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Firefighters in Mexico going to US to fight fires

Gypsy Jan - 10-24-2007 at 04:19 PM

The U.S. news has, all too briefly, reported about firefighters from Tijuana going across the border to help contain the Portrero fire.

Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?

Bullcrap. The US isn't hostile to anybody who conducts themselves in a lawful manner and is appreciative of those agencies that share cross-border needs. It goes both ways. The emergency agencies seem to have a way around the nonsense as you seemingly don't. Why try to politicize fine human efforts? When's the last time you praised the US for crossing the border to aid Mexico? It happens often.

SiReNiTa - 10-24-2007 at 04:53 PM

i think mexican fire fighters were very bold at going to help, as i hope that american firefighters will to as our towns are also in grave danger...since the fire has spread...these people don't see nationalities, they want to help...i'm not just talking about mexicans, US also...

fdt - 10-24-2007 at 04:55 PM

US firefighters have come to Mexico many times to help.

Bajaboy - 10-24-2007 at 05:05 PM

Okay, I was a bit taken back when I read the post as well. I try and bite my tongue before commenting. Anyways, I'm not certain where you were going with the comment.

In addition to helping assist fighting fires in Mexico, the US donates fire equipment and training.

Zac

SiReNiTa - 10-24-2007 at 05:08 PM

yep, i think that being neighbors is a great thing because we help eachother...in many ways not just fires...

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 05:49 PM

For sure, Sirenita..........You are wise beyond your 18 years. Happy Birthday. I'm singing Las Mañanitas so you'll just have to pretend that you can hear it. My dog just left the room.

TMW - 10-24-2007 at 05:59 PM

["My dog just left the room.']

Well that says it all.

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 06:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?


Nice to see that during a time of emergency, when people should and ARE coming together, someone chooses to make not only a political comment, but one based on ... BS.

As Ferna said, this is not the first time this kind of thing happens. Wasn't it just last year that firefighters crossed the border into Mexico to fight fires in San Pedro Martir?

I sincerely hope this will shame Jan into STFU in the future regarding this kind of issue. Just keep us posted about your dogs and snooty eateries, though. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

And, before some genius points out how hostile I'm being - it's done intentionally.

Minnow - 10-24-2007 at 07:06 PM

Roberto you are a bad, bad boy.:lol:

Hey I was having a hotdog at Costco last year when the convoy of US firefighters went through Ensenada. They had a police escort, and everyone was waving and honking. I interpreted that as a thank you.

Many in the far right have come out and tried to politicize this tragedy. what a shame.

The news should be focused on how kind, giving, and caring the people of SoCal are. Fox new has some amazing stories of how people have come together in this time of need.

Roberto, is your house safe?:?:

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

And, before some genius points out how hostile I'm being - it's done intentionally.


Well, of course it is. How nice to see that you can be hostile in a civil manner.

Minnow - 10-24-2007 at 07:20 PM

Dude, your jabs are sometimes funny, but add something to the discussion.:yawn:

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 07:42 PM

Well, I did, if you want to read back and quit being so self-absorbed.

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Roberto

And, before some genius points out how hostile I'm being - it's done intentionally.


Well, of course it is. How nice to see that you can be hostile in a civil manner.


Guess you get the genius award. :lol::lol::lol::lol: What an unexpected source. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

An, oh yeah, bite me - civility was the furthest thing from my mind. Why would a comment like that deserve civility?


[Edited on 10-25-2007 by Roberto]

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

Bite me. I was not trying to be civil. Why would a comment like that deserve civility?


You're right, why would it? Why would you? I'm surprised you can spell the word. Did you learn it while they were telling you to keep your pants zipped up at the bus station?

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 08:03 PM

We'll never get this right if we keep cross posting.

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Minnow
Roberto, is your house safe?:?:
Yes, thanks for asking. It was touch and go there for a while between late Monday and Tuesday. Fire came within a mile of my house. Just north and just south were evacuated. We were not - maybe we were just being ignored. :lol::lol::lol::lol: Maybe Dennis has some connections I don't know about? :o

JUST KIDDING.

Fire also came even closer to the boat - now THERE'S a crisis. Right up there with running out of wine yesterday. :o

My mom was evacuated as well. Palomar Amateur Radio Club ran an emergency net, and I spend a some time trying to provide accurate information to folks living in my general area - as did many hundreds of HAM radio operators in the area. Things are looking up right now, except for the folks in Valley Center and Jamul, where fires are still raging. The difference this time around is that the aircraft started flying on the second day because the winds died down. In my area, they were so strong Sunday night that Pines and Eucalyptus were snapped in half. Lamp posts were torn out of the concrete, and the flames raged that night with unexpected violence. Waking up Monday morning was a definite OH chit! experience.

KG6TBF clear.

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:08 PM

Hey Dennis :P

Keep it up and you'll have as many posts as the chief of the Fife and Drum Brigade. :barf:


[Edited on 10-25-2007 by Roberto]

elgatoloco - 10-24-2007 at 08:27 PM

Mexican firefighters helping in California return to Mexico to fight blaze


ASSOCIATED PRESS

3:45 p.m. October 23, 2007

TIJUANA, Mexico – About 60 Mexican firefighters crossed the border to help fight the California wildfires – then returned home as a separate blaze roared up on the Mexican side.
About 30 firefighters each from the Mexican cities of Tijuana and Tecate headed north Sunday when the wildfires started in San Diego County, said Capt. Marco Antonio Garambullo, Tecate's Fire Department director. One of the California blazes burned more than 200 buildings just north of Tecate.

The Mexican firefighters returned home on Monday, however, as flames kicked up south of the border as well, Garambullo said.

“If we didn't have so much work, we would be over there helping them,” Garambullo said, adding that soldiers had joined the firefighters battling the blaze near Tecate, Mexico, which scorched hills and consumed four cabins of the “Rancho La Puerta,” a luxury spa popular with San Diego tourists.

School has been suspended since Monday in Tijuana due to the smoke from the California fires, and the same hot Santa Ana winds that have caused firestorms north of the border threaten areas in Mexico as well.

Mexican Environment Secretary Juan Rafael Elvira said that 32 forestry experts – not firefighters – were helping fight California's wildfires and that more could join if neccesary.

“For Mexico it is very important to cooperate with the United States in situations like these because these fires affect the environment on both sides,” Elvira told a news conference.




:saint:

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Hey Dennis :P

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by Roberto]


Man....You get posters remorse faster than anyone I've seen. One step ahead of the moderators?

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Roberto
Hey Dennis :P

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by Roberto]


Man....You get posters remorse faster than anyone I've seen. One step ahead of the moderators?


Just decided you're not worth it. But, if you're offended, the offer is still open. Care to take me up on it?

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:33 PM

Just to change the thrust, Dennis - are you saying you agree with the original post from Jan?

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 08:34 PM

Bite me.

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Just to change the thrust, Dennis - are you saying you agree with the original post from Jan?


Why don't you read my post which followed hers.

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:36 PM

I had - then why your reaction to mine?

DENNIS - 10-24-2007 at 08:38 PM

I thought yours was good. If you weren't so overly defensive, you would have seen that.

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
overly defensive


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You're right, why would it? Why would you? I'm surprised you can spell the word. Did you learn it while they were telling you to keep your pants zipped up at the bus station?


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Roberto - 10-24-2007 at 08:42 PM

Done. We're taking away from the real reason for this thread - which was Jan's disgusting post.

debindesert - 10-24-2007 at 09:06 PM

I think Bomberos (Firefighters) are special bread. They have this calling and referverance for humanity most of us simple folk will never know.


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Taco de Baja - 10-25-2007 at 07:50 AM

Let us not forget the other who come across to "help"
:mad:
We have enough of our own citizens who show up during disasters to loot and steal, Mexico can keep these scum-bags.


Quote:
Six undocumented Mexican nationals were arrested today by U.S. Border Patrol agents at Qualcomm Stadium, after a report that they were stealing food and water meant for evacuees, according to spokesman Damon Foreman.

The Los Angeles Times reports that San Diego police responded to a call about alleged theft from the evacuation center and encountered six people in a van who didn't speak English and didn't have California driver's licenses, Foreman said.

The police officers called the Border Patrol, who arrived at the stadium and made the arrests, he said. Foreman said the immigrants admitted they were Mexican citizens and that they were stealing.

link

DENNIS - 10-25-2007 at 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by lencho
Not to change the subject, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why this is an insult. I've heard it used as such for years, but what the heck does it signify? :?:

--Larry

I don't think it means anything real. It's just easy and quick but only has high school shock value.

Hey Roberto....Sorry I said "Bite Me." I didn't mean anything by it. I think we were both on the same page in this thread.

pascuale - 10-25-2007 at 08:25 AM

Dont you old farts have anything better to do than argue about how right each of you are about everything? I always tell people from outside places to come to this board because it is a helpful tool for information on Baja. Now most of the posts I read are of someone attacking someone elses comments, because they are not 100% accurate, politically correct, or whatever. chit, I would be scared to post anything in fear of being completely scrutinized by someone who "knows all about Baja". It sounds worse than Bloodydecks. I would say that if you dont like someones comment, then dont say anything at all, but I think ill just leave this board instead. Its like a warzone on this board. Have fun tearing eachother apart!

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by pascuale]

Roberto - 10-25-2007 at 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by pascuale
Dont you old farts have anything better to do than argue about how right each of you are about everything? I always tell people from outside places to come to this board because it is a helpful tool for information on Baja. Now most of the posts I read are of someone attacking someone elses comments, because they are not 100% accurate, politically correct, or whatever. sh-t, I would be scared to post anything in fear of being completely scrutinized by someone who "knows all about Baja". It sounds worse than Bloodydecks. I would say that if you dont like someones comment, then dont say anything at all, but I think ill just leave this board instead. Its like a warzone on this board. Have fun tearing eachother apart!

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by pascuale]


Don't look now, but if you are right, you just "joined the fold".:lol::lol::lol::lol:

DENNIS - 10-25-2007 at 10:09 AM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Aw, c'mon pascuale. Let us "old farts" have a little fun with what little time we have left.

pascuale - 10-25-2007 at 10:15 AM

ok I will. I still love you guys! Couldnt possibly think of leaving. Damn Old Farts:lol: Just as long as you take me fishing, and leave all of your baja property to me in your will.

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by pascuale]

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by pascuale]

astrobaja - 10-25-2007 at 10:44 AM

I really don't know why some of you are jumping down Gypsy Jans throat about this, she was merely pointing out that the media is not covering the TJ firefighter aid, shes not asserting that the aid does not happen!!
When I lived in San Diego for a few years while I was at SDSU I noticed how blinkered the US news media were too, anything north and south of the border (let alone European news) and it was barely touched on!

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by astrobaja]

DENNIS - 10-25-2007 at 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by astrobaja
I really don't know why some of you are jumping down Gypsy Jans throat about this, she was merely pointing out that the media is not covering the TJ firefighter aid, shes not asserting that the aid does not happen!!

It has been covered by the press. Go back a page in this thread and read the post by elgatoloco. I havn't as yet seen anything in the San Diego Union but I havn't looked for two days. If they missed the story, it would have to be because of the huge distraction. That paper seldom misses a human interest story with regards to Mexico / US interaction.
Jan's post was poorly worded, that's all. She shouldn't get beat up forever for that.

Roberto - 10-25-2007 at 11:50 AM

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who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them

DENNIS - 10-25-2007 at 11:52 AM

Yeah....I know. I can't be mean every day.

Skipjack Joe - 10-25-2007 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Bite me.

Not to change the subject, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why this is an insult. I've heard it used as such for years, but what the heck does it signify? :?:

--Larry


Bite my culo.

Skipjack Joe - 10-25-2007 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Bite my culo.
Sounds sorta reasonable, but why specifically is THAT an insult? Sounds like kind of a painful invitation, really. :lol:

Sigh... and I'm a native English speaker. How can foreigners possibly ever get an intuitive feeling for the subtleties of correct obscene language use... :?:

--Larry


It comes with practice.

... and a good George Carlin record.

Bite me

Taco de Baja - 10-25-2007 at 12:31 PM

The source for "bite me" revealed:
(At least according to someone's research)

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Question
Ted I'm trying to find out when the expression "bite me" first came into usage as an American slang, and of course, if it is indeed restricted to American English, or if it is used likewise in other English speaking countries.Thanks. Vicki

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OK -- I have checked more than 20 slang, jargon, and dialect dictionaries. The phrase is mid-20th century, but Beavis and Butthead popularized it.

Here are the entries from the two most significant dictionaries:

"The Random House Dictionary of American Slang," vol. 2-- 1994

The original phrase was "bite it!" The meaning, and I quote from the dictionary, is "go to hell" "f*** you!" -- "usually considered vulgar.

It first appeared in PRINT in 1948, in Cozzens' "Guard of Honor," in reference to World War II -- "Bite it!" Sergeant Pellerino said amiably.

In 1949, Ross McDonald, the mystery writer, changed it somewhat to "Why don't you take a bite of me?" That was in his novel, "Moving Target."

Other variations -- pardon me, but they ARE from the dictionary -- bite the rag; bite my b*tt; bite me in the a**; take a bite of this [in National Lampoon, 1971, while he was holding his penis]; bite my bag -- and others.

About "eat it," which is another version, a little more crude than "bite it."

"NTC's Dictionary of American Slang and Colloquial Expressions," 3rd edition, 2000.

This dictionary gives the generic form as "eat it," with bite me as a mild variation . There are numerous examples, which I won't repeat. Under "Eat me!", the dictionary lists it as a "transitive verb." It's definition is "an expression meaning roughly 'suck my genitals.' (Usually objectionable.) "Eat it, you creep."

One of my colleagues HAS the B&B key ring pictured at this site:

<http://www.wickedcoolstuff.com/bebutake.html>

He says that one of the six phrases is "Bite me, dude."

Sorry this has taken so long, but I wanted to be thorough and I was interrupted many times during the five hours I worked on your question.


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Etymology-Meaning-Words-1474/x.htm

Skipjack Joe - 10-25-2007 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by lenchoSigh... and I'm a native English speaker. How can foreigners possibly ever get an intuitive feeling for the subtleties of correct obscene language use... :?:

--Larry


Some languages are more expressive with obscenities than others. I can't imagine how many ways a latino can use the word 'mother'.

But it's the more restrained cultures that I enjoy hearing obscenities from. I was once ragging a british beach volleyball player when she turned around and told me

Up Yours!

in that c-ckney accent. I just busted up.

Paulina - 10-25-2007 at 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

But it's the more restrained cultures that I enjoy hearing obscenities from.


I couldn't agree with you more. When I hear certain 'words of wisdom' I consider the source, then either bust up laughing or seek out better company.

My ex once sent me an email stating only "bite me". Considering the source I thought it was the funniest thing ever!

So did the judge.

My attorney was on a family vacation and saw this same statement on a t-shirt in a tourist shop. She told me of it and we planned on buying them for our team to wear at our next court appearance, only in the lobby though, just to get a rise out of the poor man.

I try to save such language for Mondays. "Smut Monday" I call it. The only day I allow myself to indulge in such crudities.

I plan to make note of the 'bite me' translation just in case those two words happen to grace my email again. I'll send it off in reply and maybe he'll learn something new that day. I hope it's on a Monday.

P<*)))><

Roberto - 10-25-2007 at 03:01 PM

Larry, you crack me up with your etymological questions about the origin of insults. :lol::lol:

I have always interpreted it as a milder, synonym of s**k me. Is that insulting enough for you? :lol::lol:

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by Roberto]

Mango - 10-25-2007 at 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Bite my culo.
Sounds sorta reasonable, but why specifically is THAT an insult? Sounds like kind of a painful invitation, really. :lol:

Sigh... and I'm a native English speaker. How can foreigners possibly ever get an intuitive feeling for the subtleties of correct obscene language use... :?:

--Larry


Yep, I am not sure who has the best curse words, Mexico or the USA. Both have great ones.

I like to make up my own. Bit*h Hole is my current favorite. Try it sometime when driving in traffic. :lol:

Once, when staying in a hostel in Campeche I had a Japanese guy in the bunk above me. He was fascinated with English swear words. He would ask a Canadian and I the difference between "Son of Bit*h" and "Motherfu**er" , etc.. etc..

We were able to elaborate for up to a half hour about the differences of each term and gave various examples of proper usage and context.

The guy was in Mexico to learn Spanish and we sent him home well versed in English curse words! :lol:

BTW - Firefighters are awesome

David K - 10-25-2007 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by astrobaja
I really don't know why some of you are jumping down Gypsy Jans throat about this, she was merely pointing out that the media is not covering the TJ firefighter aid, shes not asserting that the aid does not happen!!
When I lived in San Diego for a few years while I was at SDSU I noticed how blinkered the US news media were too, anything north and south of the border (let alone European news) and it was barely touched on!

[Edited on 10-25-2007 by astrobaja]


Astro, this is the part of Gypsy's post that is highly insulting to us, and very untrue:

"Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?"

Is it our CNN or your Canadian news that tells Canadians America is hostile to Mexicans or Mexican firefighters?

We, like Mexico with Guatemalans, don't like people crossing into our country illegally... any people, not only 'Mexicans' who don't obey our laws.

I hope that it is the fault of the leftist, anti American media that gave Gypsy these ideas and not something she has seen driving across America to vacation in Mexico... Ameica has welcomed the world's people to our shores for freedom and opportunity... legally and willing to become Americans.

BAJABAILADOR - 10-25-2007 at 06:31 PM

This morning about 10:00am came across a convoy of fire rigs. As I passed , noticed it was TJ Bomberos. It was led by two pickups, followed by a very impressive brush rig, four nice pumpers and a paramedic. All bomberos looked very haggard,made it a point to get each ones attention and give them a wave and a thumbs up. they all smiled and waved back.
Oh, it was 8 westbound at the 125.:)

vgabndo - 10-25-2007 at 08:14 PM

Hey David...perhaps you could elaborate on how Jan's comment that the US is hostile to Mexicans is any less true than that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNBC, PBS, and FOX for instance are anti-American organizations. There simply is no progressive monopoly in broadcasting.:no:

The other question folks might ask themselves which relates to Mexicans doing illegal things in the US is this:

Have you ever lied to Mexican customs about what you're bringing in? Drunk a beer in your car? Gone south of Ensenada without an FMT? Driven faster than the speed limit? Eaten clams or lobsters you didn't get in a restaurant?

Exactly which pot is calling which kettle black?

P-nche' gringos no tiene respete para la ley!:?:

motoged - 10-25-2007 at 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by David K

Is it our CNN or your Canadian news that tells Canadians America is hostile to Mexicans or Mexican firefighters?....<snip....>

I hope that it is the fault of the leftist, anti American media that gave Gypsy these ideas and not something she has seen driving across America to vacation in Mexico... Ameica has welcomed the world's people to our shores for freedom and opportunity... legally and willing to become Americans.


David,
I didn't know that CNN was another pinko outfit.:o

And it sounds as if you are suggesting that Canadian media is leftist and anti-American....not so. We have enough right-wing redneck reactionary media up here to keep a guy like you entertained and feel at home with kindred spirits if you were ever to pick up a newspaper and read more than the cartoon page:lol:

Canada was also a country built by immigrants (many rejected from their homelands) and done so in some instances by acts of planned genocide of the locals hanging out at the time....not all of our North American Euro-influenced development was based on freedom and opportunity....

Our planet is a bit of a melting pot....learn to share it.

Ged

David K - 10-25-2007 at 09:45 PM

Hi Ged, I was asking... (not stating) what gave Jan the idea that we in the 'lower 48' are hostile to Mexican firefighters (or any legal Mexicans) coming here...

Here again is what Gypsy wrote: "Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?"

Here is my question, again: "Is it our CNN or your Canadian news that tells Canadians America is hostile to Mexicans or Mexican firefighters?"

Is it one of those two (or another media source) that gave that impression to her, I am wondering?

Here was my next part: "I hope that it is the fault of the leftist, anti American media that gave Gypsy these ideas and not something she has seen driving across America to vacation in Mexico"

If it is not the anti American media, then it must be something she witnessed, I am wondering here? For some news agency to say America is hostile to Mexico, "hostile", it naturally is anti American.

Perry, let's first deal with the idea that we are 'hostile towards Mexico' taken care of first before wondeing if invading our country and using our services for free has anything to do with us spending money (vacationing) in Mexico without a tourist card or the other things you think balance the border violations.

motoged - 10-25-2007 at 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Hi Ged, I was asking... (not stating) what gave Jan the idea that we in the 'lower 48' are hostile to Mexican firefighters (or any legal Mexicans) coming here...

Here is my question, again: "Is it our CNN or your Canadian news that tells Canadians America is hostile to Mexicans or Mexican firefighters?"

Is it one of those two (or another media source) that gave that impression to her, I am wondering?

Here was my next part: "I hope that it is the fault of the leftist, anti American media ...."

If it is not the anti American media, then it must be something she witnessed, I am wondering here? For some news agency to say America is hostile to Mexico, "hostile", it naturally is anti American.
.



David....there seems to be an implicit statement in your question (but thanks for being gracious in response to my peey reaction).

Your question offers only two options and I don't think it is that simple an "either - or" issue. A variety of media pass on information which is either opinion or observation.....wearing all sorts of political stripes. Folks form their opinions from media influence, talking with or over-hearing others, and from a range of such influences.

Certainly the USA has a problem with the impact of illegal immigrants abusing the system and I don't have a clue how the problem will be solved (other countries around the world have similar problems).

Leftist media isn't necessarily anti-American in the truest sense of the notion.....it might represent values or ideas that are quite consistent with "American" values. Some American political behaviour might be "anti-American" in essence. And the political right does not have sole rights to "being American".

Observations or critiques about "America" do not necessarily constitute "anti-Americanism".

Wikipedia reminds us:
The Americas are the lands of the Western hemisphere or New World, consisting of the continents of North America[1] and South America with their associated islands and regions. The Americas cover 8.3% of the Earth's total surface area (28.4% of its land area) and contain about 14% of the human population (about 900 million people). The Americas may alternatively be referred to as America; however, America may be ambiguous, as it can refer to either this entire landmass or just the United States of America.

It is fairly evident that there are expressions in the USA of "those Mexicans" that suggest some anti-Mexican sentiments. But the Mexicans are not the only ones at the receiving end of racism or jingoistic nationalism in the USA......

I believe we can hold different views as Americans...

A Canadian American,
Ged :light:

Bajaboy - 10-25-2007 at 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Hi Ged, I was asking... (not stating) what gave Jan the idea that we in the 'lower 48' are hostile to Mexican firefighters (or any legal Mexicans) coming here...

Here again is what Gypsy wrote: "Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?"

Here is my question, again: "Is it our CNN or your Canadian news that tells Canadians America is hostile to Mexicans or Mexican firefighters?"


DK-question...if Fox is so fair and balanced and all the other so many odd stations in North America are so unbalanced...why do the conservatives always agree with Fox? Do you really feel the Fox is shooting straight? Come on now...I call a spade a spade or a duck a duck....

Zac

David K - 10-25-2007 at 10:47 PM

Thanks Ged... it really was a question only Gypsy Jan can answer... I see she is pretty quiet... perhaps it was a mis-speak... I am not mad at her, I am only curious where she picked up the idea that we Americans (which means citizens of the United States, in this case) are hostile to Mexican firefighters coming here to help... Which is way off base... We love the Mexicans and those who are helping even more! We just don't like law breakers, does anyone?

Have a great rest of the week amigo!

David K - 10-25-2007 at 10:50 PM

Zac... I never mentioned Fox.

Since Canadian Nomads mentioned seeing fire coverage on CNN, I mentioned that one U.S. service. That's all... No conspiracy... Peace amigo!

Bajaboy - 10-26-2007 at 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Zac... I never mentioned Fox.

Since Canadian Nomads mentioned seeing fire coverage on CNN, I mentioned that one U.S. service. That's all... No conspiracy... Peace amigo!


DK-I just heard you refer to "Fair and Balanced" a few times and references to the Liberal media.....I think most media outlets have some bias...it's up to us to decipher fact from fiction. I'm sure you agree.

Catch up with you after I get back from Baja. Have a good one.

Zac

leadmoto - 10-26-2007 at 10:08 AM

Let talk about the Illegal immigrants stealing from the victims of the firestorm. And Gypsy Jan thinks the U.S. is Hostile.

San Diego set an example this week on how caring the people of this city are, without government handouts. Great job San Diego!!!


STORY

"Six illegal immigrants who were suspected of stealing relief supplies from Qualcomm Stadium were arrested by Border Patrol agents after San Diego police stopped them Wednesday morning.

A woman who had been evacuated to the stadium told officers she saw the group load up two pickup trucks and a car with cots and other supplies, leave and then return, said police Sgt. Jesse Cesen~a.

When officers stopped them, a member of the group said they were being paid to take things of value from the stadium.

“They were stealing a lot of stuff,” Cesen~a said. “We took the stuff back and we escorted them out. They were stealing from the people in need.”

Because some members of the group spoke Spanish, officers called Border Patrol agents at the stadium for relief efforts. They determined the people were in the country illegally and arrested them."

Mexicans fight blaze on California border

Taco de Baja - 10-26-2007 at 10:45 AM

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Mexicans fight blaze on California border

Agence France-Presse
Last updated 06:38pm (Mla time) 10/26/2007

MEXICO CITY -- Mexican firefighters in the state of Baja California continued to battle a wildfire Friday in the area close to the US border after bringing six blazes under control, a top federal official said.

Starting Sunday, the seven fires scorched some 4,000 hectares (10,000 acres) of mainly open land, Environmental Secretary Juan Rafael Elvira said in a statement late Thursday.

The still-active blaze, the Las Animas fire, is in the municipality of Ensenada, Elvira said, home to a popular seaside resort of the same name.

Some 166 firefighters were battling that blaze, he said.

"The speed of the winds has dropped, which means that there are more favorable conditions to put out the fires," Elvira said.

He added however that area firefighters will remain vigilant, fearing that another fire could break out.

A blaze from San Diego jumped the international border into Mexico and forced the closure of sections of a highway between the cities of Tijuana and Tecate, local officials reported Tuesday.


http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view_article.php?article_id=96980

Roberto - 10-27-2007 at 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by lencho
Pleased to entertain. To tell the truth, I wasn't trying to be funny:

Did that come out the wrong way? I didn't mean to be offensive - I find it funny because of the contrast of intellectualizing something visceral, as you put it. Isn't that a contradiction (understanding something visceral)? Visceral things are felt?

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
internalizing language on the visceral level (which is where insults roam) is an important step to fluency, and a process I'd like to better understand.

You're trying to become fluent in English? Seems you're doin' ok to me, apart from the more visceral aspects of the language. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hope you get my attempt at humor - FYI I'm a native bilingual speaker of Italian/English - I spoke both languages since birth, or at least since I could talk. :rolleyes:

But, most of my English was spoken at home and at school, while most of my Italian was spoken on the street, where I led my social life. Besides that Italian is a more emotional language. Anyway, I am much better at the visceral aspects in Italian and the intellectual ones in English. Interesting?

lizard lips - 10-27-2007 at 01:37 PM

What happened to Gypsy? She never responded......................:O

motoged - 10-27-2007 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by lizard lips
What happened to Gypsy? She never responded......................:O


Hmmmm?

She is probably still picking pieces of shrapnel from her burro:lol:

Lots of opinions expressed to give her something to think about:light:

Roberto - 10-27-2007 at 02:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
BTW, I assume you're aware of the advantage you have growing up billingual. Most Americans-- God bless my paisanos-- suffer from a certain isolationist tunnel vision due to their monolingualism...

--Larry


Very much so. I also realize it's much easier for me to pick up languages. I think it has something to do with the fact that some kind of mental barrier was broken long ago about associating things with their linguistic representation. I find that have a visceral:wow: identification with the "flow" of a language. Of course, I'm speaking of European languages - Slavic, Arabic, etc. languages are a different beast altogether.

fdt - 10-27-2007 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
- I spoke both languages since birth, or at least since I could talk. :rolleyes:


Thanks for clarifying. :saint:

Now Roberto, since you learned Italian on the streets, do you also read and write it? If so when did you learn that or do you remember ever learning it and it just came natural?
I have no idea at what point I learned to read or write in English

[Edited on 10-28-2007 by fdt]

Roberto - 10-27-2007 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fdt
Now Roberto, since you learned Italian on the streets, do you also read and write it? If so when did you learn that or do you remember ever learning it and it just came natural?
I have no idea at what point I learned to read or write in English

[Edited on 10-28-2007 by fdt]


Well, the complete story is that virtually all of my socializing was with Italians, but I completed parallel educations in both school systems through high school. I went to a full-time american school in Rome, and was tutored and took exams in the Italian system in the country town I lived in outside of Rome.

So, it's mostly a question of usage, as I was formally educated in both. So, yes I read/write/speak/think/dream both languages. The definition of bi-lingual, I think. The funny thing is that I am two slightly different people, depending on the language I am speaking. It's the background/culture/history/gestalt :rolleyes: of the language that makes the difference. :o

Boy, have we gotten far afield from the original topic, or what? It might even be safe for Jan to join in! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Edited on 10-28-2007 by Roberto]

Gadget - 10-27-2007 at 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Thanks Ged... it really was a question only Gypsy Jan can answer... I see she is pretty quiet... perhaps it was a mis-speak... I am not mad at her, I am only curious where she picked up the idea that we Americans (which means citizens of the United States, in this case) are hostile to Mexican firefighters coming here to help... Which is way off base... We love the Mexicans and those who are helping even more! We just don't like law breakers, does anyone?

Have a great rest of the week amigo!



I'd like to chime in on this thread as I have been lurking for a while now.
I spent 8 hours of my time yesterday volunteering at the Red Cross relief station set up in Ramona. I worked through the Horizon USA Critical Incident Responce network that I have partially completed my training in.
We were contacted and asked to help set up the aide stations as the people in Ramona were being allowed to come back to their neighborhoods. Qualcomm was being shut down and the Red Cross was setting up relief stations in the neighborhoods affected so folks could be close to their homes and be able to get hot meals, supplies, water and showers.
Along with many other volunteers I helped set up a distribution station to supply residents who had burned out or severly damaged homes get blankets, pillows, cots, hygene supplies, RC comforts kits, water, diapers etc. There was a check in station where ID was required, address information requested or some way of confirming that you were indeed a resident of an identified damaged area.
Most of the folks were more than happy to provide the required info, I even saw some leave and come back after getting a vehicle reg card or something to show.
Many came and stood in line and respectfully and politely left when they understood they did not qualify to receive those particular supplies.
But here is what I also saw. Many individuals working the system. Clearly people who did not qualify but were there to get all the free stuff they could. Supplies that folks who have lost everything very much need. Many of them who probably have not made it to the station yet.
I watched a young hispanic man, who was turned away early on, as we were still setting up the station, who had bags full of stuff he had collected while we were distracted working. Finally someone noticed him and asked for ID. He didn't qualify and just dumped his bags and walked off.
Food and water were free for everyone via the Red Cross chow line. I watched him load at least 20 cases of water into the bed of his nice late model Ford pickup. I saw him continually for the next 3 hours as I ran around like mad working, with bags in his hands every time. I started making eye contact with him and giving him a disgusted look. He would just smile and look away. I watched him stand and talk with several other young hispanics in the parking lot laughing and seeming to be having the best of times. I don't think he was the only participant in this.
Around dusk when the Sherriffs finally started to show up for evening security I looked for his truck and I was going to take a Deputy over and have a look but the guy was gone.
Since I am not seasoned at this type of work I talked to others who are and got confirmation that it is a very common thing. Standard procedure is pretty much what I did which is stick to your job and deal with the good people who really need help and ignore the dirt bags.
I have to honestly say I did not see any other ethnicity doing this. Many folks wanted the free stuff if they could get it, but left when told that it was for others, most of them thanking us anyway for our efforts.
Lastly, I would like to say on this forum thanks to all the Firefighters. We had a food and shower station at the Senior center for them and we saw hundreds of them come off the line for a break, tired, filthy, hungry but focused still. God bless em all.

On another story, during the Cedar fires, our son Ryan was working at Incident command at Gelispe Field. While the Governor was there visiting the guys on the tarmac an electrical fire broke out in one of the hangers, with alarm going off and the whole deal. No one moved out of respect for Gov Arnold. Finally he commented that maybe someone should do something about it. Ryan was in the back of the crowd and ran for a brush rig with a 2 inch hanging on it, broke in the door and turned to fire up the pump. There was another firefighter there already who did and helped him man the hose and put out the fire. It was a young Bombero about Ryans age from TJ. They still talk occasionally.

fdt - 10-27-2007 at 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
The funny thing is that I am two slightly different people, depending on the language I am speaking.

Wow, never thought about it that way, even though to my wife I'm mexican in any language :lol:


Quote:
Originally posted by Roberto
Boy, have we gotten far afield from the original topic, or what? It might even be safe for Jan to join in! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Edited on 10-28-2007 by Roberto]

Yea, come back Jan, you can always duck if starts again

Paulina - 10-27-2007 at 10:29 PM

Thanks Gadget for bringing this post back to topic and for sharing with us a view from the inside.

P<*)))><

Very interesting indeed

fdt - 10-28-2007 at 08:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
The U.S. news has, all too briefly, reported about firefighters from Tijuana going across the border to help contain the Portrero fire.

Could we please get more information about these heroes, who cross the border of a country that is hostile to them and risk their lives to help their brothers in combat?


Quote taken from the thread "Maybe interesting. It depends on your perspective."
Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
I'm tired so this will be brief...... just got off around 10 tonight after working since Sunday morning and I am beat like a soapy di.....
Bomberos de Tijauna are working the Harris Fire under one of my co-workers and there are all sorts of bodies from international travelers being found. The bomberos find a few and, of course, law enforcement is always called in.
INS shows up and they cuff and detain multiple bomberos..... the fire guys (my bro's) convince them to go to base camp and the whole thing is worked out. At base camp my compadre arranges to get them a chiite-load of NOMEX fire gear, which is really great, to smooth the whole thing over and show their appreciation for their help.
I talk to my buddy tonight and he says there was some kind of political, turf, point they wanted to make.
All I gotta say is what a bunch of dipchiites.
So, moderators, if there is anything objectionable in here please just ask me to alter it and I will rather than just a blanket delete. OK HOSE A?
I think I will get more sleep tonight before I work tomorrow than I have had in the last 6 days...
Manana

honda tom - 10-30-2007 at 10:01 PM

just remember that gypsy jan started this thread with her bs comment toward americans. and she has yet to comment again since she realized she offended so many people just making a point .

Honda Tom

Gypsy Jan - 10-31-2007 at 05:56 PM

I'm not worried about the reactions to my post.

It was an honest one and it was not an attack on Americans.

I wanted to question the use/abuse of power by one country's government against the citizen's of another country in ordinary and extraordinary circumstances.

Thinking about and discussing these issues in an open forum is what make America and Americans world leaders in freedom and freedom of speech.

DENNIS - 10-31-2007 at 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
I wanted to question the use/abuse of power by one country's government against the citizen's of another country in ordinary and extraordinary circumstances.


I thought your question was about border crossing fire fighters being ignored by the press in a country with a hostile government. It seems to have morphed into a human rights question.
That's OK, Jan but, it's a different question.

If you backed me up to a wall

Gypsy Jan - 10-31-2007 at 09:40 PM

and asked me what is human rights abuse,

I would ask you, what about the murders, the thefts and the rapes that occur just south of the U.S. border?

Why aren't we concerned about helping our neighbor?

(small voice) why does the u.s. government enfranchise and spend millions upon millions of dolllars building a wall along a border instead of building an alliance with the people, who, if given the chance, would voluntarily turn in any threats to their continued prosperity?

DENNIS - 11-1-2007 at 07:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan

why does the u.s. government enfranchise and spend millions upon millions of dolllars building a wall along a border

Because some people see a border there which is worthy of respect.
Many don't and that is the problem.
Is disregarding our laws what you call building an alliance?