BajaNomad - Presidente Caldron--"Wherever there is a Mexican," he said, "that is Mexico."

Presidente Caldron--"Wherever there is a Mexican," he said, "that is Mexico."

Baja Bernie - 9-8-2007 at 12:11 PM

Now that is really telling it like far too many folks see it.

Following that logic I guess that means that you ex-pats in Baja make Baja....the United States...somehow I don't believe that.

See link on his State of Mexico Address below for the quote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09...

Dave - 9-8-2007 at 03:05 PM

Bernie, you're behind the curve. Should we pull over and wait?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26636

Dave

Baja Bernie - 9-8-2007 at 03:29 PM

Can't stay ahead of the pack all of the time.....Still it is a different source so I'll just doddle along and remember that there have been so many statements like this from past Mexican Presidents that it appears to be an official policy.

No non-Mexican appears to care much about what...ah! shucks, just go ahead without me.....I don't much care either....Two of the grandkids are set because their last names are 'Villalobos' and the other one is a Jewish kid and I know he will land on his feet.

Paladin - 9-8-2007 at 03:45 PM

Well I guess I'll throw in a thought from Grasshopper.

This knowing that sometimes stupid comments get you tossed out of Mexico.

Where there is a Mexican, there is Mexico....

Well Fresno County is over 50% Mexican and I'm sure not having much fun here, the fishing sucks too, Dos XX's is also very expensive.

I'm glad to know the US isn't the only place with a President with a mouth not attached to his brain.

bajalou - 9-8-2007 at 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Paladin

Well Fresno County is over 50% Mexican and I'm sure not having much fun here,

What do you expect from a area that was once part of Mexico?

Dave - 9-8-2007 at 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Baja Bernie
there have been so many statements like this from past Mexican Presidents that it appears to be an official policy.

It IS official policy...and commendable. I wish that my government would say, "We've got your back".

I remember when holding a U.S. passport actually meant something.

DENNIS - 9-8-2007 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

It IS official policy...and commendable. I wish that my government would say, "We've got your back".

I remember when holding a U.S. passport actually meant something.

Under present day circumstances, it didn't seem commendable at all. Support for citizens abroad is in itself admirable, even responsible to be concerned for the rights and well-being of travelers on foriegn soil. These were not of whom he spoke. He gave his support and blessing to a huge group of his countrymen who have violated the laws of the United States with illegal entry. Right to the top, through the State Of The Nation address, he, speaking for Mexico, condoned that act. Condoned the act of breaking the laws of the United States. This is rhetoric for activists, not presidents. It was an international insult.

Paladin - 9-8-2007 at 06:07 PM

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It was an international insult.

Thank you

woody with a view - 9-8-2007 at 06:15 PM

WHERE'S THE FENCE?????

Point taken...

Dave - 9-8-2007 at 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
He gave his support and blessing to a huge group of his countrymen who have violated the laws of the United States with illegal entry.

However:

One wouldn't need their government's protection if one didn't run afoul of the law, would one? :rolleyes:

(However juvenile or selectively applied)

bajabound2005 - 9-8-2007 at 07:08 PM

Bernie! It's CaldEron (with an accent on the o)!!! Have you taken up writing for the Gringo Gazette?
See Dennis' post for reference!
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26633#pid2566...

and screw that fence.

DENNIS - 9-8-2007 at 07:11 PM

Well, Dave, I don't know. If one breaks a law in his own country, the government usually prosecutes rather than protects. It's the irony of all this crap that if one breaks the same law in a foriegn country, his government goes out of their way to offer protection. So, breaking laws ceases to be a moral issue. It turns into an issue of geography.

DENNIS - 9-8-2007 at 07:45 PM

Man...... If that gets twisted just a bit more..........

Golly bajabound2005--I am, I think, so sorry I offended you

Baja Bernie - 9-8-2007 at 08:32 PM

Even the spelling police don't normally give references...I do appreciate your efforts to educate me.

Would you please explain why I would wish to 'shrew' a fence.

DENNIS - 9-9-2007 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Even the spelling police don't normally give references...I do appreciate your efforts to educate me.

Would you please explain why I would wish to 'shrew' a fence.

Gotta get those glasses tuned up, Bernie.

DENNIS - 9-9-2007 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005

and screw that fence.

Maybe you can see it better now.

Dennis,

Baja Bernie - 9-9-2007 at 05:48 PM

Thank you for your offer of assistance.

I saw exactly what the lady wrote and I wrote exactly what I meant to write.

Minnow - 9-9-2007 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Bernie! It's CaldEron (with an accent on the o)!!! Have you taken up writing for the Gringo Gazette?
See Dennis' post for reference!
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26633#pid2566...

and screw that fence.

I am reporting this post as being, hostile, mean spirited, and intentionally meant to demean another poster. :lol:

DENNIS - 9-9-2007 at 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Minnow
I am reporting this post as being, hostile, mean spirited, and intentionally meant to demean another poster. :lol:

Yep. That's the beauty of it.

Iflyfish - 9-11-2007 at 12:55 AM

Guess we don't need those Mexicans any more eh? Great film Nomads, A Day Without Mexicans, you will enjoy it.

To some what is now called California, Texas and other names was once the normal seasonal migration route of peoples now living in what is called Mexico. Some actually believe that the land was stolen. Imagine that? Some even believe that those lands are actually still part of a country called Mexico. Guess some even have a view of a "manifest destiny" that would return those migration routes and land to their original uses and ownership. Odd thinking isn't it?

There are some who actually see Mexican migrant workers as heroes who have saved their families and villages from object poverty and want to support those people. Imagine a government that says to it's people who risk their very lives to obtain an income and support their families and villages in this land called Calfiornia etc., "no matter where you are We are with you and we honor and will try to protect you and your interests".

These words, though uninforceable, must feel good in the ears of a migrant worker, far from home who is afraid of what will become of him and his family in these new lands.

These words sound like "Give me your poor and huddled masses", which is of couse just lip service now.

Iflyfish

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 06:41 AM

The quote cited from the base of the Statue of Liberty is in error and taken from its context. The sentence from the sonnet ,"The New Colossus" continues...yearning to breathe free.
The message of the sonnet is one of people exiled and/or seeking freedom from religious and political oppression. It honors the United States and the millions of immigrants and refugees who endured, as an example, the painful process of Ellis Island to enter this the U.S. legally.

The U.S has been highly differentiated from most countries in the world by the strength and stability. It's Rule of Law has long been the cornerstone of that, exemplified in the vast majority of its population respecting the law.

Better I think for the President of any country to work 24/7 until HE drops in his tracks for the economic growth of his country rather than encourage his citizens to break the laws of another country.

oldhippie - 9-11-2007 at 06:59 AM

"The U.S has been highly differentiated from most countries in the world by the strength and stability. It's Rule of Law has long been the cornerstone of that, exemplified in the vast majority of its population respecting the law."

True and nicely said; but, I guess it's just my nature to ask you if you would have been a loyalist or revolutionary, if living in one of the original colonies in the mid-1700s.

Someone mentioned that what Calderon said is traditionally said by Mexican Presidents in their first speech to the nation. If true the alleged significance is lessened. I don't know what all the hubbub is about anyway.

[Edited on 9-11-2007 by oldhippie]

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 07:07 AM

I'm an Alden.

oldhippie - 9-11-2007 at 07:13 AM

Revolution it is!! You get my point though.

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 07:22 AM

I certainly do and it is well expressed and well taken. Including, by the way, the hubbub part. God help us when we immediately get our knickers in a twist with political rhetoric. It's difficult, I think, to be rational when your knickers are twisted.

oldhippie - 9-11-2007 at 07:26 AM

That's why I retired and live in boxer shorts and t-shirts all day. :cool:

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 07:30 AM

:lol:

Iflyfish - 9-11-2007 at 08:05 AM

Boxers it is if any is absolutely necessary.

I have watched the rule of law erode in this country in my life time but at least the rhetoric remains.

I stand corrected in my taking the quote out of context. You are right.

I do however want to point out that we all tend to be ethnocentric and often forget that other people are that way too.

Iflyfish

Hook - 9-11-2007 at 08:44 AM

I hope to join the Boxer Rebellion later this year.

But, as I will be working a lote into something inhabitable, it might offend the neighbors until some kind of structure is up.

Just fighting the exodus of Mexicans to the States by evening the score by two..........

oldhippie - 9-11-2007 at 08:57 AM

Boxer Rebellion - that's a good one.

"But, as I will be working a lote into something inhabitable, it might offend the neighbors until some kind of structure is up."

Just sew up the fly.

BajaBruno - 9-11-2007 at 09:37 AM

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I'm an Alden.

DearOldLady, you taught me something on the origin of the Statue's inscription, and for that I thank you, but what, may I ask, is an "Alden?" Maybe I'm just being dense. It wouldn't be the first time.

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 09:42 AM

Have some fun...check on some of the earliEST American history....I just gave you 2 clues. :lol:

BajaBruno - 9-11-2007 at 09:45 AM

Alden of the Mayflower? Are you a closet Pilgrim, DearOldLady? Sorry, I couldn't resist?

edinnopolo - 9-11-2007 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
Alden of the Mayflower? Are you a closet Pilgrim, DearOldLady? Sorry, I couldn't resist?

Is that something like sticking to " the now old " adage of, if you don't know, " Google it " :lol:

BajaBruno - 9-11-2007 at 09:53 AM

Yes, EdInNopolo, that is exactly what it is, and I say that with no regret. Google has put the knoweldge of the world, literally at our fingertips.

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 10:00 AM

Exactly what I hoped he would do! Yep, Alden of the Mayflower. It was a pretty small boat...crammed with a lot of scruffy people...with that in your lineage wouldn't you stay in the closet?

BajaBruno - 9-11-2007 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by oldlady
Exactly what I hoped he would do! Yep, Alden of the Mayflower. It was a pretty small boat...crammed with a lot of scruffy people...with that in your lineage wouldn't you stay in the closet?

A member of the Daughters of the Mayflower! Even better than a DAR! I never thought I'd meet one of you here in Old Mexico. I'm honored.

oldhippie - 9-11-2007 at 10:45 AM

Google is great. I just found out that Benedict Arnold's ancestors landed at Plymouth Rock. So much for lineage. I know, I'm a jerk. :tumble:

DENNIS - 9-11-2007 at 11:14 AM

Funny how the term, "Boat People," has changed with time.

oldlady - 9-11-2007 at 03:06 PM

Amen.

mtgoat666 - 9-11-2007 at 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by oldlady
I'm an Alden.

And does that rank higher than a Gonzales that came in yesterday?

DENNIS - 9-11-2007 at 04:31 PM

Which door did Gonzales use to enter?