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OK What now governor?

Al G - 8-6-2007 at 08:07 AM

I am just now taking interest and learning about Mexican Politics...
so please bear with me.
The corrupt Hank is gone...but what do you expect from Osuna?
I take this election as a full sweep by PAN...right? does that help or what? Can we expect this to have an impact on BC corruption?

oldhippie - 8-6-2007 at 08:41 AM

Osuna Millan is very tight with Felipe Calderon, which I think bodes well for the state. It's good to have friends in high places.

We'll see what happens, but the corrupt nature of Mexican officialdom occurred while the PRI was in charge, what 80 years? The PAN politicians seem to be more enlightened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Guadalupe_Osuna_Mill%...

CaboRon - 8-6-2007 at 10:11 AM

Is this only a Baja Norte election , or is there a governor's election in Baja California Sur also ?
:?:

- CaboRon

oldhippie - 8-6-2007 at 10:18 AM

Only three states had elections yesterday:

Aguascalientes, Baja California, and Oaxaca.

fdt - 8-6-2007 at 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Is this only a Baja Norte election , or is there a governor's election in Baja California Sur also ?
:?:

- CaboRon

Every state has its own elections every 6 years, the present Baja California Sur state government took office in 2005 so they will have a new gov in 2011 and it's in April as far as I remember. local government is every 3 years, so 2008 is for mayors.

Cap - 8-6-2007 at 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
I am just now taking interest and learning about Mexican Politics...
so please bear with me.
The corrupt Hank is gone...but what do you expect from Osuna?
I take this election as a full sweep by PAN...right? does that help or what? Can we expect this to have an impact on BC corruption?

Almost none, the balance has been acheived on a large scale throughout Mexican ( and American) culture. The short-sighted corruption is balanced with biting the investment and tourism hand that feeds them. Small steps toward a more transparent gov't will occur but do not expect much in a short time frame.
On a side note, I have a personal philosophy about corrupt gov't practices in Mexico and other third world countries. I almost enjoy the blatent, display of it all. It is liberating in a sense to get lost in the seediness of it all. I guess that is why people go to Las Vegas, and watch the Sopranos. Of course I might feel differently if I was to become a victim of something stemming from these problems, or was born there and trying to build a life in that environment.
Sorry for rambling

DENNIS - 8-6-2007 at 02:49 PM

Six more years of the same-ol same-ol. That's the way it has been and that's the way it will be and that's the shame of it all.
I guess we can hope.......

Cap - 8-6-2007 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Six more years of the same-ol same-ol. That's the way it has been and that's the way it will be and that's the shame of it all.
I guess we can hope.......

Loss of hope (desire) can be liberating and make you realize what you have.
Of course when your mom walks in the basement and you rush to hide your bong so that she can berate you for not having a job you may have gone to far...

Don Alley - 8-6-2007 at 02:57 PM

Loreto is electing a new municipal president (mayor). Yesterday was the primary; I believe there were four PAN guys running. One PRD candidate has no primary opponent and will face the PAN primary winner early next year, I think. There was no PRI candidate, but in Loreto there is talk of an alliance between the PRI and PAN parties for this election for mayor and deputy.

DENNIS - 8-6-2007 at 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Cap
Loss of hope (desire) can be liberating and make you realize what you have.

Yeah, right. The problem is that viewing Mexican politics is an excercise in hope or futile acceptance which doesn't translate to an epiphany. It is what it was and will be.

Cap

Baja Bernie - 8-6-2007 at 03:13 PM

has it dead on...................sadly our own guys and gals are becoming almost as open in their contempt of the citizens as the 'other' third world counry's..................I believe that it is the 'attitude' that makes any nation a third world one............and both of our party's distain the voters is over the top.

DENNIS - 8-6-2007 at 03:21 PM

Bernie......... Attitudes don't define third world countrys.
Other than that, I have no idea what you're talking about up there.

Cap - 8-6-2007 at 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Cap
Loss of hope (desire) can be liberating and make you realize what you have.

Yeah, right. The problem is that viewing Mexican politics is an excercise in hope or futile acceptance which doesn't translate to an epiphany. It is what it was and will be.

I know it is frustrating, but there is beauty there. If you think about it I'll bet there are things you enjoy about the "process" or its manifestations. Where else can you pay your speeding tickets off, right with the officer that issued them. So what if you weren't actually speeding. The service is what counts.
There are many other services available in Mexico (that I won't mention )that are a direct result of the culture of corruption.
At the risk of rumors flying about Bernie and I, he is right as rain; Attitude is everything! (good to hear from you friend)

Dave - 8-6-2007 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Baja Bernie
has it dead on...................sadly our own guys and gals are becoming almost as open in their contempt of the citizens as the 'other' third world counry's

Bernie, you can't be serious. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 8-6-2007 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Cap
There are many other services available in Mexico (that I won't mention )that are a direct result of the culture of corruption.
At the risk of rumors flying about Bernie and I, he is right as rain; Attitude is everything! (good to hear from you friend)

If you want to support anarchy, go ahead and do it. Don't keep it a secret. Tell us about the benefits of corruption. We all would benefit from your..uh...philosophy. Evidently it involves patronization which I wish you would keep to yourself from now on.

Bernie should be burning your eyeballs out with scatheing U2Us about me by now. That's his usual method here.

[Edited on 8-6-2007 by DENNIS]

[Edited on 8-6-2007 by DENNIS]

Cap - 8-6-2007 at 04:35 PM

Are you sure your mood is tranquilo?
I am joking in these posts, I thought I was funny, I was wrong...
It is ok though, my life is sweeet! And I can tell you in all seriousness that living well is the best revenge.

Cap - 8-6-2007 at 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Cap

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Six more years of the same-ol same-ol. That's the way it has been and that's the way it will be and that's the shame of it all.
I guess we can hope.......

I re-read this post...c'mon that is a little funny.

Baja Bernie - 8-6-2007 at 05:11 PM

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The one I thought was joking was Al G because I think he has been around more than long enough to know the answer to his own question...............The quote by Cap that I left in is what I agree with.........the rest of his was just silly BS.

Sorry Dennis...................for offending your so closely held sincerities.

Dave, My friend ......what part did you believe I was not serious about?

Dennis..............forgot...........no burning U-2-U's............heck not any of any kind.

Oh! Yes, attitude is primary with me and yours is beginning to get to me.......I thought we had grown past that.............

If you remember, I was very supportive of you at one time and THEN I did get a bunch of email and lost a couple of friends over that support.

Now, why don't you relax and play nice!

toneart - 8-6-2007 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Cap
Are you sure your mood is tranquilo?
I am joking in these posts, I thought I was funny, I was wrong...
It is ok though, my life is sweeet! And I can tell you in all seriousness that living well is the best revenge.

Yes, funny! Thanks for the levity, Cap.

Come to think of it, thank all of you for the levity, inadvertent or not. :lol:

Last post

Cap - 8-6-2007 at 10:08 PM

I am going to make this my last post on this board. I am pretty new here, and I thought it would be cool to see, and hear some shared experiences of like minded people. I have met some truly wonderful people in the past in other forums, and even made life long friends. The bickering, and general lack of humor has soured me from this place. I am not bored, scared, self important, dillusional, or argumentative. Life is good, travel and new experience makes it great! I wish everyone good living.
Cheers,
-cap

fdt - 8-6-2007 at 11:31 PM

Que poco aguantas!

fdt

Baja Bernie - 8-7-2007 at 07:32 AM

I am confused...........no, I think not...........am I getting warm.

If I understand then you are surely wise and understanding.

fdt - 8-7-2007 at 08:04 AM

Well Bernie, that's pretty wise and understanding of you. :saint:

toneart - 8-7-2007 at 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Cap
I am going to make this my last post on this board. I am pretty new here, and I thought it would be cool to see, and hear some shared experiences of like minded people. I have met some truly wonderful people in the past in other forums, and even made life long friends. The bickering, and general lack of humor has soured me from this place. I am not bored, scared, self important, dillusional, or argumentative. Life is good, travel and new experience makes it great! I wish everyone good living.
Cheers,
-cap

Cap,
I was trying to give you support, in my sometimes sarcastic way. Levity is a good thing where it is sometimes hard to find. Your humor was a good contribution.

On this board we have witnessed many "shared experiences of like-minded people" and some not so like-minded people. I enjoy the dissension that often occurs here. People are speaking their personal truths and find many different ways of expressing them. For me, the only thing that I will not tolerate is rudeness and name calling. That is a tactic used by the mean-spirited who revel in their own hate.

Hurray!

Baja Bernie - 8-7-2007 at 06:22 PM

I was so happy when I heard that the guy in the relatively white had won the election and that the average Mexican could stand just a little prouder as a result of the election.

CaboRon - 8-8-2007 at 06:42 AM

Cap,

Hang in the background and check in once in a while.
This forum can be informative and fun if you don't let yourself get sucked in to the emotions of it all.

Anytime you wish to chime in, your views are welcome and appreciated .

I too, almost left this forum early on, I felt it was a little brutal ..... since then I have met good people and have gratefully received much good advice and support from new friends.

Take Care and Have a Smooth Life,

- CaboRon

JESSE - 8-8-2007 at 12:31 PM

To me the fundamental question about this election is:

How is it posible that a man with such horrid and putrefact backround, was able to win the port of mayor of Tijuana, and almost win the Governorship? those that claim it was his money are wrong, Hank is indeed very wealthy, but not that much in a state with a GDP of almost 40 billion dollars and several million people.

The big question is what is the PAN doing, that Bajacalifornians are willing to consider putting their trust on Hank's hands?

Al G - 8-8-2007 at 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
To me the fundamental question about this election is:

How is it posible that a man with such horrid and putrefact backround, was able to win the port of mayor of Tijuana, and almost win the Governorship? those that claim it was his money are wrong, Hank is indeed very wealthy, but not that much in a state with a GDP of almost 40 billion dollars and several million people.

The big question is what is the PAN doing, that Bajacalifornians are willing to consider putting their trust on Hank's hands?

Jesse...I was not kidding as Bernie eluded to...I would like to understand the culture that would "almost" elect a character such as "putrefact" Hank...yet Dennis dose not consider the winner as any good either. I understand the Governor now is PAN another Pan is nothing new or maybe it is...he is Conservative, I don't know that PAN is...is not Osana's relationship to Felipe Calderon, a reason to vote Osana, in the hope he will push Felipe Calderon agenda to stop corruption and Drugs??? I also feel Hank's vote % would be what I guess is the corrupt entity in B.C. now...it take a large % to keep corruption in power...does it not???
Will you translate "putrefact"....may not be what I think it is :lol:

DENNIS - 8-8-2007 at 01:44 PM

Whoa, Albert, whoa..........

My statement, "Same'ol Same'ol" was directed toward a system that repels change. I have no opinion, other than good, about Sr. Osuna.
I hear the same on the streets daily.
Sorry I misled you.

DENNIS - 8-8-2007 at 01:54 PM

Yeah.......... It's scary. 43% of the voters prefer this thug over a decent candidate. Could he have bought that many votes? Traded for bags of groceries? Or is he just the Pancho Villa of his time?

Al G - 8-8-2007 at 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Whoa, Albert, whoa..........

My statement, "Same'ol Same'ol" was directed toward a system that repels change. I have no opinion, other than good, about Sr. Osuna.
I hear the same on the streets daily.
Sorry I misled you.

I did misunderstand...sorry about that. This is a complicated culture, and after 70 years of PRI Ruling party...I thought PAN was change...or at least a new level of..."Same'ol Same'ol" :lol:

Al G - 8-8-2007 at 01:56 PM

After rereading I get it...culture rejects change???

CaboRon - 8-8-2007 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
After rereading I get it...culture rejects change???

All culture is steeped in dogma .... and dogma is resistant to change ..... as the dogma builds then stagnation sets in.

So cultures then need periodic upheaval and reevaluation of their core belief systems .... or even as Rome , they increase the opportunity for failure and collapse .....

Just a thought,

CaboRon

JESSE - 8-8-2007 at 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Yeah.......... It's scary. 43% of the voters prefer this thug over a decent candidate. Could he have bought that many votes? Traded for bags of groceries? Or is he just the Pancho Villa of his time?

The state has 4 million people, Theres 2,105,000 registered voters, about 20% of those no longer reside in the state, so that leaves 1,685,000. Considering 70% of real registered voters do not vote, that leaves only 505,500 people who did vote. Hank got 43% of those 505,000 so that comes out to 217,300 people out of 4 million.

Hank was overrated and only taking advantage of the lack of will of residents to vote.

CaboRon - 8-8-2007 at 02:23 PM

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Kinda' like in the old USA !

JESSE - 8-8-2007 at 02:25 PM

Honestly, i think Mexico is a perfect example of why american style democracy does not work for all nations. Our culture is simply incapable of making it work the way you do, so i believe democracy needs to be taylored to individual nations until they can understand and use the system to their advantage.

217,300 people

Al G - 8-8-2007 at 02:36 PM

Could there be that many corrupt cops and drug people :?:

I am thinking all people in undesirable industerys...

[Edited on 8-8-2007 by Al G]

DENNIS - 8-8-2007 at 02:40 PM

Jesse..........

I couldn't agree more. Our style of democracy is unique to us and we shouldn't be forceing it on others.
I believe the US could benefit from a review of our rendition of democracy as well.
Anyway, the vote in Mexico seems to have come a long way. That's as important as anything.

Al G - 8-8-2007 at 02:49 PM

I also agree...and that is why I am so interested...I think I see real change coming. I do not think patterning their Democracy after the US is a good or needed...I think democrates are to far left and Republican are to far right....that makes our system flawed...or at least over burdened

edinnopolo - 8-8-2007 at 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Honestly, i think Mexico is a perfect example of why american style democracy does not work for all nations. Our culture is simply incapable of making it work the way you do, so i believe democracy needs to be taylored to individual nations until they can understand and use the system to their advantage.

Jesse,
A good post to forward to our " Fearless Leader "

Jesse

Baja Bernie - 8-8-2007 at 04:58 PM

You have been consistant with that message since I first met you and I have come to agree..........and not only about Mexico.

Heck! I am beginning to think it just ain't working that good even here in the States.........or should I say the land of the free!

Mexican politicans are doing about the same BS that ours are and pandering to the masses with bags of grocery's is not much different than promises of 'free' almost everything on this north side of the border.

Just watch............next our guys and gals will be promising us free 'new' bridges.

Up here we have been given the same choices.............a real bad one or the lesser of two evils.

[Edited on 8-9-2007 by Baja Bernie]