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Sarcoptic mange

Marie-Rose - 8-25-2007 at 09:00 AM

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this nasty mite.

When we left Baja in May, our 14 yr old Heeler started having problems with itching...
patches of areas that looked like hot spots where had chewed the fur. Widespread.
The vet here treated him with prednisone and some antibiotics. We have been fighting
the problem all summer. During this time, late May... our new baja dog (9mts) developed sarcoptic mange and was treated successfully. Last scrappings in June were neg. NOW, our 9 yr old Baja mutt has been scratching, generalized pruritis, and our
daughters 2 yr old Baja mutt is starting as well:no::no:

Has anyone had experience with this type of thing???? Could it be that the old guy (Aussie dog, not hubby:tumble:) brought the mite home??? Thought it was mainly the young pups that had it.... We were told they were not contagious??????

Any info appreciated... vets here not really familiar.

bacquito - 8-25-2007 at 09:33 AM

Please review this website for information on mange:http://www.canismajor.com/dog/mange1.html

Cypress - 8-25-2007 at 09:39 AM

Mix sulphur with motor oil and smear it on the mangey areas.:bounce: It's messy, nasty, and smelly, but will rid the dog of mange.:bounce:

mange

tehag - 8-25-2007 at 09:54 AM

I've had success with straight peanut oil massaged into the skin in affected areas. Various dogs over a number of years.

Marie-Rose - 8-25-2007 at 10:33 AM

Thanks bacquito... that is the best description I have found so far.
Who knows what it is... just know that it is causing some sleepless nights for
all of us. Hard to diagnose as symptoms are different on all 4 of them...
only one that is consistent is the scratching!!!!:no:
Another vet apt this afternoon. Hopefully scraping will tell the story.

Selkie - 8-26-2007 at 08:40 AM

Sarcoptic mange can be treated with ivermectin in 2 separate injections. Over the counter product called Revolution, applied every 2 weeks for 3 treatments is very effective. NEVER EVER USE MOTOR OIL !!!!
Gail Todd DVM

bajamigo - 8-26-2007 at 09:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Mix sulphur with motor oil and smear it on the mangey areas.:bounce: It's messy, nasty, and smelly, but will rid the dog of mange.:bounce:


Here's a quote from www.marvistavet.com. While it talks about dipping, the risk of the animal licking areas where motor oil is applied seems pretty drastic.

WE WISH IT WASN’T NECESSARY TO ADD THIS

In older times, some 30 years ago, dipping dogs with demodectic mange in motor oil was a popular home remedy. Skin exposure to motor oil can cause rashes and skin destruction in severe cases. The hydrocarbons can be absorbed through the skin and cause a dangerous drop in blood pressure. If motor oil is licked off the coat, resultant vomiting can lead to aspiration of motor oil into the lungs and pneumonia. Kidney and liver damage can result from motor oil dipping.


PLEASE: DO NOT DIP YOUR DOG IN MOTOR OIL!



[Edited on 8-26-2007 by bajamigo]

roundtuit - 8-26-2007 at 09:56 AM

Go to local Vet or feed store and buy some BAG BALM . Have had excellent results with it on hot spots.

Cypress - 8-26-2007 at 12:49 PM

Had a pack of Walker hounds down in Dixieland for several years.:spingrin:Dipping and and swabbing hounds with this and that to rid them of mange or fleas was a real pain.:spingrin:A creosote dip would rid 'em of fleas, usually got more on me than on the dogs. Those Walker hounds would run for ever.:D

bent-rim - 8-26-2007 at 05:41 PM

I promise not to use motor oil on my dog, unless she throws a rod.

Al G - 8-26-2007 at 08:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajamigo
Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Mix sulphur with motor oil and smear it on the mangey areas.:bounce: It's messy, nasty, and smelly, but will rid the dog of mange.:bounce:


Here's a quote from www.marvistavet.com. While it talks about dipping, the risk of the animal licking areas where motor oil is applied seems pretty drastic.

WE WISH IT WASN’T NECESSARY TO ADD THIS

In older times, some 30 years ago, dipping dogs with demodectic mange in motor oil was a popular home remedy. Skin exposure to motor oil can cause rashes and skin destruction in severe cases. The hydrocarbons can be absorbed through the skin and cause a dangerous drop in blood pressure. If motor oil is licked off the coat, resultant vomiting can lead to aspiration of motor oil into the lungs and pneumonia. Kidney and liver damage can result from motor oil dipping.


PLEASE: DO NOT DIP YOUR DOG IN MOTOR OIL!



[Edited on 8-26-2007 by bajamigo]

I am reading this thread sorta late...it is good you are posting this warning. I do not believe there are any marooons on this board that would take sulfur and motor oil seriously. I know you are trying to be nice, but it is totally irresponsible to post crap like that.

Al G - 8-26-2007 at 09:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marie-Rose
Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this nasty mite.

When we left Baja in May, our 14 yr old Heeler started having problems with itching...
patches of areas that looked like hot spots where had chewed the fur. Widespread.
The vet here treated him with pretension and some antibiotics. We have been fighting
the problem all summer. During this time, late May... our new baja dog (9mts) developed sarcoptic mange and was treated successfully. Last scrappings in June were neg. NOW, our 9 yr old Baja mutt has been scratching, generalized pruritis, and our
daughters 2 yr old Baja mutt is starting as well:no::no:

Has anyone had experience with this type of thing???? Could it be that the old guy (Aussie dog, not hubby:tumble:) brought the mite home??? Thought it was mainly the young pups that had it.... We were told they were not contagious??????

Any info appreciated... vets here not really familiar.


I was going to post a warning to you as I battled this with two dogs and 1 cat in Todos Santos Last Jan-May...older dog did not make it...it is rampant there. I forgot to say in my rant post about Motor oil...that this can be transmitted to humans. Both Chuck and Suzanne contracted it. I was the only one in the group that did not get it. Use gloves and do not allow your skin to come into contact with the dogs. also the vet in Todos Santos has no clue what mange is...they blame him for the death of Bandit...

Marie-Rose - 8-27-2007 at 07:21 AM

Thanks Al
Just wondering if you would feel comfortable saying which vet it was... or was it his assistant? I know we have treated some of the neighbors dogs so I should hope he knows what he is dealing with.
Too late for no contact!!! The old guy has been fighting it for almost 2 months they have been snuggled and cuddled for weeks!!! So far so good, no evidence of any rashes etc.
Day 2 since injection and I believe there may be a bit less itching but certainly not over yet. I really need a good night's sleep!!!!!

Al G - 8-27-2007 at 07:37 AM

Sorry Marie-Rose...noy good at names, but he is the Vet not the assistant, I know I am not a lot of help...we went to the shelter and used the Vet that comes on wedenday...if you need the names for sure I will email Suzanne. the last vet was in La Paz. He put them on a series of 3 shots spaced at 2 weeks and a daily pill...plus every three day baths with a green bottle soap. Suzanne and Chuck were on a pill with showers and swab down with a liquid...bed sheets washed daily. this lasted a month and a half. Chuck was the worst...covered over half his body. Let me know and I will contact Suzanne for names and meds...

Cypress - 8-27-2007 at 07:39 AM

Guess my special creosote dip for ridding dogs of fleas is lethal also.:O:lol:Was gonna share the recipe, but now....:O:tumble:

Al G - 8-27-2007 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Guess my special creosote dip for ridding dogs of fleas is lethal also.:O:lol:Was gonna share the recipe, but now....:O:tumble:


What is it about skin absorbing poison you don't understand:?::?:

Marie-Rose - 8-27-2007 at 04:57 PM

Thanks Al
If is the vet from el refugio in Pescadero I am familiar with him and quite frankly surprised that he was not able to diagnose. What a drag for you:no:

Bedman - 8-28-2007 at 12:07 AM

Not sure if the two types of mange are related. When I used to be a cowboy and owned several horses, we had an old Palomino that came down with Mange. We treated it with a Sulphur salve that was 50% sulphur powder and (of all things) 50% Bacon Grease. We had tried Bag Balm and Corona salve. They both helped , but never cured it. Finally an old cowboy recommended the Bacon grease and sulphur. I'm not sure if the previous treatments of Bag Balm or Corona Salve helped (or worked) but, about 6 weeks after the Bacon grease Sulphur mixture, he started to grow hair and the mange had subsided. I imagine a dog might lick the grease and ingest the sulphur. The horse wasn't interested in it.

Bedman

Cypress - 8-28-2007 at 06:15 AM

Bedman. For horses, I mix baby oil and suphur.:spingrin: It works.:spingrin:

BCSTech - 8-28-2007 at 06:49 PM

The Vets in TS (Franzoni, Gabriel, et al.) sometimes have trouble diagnosing mange mites for whatever reason. We have a dog with recurring problems that came up negative in a couple of skin scrapes here. Took him to our US vet and, sure enuf, he had it. Also, treatment and medications seem to be a little better in the US.

Al G - 8-28-2007 at 08:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marie-Rose
Thanks Al
If is the vet from el refugio in Pescadero I am familiar with him and quite frankly surprised that he was not able to diagnose. What a drag for you:no:

This Vet is fine...it is the one in town 1 block west of Baraja tacos...pink building with paw prints...I think Alan is right "The Vets in TS (Franzoni, Gabriel, et al.) sometimes have trouble diagnosing mange mites "

He scraped both dogs twice and Nada...he said it was the dirt in TS...these dogs suffered for 3 months. Not to mention Chuck and Suzanne...cat too...no fun giving a cat shots:lol:

bajamigo - 8-29-2007 at 12:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Al G
Quote:
Originally posted by bajamigo
Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Mix sulphur with motor oil and smear it on the mangey areas.:bounce: It's messy, nasty, and smelly, but will rid the dog of mange.:bounce:


Here's a quote from www.marvistavet.com. While it talks about dipping, the risk of the animal licking areas where motor oil is applied seems pretty drastic.

WE WISH IT WASN’T NECESSARY TO ADD THIS

In older times, some 30 years ago, dipping dogs with demodectic mange in motor oil was a popular home remedy. Skin exposure to motor oil can cause rashes and skin destruction in severe cases. The hydrocarbons can be absorbed through the skin and cause a dangerous drop in blood pressure. If motor oil is licked off the coat, resultant vomiting can lead to aspiration of motor oil into the lungs and pneumonia. Kidney and liver damage can result from motor oil dipping.


PLEASE: DO NOT DIP YOUR DOG IN MOTOR OIL!



[Edited on 8-26-2007 by bajamigo]

I am reading this thread sorta late...it is good you are posting this warning. I do not believe there are any marooons on this board that would take sulfur and motor oil seriously. I know you are trying to be nice, but it is totally irresponsible to post crap like that.


I'm not trying to be nice, though you may want to consider making an effort in that direction yourself. JUST IN CASE someone mistakenly believes in the palliative effects of motor oil on animals, a quote from a highly respected veterinary site doesn't really seem to be "crap" or "totally irresponsible."

:yes:

???

bajaguy - 8-29-2007 at 12:17 PM

How about new Mobile One synthetic oil???

Cypress - 8-29-2007 at 12:26 PM

I'm a little bit confused, but all my K-9's and kitties are mange-free and healthy, thanks to motor oil and sulphur. :biggrin: Somebody questioned whether or not I'd swab my kids with oil and sulphur.:o My kids don't have mange.:biggrin:

Debra - 8-29-2007 at 12:31 PM

Oh boy, here we go..................

As a brand new dog owner (first dog in 30 plus years, short of being parinoid and keeping my mutt in a fish bowl, what should I do?) I'm not asking treatment, I'm asking provention., vacine, power?..........HELP! (cats are soooooooo much easier :?:)

Marie-Rose - 8-29-2007 at 04:24 PM

Debra
Congrats on the dog. Wouldn't be without ours... itching and all
:spingrin: If you look on the thread entitled "mange" Selkie (vet)
suggests Revolution... that's what I am going to try!!!!

BCSTech - 8-29-2007 at 04:49 PM

Quote:
I'm not asking treatment, I'm asking provention., vacine,
Keep your dog healthy with clean water, high-quality nutritional food, and love. Also, they can benefit from frequent baths to remove dead skin and hair.

Like with humans, good health is the best prevention for disease. Mange is an opportunistic disease in that it often attacks weaker dogs with compromised immune systems or other health problems. Once it gets started, it can pull down the dog's health even further.

Al G - 8-29-2007 at 09:14 PM

Quote:
Quote:
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Originally posted by bajamigo

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Mix sulphur with motor oil and smear it on the mangey areas.:bounce: It's messy, nasty, and smelly, but will rid the dog of mange.:bounce:


Here's a quote from www.marvistavet.com. While it talks about dipping, the risk of the animal licking areas where motor oil is applied seems pretty drastic.

WE WISH IT WASN’T NECESSARY TO ADD THIS

In older times, some 30 years ago, dipping dogs with demodectic mange in motor oil was a popular home remedy. Skin exposure to motor oil can cause rashes and skin destruction in severe cases. The hydrocarbons can be absorbed through the skin and cause a dangerous drop in blood pressure. If motor oil is licked off the coat, resultant vomiting can lead to aspiration of motor oil into the lungs and pneumonia. Kidney and liver damage can result from motor oil dipping.


PLEASE: DO NOT DIP YOUR DOG IN MOTOR OIL!



[Edited on 8-26-2007 by bajamigo]

I am reading this thread sorta late...it is good you are posting this warning. I do not believe there are any marooons on this board that would take sulfur and motor oil seriously. I know you are trying to be nice, but it is totally irresponsible to post crap like that.


I'm not trying to be nice, though you may want to consider making an effort in that direction yourself. JUST IN CASE someone mistakenly believes in the palliative effects of motor oil on animals, a quote from a highly respected veterinary site doesn't really seem to be "crap" or "totally irresponsible."

:yes:


You mis-read what I wrote...the above was meant for Cypress's recommendation for motor oil and sulfur...and he is still claiming it is OK:?::?::?: He has been told the dogs suffer, because of it, and still he makes claims as to the health of his animals. I say to him take a pad soaked in motor oil and sulfur and tape it to the inside of his wrist for 24 hours...for good measure take a tablespoon and drink it too. If it is good enough for his dogs it should be good enough for him...RIGHT:fire:

Edit: darn I just re-read my post and no wonder you were upset...it should have said...I know you are trying to be nice, but Cypress is totally irresponsible to post crap like that.
I apoligize...sometime my fingers tells my mind to shut-up for a minute..:biggrin:



[Edited on 8-30-2007 by Al G]

Al G - 8-29-2007 at 09:39 PM

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Quote:
Keep your dog healthy with clean water, high-quality nutritional food, and love. Also, they can benefit from frequent baths to remove dead skin and hair.

Like with humans, good health is the best prevention for disease. Mange is an opportunistic disease in that it often attacks weaker dogs with compromised immune systems or other health problems. Once it gets started, it can pull down the dog's health even further.

I agree with what you say...it makes good sense, but are you saying your animals will not attract mange mites from infected animals, if they are clean and healthy...:?: I am fairly sure Chuck and Suzanne were clean and healthy:lol:...they still got infected...their doctor took scrapings and they both had mites. I guess what I am getting at is some people will accept clean and healthy as immunity and will not worry about their animals or kids, being around other mangy animals...
Sorry if I misunderstood...animals are important to me.

mange

Selkie - 8-30-2007 at 06:50 AM

OK guys- I hope this clears things up.
Sarcoptic mange is caused by the sarcoptes mite. It is spread by direct contact. It will chew on people, but it won't live on you. It is intensely itching. Revolution will kill it.
Demodectic mange is caused by the demodex mite. It infects chronically ill animals, and I see it more commonly in young short-haired dogs. It is not contagious. Dogs itch only when they have secondary staph infection. Itching is nowhere near as intense. It is a lot more difficult to treat-may take a few months and more expensive. We have 2 different treatments for demodex: 4 dips with Amitraz each 2 weeks apart, or several months on ivermectin given orally.
Gail (Selkie)

BCSTech - 8-30-2007 at 06:52 AM

Many Vets believe almost all dogs and some humans have some mites. Sarcoptic Mange is definitely more contagious and harder to detect.

I'm certainly no Vet but here is some info about the presence of mange mites and their relationship to immunity and genetic predisposition:

Demodectic Mites and Mange

Sarcoptic Mites and Mange

[Edited on 8-30-2007 by BCSTech]

Cypress - 8-30-2007 at 07:18 AM

Being irresponsible and full of crap isn't all that bad.:D Only have one 12yr old Brittany. He's deaf, and has arthritis, when he crosses that bridge into dog heaven there'll be no more dogs for me.:D I'll never put oil and sulphur on a dog again.:D

bajamigo - 8-30-2007 at 07:23 AM

POSTED BY AL G:

"Edit: darn I just re-read my post and no wonder you were upset...it should have said...I know you are trying to be nice, but Cypress is totally irresponsible to post crap like that.
I apoligize...sometime my fingers tells my mind to shut-up for a minute.."

Al, no offense taken. I should have recognized the error myself.





[Edited on 8-30-2007 by bajamigo]

[Edited on 8-30-2007 by bajamigo]

Marie-Rose - 8-30-2007 at 04:53 PM

I think Baja pet lovers just need to realize that even their healthy well looked after dogs can easily get infected with sarcoptic mange. Looking back, our Heeler contracted this mite several weeks before we left and he was only out of our yard for his morning walks, rarely in contact with other dogs.
I will be using Revolution on all of our dogs... now another problem, don't believe we can get Revolution in Canada or Mexico. Can you buy it over the counter in the States?

bajamigo - 8-30-2007 at 05:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marie-Rose
I think Baja pet lovers just need to realize that even their healthy well looked after dogs can easily get infected with sarcoptic mange. Looking back, our Heeler contracted this mite several weeks before we left and he was only out of our yard for his morning walks, rarely in contact with other dogs.
I will be using Revolution on all of our dogs... now another problem, don't believe we can get Revolution in Canada or Mexico. Can you buy it over the counter in the States?


Try this link:

http://www.1800petmeds.com/pselect.asp?LV=201&PG=Revolut...

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by bajamigo]

Al G - 8-30-2007 at 05:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Being irresponsible and full of crap isn't all that bad.:D Only have one 12yr old Brittany. He's deaf, and has arthritis, when he crosses that bridge into dog heaven there'll be no more dogs for me.:D I'll never put oil and sulphur on a dog again.:D


Thank you Cypress...Dogs (all animals)are our dear friends...we should never treat them any different then our children...I think I am near your age and have waited a very long time so I could a friend/child again... Being single and working all the time to retire would not be fair...I would not be able to concentrate at work. I hope you change your mind about another dog...