The Road from Puerticitos to Hwy 1 to be Paved

Good Roads = Bad news for many who want Baja to remain undamaged by those who don't appreciate the beauty of the place and paint grafitti, leave trash behind and don't care about anyone but themselves.

Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible.

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Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible.

Road from Puertecitos to Lake Chapal

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Originally posted by David K Good Roads = Bad news for many who want Baja to remain undamaged by those who don't appreciate the beauty of the place and paint grafitti, leave trash behind and don't care about anyone but themselves. Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible.

I guess those selfish people who "don't care about anyone but themselves" and want pavement include the locals who can benefit from the road.

Yes, we love that road and for selfish reasons would like to see it stay the way it is today. For selfish reasons, we would also like to see the road to Bahia Asuncion not become "a paved road through a desert...."

Even though we have had broken materials and furniture from that road to Asuncion, the dirt road keeps it more isolated. But as pointed out by Shari, the locals see it differently, and I can't blame them. Most locals we have talked to want pavement sooner than later.

I think the most selfish attitude is to want it all to remain the way many of us have loved it for years---it provides us a real escape---a beautiful place to explore, a wilderness, quaint villages with great people, etc. ----but pavement can provide opportunities for the local people.

On the other hand, we have met some locals who don't want to see pavement in their areas---like the hotel owner in San Ignacio sees paving the road to the Lagoon as the end to his quaint and peaceful town, or the man who works on the Antelope Preserve near Asuncion who sees pavement as a threat to the environment and the Antelope.

It is now our second home, and we love it, but we know we are being selfish when we don't want to see change that may not serve our purpose, but will help the locals.

John and Diane

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Originally posted by jdtrotter Quote: Originally posted by David K Good Roads = Bad news for many who want Baja to remain undamaged by those who don't appreciate the beauty of the place and paint grafitti, leave trash behind and don't care about anyone but themselves. Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible. I guess those selfish people who "don't care about anyone but themselves" and want pavement include the locals who can benefit from the road. Yes, we love that road and for selfish reasons would like to see it stay the way it is today. For selfish reasons, we would also like to see the road to Bahia Asuncion not become "a paved road through a desert...." Even though we have had broken materials and furniture from that road to Asuncion, the dirt road keeps it more isolated. But as pointed out by Shari, the locals see it differently, and I can't blame them. Most locals we have talked to want pavement sooner than later. I think the most selfish attitude is to want it all to remain the way many of us have loved it for years---it provides us a real escape---a beautiful place to explore, a wilderness, quaint villages with great people, etc. ----but pavement can provide opportunities for the local people. On the other hand, we have met some locals who don't want to see pavement in their areas---like the hotel owner in San Ignacio sees paving the road to the Lagoon as the end to his quaint and peaceful town, or the man who works on the Antelope Preserve near Asuncion who sees pavement as a threat to the environment and the Antelope. It is now our second home, and we love it, but we know we are being selfish when we don't want to see change that may not serve our purpose, but will help the locals. John and Diane

the problem becomes, no, it is still as it has always been.....who's right?

is YOUR reality any better than theirs, or mine?

tomorrow never waits, hence we all shall see what the future holds...... one thing for sure....prayforsurf!!!!!

Our Backyard

Strange how so many can meet someone and have fond memories of the encounter, and others not...

Coco and our Baja 1000 group last November (The Squarecircle, Josh, Baja Angel and I):



Coco when Baja Angel met him Jan. 2, 2005... signing Coco's guest book...

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by David K]

You mean like all those people who have to stop there to have their tires fixed because of all the screws and nails that somehow have gotten onto the road.

Or all the people who get funneled onto his property before and during the baja mil so he can extort a few bucks from them>?

Or the people that stop there to buy something and get the royal treatment.

Or all the guys who's girlfriends he has groped when they stop by.

I guess he really is a legend.

[Edited on 31-8-2007 by Minnow]

True - but I have such a boring life that I like to point out the obvious.

Such children...

This was stated: "We love Gonzaga Bay and have never, and probably never will stop at Coco's Corner---met him once at Alphonsina's <sic> and didn't care much for the man---We know, that is like "attacking" a legend---just our opinion."

Which is fine... this board is to share observations about Baja. I could care less about what someone does with a sticker. I am not upset with jdtrotter, only disappointed that they don't think Nomad friendship is worth the time to clarify an obvious misunderstanding.

My opinion or observation about Coco is that he is a person who brings a lot more smiles to Baja travelers than others. Just so the newbies don't get just a bad impression of him is why I offered an other point of view.

Minnow, Coco offered free camping in his compound only to find a mess left by the off road racing spectators who stayed there. Coco has one leg as you know, and cleaning up after the healthy race fanatics was no fun.

So, the next time the 1000 passed his way, he decided to charge to camp in his camp area (like any other tourist area does)... Why is that hard to understand?

Is there anyone besides you who thinks Coco 'mines' the road to make tires go flat? He doesn't have a flat repair business... Laguna Chapala is 18 miles away and two places there fix flats.

It really doesn't matter what I say though, to you two, does it?

David

"such children" ????
Who the H do you think you are ??
You are talking to an audience that is older and many smarter than you !

"dissapointment in Trotters" - get off it !!

Why do you feel the need to challenge other folk's opinions and shove your own opinion down their throats and ?
Chill out dude; and apologize to the nice Nomads !!!

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OK, thats it Diver, no Got Baja for you!