereby decrease the disparity is fine with me.

As toneart pointed out, there will be problems, but they will be small compared to the problems this agreement is meant to solve.

oldhippie - 8-4-2007 at 06:23 AM

"But with Mexico not in a 100 years unless we take it over and change everything ."

Dios mio, that's a dreadful thought. Mexico is now clear of puritanical disease. Why would you even consider contaminating a wonderful neighbor with such polluted thinking.

TMW - 8-4-2007 at 09:36 AM

I have no desire at all of taking over Mexico. I see NAFTA as a way to move goods across the border free of tariffs and allowing manufactures to start up assembly plants to take advantage of cheap labor. To some degree it has happened but with India and China becoming more and more into the mix I don't think the full impact will be seen from NAFTA. It has probably hurt Mexico more that helped at least from the standpoint of tariff protections. On the U.S. side the issue has been more with allowing Mexican trucks to travel further from the border and that has the Teamsters up in arms. It's alright with me as long as the Mexican trucks pass the same safety checks and emission standards the U.S. trucks must do.

toneart - 8-4-2007 at 10:07 PM

Book Description
In the New York Times bestseller The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada, Jerome Corsi proves that the benignly-named "Security and Prosperity Partnership," created at a meeting between George W. Bush, Stephen Harper and Vincente Fox, is in fact the same kind of regional integration plan that led Europe to form the EU. According to Corsi, the elites in Europe who wanted to create a European nation knew that "it would be necessary to conceal from the peoples of Europe just what was being done in their name until the process was so far advanced that it had become irreversible." Could the same thing be happening here? Is American sovereignty doomed?

Using dozens of documents secured through the Freedom of Information Act and his trademark hard-hitting interviews, Jerome Corsi sets out a chilling view of America's possible "harmonized" future -- one being created covertly, without voter input or Congressional oversight. Could our government's unfathomable position on illegal immigration be tied to the prospect of an integrated North American Union?

oldhippie - 8-5-2007 at 06:12 AM

Sounds like Corsi is suffering from paranoia. I wonder what the "chilling view" looks like? I guess I'll read the book.

Mexitron - 8-5-2007 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by toneart
Book Description
In the New York Times bestseller The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada, Jerome Corsi proves that the benignly-named "Security and Prosperity Partnership," created at a meeting between George W. Bush, Stephen Harper and Vincente Fox, is in fact the same kind of regional integration plan that led Europe to form the EU. According to Corsi, the elites in Europe who wanted to create a European nation knew that "it would be necessary to conceal from the peoples of Europe just what was being done in their name until the process was so far advanced that it had become irreversible." Could the same thing be happening here? Is American sovereignty doomed?

Using dozens of documents secured through the Freedom of Information Act and his trademark hard-hitting interviews, Jerome Corsi sets out a chilling view of America's possible "harmonized" future -- one being created covertly, without voter input or Congressional oversight. Could our government's unfathomable position on illegal immigration be tied to the prospect of an integrated North American Union?

If its true it would explain a lot--no stand on illegals, the superhighway. I've been reading stuff here and there about it away from the LameStream Media.

toneart - 8-5-2007 at 11:58 AM

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If its true it would explain a lot--no stand on illegals, the superhighway. I've been reading stuff here and there about it away from the LameStream Media.

Yes, that's what I am thinking. I wrote the parody earlier in this string before reading the book review, but I too have seen references to this Super Highway plan, secretly in the works.

I don't think it will be good for the U.S.A., but for different reasons than the perceived immigration threat most people are focusing on. It would not be a people friendly project. It would benefit the North American Corporate masters that our governments serve. The idea that our politicians serve "We the People" has been a charade for a long time. People are slow to believe it or don't want to believe it because they are hoodwinked by secrecy and lies. I do have reservations about the credibility of Dr. Corsi, the author, but he says he has obtained his information from the Freedom of Information Act.

The charade is becoming more apparent now though. Lies will always become apparent. Deception is designed to cover up malevolent deeds. They fall on the side of wrong, and right will prevail, hopefully before it is too late. I am working to help restore our country to the proud, rule of law under our great Constitution, welcoming society that was once our grand heritage. :yes: