BajaNomad - Border Closure 8/31/07

Border Closure 8/31/07

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fdt - 8-29-2007 at 08:39 AM

Please take note!
This comming friday the 31st, there will be massive manifestations at all border crossings everywere so there will be no crossing in either direction from 9AM for 6 hours.
Just thought I'd let you know.
http://www.frontera.info/edicionimpresa/suscripciones3/EdImp...

[Edited on 9-1-2007 by BajaNomad]

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 08:40 AM

Not even walking across

Stickers - 8-29-2007 at 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fdt
Please take note!
This comming friday the 31st, there will be massive manifestations at all border crossings everywere so there will be no crossing in either direction from 9AM for 6 hours.
Just thought I'd let you know.
http://www.frontera.info/edicionimpresa/suscripciones3/EdImp...

FDT, thanks for the timely heads up but please explain (translate)? What is causing the manifestations.

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losfrailes - 8-29-2007 at 08:47 AM

Teachers strike again!

BornFisher - 8-29-2007 at 08:50 AM

Thanks for that!

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 08:59 AM

Yes, the teachers again.

DianaT - 8-29-2007 at 09:29 AM

Is it just Tijuana?

Debra - 8-29-2007 at 09:46 AM

Quote:

Debra - 8-29-2007 at 09:47 AM

Can't figure out how to use "Quote"

Anyway, FDT says "crossings" plural, and "everwhere"

Debra - 8-29-2007 at 09:49 AM

FDT, what to the teachers have against crossing the border? Does it have something to do with passport issues?

DianaT - 8-29-2007 at 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Debra
Can't figure out how to use "Quote"

Anyway, FDT says "crossings" plural, and "everwhere"

Including the mainland?

BajaWarrior - 8-29-2007 at 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Debra
FDT, what to the teachers have against crossing the border? Does it have something to do with passport issues?

I believe it has something to do with the awareness of their complaints. Blocking the border will attract more attention.

We're crossing at Mexicali East on Friday a.m. Looks like we'll have to cross a little earlier to avoid delays...

[Edited on 8-29-2007 by BajaWarrior]

Debra - 8-29-2007 at 09:55 AM

Don't know, I guess we will have to wait for FDT to explaine. I'm wondering too.

Debra - 8-29-2007 at 09:57 AM

Seems that blocking to border will just make people mad at them and not help getting sympothay for whatever their complaints might be.

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 10:56 AM

They did the same thing a couple of months back. Traffic backed up the freeway on the US side and back into Tijuana on the Mexico side. I just made it through going south as they were just setting up. The lanes north at the gates were empty.

bajamigo - 8-29-2007 at 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdtrotter
Is it just Tijuana?

I heard it was to be a national strike and that all crossings would be closed.

Later edit: the article Ferna provided the link for says all 16 crossings will be affected.

[Edited on 8-29-2007 by bajamigo]

toneart - 8-29-2007 at 11:33 AM

This is really a shame! Teaching is such a noble calling. It's virtue shouldn't be diminished by a strike which hurts or inconveniences other people.

These kinds of strikes should be reserved in matters where the potential destruction of the world is a risk; NOT where personal grievences are concerned. This is not correct collective bargaining. I believe they will sour world opinion and be counter productive.

Too bad....it is the children who lose.

bajamigo - 8-29-2007 at 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
This is really a shame! Teaching is such a noble calling. It's virtue shouldn't be diminished by a strike which hurts or inconveniences other people.

These kinds of strikes should be reserved in matters where the potential destruction of the world is a risk; NOT where personal grievences are concerned. This is not correct collective bargaining. I believe they will sour world opinion and be counter productive.

Too bad....it is the children who lose.

Totally agree withe you, toneart. Unfortunately, it is a tried and true manner of protest. I had to take my daughter out of the Philadelphia public school system where the strikes were so frequent that she would have been lucky to get out of high school with the necessary credits by age 30.

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 11:42 AM

Toneart........

Yes, the children do lose but they arn't the only ones. A lot, if not most, of the border traffic is crossing for important personal reasons. Appointments, work, family etc. This is a huge disruptiion. Kind of like building a fence which the teachers would be among the first to say is inhuman but, I guess it's OK when they do it because they're teachers who would rather go out and play in the street than teach.

bajamigo - 8-29-2007 at 11:44 AM

Dennis, I'm predicting the backup on the "5" will reach Solano Beach. What say you?

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 11:49 AM

Hard to say but, the media in US border areas would be remiss to not bring this to the attention of the public, and I don't mean page three. I'm sure that would save a lot of misery.

oldhippie - 8-29-2007 at 11:51 AM

My wife says it's mostly about their medical insurance benefits. She says they have actually lost some benefits and want it to be the way it was.

Don't we all (both sides of the border) want health care cost to be the way it was? It just ain't that way no more.

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 12:51 PM

Sorry, I'm back and yes, it will be at all border crossings in the country so don't think that by going to Tecate you'll be ok neither going thru Juarez, it's stay put for 6 hours and they will not be stoped according to them and the Federales say that they have no orders to stop the and I say Federales because the areas by the borders and bridges are federal, city and state are not involved. They are also saying that in order to prevent from beeing stoped, they will not do a march or assemble to get to the borders, they will all come from different places and just show up.
And just so you know IMHMO they are very wrong, all that they do is have the kids miss school and why? Political, nothing more, yes, the retirement age was raised one year, big wow instead of 48 now it's 49. I don't see you from the USA blocking the borders and you have it at 65. And another thing that is stupid, it does not affect those that are already working at all, only those that start new. P..inch..e Lopez Obrador :!:

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fdt
P..inch..e Lopez Obrador :!:

Allow me a momentary hijacking. In September, a book about Lopez Obrador will be released. "Mexican Messiah" by George Grayson. Be forewarned that it appears to be supportive of the man called AMLO. All points of view are worth reading.

Now, back to our regular programing.

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
"Mexican Messiah"

Mexican Messiah :lol:

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 01:20 PM

Ferna......
Is he still out there causing trouble?

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Ferna......
Is he still out there causing trouble?

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 01:26 PM

I find interesting that the US press has'nt said anything about this.

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 01:32 PM

The US press is best used in fish markets.

woody with a view - 8-29-2007 at 01:42 PM

now i've gotta problem. was planning on leaving work at noon and crossing at 1pm.... :?:

i guess it'll be no work friday!!!!! :bounce:

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 01:43 PM

Ah, Woody........You are a problem solver.

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 01:49 PM

The note sais starting at 9AM for 6 hours, so arround 3PM.

DanO - 8-29-2007 at 02:36 PM

Thanks for the heads up, Ferna. I'll have to head down tomorrow night as well and miss work Friday. Silver lining -- more time in Baja.

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 02:45 PM

Wow, looks like for some it will be more Baja Time, good for you.

showtime Fri

BornFisher - 8-29-2007 at 03:01 PM

tune here for the show!!

http://www.tijuana.gob.mx/garita/

JZ - 8-29-2007 at 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fdt
Sorry, I'm back and yes, it will be at all border crossings in the country so don't think that by going to Tecate you'll be ok neither going thru Juarez

What is the source of this info. The link in your first post seems to limit it to the TJ area.

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 03:53 PM

It's supposed to be at every border crossing. And as for the source, kids have no school all over the country.

bajabound2005 - 8-29-2007 at 07:10 PM

and this should stay at the top of today's posts!!!

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 07:21 PM

Well then, just give it an occasional "BUMP".

Bob H - 8-29-2007 at 07:35 PM

fdt, thank you so much for posting this information. It will save a lot of people on this forum a whole lot of frustration. Now we can make a plan and work around all of this mess. I am passing it on to all of my local Mexican/American friends who live here in San Diego and own property in Baja and could be impacted by this.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Oh, and thank you!
Bob H

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 07:42 PM

My pleasure. Sorry about this, these are the people that teach our children, I have a lot of faith in this country, but sometimes I have to say or ask , "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON".
I appologise for the bad example the teachers are setting, as I, they will die and pass some day.
"Perdonen las molestias que estos pendejos les hagan pasar"

DENNIS - 8-29-2007 at 07:56 PM

It's the authorities who allow this ...............

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 08:01 PM

"Es un desmadre"
Translation
=
I'ts a dis-mother
:lol:

Oso - 8-29-2007 at 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fdt
the retirement age was raised one year, big wow instead of 48 now it's 49. I don't see you from the USA blocking the borders and you have it at 65. And another thing that is stupid, it does not affect those that are already working at all, only those that start new. P..inch..e Lopez Obrador :!:

Ferna, it WAS 65, and still is for those pulling the plug right now. But I am in the first wave to get screwed out of a year. It will be 66 for me and goes up again for those to follow me. :mad:

fdt - 8-29-2007 at 08:11 PM

Entonces "Done quiera se cuecen Abas"

DavidT - 8-29-2007 at 10:28 PM

One of the local TV stations in San Diego noted that San Ysidro north and south bound and Otay Mesa northbound will close at 8:30AM. Otay Mesa southbound might close. No info from them on Tecate, etc.

Heard this morning

The Gull - 8-30-2007 at 06:54 AM

CHP has issued a warning that THEY will be stopping ALL southbound traffic at the border crossings. No other details. Check with CHP for details.

bajamigo - 8-30-2007 at 07:52 AM

Here's an article from today's San Diego Fishwrap:

More Tijuana news

Union set to block ports of entry
Mexican teachers protesting pension

By Anna Cearley

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

August 30, 2007

TIJUANA – A Mexican teachers union plans to block ports of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border tomorrow to protest changes to federal employee pension plans.

The demonstrations could affect U.S. tourists heading south for the Labor Day weekend. Demonstrations are planned locally for the ports of entry at San Ysidro, Otay Mesa, Tecate, Mexicali and Algodones. In June, thousands of protesting teachers shut down north-and southbound traffic at San Ysidro for several hours, creating major backups on both sides of the border.

Catalina Heredia, a member of the union, said organizers were debating whether to block southbound traffic into Mexico.

Some local reports have quoted organizers as saying they would be blocking north-and southbound lanes. Other organizers have been quoted as saying they would be blocking only northbound traffic.

Local organizers say the demonstration will last four to six hours, starting about 9 a.m.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials are warning travelers to avoid the San Diego-area crossings tomorrow morning. Vince Bond, an agency spokesman, said the ports will remain open, but the San Ysidro pedestrian bridge could be closed temporarily.

California authorities are planning to close all southbound traffic lanes on Interstates 5 and 805 south of state Route 905, near the San Ysidro port of entry, at 8:30 a.m. Route 905 also could be closed during the demonstration. [italics mine]

Baja California tourism officials said they are hoping the union will call off the demonstrations. “If it doesn't, it will create problems,” said Ives Lelevier, deputy secretary of tourism for Baja California. He recommended that travelers stay informed of developments.

The teachers are protesting a new Mexican law that requires teachers and other public-sector employees to pay higher pension premiums and to work longer. President Felipe Calderón pushed hard for the changes, which include the establishment of private retirement accounts. The government says the reforms are needed to prevent the system from collapsing.

The crossings are heavily used each weekday by commuters, students and tourists. An average of about 150,000 people a day cross at the San Ysidro port of entry. An estimated 45,000 to 50,000 cars, 25,000 to 30,000 pedestrians and 200 buses make the daily crossing there, U.S. authorities said.

Anna Cearley: (619) 542-4595; anna.cearley@uniontrib.com

Find this article at:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070830-9...

http://signonsandiego.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?acti... 8/30/2007

U.S. warns of border shutdown in San Diego during protests

SUNDOG - 8-30-2007 at 09:00 AM

UPDATE

U.S. warns of border shutdown in San Diego during protests

ASSOCIATED PRESS

6:51 p.m. August 29, 2007

SAN DIEGO – All vehicle and pedestrian traffic at the city's border crossings may be blocked Friday during demonstrations in Mexico over that country's pension laws, U.S. authorities said.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection on Wednesday urged travelers to avoid the border crossings during the protests, citing Mexican news reports that traffic in both directions may be blocked for up to six hours at San Ysidro, the nation's busiest border crossing, and at Otay Mesa.

The California Highway Patrol plans to close all southbound traffic on interstates 5 and 805 just north of the San Ysidro crossing at 8:30 a.m. Friday. CBP will close the crossing's pedestrian bridge.
State Highway 905 southbound lanes near the Otay Mesa crossing may also close, CBP said.

Cargo traffic at the Otay Mesa is unlikely to be affected, CBP said.

In June, about 10,000 demonstrators in Mexico briefly blocked traffic between San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. The demonstrators, many of them teachers, protested a Mexican law passed earlier this year that raises the retirement age for workers to 60 from 50 and introduces individual retirement savings accounts for government workers.

An average of about 30,000 pedestrians, 35,000 vehicles and 250 buses enter the U.S. each day at San Ysidro, making it the country's busiest crossing by far.

FNS Special: The Border Boils with Protest.

Baja Bernie - 8-30-2007 at 02:42 PM

For those who would rather stick their heads in the sand PLEASE do not read any further

Here is only some of what they are doing…The question is what is the U.S. going to do?

When they start throwing "Marcos" name around they are using code name for revolution.....and ‘possibly indirectly
inviting’ Hugo Chavez to stick his big nose into the area.

I just crossed the border, northbound and there will be a closure
tomorrow....both at San Ysidro and Otay Mesa.

Subject: FNS Special Report: The Border Boils with Protest

August 28, 2007

Political/Immigration News

The Border's Summer of Discontent

It's as if all the contradictions of the US War on Terror, immigration
reform, US-Mexico relations, free trade, and sagging economies on both
sides of the border have burst at the seams, and at the same time. As the
record hot summer of 2007 crawls to a close, the political barometer on
the US-Mexico border is tipping red. Barely a day goes by without hunger
strikes, human chains, border crossing demonstrations, marches, and calls
for economic boycotts.

In a press conference this week, Carlos Marentes, director of the El
Paso-based Border Agricultural Workers Project, said "neo-liberal"
economic policies exemplified by the North American Free Trade Agreement
(Nafta) are sparking a growing crisis in the borderlands and beyond. He
contended that US immigration laws and policies are shrouded in a veil of
"hypocrisy" which views immigrant workers as an indispensable, cheap labor
pool but then turns them into convenient political scapegoats. "We want to
stop them, but we also need them," Marentes said.

While border protests are hardly new, what's striking about the latest
manifestations of discontent is how they are cutting across the political
spectrum and even incorporating centrist and conservative forces that are
increasingly frustrated by a status quo dictated in Washington and Mexico
City.

In the wake of the US Congress' failure to pass comprehensive immigration
reform legislation this year, several developments are rekindling citizen
activism. Among the most important are the construction of new border
walls, long waits at border crossings, the Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) crackdown on undocumented workers, the deaths of
detained immigrants while in US custody, Border Patrol shootings, and the
August 19 deportation of activist Elvira Arellano.

The August 8 shooting of Jose Alejandro Ortiz by the US Border Patrol in
El Paso, Texas, unleashed a wave of indignation on the border and in
Mexico. Ortiz, who reportedly had a criminal record in both the US and
Mexico, was allegedly involved in an attempt to smuggle immigrants when he
was fatally shot.

According to the Border Patrol's account, Ortiz threatened to throw a rock
at a still-unidentified agent, who was forced to fire in self-defense at
the young man. At least one witness contradicted the official version, and
the local US attorney's office is investigating the killing. Since Ortiz
supposedly died south of the border, Mexico's Office of the Federal
Attorney General has also opened an investigation. The Ortiz shooting was
the fifth time El Paso Border Patrol agents have shot an undocumented
person this year, but the first fatal incident of 2007.

Ortiz's killing was condemned in strong language by Ciudad Juarez Bishop
Renato Ascensio Leon, Chihuahua Governor Jose Reyes Baeza, Chihuahua State
Attorney General Patricia Gonzalez and members of the federal Mexican
Congress. On Saturday, August 25, several federal congressmen from
President Calderon's center-right National Action Party leafleted
motorists crossing the Bridge of Americas between Ciudad Juarez and El
Paso. Two days earlier, Ortiz family members and supporters burned a
Border Patrol pinata at another bridge linking the two cities.

El Paso Democratic Congressman Silvestre Reyes, who headed the
El Paso Border Patrol office during the 1990s, said an investigation of
the Ortiz killing was necessary but challenged critics he said downplayed
the seriousness of rock-throwing against agents. "Anybody who thinks you
can't get killed by a rock is a fool," Congressman Reyes said at an El
Paso border security conference.

The construction of new US border walls is another issue stoking anger in
the region. While proponents of physical barriers insist the walls will
guard against terrorists, deter illegal immigrants and curb drug
traffickers, opponents, including most Texas border city mayors, contend
the million-dollar structures will divide sister cities, intrude on
private lands, create flood hazards, threaten ecosystems and wildlife like
rare jaguars, and funnel undocumented immigrants to deadlier, isolated
desert crossings.

Isabel Garcia of the Tucson-based Human Rights Coalition, said more than
200 migrants have died trying to cross the border in the Arizona-Sonora
corridor alone since October of last year. The Arizona-Sonora border is
"the epicenter of the war on immigrants," Garcia charged.

In opposition to border walls, a Texas-based group called Border
Ambassadors kicked off a 16-day campaign August 25 in El Paso. Led by Jay
J. Johnson-Castro, the group organized a small human chain across the
Santa Fe Bridge between El Paso and Ciudad Juarez.

The demonstration was supported by the League for United Latin American
Citizens, Miss Latina Texas beauty contest queens and the mayors of El
Paso and Ciudad Juarez. El Paso Mayor Cook said that people outside the
region don't understand the "symbiotic relationship" between border
communities dependent on mutual economic, academic and social exchanges.
Border Ambassadors plans human chains in the coming days in other
Texas-Mexico border cities.

A separate anti-wall mobilization is planned for October 11-13. Endorsed
by 37 Western Hemisphere non-governmental groups, the action grows out of
last year's Border Social Forum held in Ciudad Juarez. Protest organizers
include San Antonio's Southwest Workers Union, the Border Agricultural
Workers Union, Southwest Organizing Project, and many others.

Economic grievances remain are the core of many border-area protests.
Former Bracero Program guestworkers, for instance, are renewing demands
that the Mexican government compensate all the eligible braceros who had
money deducted from their paychecks decades ago for savings accounts that
never materialized.

On Monday, August 27, nine women initiated a week-long hunger strike in El
Paso against the North American Free Trade Agreement, the conditions of
women workers and treatment of immigrants in the US. Organized by La Mujer
Obrera, a longtime group of former garment industry workers, the hunger
strikers demand investment in women-centered economic development
enterprises.

In Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez, meanwhile, thousands of teachers are
expected to hold a border demonstration August 31 to protest the Mexican
government's passage of a new social security law that lengthens
retirement age eligibility requirements and sets the stage for the
privatization of pension accounts.

Building on a trend that's developed over the past few years, the latest
round of border activism is connected to issues affecting communities
across North America. In Prince William County, Virginia, the Sin
Fronteras organization launched an economic boycott this week to protest a
new county law that gives local police immigration law enforcement
responsibilities.

In an August 27 telephone press conference, representatives of several
US-based human rights and Latino and Asian community organizations
criticized the expansion of law enforcement measures once confined to the
border region to the interior of the United States. Activist leaders
condemned house-to-house ICE raids, alleged detention center abuses,
employer verification letters, the use of local police forces to enforce
immigration laws, and the appearance of high-tech aircraft monitoring
communities far from the border.

Immigrant communities are in a "state of siege," charged Christian Ramirez
of the American Friends Service Committee. Activists are "now calling for
our communities to come together and say enough to these governmental
initiatives," Ramirez added.

Veronica Carmona, an organizer for the New Mexico-based Colonias
Development Council, told Frontera NorteSur that pro-immigrant groups are
backing a national day of action for September 12. Carmona said the
character of the protest is still being debated.

If cross-border activism needed a media face, Elvira Arellano certainly
provided it. The undocumented Mexican worker's long fight to remain with
her child, a US citizen, was abruptly interrupted when ICE agents arrested
Arellano as she was leaving a Los Angeles press conference this month.
Arellano's rapid deportation to Mexico drew the protest of the Mexican
government.

Arellano's arrest injected new life into the immigrant rights movement,
and thousands of people streamed into the streets of Los Angeles on August
25 chanting "We are all Elvira," a slogan evocative of the 1994 cry in
Mexico, "We are all Marcos," in allusion to the Zapatista subcomandante.
The Arellano case received ample coverage and touched off sharp commentary
in the Mexican media, with some outlets proclaiming the young woman as the
"symbol" of the Mexican immigrant in the US.

Additional sources: Univison, August 18 and 27, 2008. El Universal, August
26, 2007. Article by Julieta Martinez. El Sur, August 26, 2007. Norte,
August 14, 16, 25 and 26, 2007. Articles by Ricardo Espinoza, Antonio
Flores Schroeder, Pablo Hernandez Batista, Jorge Chairez Daniel and Carlos
Huerta. La Jornada, August 11, 21 and 26, 2007. Articles by Ruben
Villalpando, the Notimex news agency and editorial staff. El Paso Times,
August 21, 24, 25 and 26, 2007. Articles by Daniel Borunda, Louie Gilot
and Adriana M. Chavez. Lapolaka.com, August 9, 14, 25, 26, 27, 2007. El
Diario de Juarez, August 9, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 2007.
Frontera NorteSur (FNS): on-line, U.S.-Mexico border news
Center for Latin American and Border Studies
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico

rpleger - 8-30-2007 at 03:08 PM

Oh, oh

Hook - 8-30-2007 at 03:31 PM

Damn, I should have bought in an enclave.

Somebody thinks that NAFTRA is a "neo-liberal" plot? Quite the opposite, IMO.

Can somebody tell me if LULAC is a 501(c) (3) organization? I already know they are racist...........just wondering if they are allowed to be this political.

Yep, it's all the United States' fault............ :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 8-30-2007 at 03:33 PM

Gee whiz.

toneart - 8-30-2007 at 04:19 PM

Regardless of what you, I or anyone here thinks, the reality of the situation is upon us. We have to see it from the Mexican's point of view.

We are seen as racist.
The wall is a hostle offense.
Shootings of illegals, separation of a mother and child by deportation, are all seen as affronts to Mexicans.

Don't you find it odd that Bush's base is so vocal and anti-immigrado, and not understanding of Mexican culture, and yet they get no support from Bush?...Only lip service. The status quo is just fine with the Bush Administration. The cheap labor fills a need. That's just pragmatic.

You think you are fed up? That's nothing compared to the backlash to our hostile attitudes that is building.

Bush is doing irreparable harm to our relations with the rest of the world. By alienation, he is isolating us. NAFTA is unfair trade. Who does it benefit? Not people. He is also leaving you guys who voted for him and still support him, out in the cold.

Shock and Awe doesn't work. It just kills people.
You guys are slow to get it. Ours is a failed government....not of and for the people. Genius!

Violence begets violence. Your guy did say, "Bring it on". Well, here it comes, from all fronts. Better readjust your attitudes.

Hook - 8-30-2007 at 04:32 PM

Here's a cheerful little article that came out today.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back707.html

sorry, but

woody with a view - 8-30-2007 at 04:39 PM

Quote:

We have to see it from the Mexican's point of view.

WE don't have to see nothing from anyone's point of view! i can't wait until some enterprising AMERICANS decide to shut down san ysidro crossing one day!!! the mexicans will HOWL, "racist gringos!" who cares what anyone thinks? i don't care.......

now i'll go prepare my stuff for the early a.m. border crossing to spend 5 days south of the border. you know, spend a couple of three hundred dollars, spread all up and down the hiway, and then GO HOME. i won't stay and expect the mexican govt to pay for my hospital bills, edumicate my kids, etc....ad nauseum!!!!!

sorrry, lotta packing to do......

oldhippie - 8-30-2007 at 05:00 PM

Look at the bright side, this might slow down the gringofication and canuckification of baja.

Especially if the average Mexican decides he/she hates norte americanos and crossing the border becomes even more difficult for everyone.

woody with a view - 8-30-2007 at 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldhippie
Look at the bright side, this might slow down the gringofication and canuckification of baja.

Especially if the average Mexican decides he/she hates norte americanos and crossing the border becomes even more difficult for everyone.

one can only hope they are that smart....

toneart - 8-30-2007 at 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
Here's a cheerful little article that came out today.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back707.html

Very interesting! I will refute some of the study's premise:

It is based on census projections, based on current rate of influx. This is only one factor that could determine what our quality of life will be. Other factors are overpopulation in general, survival of our ecosystem and what effect future wars will have.

Regarding statistics based on census projections, it doesn't take into account these factors:
Immigrants come because there is opportunity. Market conditions and degradation of quality of life will also cause many to stop coming. As things get tougher in the United States, many of our population will also seek to escape. (Get outta here....I saw Baja first).
Even though population will increase, conditions will balance out.

Oh, life won't be as we know it today. It is doubtful it will be better here on earth. Space exploration and relocation could also enter into the equation. That doesn't sound very earthy, does it? Things will most certainly be different. Changes are accelerating at a pace never before experienced. Events in the very near future will grab our attention way before any census based projection materializes; events that we have not yet even conceived of.

Humans have survival built into our DNA. Even though us old farts won't be around, our progeny will, unless our present collision course with total destruction maintains. That course is what we need to be basing our future statistics on. Zero doesn't look very promising for our quality of life.

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by toneart]

My head hurts. I think I will go play leapfrog. :bounce:

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by toneart]

Hook - 8-30-2007 at 05:32 PM

And you dont see that the BEST solution to the problems of Mexican immigration is to provide the jobs where they live, rather than up here? I cant believe that, given a choice between entering a new culture with a strange language and working in the area their families live, they wouldnt choose the latter every time.

The immigration issue is as much a statement of the failings of the Mexico as it is about the opportunities of the US.

Many of us are tired of the blame-game directed at US citizens as racist, when there is PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER.

In the meantime, the middle class of American can no longer afford to foot all the legal and medical billls that illegal immigration brings.

Maybe if Mexico had to shell out for a true defense budget to protect her borders (instead of relying on US treaties for defense of her borders from external threats), she might feel the squeeze we are in.

Or, maybe if her super-rich, monopolizing ruling class had more compassion for her workers?

Space colonization wont make the burgeoning deficits of Medicare and Social Security go away, Toneart. That's our biggest threat, IMO.

bajamigo - 8-30-2007 at 05:33 PM

KOGO reported that Tecate may stay open. Any confirmations?

Be still my heart

Dave - 8-30-2007 at 05:36 PM

Quote:

I just crossed the border, northbound and there will be a closure
tomorrow....both at San Ysidro and Otay Mesa.

Just in time for "the holidays". Can't tell you how disappointed I am. :rolleyes:

Teach Mexico a lesson.

Stay home.

Please.

Osprey - 8-30-2007 at 05:54 PM

I've read the news item several times and this time I'm going to follow the lead of "Richard on the Hill", RPLEGER when he said "Oh, Oh." In the past he has sometimes given us clues like "Yep" or the very popular "Nope". I have not looked deep enough into his posts. He's on to something. I use hundreds of words and say nothing. He is an idea compactor, able to analyse, synthesize. This time he might have said "Duh?" or "What?" but he chose more carefully. Some of this news is very meaningful and I'm not back-tracking. From now on I'm gonna read his posts with a lot more interest.

capn.sharky - 8-30-2007 at 05:57 PM

Help!!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Taken from the link provided by Hook

Baja Bernie - 8-30-2007 at 08:58 PM

"The question for the nation is: Do we wish to go there?"

That is, indeed the question and I do believe that Americans should be allowed to make that decision, regardless of the fact that a few will sling the 'race' threat around.

I certainly do not believe that 'any other country' should be allowed to make that decision.......unless they defeat The United States first!

Simply put I am not a racist, but I do believe I am a vested member of a sovereign nation...namely the United States of America.

I am also a guest of the sovereign nation of Mexico...and I respect their laws and their sovereignty and I like the Mexican People.

toneart - 8-30-2007 at 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob

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We have to see it from the Mexican's point of view.

Well, there you go!

woody with a view - 8-30-2007 at 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart

Quote:

Originally posted by woody in ob

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We have to see it from the Mexican's point of view.

Well, there you go!

YES I DO, thank you VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!

fdt - 8-30-2007 at 10:11 PM

Governor sais he will do what ever it takes to stop the protest at the borders.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/30082...

fernando

woody with a view - 8-30-2007 at 10:17 PM

i have to chime in with a HUGE GRACIAS!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for the heads up!

Just a courtesy bump

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 08:15 AM

8AM and traffic is flowing, one hour left. Beware.

The Border Today

SUNDOG - 8-31-2007 at 08:48 AM

Have not seen the border like it is this morning for many moons.
http://www.bajasundog.com/bordercam.html

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 08:54 AM

Ok, it's closed!

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 08:55 AM

It's closed!

Hook - 8-31-2007 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by fdt
Ok, it's closed!

Yep. Closed by the CHP.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070831-0714-bn31b...

bajabound2005 - 8-31-2007 at 09:02 AM

absolutely nothing on the CHP website...

Hook - 8-31-2007 at 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajamigo
KOGO reported that Tecate may stay open. Any confirmations?

Can you imagine how impacted it will be IF it is open? No thanks.

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 09:23 AM

It could get ugly, Federal, State ad municipal police are beggining to form a human shield to prevent the protestors from getting to the border, they are of course armed.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/31082...

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 09:29 AM

Same in Mexicali
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/31082...

bajajudy - 8-31-2007 at 09:45 AM

Whoa, those pix on Sundogs web cam are amazing!

BajaBruno - 8-31-2007 at 09:54 AM

Apparently nobody told Customs, because on their CBP Border Wait Times (as linked through SunDog) it shows "no traffic" and "At 9am PDT
no delay, 21 lanes open"!!!!!!

Am I missing something here?

Bob H - 8-31-2007 at 10:21 AM

Here is a link to TJ border cams...

http://www.bravo.net/camera/

Bob H

Edit: Looks like they shut them down....

Here's another one...

http://www.weatherbonk.com/weather/camDetail.jsp?id=cam_1174...

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by Bob H]

oldhippie - 8-31-2007 at 10:28 AM

and another

http://www.bajasundog.com/bordercam.html

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 10:33 AM

These "teachers" should be so proud of themselves.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 10:40 AM

Seems like Sundog's border cams are out of operation. Actually, they belong to Telnor. Maybe shut down by "request"?

toneart - 8-31-2007 at 10:48 AM

Looking at Sundog's Livecams:
It looks like the T.J. police (or State) are doing the responsible thing. They have blocked traffic from getting anywhere near the actual border, since the protest was eminent. What I am wondering is, where are the protesters? Are the police effective in keeping them away from the border? Other reports said, "the police are armed; it could get ugly". Is the military there? The webcams showed a few police cars blocking the road.

bajadogs - 8-31-2007 at 10:48 AM

The 805 South is being re-routed to the 5 North
AND the 5 South is being re-routed to the 805 North.

Ooops! Hook's first link explains this.

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by bajadogs]

Hook - 8-31-2007 at 10:51 AM

Near as I can tell, the sundog cams are showing the EFFECTS of the CHP INDUCED closure of the border. It starts at the 905 junction with both the I-5 and 805, well north of the border.

Dont think the cams are showing the actual areas where the protestors hope(d) to be.

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
These "teachers" should be so proud of themselves.

Or just shot on the spot and start over?

toneart - 8-31-2007 at 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
Near as I can tell, the sundog cams are showing the EFFECTS of the CHP INDUCED closure of the border. It starts at the 905 junction with both the I-5 and 805, well north of the border.

Dont think the cams are showing the actual areas where the protestors hope(d) to be.

Hook,
I was referring to Sundog's (Telnor's) webcam which is showing the Tijuana side of the border. The pictures are dated today and show real time. No sign of the protesters.
They must be being held back in town, so far.

Antiriot police at the border

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 11:04 AM

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 11:05 AM

I should try out my live remote for the radio and just go down there and give you a live report.
It would be exciting!
What do you think?

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by fdt]

bajabound2005 - 8-31-2007 at 11:19 AM

GO!!!

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 11:26 AM

Ok, I'm on my way, Live in about 20 minutes from the border

edinnopolo - 8-31-2007 at 11:28 AM

We'll be waiting

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 11:33 AM

I see two viewers, so who is the other? ANd you you like my music better?.... Its an Ego thang, lol
This is Mrs.FDT by the way

Hook - 8-31-2007 at 11:41 AM

Hope he brought a motorcycle helmet or something.

Could be me!

TripleG - 8-31-2007 at 11:42 AM

Just a lurker keeping up on the Baja info.

Bajamatic - 8-31-2007 at 11:45 AM

sounding good, though no background dialog is audible.

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by Bajamatic]

Baja&Back - 8-31-2007 at 11:46 AM

5 by 5 here in Canada, eh.

You're clear as a bell!

bajajudy - 8-31-2007 at 11:49 AM

I am here but it is very hard to understand the person you are interviewing. You are coming in 5x5

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