BajaNomad - POSTPONED -Talks to be held today on ways to improve Baja tourists' safety

POSTPONED -Talks to be held today on ways to improve Baja tourists' safety

bajabound2005 - 11-30-2007 at 08:22 AM

From today's San Diego Trib

By Diane Lindquist
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

November 30, 2007

After the number of Baja California visitors dipped over the Thanksgiving holiday, tourism industry representatives are urging state officials to take swift and decisive measures to better protect American tourists who have been targets of recent road attacks.
Tourism officials are scheduled to meet with state officials today in Tijuana.

“We want to make it safe for visitors all the way from Tijuana to Bufadora (south of Ensenada),” said Hugo Torres, who is being sworn in today as Rosarito Beach's mayor.

Torres, who also owns the Rosarito Beach Hotel, estimated a 30 percent decrease in the number of visitors to his city over the recent Thanksgiving holiday.

Data compiled by the state government from hotel occupancies showed a 2.5 percent drop in visitors to Rosarito Beach and a 2.7 percent decrease in Ensenada visitors compared with last year's Thanksgiving holiday.

Reports of at least six armed assaults on American travelers along Baja California's coastal highway in recent months have concerned frequent visitors, with many vowing never to come to the state again. Some, but not all, of the cases have been determined by authorities as credible accounts.

The attacks, staged in some instances by paramilitary-style criminals driving vehicles with flashing lights and sirens, could significantly hurt the state's tourism sector, which last year attracted 25 million people, including repeat visitors.

“Tourists that come to Rosarito, 90 percent come from Southern California, and they read the papers,” Torres said.

Some tourism officials say the attacks already have cost the area millions in tourism dollars.

“If we don't take care of tourism, it's going to go away,” said Gabriel Robles, president of the Baja Resort Developers Association. “It's going to take a lot of work, a lot of commitment on behalf of government officials.”

Baja California representatives have said several state agencies are working to beef up patrols along the roads most used by tourists, including Avenida Internaciíonal, adjacent to the border fence in Tijuana, and the 65-mile toll road from Tijuana to Ensenada.

Tourism industry executives, who have grown frustrated that more is not being done, sought today's meeting with state officials.

“We've reached a situation that has become very embarrassing for Baja. That's all we've been talking about for the last two weeks,” said Nico Saad, director of the Ensenada Tourism Board.

“Definitely, we need to clean things up,” said Jean-Loup Bitterlin, the board's president. “We're doing all we can to make sure the government understands the consequences of this.”

Saad, a former Baja California tourism secretary, said the industry wants the involvement of the federal government because it operates the toll road and oversees a tourist assistance group known as the Angeles Verdes (Green Angels).

“They only patrol during the day. We don't have any at night,” he said.

The industry also wants more exits along the toll road and better lighting.

“It's very dark,” Saad said. “You're better off using the free road because it's lighted.”

Federal government representatives will not be attending today's meeting, but Baja California's incoming tourism secretary, Oscar Jesús Escobedo, and incoming public safety secretary Manuel Diíaz Lerma will attend, tourism undersecretary Ives G. Lelevier said.

“This is the responsibility of the local and state governments,” Lelevier said.

Nevertheless, he said, a request has been made to the federal government to double the Angeles Verdes force from two to four, so that they can make 20 trips daily along the coastal corridor.

“We understand the concerns people have,” Lelevier said. “We feel confident that with the resources currently in place for visitors to get information and assistance, it should provide them a safe and pleasant stay.”

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Diane Lindquist: (619) 293-1812; diane.lindquist@uniontrib.com

[Edited on 12-1-2007 by bajabound2005]

dccf - 11-30-2007 at 08:47 AM

This is a start.

bajaandy - 11-30-2007 at 08:52 AM

Interesting....

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Federal government representatives will not be attending today's meeting

...but not surprising.

At least there seems to be a 'wake-up' call happening amongst the local buisness owners. Maybe now this crime wave will begin to diminish some.

Hook - 11-30-2007 at 08:56 AM

It is a good start. But I hope they dont put too much hope in the Green Angel idea.

I cant believe law enforcement simply ends after a pre-determined time of night. That's the first thing they should change. Rearrange police shifts, fer chrissakes.

Install GPS tracking devices in existing police cars and map what they do and where they go during the night shifts.

bajaguy - 11-30-2007 at 08:57 AM

Talking is great, but I would like to see an armed response/patrols by the Federal Highway Police and the Military. Nothing slows down crime like newspaper photos of a couple of dead crooks and shot up cars.

Osprey - 11-30-2007 at 09:00 AM

I never thought of the Green Angels as anything but road assistance -- the kind travel clubs/tow services provide. I know they are well equiped and well trained -- always thought of them as an important road safety necessity for safe travel in unforgiving environments. For the kind of crimes I've read about on this and other forums my vote goes to the Mexican Army -- not a short term contingent but special crime fighting groups where everybody agrees they are needed.

Take Nico Saad's advise

fdt - 11-30-2007 at 09:02 AM

Or would you need a third opinion?
“They only patrol during the day. We don't have any at night,” he said.
The industry also wants more exits along the toll road and better lighting.
“It's very dark,” Saad said. “You're better off using the free road because it's lighted.”

Here it is in bold type
“You're better off using the free road"

DENNIS - 11-30-2007 at 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005

Nevertheless, he said, a request has been made to the federal government to double the Angeles Verdes force from two to four, so that they can make 20 trips daily along the coastal corridor.

Oh, Yeah...That's just what the problem calls for, more mechanics. Since when did the Green Angels become a law enforcement agency?

fandango - 11-30-2007 at 09:24 AM

the new road!

it's the only way to go through tijuana.
three times southbound and i have not made it without some wrong turns. northbound is no problem.
fdt:would you please post the directions again from the border southbound to the free road?
thank you.

fdt - 11-30-2007 at 09:54 AM

here you go

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26863#pid2603...

Al G - 11-30-2007 at 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by fdt
Or would you need a third opinion?
“They only patrol during the day. We don't have any at night,” he said.
The industry also wants more exits along the toll road and better lighting.
“It's very dark,” Saad said. “You're better off using the free road because it's lighted.”

Here it is in bold type
“You're better off using the free road"

Fdt...I believe you are right and the people here should use your recommendition...it will benefit the Nomads greatly, but few others.
Let's say the word gets out...and most Baja trips go free road or tecate...Do you think the cops will give up? Will they just say the gringo's have out smarted us?
The lead post here, is what is published every time we start b-tching about police corruption...it has never changed and is only meant to get us to stop talking about it...we will stop...because there are many on this board that start putting pressure on others saying it bothers us to talk about it anymore...the people of Baja are good and decent... and of course they are!!! This is not and never has been about the wonderful people of Baja. These people(on this board) have weak souls and little pride. We must keep up the chatter to keep all new and potential Baja travelers informed and especially first time people.
The individuals here with financial interest should stay out of this, as we already know you don't think this is a big deal...it is money first and safety second.
To end this I want to say, I know not all policia are corroupt...not all business people are trying to down play what is happening...some and I don't know how many, truly want to change, because they know once the corrupt cops are stopped, things won't JUST be better for the Baja visitor, but more will come to visit and improve business...
I also know Baja has many irons in the fire...many fronts to fight on.
The corrupt cops in Baja Norte is the root of all crime...drugs, robberies, murders...all stemming from mordida. You stop these cops and you will solve the abuse for all, including the good people of Baja...

fandango - 11-30-2007 at 10:22 AM

fdt, thank you for the link.
when i cross the border i stay in the right lane, go up the overpass and watch for signs that say aeropuerto. the next sign i see is via rapido. i take via rapido and then turn right on blvd cuahutemoc. this turns into the free road, so no more turns. is that correct?

Al G - 11-30-2007 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by grover

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Originally posted by Al G...These people(on this board) have weak souls and little pride...

You forgot to call them cowards as well.

No they are not...just don't want to face the hard side of life, like taking a stand for what is right and respectful

Woooosh - 11-30-2007 at 10:59 AM

Which SAFE free road are you talking about? The new tecate to fox studio area Highway 2000 is NOT safe at night, it is far more dangerous than statyinfg on the toll road! The locals won't even drive that at night. Many problems with roadblocks and jackings and once you drive it in the day- you can see how dangerous it would be at night.

The free road they are talking about is the last exit for Rosarito Beach which is the xit after the huge new Commerical grocery store. You veer off to the right- and head north. When yo uget to the very top of the hills (just past the large furniture warehouse)- you take the clover leaf and go to the left. That road runs all the way to the border (and turns into the via rapido at Playas de Tijuana). This route bypasses the most dangerous part of the toll road- the section north of rosarito (it also saves you $2.50).

To cath the free road coming from San Diego, you just continue on the via rapido from the border, don't turn right towards Playas de Tijuana.

It really isn't that much longer to drive the free route and when traffic to Playas is bad it's actually faster.

Woooosh - 11-30-2007 at 12:26 PM

Hugo Torres Proposes:
Agreement between Tijuana, Playas de Rosarito and Ensenada to Protect Tourism

Rosarito’s mayor-elect Hugo Torres Chabert proposed the need for a collaborative agreement that would serve to unify the efforts of Tijuana, Rosarito and Ensenada for the purpose of securing a safe Tourist Corridor for visitors. Tourism is the essential element of the region and a priority for the new administration of the “Quinto Municipio” (Rosarito was the 5th to be granted municipal city status).
That is what the Mayor-Elect expressed on October 6th at a meeting of the Grupo Político Ciudadanos de Ensenada A.C., a political action group. He stressed the need for the coastal government administrations to work together and support each other. He deems it necessary due to the security risks taking place in the State.
“The industry of tourism is of utmost importance, and we must take good care of it. When the new city administration begins, a priority will be to protect it by decree. We’re in an era of conflict and need to act swiftly. I’ve had talks with the mayors-elect of Tijuana and Ensenada and the challenge is before each of our mayoral responsibilities. We all agree to begin the collaborative process,” Hugo Torres explained.
There is a proposal in the works to create a Policía Metropolitana (Metropolitan Police) force to avoid situations such as recently occurred when police gave up a chase of a semi that crossed the city border to Ensenada and had to give up the pursuit. In a similar situation, Hugo Torres explained, any illegal act that may affect tourism from one municipality to the other has repercussions on the entire industry.
Hugo Torres explained that to reactivate the tourism industry also implies the open flow of tourism traffic along the coastal highways with efficient checkpoints and of streamlining the procedures for buses with tourism from the United States. At the same time is it important to improve our infrastructure for making our cities more attractive for to visitors and for our residents.
“We need to collaborate efforts to improve public safety and attract tourism. Our cities are basically co-dependent toward this goal, though we are autonomous in each of regions. What happens in any part of our State has repercussions on our entire economy,” he pointed out.
Regarding the clean-up of our police departments and anti-corruption efforts, he said that each city must act on their own. There are efforts taking place at the State level for bringing justice to corrupt officials.
Other topics that were discussed during the question and answer session: the need to rekindle the fishing industry, to protect species such as lobster as a prime industry for the corridor and of international fame, to start thinking of strategies for the water needs of the near future.

Lots of words.....

Sharksbaja - 11-30-2007 at 12:39 PM

...but lets' face it, most everyone is scared to death to approach this problem head-on. It means more killing of officers, officials and others. It's the same intimidation that is feared by all, big or small.
Quite frankly I think Mexicos approach is rediculous. It's obvious when you read the lip-service they offer up.
If they REALLY wanted to end this crap they would just stage set-ups or lure those thugs in and blow their steenking heads off. Why can't they(agents) just pretend to be unknowing visitors and then wham,. They would perhaps rethink their MO.

JMHO.

Good on you AL for seeing thru the smokescreen.

Hook - 11-30-2007 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
...but lets' face it, most everyone is scared to death to approach this problem head-on. It means more killing of officers, officials and others. It's the same intimidation that is feared by all, big or small.
Quite frankly I think Mexicos approach is rediculous. It's obvious when you read the lip-service they offer up.
If they REALLY wanted to end this crap they would just stage set-ups or lure those thugs in and blow their steenking heads off. Why can't they(agents) just pretend to be unknowing visitors and then wham,. They would perhaps rethink their MO.

JMHO.

Good on you AL for seeing thru the smokescreen.

I know what you mean, Sharks. It's so damn simple. A good sting or two.

And, just for shock value, maybe a nice public display of corpses.

It's the only language this scum will understand.

fdt - 11-30-2007 at 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by fandango
fdt, thank you for the link.
when i cross the border i stay in the right lane, go up the overpass and watch for signs that say aeropuerto. the next sign i see is via rapido. i take via rapido and then turn right on blvd cuahutemoc. this turns into the free road, so no more turns. is that correct?

Almost but not quite. Yes, you stay on the right laes and just stay there, do not take via rapida wich is to the left, stay on the right lanes and that turns into Paseo de los Heroes, at the second traffic circle, you will see the statue of Cuahutemoc, there you make a right or even on the block prior to that you see the signs that say Ensenada.

Minnow - 11-30-2007 at 02:53 PM

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Once again, I defer and refer all my posts on this matter to Sharks. Good to have you back.

Lipservice SUCKS! :lol:

fdt - 11-30-2007 at 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
The new tecate to fox studio area Highway 2000 is NOT safe at night, it is far more dangerous than statyinfg on the toll road! The locals won't even drive that at night. Many problems with roadblocks and jackings and once you drive it in the day- you can see how dangerous it would be at night

I have said this many times, some people here insist on driving it. And you are very right, we locals wont drive it and specialy not at night.

fdt - 11-30-2007 at 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

It really isn't that much longer to drive the free route and when traffic to Playas is bad it's actually faster.

There it is, a third opinion!

Minnow - 11-30-2007 at 03:10 PM

OK, I'll say it. I have been taking this route for years, after being stopped by mordida seeking cops on the free road almost every trip. It really stinks that it is being advertised now. :no:

Another plus is it saves you all the tolls if you jump back on the pay road after Calafia.

BajaWarrior - 11-30-2007 at 04:45 PM

On the 14th of November my buddy got up early, crossed at sunrise, and drove south to K-38 for some big waves. He got pulled over at the Playas exit going south and shook for $40 and again heading north he was pulled over and he just freaked out, yelling and screaming at these guys, and that was the very same spot, just northbound, differant cops though.

Sure hope those "talks" are going to do some good.

Where is the army? They used to be right there before the Playas exit...

Minnow - 11-30-2007 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior

Where is the army? They used to be right there before the Playas exit...

All this CRAp happened after the army left. Probably the cartels sending a message. :?:

DENNIS - 11-30-2007 at 07:14 PM

Since order of law means nothing and our lives are at stake, do what the rules say you can't do. Carry a loaded high power pistol on the seat next to you. The days of obeying the law are over for everybody and we can't be denied the right to protect ourselves. Those who have insisted that it is their exclusive responsibility, our protection, refuse to assume their responsibility.
Are we driving to the beach or are we going to the gas chambers?

Hook - 11-30-2007 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Since order of law means nothing and our lives are at stake, do what the rules say you can't do. Carry a loaded high power pistol on the seat next to you. The days of obeying the law are over for everybody and we can't be denied the right to protect ourselves. Those who have insisted that it is their exclusive responsibility, our protection, refuse to assume their responsibility.
Are we driving to the beach or are we going to the gas chambers?

Easy there, Hemingway. There are worse things than death.

Like maybe a Tijuana prison with a few of these perps bunking with you.............

Woooosh - 11-30-2007 at 07:31 PM

This doesn't sound like a good thing...

One third of Rosarito policemen "mentally unfit" to carry guns . At least 45 percent of Rosarito’s 150 policemen did not pass the psychological profile exam that qualifies them to carry a gun, according to Police Chief Alfredo Pérez. In an interview with Frontera newspaper, Pérez indicated that this lack of proper training is a worrying situation, considering the personnel limitations and the surveillance needs of the community. He called the problem a "time bomb", because some cases cannot be solved even with professional help. The hard cases "carry a pathology that implies these people should leave the agency immediately". He also spoke about the policemen’s bad physical condition, since many are overweight and some don’t even fit inside a patrol car. In his first year as chief, he said that the agency has made a huge effort to professionalize officers and equip them properly, because there was a severe lack of funding, patrols, radios and basic training.

DENNIS - 11-30-2007 at 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
Like maybe a Tijuana prison with a few of these perps bunking with you.............

Been there.

DENNIS - 11-30-2007 at 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
This doesn't sound like a good thing...

One third of Rosarito policemen "mentally unfit" to carry guns . At least 45 percent of Rosarito’s 150 policemen did not pass the psychological profile exam that qualifies them to carry a gun, according to Police Chief Alfredo Pérez. In an interview with Frontera newspaper, Pérez indicated that this lack of proper training is a worrying situation, considering the personnel limitations and the surveillance needs of the community. He called the problem a "time bomb", because some cases cannot be solved even with professional help. The hard cases "carry a pathology that implies these people should leave the agency immediately". He also spoke about the policemen’s bad physical condition, since many are overweight and some don’t even fit inside a patrol car. In his first year as chief, he said that the agency has made a huge effort to professionalize officers and equip them properly, because there was a severe lack of funding, patrols, radios and basic training.

Oh...Don't worry about their sad current condition. They'll shape up when mayor Torres finds a way to have them patrol the federal toll road, as he proposes. After all, you couldn't cram a fatso into a Ferrari.

Zap!!!!

bajaguy - 11-30-2007 at 09:11 PM

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An alternative solution.......

http://www.taser.com/Pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=48

DENNIS - 11-30-2007 at 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

An alternative solution.......

http://www.taser.com/Pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=48

Thanks Terry....

Looks like a good one on one solution but, one on one doesn't seem to be the toll road scenario. Also, would you shoot a Taser at a man who had you in his pistol's sights?
I wouldn't.

bajaguy - 11-30-2007 at 09:25 PM

That's why you tuck it under your left armpit and as soon as things are going south, push the button......then get out of Dodge.

Just like we talked about at dinner, I don't think these bozos are expecting the "victim" to do anything. I don't think they are ready to react to an offensive move.

DENNIS - 11-30-2007 at 09:37 PM

If you're that close, things have gone as far south as they can go.

They're rarely alone. I wouldn't mind the gamble but, I would rather stay a bit back from the table like going through a clip before the car came to a stop.

[Edited on 12-1-2007 by DENNIS]

bajaguy - 11-30-2007 at 09:42 PM

That's where those 12 gauge "tube type" front and rear push bars come into play!!!!!........suprise!!!! :lol:

Sharksbaja - 12-1-2007 at 12:45 AM

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Yep, those innocent and naive policemen in that area can't handle a gun.

:lol:

Wanna bet?

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Thanks Minnow. Say, I met a big German fan of yours and JRs' in Mulege.

Bronco - 12-1-2007 at 12:08 PM

What these thugs need is some good ol Jarheads to patrol the toll road.
The BS lip service has been going on to long. It’s unbelievable that a group
of SUV's can come into Ensenada, retrieve the dead scum in the morgue and
hot foot it on the single road to Tecate and EVAPORATE. What the hell's going
on with the military or these masked, nasty looking macho guys that stand
around at the occasional check point. It's obvious who runs Baja norte and its
Not the pgi, sgr or whatever they call the various police agencies.
It’s the cartel's operating under the nose of the officials like the new mayor
of Rosarito -Torres. I don't think the officials have the huevos to do anything
but what they are told. I often wonder why Torres has not been the target
of the bad guys, hmmmmmmm? Hey Torres,take some of your real estate sales money,buy a Huey with some lights, guns and rocket launchers . And the next time someone heads out of town after
crime spree a real message could be delivered. The smoldering remains would make a great photo op.

bajaguy - 12-1-2007 at 03:55 PM

Hi there, Bronco. welcome aboard.
Next time you post, don't sugar coat it or hold anything back....good to see someone thinks like me....well, except for the "jarhead" part... :tumble:

bajabound2005 - 12-1-2007 at 04:00 PM

Baja tourism meeting postponed due to rain

UNION-TRIBUNE

December 1, 2007

Bad weather caused Baja California's incoming public security secretary Manuel Díaz Lerma to cancel a meeting in Tijuana yesterday with Baja California tourism industry representatives. They were to discuss a wave of recent attacks on U.S. visitors.
The meeting was rescheduled for Monday and will be attended by the public security secretary, Baja California tourism secretary Oscar Jesús Escobedo and representatives of the tourism industry concentrated in the Tijuana-to-Ensenada corridor.

Al G - 12-1-2007 at 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Baja tourism meeting postponed due to rain

UNION-TRIBUNE

December 1, 2007

Bad weather caused Baja California's incoming public security secretary Manuel Díaz Lerma to cancel a meeting in Tijuana yesterday with Baja California tourism industry representatives. They were to discuss a wave of recent attacks on U.S. visitors.
The meeting was rescheduled for Monday and will be attended by the public security secretary, Baja California tourism secretary Oscar Jesús Escobedo and representatives of the tourism industry concentrated in the Tijuana-to-Ensenada corridor.

It makes more sense then the day you take office...I was expecting just more lip service. Maybe they are thinking about it more :?:

BB 2005...I believe in what you say: Friends don't let friends drink white zinfindel...you need a line under this:
Friends don't let friends drink alone :lol:

Edit: to get out of the quote BOX...

[Edited on 12-1-2007 by Al G]

Sharksbaja - 12-1-2007 at 04:24 PM

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BB 2005...I believe in what you say: Friends don't let friends drink white zinfindel

Or Merlot. :lol:

fdt - 12-1-2007 at 04:56 PM

A good source of information is this http://radio.ultimatebaja.com/
We report the news at least 2 days before it is reported by US media.
As for this meeting, I talked about it and stated that no one at the Tijuana Tourism Board knew about it, as I called yesterday to ask about it after it was posted here. I also mentioned that it sounded like an Hugo Torres from Rosarito deal. The only inagural ceremony that changed location because of rain was Rosarito yesterday wich those that were listening to the show know. And as for accuracy, Manuel Diaz Lerma is not the Secretary of public safety, it is Daniel de la Rosa Anaya.
I don't know were this reporter is getting his information but it is extreemly inacurate.
That is my .02¢

Al G - 12-1-2007 at 05:02 PM

Thanks Fernando...I am not surprised. No more info until Monday at 6:00pm...right?

fdt - 12-1-2007 at 08:35 PM

Well, here is an update;
Liutenant Coronel Julián Leyzaola Pérez, as first order in his new position as Director de Policia y Transito Municipal (city chief of police) releved all chiefs of police from their positions (removed / took out ?) and in their place came in the highest ranking ones. This is for now, "Changes in comand, that is afirmative, I think we need to evaluate the people that are ocupying the posts right now, not because it is comon with the change of administration but because we had to pass thru filters and were given the oportunity to ocupy this position, anyone who has a leadership position within the police force will have to pass thru the filters" said Julián Leyzaola Pérez.

[Edited on 12-2-2007 by fdt]

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-1-2007 at 08:46 PM

Thanks for the information fdt.

I think at the bare minimum right now, every active duty municipal, state and federal police officer from the top down should be administered a polygraph examination regarding their involvement in crimes committed against their citizens and foreign visitors. If they show deception on the polygraph they should be further questioned their confessions obtained then jailed and prosecuted.

All new police recruits should at the bare minimum be subjected to a polygraph examination a psychological examination and a detailed background investigation regarding their activities before they ever get hired and go to the police academy.

fandango - 12-1-2007 at 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

The free road they are talking about is the last exit for Rosarito Beach which is the xit after the huge new Commerical grocery store. You veer off to the right- and head north. When yo uget to the very top of the hills (just past the large furniture warehouse)- you take the clover leaf and go to the left. That road runs all the way to the border (and turns into the via rapido at Playas de Tijuana). This route bypasses the most dangerous part of the toll road- the section north of rosarito (it also saves you $2.50).

whooosh: it sounds like you turn toward playas at a clover leaf and then drive along the border fence road to the border.
if you stay on the free road, straight all the way, you will drive through town, across the river, turn left at padre kino and end up at either the regular border line or sentri. thereby bypassing the border fence road altogether.

bajaguy - 12-1-2007 at 09:07 PM

.........I think at the bare minimum right now, every active duty municipal, state and federal police officer from the top down should be administered a polygraph examination........ ...............When being questioned make no statement, make no waivers and take no polygraph. And never sign a consent to search form ............

Hmmmmmm, methinks a contradiction?????

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-1-2007 at 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
.........I think at the bare minimum right now, every active duty municipal, state and federal police officer from the top down should be administered a polygraph examination........ ...............When being questioned make no statement, make no waivers and take no polygraph. And never sign a consent to search form ............

Hmmmmmm, methinks a contradiction?????

No that advise was for all you honest people! :lol:

Al G - 12-1-2007 at 09:27 PM

Not a good first order. the transfer or firing of all 3rd cousins and higher relatives under one command should have been first. This is how they structure crime families...
Then polygraph district chiefs with hired outside people (US).
You are not going to change the world over night by demoting the District chiefs. You can cause chaos by losing that much experience that quickly. Most likely they knew this may happen and have their own plans in place to take care of themselves.
I know I am being cynical, but it all sounds very political to me. I must keep a wait and see attitude...

gibson - 12-1-2007 at 10:49 PM

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somebody forgot their med -i - caaaa -tion.
please sir, PLEASE practice what you preach. pretty please?

Woooosh - 12-1-2007 at 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by fandango

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The route I mentioned just bypasses the most deangerous section of the toll road, but links back up on the other side of Playas de Tijuana. If you don't turn at the top of the hill clover-leaf, you just go down the other side of the hill and into TJ. There are signs that take direct you to the border- it's just not a fun drive and may not be the ideal driving experience for most people just trying to get back home.

lizard lips - 12-2-2007 at 08:15 AM

I took a late flight from Puerto Rico to San Diego last night and drove home on the toll road and did not see one Federal de Camino patrol car. When do you see them? On Tuesdays and Wednesdays when they stop all of those large trucks carring second hand store articles for the second hand stores in Ensenada. Im sure you have see these trucks. They are usually 3/4 ton pick ups whicih are loaded with house hold items. The highway patrol stop these trucks for their $50.00 mordita in Tijuana, Roarito, and Ensenada. Next time you see one of these trucks pulled over by them you now know why.

I also heard from a friend that there are individuals wearing road construction uniforms who have stopped vehicles on the toll road and have robbed people. Many have not stopped and have continued threw and were pelted by rocks.

Something needs to be done now. I have suggested to my friends in law enforcement here that a sting operation should be in place. On Saturday afternoon have a truck with camper shell (California plates) with a few officers in or close by, to catch theives breaking in. Have a truck driving north on the toll road with a quad in the back, late at night, with some officers to catch these rattas. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. Im sure it is the same individuals commiting these crimes and it would'nt take much to catch them. Or could it be the same people we trust with our security who are doing this? Could be..........

I dont feel as safe here as I use to 20 years ago when I was stopped almost every other day for the usual mordita by the local cops. To get to the border now is a real journey which I refer to as "The old West" with real banditos that will kill you and Im not even in a covered wagon and cannott carry a gun!

Dont drive at night when these low lifes are operating. Dont give them the opportunity to take advantage of you and take what is yours, especially your life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These bastards will eventually burn in hell but it wont come soon enough for me..

jimgrms - 12-2-2007 at 08:22 AM

This is proably so the relieved Chief can buy there jobs back from the good coronel

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Originally posted by fdt
Well, here is an update;
Liutenant Coronel Julián Leyzaola Pérez, as first order in his new position as Director de Policia y Transito Municipal (city chief of police) releved all chiefs of police from their positions (removed / took out ?) and in their place came in the highest ranking ones. This is for now, "Changes in comand, that is afirmative, I think we need to evaluate the people that are ocupying the posts right now, not because it is comon with the change of administration but because we had to pass thru filters and were given the oportunity to ocupy this position, anyone who has a leadership position within the police force will have to pass thru the filters" said Julián Leyzaola Pérez.

[Edited on 12-2-2007 by fdt]

DENNIS - 12-2-2007 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by lizard lips
I took a late flight from Puerto Rico to San Diego last night and drove home on the toll road and did not see one Federal de Camino patrol car. When do you see them?

It is my understanding that they don't work the road after 9 PM. They probably figure it's too dangerous.

DENNIS - 12-2-2007 at 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by gibson

somebody forgot their med -i - caaaa -tion.
please sir, PLEASE practice what you preach. pretty please?

I like the "Sir" part. Keep it up.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-2-2007 at 09:08 AM

I have written to the President of Mexico, the Governor of Baja California the director of tourism in Tijuana and I just shot off a letter to the head of the Procurador General de la República. I wanted to write to the Honorable Jorge Ramos Hernández, Presidente Municipal de Tijuana but I can't seem to find his e-mail address yet. The following is my letter to the head of the PJR.

Honorable Licenciado Eduardo Medina Mora Icaza
Procurador General de la República

Estimado Señor Icaza,

Perdóname, soy Norte Americano y mi español no es perfecto. Ojala que entiendes mi mensaje de auxilio.

Vivo en el sur de California de los Estados Unidos de América. Estoy preocupado por el bienestar de mi familia cuando voy de visita a Baja California México. Cuando uno abre los periódicos se lea que hay otro desastre en el camino, en las ciudades y las playas de Baja California México con visitantes extranjeros que están robados, secuestrados o peor asesinados.

Por favor haga algo para la seguridad en los caminos de cuota de Tijuana a Ensenada y los demás caminos que usan los visitantes extranjeros para ingresar al interior de Baja California y el país de México en general. Trata de capturar a los criminales que son o quien pasa como que son, la policía quien roba, secuestra y matan a los visitantes.

Tambien ayuda con la policía en general del municipio, estatal y federal para que ellos se mejoren su propio conducto profesional cuando hacen contacto con visitantes en Baja California. La mayoría de visitantes extranjeros nomás están visitando y portándose bien. La mayoría de los extranjeros vienen a México porque tienen cariño y amor para la gente Mexicana y tambien porque México es un país maravilloso. Si los criminales y ciertas policías malos siguen con delitos contra los visitantes extranjeros eso va a destruir el bienestar de México. Eso es lo que yo pienso.

Estimado Señor Icaza, te urjo que usted mismo se involucra en esta obra bueno para limpiar Baja California y México en general de los malos y ponerlos adonde se merecen de estar. Yo se que usted tiene muchos responsabilidades como Procurador de la Republica Mexicana pero por favor tambien ponga atención en la problema de la seguridad de los visitantes extranjeros a Baja California y México en general.. Me alegro que gano El Honorable Jorge Ramos Hernández como Presidente Municipal de Tijuana. Se ve que ese hombre tiene pantalones y va hacer algo tambien. Quiero que sepas que no estoy metiendo en los políticos de México nomás pido ayuda con los delitos contra los gentes buenos que visitan a México.

Muchas gracias por su tiempo.

Atentamente,

David *******

Minnow - 12-2-2007 at 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Thanks Minnow. Say, I met a big German fan of yours and JRs' in Mulege.

It's no wonder. I am huge in Germany. :lol:

Al G - 12-2-2007 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
I have written to the President of Mexico, the Governor of Baja California the director of tourism in Tijuana and I just shot off a letter to the head of the Procurador General de la República. I wanted to write to the Honorable Jorge Ramos Hernández, Presidente Municipal de Tijuana but I can't seem to find his e-mail address yet. The following is my letter to the head of the PJR.

Honorable Licenciado Eduardo Medina Mora Icaza
Procurador General de la República

Estimado Señor Icaza,

Perdóname, soy Norte Americano y mi español no es perfecto. Ojala que entiendes mi mensaje de auxilio.

Vivo en el sur de California de los Estados Unidos de América. Estoy preocupado por el bienestar de mi familia cuando voy de visita a Baja California México. Cuando uno abre los periódicos se lea que hay otro desastre en el camino, en las ciudades y las playas de Baja California México con visitantes extranjeros que están robados, secuestrados o peor asesinados.

Por favor haga algo para la seguridad en los caminos de cuota de Tijuana a Ensenada y los demás caminos que usan los visitantes extranjeros para ingresar al interior de Baja California y el país de México en general. Trata de capturar a los criminales que son o quien pasa como que son, la policía quien roba, secuestra y matan a los visitantes.

Tambien ayuda con la policía en general del municipio, estatal y federal para que ellos se mejoren su propio conducto profesional cuando hacen contacto con visitantes en Baja California. La mayoría de visitantes extranjeros nomás están visitando y portándose bien. La mayoría de los extranjeros vienen a México porque tienen cariño y amor para la gente Mexicana y tambien porque México es un país maravilloso. Si los criminales y ciertas policías malos siguen con delitos contra los visitantes extranjeros eso va a destruir el bienestar de México. Eso es lo que yo pienso.

Estimado Señor Icaza, te urjo que usted mismo se involucra en esta obra bueno para limpiar Baja California y México en general de los malos y ponerlos adonde se merecen de estar. Yo se que usted tiene muchos responsabilidades como Procurador de la Republica Mexicana pero por favor tambien ponga atención en la problema de la seguridad de los visitantes extranjeros a Baja California y México en general.. Me alegro que gano El Honorable Jorge Ramos Hernández como Presidente Municipal de Tijuana. Se ve que ese hombre tiene pantalones y va hacer algo tambien. Quiero que sepas que no estoy metiendo en los políticos de México nomás pido ayuda con los delitos contra los gentes buenos que visitan a México.

Muchas gracias por su tiempo.

Atentamente,

David *******

David...I want to tell you how much I appreciate you efforts...my Spanish is coming along and comprehend some bot not all. I am sure it is a respectful letter, but I do not know if it says all I would like to be said, so I cannot copy and send one myself.
Below is a post from another thread, I believe should be suggested to the new mayor and Govenor...

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Originally posted by Alan
I recall an article in the WSJ from about 20-25 years ago when they were having problems with bandidos in the remote areas around Catavina preying on tourists. It was handled relatively quickly when Federalies set up a sting. Posing as tourists pulling a travel trailer they drove that section of road until they were finally stopped by bandidos. That's when all the Federalies poured out of the travel travel and made short work of the bandidos. Problem solved with no impact to their court system. Perhaps its time for old ideas to become new again.

These people most likely were not cops, and not giving part of their booty to officials. Some how this needs to be conveyed to the Governor that the tourist will not feel like coming to Baja until they see bodies on the ground or in jail...and proof they were the cops responsible. This will send a message that cops are not protected.
I do not know how to do this respecfully and want it to be in Spanish.
Does your letter say close to this?

Al G - 12-2-2007 at 11:25 AM

Another suggestion is for cameras in patrol units so when a legal stop is made and the guilty party tries to bribe the officer...they can be arrested and put in jail for the crime that has caused all this corruption to start with.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-2-2007 at 12:35 PM

My pleasure Al G.

Here is a rough translation of what it says in English. My skills are rusty so bare with me.

The Honorable ….Name here
Title here……

Dear Mr.

I live in (State you are from) of the United States of America. I am worried about the well-being of my family when I visit Baja California Mexico. When one opens the newspapers there are stories of another disaster on the roadway, in the cities and beaches of Baja California Mexico involving foreign visitors who are robbed, kidnapped or worse, murdered.

Please do something for our security on the toll roads from Tijuana to Ensenada and the other roads foreign visitors travel to the interior of Baja California and the country of Mexico in general. Try to capture the criminals who are either real police officers or people made up to appear to be police officers who rob, kidnap and kill visitors.

Also help us with the municipal, state and federal police in general so they may improve their professional conduct when they contact foreign visitors in Baja California. The majority of foreign visitors visiting are well behaved and they come to Mexico because they have love and affection for the Mexican people. They also come because Mexico is such a beautiful country. If the civilian criminals and certain bad police officers continue committing these crimes against foreign visitors this will destroy the well-being of Mexico. That is what I think.

Dear Mr. …., I urge you become personally involved in this good work to clean up the bad people in Baja California and Mexico in general and to place them where they deserve to be. I know you have many responsibilities as (Title of person here), but please also put your attention on the security of foreign visitors to Baja California and Mexico in general. I want you to know that I am not meddling in Mexican politics. I am just asking for help with the crimes against good people who visit Mexico.

Thank you very much for your time.

Sincerely

Your name here:

[Edited on 12-2-2007 by ELINVESTI8]

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-2-2007 at 08:31 PM

Frontera.info reports

"Cierran Garita de San Ysidro por amenaza de bomba"

San Yisidro Border closed for Bomb Threat.

At 3:30 p.m. today they closed the San Yisidro Border Crossing after the Americans received a Bomb Threat. All were diverted to the Otay Mesa Crossing. Everything was opened back up after 1-1/2 hours after determining it was a False Alarm.

Reabren Garita; falsa alarma.

Empty Border Road

[Edited on 12-3-2007 by ELINVESTI8]

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Al G - 12-2-2007 at 08:44 PM

I get this feeling all hell is about to break loose...Travel if you must...just glad I don' have to make up my mind until the end of January.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-2-2007 at 08:52 PM

I will be running the gauntlet mid December. :lol: