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Bent props ..and stories of Baja Flying

capt. mike - 12-13-2007 at 05:58 AM

yes i know all about it........sadly that was one of our Flying Sams members and a load of medicos from last weekend's trip. The pilot had a problem with her landing......but it could have been a lot worse based on what transpired - and no one was hurt.
the plane has to be disassembled and trucked out now. too bad, another friend of mine used to fly that plane a lot, he is a friend of the owner, a gal based at my home port, KDVT.

i'll limit my discussion with this on an open forum..........but when next we quaff at la jungle............i'll regale you with the inside dope!!:lol::lol::wow:

Bob and Susan - 12-13-2007 at 06:12 AM

i'm glad you didn't do THAT when you flew me on thanksgiving:no:

capt. mike - 12-13-2007 at 07:15 AM

haha!! her 206 has gear that is always down and WELDED!

what you have to worry about with my bird is that the gear comes DOWN when you want it to!:?:

oh, and it has to be trucked out because the prop strike requires an engine tear down and inspection.....can't do that at Oscar's shop!:biggrin::biggrin:

glad i don't have to deal with the insurance claim....:saint:

i can hear them now...."Lucy, juve got some splainin' to do!!":wow:

fishbuck - 12-13-2007 at 01:17 PM

Is that a 206? Looks like a 182.
Anyway it looks like your standard big Cessna nose gear collapse on landing.
The big Cessnas won't tolerate much improper landing technique when it comes to the nose gear.
I know this because I've been training in a 182 and the insurance company requires a minimum of 10 hours of Pilot in Command prior to allowing rental of the aircraft. I have about 4 hours of dual(with instructor) time now
I think we can all see why.
It's super important to keep the weight on the main landing gear on landing. This is true of most aircraft but especially so of a fully loaded big Cessna.
Perhaps there was a bounce and then a porpoising action that allowed the nose gear to touch first. Add a little power and keep the nose up with a little back pressure on the control yoke on the bounce. Touch down mains first and hold the nose gear off as long as is practical.
It's possible that there was no flare on landing which could collapes the nose gear also.
Flare is raising the nose just prior to touchdown. It's required.
If it's a fixed gear Cessna the gear will not collapse without reason.
Why not just pull the engine and truck it to the states for inspection and overhaul? A lot easier than pulling the wings and tail off. The nose gear repair could be done in the field with simple sheetmetal tools.
Is the firewall damaged ?

Okay I googled. The three-bladed prop is a dead giveawy that it's a 206. Ofcourse Capt Mike is right again.

[Edited on 12-13-2007 by fishbuck]

capt. mike - 12-13-2007 at 02:15 PM

hi fishbuck - you got it pretty right.
too fast, to much RW eaten, porpoised, dove hard , nose and prop dart into the dirt.........ouch!!
the problem with pulling the engine is then you have a plane not in the USA and basically not in one piece - no hangars at serenidad. Radios, instruments....all will disappear = no insurance co. will accept the liability - pulling the wings and trucking it out is covered with some limitations and the normal routine with these types of "incidents" :light:
it all needs to be repaired in USA under AI supervision.

that's my 5 accident to see at Serenidad. My neighbor has seen 7.
i wasn't there this one. but seen plenty. couple a gear ups too.:wow:
She's just lucky it stopped before they all went into the drink!

fishbuck - 12-13-2007 at 05:02 PM

That's a shame! Glad they are okay. Sounds like a wild ride.
I bought and disassembled a c-150 a couple years back. I pulled the wings and tail and rolled it into the back of a big U-haul truck.
My dad was an IA and had a shop so we repaired some corrosion it had and rebuilt it. Sold it and made a couple of bucks.

Oh yeah, they should have made a go around. Which I'm sure they know by now.

[Edited on 12-14-2007 by fishbuck]

capt. mike - 12-14-2007 at 07:51 AM

for sure - the go around was the ticket when after using up 1/2 the RW they were not touched down!! and going fast fast fast!!!!!!!!

rule one on landing: set up a stabilized approach and on the correct speed for conditions present after turning final and well before crossing the threshold.

Rule 2: refer to rule one.

rule 3: if rules one and two cannot be met....GO the EFF around!!!!!!!!!!!:wow:

wilderone - 12-14-2007 at 10:08 AM

fishbuck - are you back?

capt. mike - 12-14-2007 at 12:29 PM

ha!! only if yur a blue angels or T bird piloto!!

Vince - 12-15-2007 at 06:41 PM

Serenedad is usually pretty safe to fly in/out of. In my 33 years of flights in and out, I've only seen one fatality and that was a theif who stole a twin (belonged to Richard Long) during the night and flew right into the mountain immediatly above town, killing two. Pilot error. There probably have been more. There have been many minor mishaps, though.

Years ago...

Mexray - 12-15-2007 at 10:34 PM

...I flew as crew on the old SP2E (had 2 turning [props]and 2 burning [jets] on the same aircraft), sub chasing birds in the Naval Air Reserve...

I was the lead Mech in our crew, and got to play with the throttles when we were on long patrols...fun stuff, when someone else was paying for the fuel!

Anyway, My regular Pilot told me one time that when landing, those old SP2E's were good for about 2 'bounces' coming in, and on the 3rd, the tire would usually 'blow' and could ruin your whole day! These planes weighed around 70K lbs as I remember, and a good few bounces really gets to the undercarriage.

I got 'loaned' out to another crew one day, and it just so happened the 'pilot' was going up for a check ride, as he'd been away from the SP2E's for a few years...we headed from Alameda NAS down to Moffit Field NAS for some 'touch and goes' to see if the pilot still remembered how to get home!

Sure enough, as we came in for our first landing and go...we made that first fateful 'bounce', and the memory of my pilot's warning flashed in my brain! As we rose from the strip, the graceful leap of a dolphin came to mind as we performed 'bounce' number two! The dolphin in my mind again rose for a breath as we also 'leaped' above the strip and quickly came back to earth for a 3rd time!

BLAM!!! Sure enough the nose wheel had had enough abuse and blew right through the sidewall of the tire! We had enough air speed to remain aloft as the pilot jammed the throttles full head and we lifted away from Moffit Field to collect our thoughts! Moffit was the local base for the regular Navy's P3 Orion sub chaser's, and they got a big kick out our small bit of excitement that afternoon!

This being a check ride, the instructor flying in the RH seat was not supposed to interfere unless necessary, so it was up to the pilot to figure out what to do now....He decided that we should fly north to Travis AFB as they have a nice long runway to work with...as we got in the neighborhood, I was listening in to the 'traffic' with Travis' tower...."Navy xxx, understand no nose wheel...do you wish to have some foam put down...." Our pilot, "yes, could you foam it all"....Tower "(silence)...Ah, Navy xxx, do you know how long the runway is here at Travis?"... Pilot "yes sir, is that a problem?"....Tower "Navy xxx, we suggest you go back to Alameda and have them foam all of their runway!!!"

We then turned south to head back to our 'barn' at Alameda NAS...by then our pilot had been educated to the point he realized the error in his ways regarding the image of five miles of foamed runway at Travis! The sun was disappearing behind the hills of San Francisco as we twiddled our thumbs over the bay waiting for the ramp gang at Alameda to foam a couple hundred yards of the strip for us to touch down into...as it happened, we made a perfect landing, keeping the nose high until we reached the foam, and gently lowered our 'flat' into the whipped cream without incedent...however, I've never seen our crew leave that aircraft so fast as that day after we came to a 'full stop'!!!

For those that don't know, the wheel rims used on most aircraft are made out of magnesium, and will burn with intense, self sustaining heat when ignited by rubbing against the coarse surface of a landing strip...usually resulting in the complete loss of the aircraft!

I don't think our 'pilot' passed his check ride, and was probably back to 'flying' a desk during the balance of his Naval Reserve career, at least I never saw him again!

THX.

djh - 12-15-2007 at 11:11 PM

A fine tale, Mexray. Thanks for reminiscing with us!

fishbuck - 12-16-2007 at 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
fishbuck - are you back?

Back from Asuncion? I didn't go. My trip was subject to if my broken collarbone was healed enough and it's not.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-18-2007 at 08:14 AM

Fishbuck:
First time Pilots going to Cessna 182's made me a lot of Money when I was in the Aviation Accident Investigation Busines in the 60's and 70's.
Lots of Firewall damage from Hard Landings.
May I suggest something that will help you for the rest of your Flying years.

Go to you Local Bird Shop, get about 20 hours in a couple of Taildraggers!
Land that 182 like a Taildragger and you will not have anymore Problems. Also go over to your nearest Glider Outfit and do about 5-10 Hours.
It will make you a Better Pilot.

Mexray: Your story brought back some Memories as I was a Flight Engineer{Plane Capt.} after coming back from Korea- Flying out of North Island.FAETUPAK.
One day took a Crew up to Alemeda to pick up a P2V that had just been overhauled. A Mustang Named Sandusky was the Pilot. We took off and that Sucker Feathered one Engine and did a Slow Roll under the Bay Bridge!

Nobody ever said a Word!

I'll take a 170 B over all others for Baja Travel. Course I was never in a Hurry during the Early years in Baja.

Skeet/Loreto

capt. mike - 12-18-2007 at 08:54 AM

ahhh............. that's the life man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skeet/Loreto - 12-18-2007 at 09:18 AM

Pomp:
When we had the 950,000 Acre Fire in the Panhandle two years ago, I got to see him in Action. I went out to see if I could help and was near a Large Feedlot when Fresh Smoke came up nearby. All of a Sudden I swas the 180 come over and spot the Fire, in 2 minutes the Tankers rolled in and the Feedlot was saved! His Talent did the Job.
If my recollection is right he flew some of the same Area with Jimmy Smith.

There is one other thing that I would recommend to all new Pilots.
Go to Minden, get a good Instructor in Mountain Flying, get a chance to Soar in the SierraWave out of Bishop.
I have been surprised in a couple of trips in Baja Sur with Like Conditions. from Bay of Los Angeles to Sta. Rosalilla when the West Winds are over 24 Knots.

Hey Mike, Maybe we should start a Flying Stories Thread. Some of the old Stories may help a New pilot going to Baja.
I don't want to Hijack a Thread, might get Banned!
Skeet/Loreto

Mountain flying

bajaguy - 12-18-2007 at 09:23 AM

Contact your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and ask when the next "Mountain Fury" training program will be presented.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-18-2007 at 03:30 PM

O.K. Pomp! I have been doing research on all of the Fatals I investigated. This one was not a Fatal!!

One Day a Lowtime Pilot took a V-Tail Beechcraft out of Portland or Troutdale with his Girlfreind for a Sightseeing trip around Mt. Hood Oregon.
Entered a Cloudbank, lost control, next thing he remembered he looked back and observed the Ruddervators seperate from the Fuselage, went into an inverted Spin toward the Ground. Shortly fegore Impact the Engine dislodged completely out of the Nacelle. Aircraft went on down, light as a ?Feather into the Top of a Tree next to a Logging Road.
The only Injury was when the Pilot loosened the Female"s Seatbelt and she Skinned her Head on the Panel when she fell!!!
Engine coming out saved their Lives.
If no one beleives this I will supply the NTSB Report Number.


Next Story:
Japan Airlines Crash Landing in the Water on Approach to San Francisco.
November 22 , 1968

Skeet/Loreto

Cap - 12-19-2007 at 12:37 AM

i can't get the pics, and want more stories Skeet.

[Edited on 12-19-2007 by Cap]

capt. mike - 12-19-2007 at 05:25 AM

hey Cap! = where yer bean?

what's happenin wit the vid??

Skeet/Loreto - 12-19-2007 at 08:31 AM

Japan Airlines DC 7 1968 San Francisco, Calif.

DC 7 on Approach to San Francisco Airport landed in ShallowWater . 187 People on Board no one was injured.
I had just been Hired as Claims Mgr. for Associated Aviation Undrwriters in San Fran. I was light on experience so callled in the more experienced from Los Angeles.
After the initial survery I was able to Hire Vaughn Lamb an Aircraft Recovery Specialist.
It was determined that the Landing Gear was stuck in 7 Feet of Water and could not be Pulled forward. The Japan Airline People came with their Little Computers and Isisted that every Rivet be inspected, so Vaughn Lamb and his Partner dove for 24 Hours into the Cold Water feeling every inch of the Underside Rivets to see if there was any Damage. They would inspect under the Water for a Half and Hour and come up from a good Slug of Brandy, go back for another inspection.
It was determined that the Aircraft would have to be Lifeted and moved. But Lo and Behold, There was no way to Lift a DC7. Engineers finally decided to Attach Lifting attachments to the Main Wing Spars,
I then made arrangement for a Large Crane to come in, the Aircraft was lifted up, a Barge was set under and we Floated it to the Ramp where several Tugs pulled it up the Ramp on to the Runway, There was very little Damage, Aircraft was repaired and put back in Service.

Cause of the Accident: Taking the Statement from the Pilot, I noticed that he Hesitated when he described the Dialing in of the Altimeter setting.
It was later determined that he had made a 1,000 Ft. Error on Approach.

Sad: On the 10th Anniversity of the Accident the Pilot committed Hari Kari!

Skeet/Loreto

Next Story: Cessna 210 burns in at Night near Ukaih, Calif. Undetermined Cause??

bajabird - 12-19-2007 at 08:53 AM

Baja stories or anywhere stories? :bounce: I want to fly in baja:saint:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-19-2007 at 09:25 AM

Bird: Some of theses stories are in Baja, just haven't got to them yet.

Cessna Twin off Of Pt. Chavito- This Aircraft had an Engine Failure on Take off and landed in about 25 Feet of Water off of the South end of the Runway. It was still visiable until about the early 80"s then I suspect the Mud came in and covered it. Would be interesting if some one with a Depth finder could Pick it up on their Scope and find it.

Had a Cessna 310 damage its Gear and Props on Landing at Chivato in 69, Could not be Flown out, so Vaughn Lamb and I Took a Truck and Trailer across from Guyumas on the Ferry, Took off the Wings placed the Aircraft on the Trailer and Ferried it back across and then to the States. Cost at that time was $5,000 Total.

Bird. have you flown in Baja? Thought maybe some of the Stories would make some of the First time Pilots Aware of others mistakes and help them Flying in Baja an other Places.

Skeet/Loreto

bajabird - 12-19-2007 at 12:11 PM

Skeet- You use to get happy when I'd buzz your place coming into loreto.... so yes, over 300 trips to baja in my debonair

some of my favorite books include "fate is the hunter" and "i learned about flying from that"

Thank you for sharing your stories: I'm sure that every level of pilot (and non) enjoys them.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-19-2007 at 12:38 PM

Bird. Are you the Young Whippersnapper who was a successful Business man in Diving Equiptment? I do remember chewing out a Deb. Pilot for "Buzzing to Low" over Rancho Sonrisa!!

Glad to hear that you are still going to Loreto. Thats a good Aircraft you are Flying.

Have you ever encontered a "Sierra Wave Type condition while Flying in Baja??

A very good BooK to read is "Exploring the Monster" by Pat Rowbottom- the Daughter of Bob Symons.
I too read Fate is the Hunter many years ago.

Skeeter

bajabird - 12-19-2007 at 01:09 PM

yah,
and yes,

the west wind just south of BOLA, have run into it hard several times!

The wind is so very strong even the 300hp debonair has issues.... I have just turned east and flown out into the Sea for a while til it softened up (or til my passengers were at ease). Been into Truckee, Tahoe and Reno many times, as well as the Rockies, OR & WA..... Just love to fly; Baja racing kept me away from the plane this year.

How ya been Skeet?

bajabird - 12-19-2007 at 04:06 PM

good ole baja days :barf: i'd like to go back in time.... (same lures different year (sorry, suppose to be about flying)) same plane different year :rolleyes:

capt. mike - 12-19-2007 at 05:20 PM

hey Rog i can see your house there!

what about that old tree? still ready to cut it up?
ARR manana in the tardes. have helper, will saw for his food. ;^)

Cap - 12-19-2007 at 05:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
hey Cap! = where yer bean?

what's happenin wit the vid??


Been a while, mike, trabajando (flying). Then came back just in time to have a baby! I let my wife do all the work, I really think that is the trick.

The Movie is not only complete, it is the best one to date. The Premiere party was held at the bat cave (KBTF) and special HD DVD players and big screens were brought in just for the event. World wide release has been delayed by a management change at the Cabo Boys Head Quarters. We will have a new web master after the first of the year, and the video production team has a new creative director.
A 3-4 minute clip (trailer)will soon be posted on the web site.

capt. mike - 12-20-2007 at 06:44 AM

nice shots Pomp.

CAP! congrats on the newly added little flyer! wow, looking forward to the con'td adventures de Los Boyz Cabos! i am sand bagging for next Oct too.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-20-2007 at 12:55 PM

Thanks for all the Great Photos!! Brings back lots of Memories;
Landed at Chivato the first time in 1967, The old Hotel was in ruins. Went into some of the old rooms and was amazed at the Decay.
Does any one recall the Aircraft sunk in the Water off of the end of the Runway. Pomp? Cap?
I am looking for any Info that may confirm my sightings.

Thanks Skeet/Loreto

Skeet/Loreto - 12-20-2007 at 04:16 PM

You Flying amigos let me know if I get to Long Winded. Ya Heh!

What not to do while Flying Lesson.

Around 1970 a young man who had been Partying with his Girlfriend a Couple of Days Took off at nite from San Carlos, Calif in his new Cessna 210. Climbed to about 10,000 Ft. headed for Northern Calif.
Missing for Awhile; Found where he had Hit the Mountains near Ukiah Head On Right wing low attitude.
FAA said "Undetermined Cause" Clear Weather good Wind.
He was a member of a Prominent Lumber Family so the Insurance agent wanted a very good investigation.
I tlked to many of his Friends and during one of the Statements I was taking, I ask if he had any Habits known while Flying and Guess What?
His Best Friend said" He would always would get to Altitude, set his Auto Pilot. Set his Wrist Watch Alarm, an take a Short Nap!! Bingo, He never woke up!
Keep Awake While Flying!

Skeet/Loreto
Next Story;
Wrinkled Wings on a Beech.

Cap - 12-21-2007 at 01:36 AM

Keep'em coming. I have been getting a kick out of your tales.

capt. mike - 12-21-2007 at 07:10 AM

well the 206 that started this thread is parked off the ramp in the RV palapaville with the wings off. looks like it is sitting secured waiting for the truck flat bed to take her home to the hospital! i'll do a pixture as soon as it gets light. a strange site on its nose sans gear and wings gone. sad too.

oh well, no one got hurt. insurance is a good thing, her rates are gonna go up tho!

Skeet/Loreto - 12-21-2007 at 08:16 AM

While living and working in Bishop Calif. as an Insurance Investigator, I got a call one day to meet a Pilot at the Bishop Airport and inspect an Aircraft.

This Pilot had taken off rom the Bay Area headed for a Party at some of they Great Ladies Clubs at Elko Nevada. He reported that he was at around 12,000 Feet over the Sierras near Reno Nevada when he hit as he Described as "A Helliva a Windshear and then a Rolling Tuburlance. Reported that he thought the Wongs were going to come off as he observed them Bending/ Flexing beyond Belief!
He headed South and landed at Bishop to Clean out his Shorts.
On examination of the Aircraft the Rivets attaching the SKin to the Fuselage were popped in several places as well as Large Wrinkles on the bottom and top of each Wing extentending nearly to their Tips!

This was a V-Tail Beech. The Ruddervators were still in place with no sign of Damage.

Lesson to remember: When Flying the Sierra's always be aware of the Direction and Speed that forms a Sierra Wave Condition and do your best to stay out of it.

Skeet/Loreto

Next Story; After I seed my Pasture: Don't Fly up a Canyon- A Personal Experience!

tripledigitken - 12-21-2007 at 09:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
While living and working in Bishop Calif. as an Insurance Investigator, I got a call one day to meet a Pilot at the Bishop Airport and inspect an Aircraft.

This Pilot had taken off rom the Bay Area headed for a Party at some of they Great Ladies Clubs at Elko Nevada. He reported that he was at around 12,000 Feet over the Sierras near Reno Nevada when he hit as he Described as "A Helliva a Windshear and then a Rolling Tuburlance. Reported that he thought the Wongs were going to come off as he observed them Bending/ Flexing beyond Belief!
He headed South and landed at Bishop to Clean out his Shorts.
On examination of the Aircraft the Rivets attaching the SKin to the Fuselage were popped in several places as well as Large Wrinkles on the bottom and top of each Wing extentending nearly to their Tips!

This was a V-Tail Beech. The Ruddervators were still in place with no sign of Damage.

Lesson to remember: When Flying the Sierra's always be aware of the Direction and Speed that forms a Sierra Wave Condition and do your best to stay out of it.

Skeet/Loreto

Next Story; After I seed my Pasture: Don't Fly up a Canyon- A Personal Experience!


Skeet,

Any stories of sailplanes along the eastern sierra?

Ken

Skeet/Loreto - 12-21-2007 at 04:03 PM

Ken: That is the next Story:
While running the GAB Office at Bishop , I had lots of spare time so was ask to start Towing Gliders for some of the Locals. Had a Super Cub.

Was just getting started into pulling Dan Schat, Walt Applegate, and Ron Reagan into the Sierra Wave. Would drop them about a 1,000 Ft. above Bishop and they would Soar to 20,000 Ft easy on a Good Wave condition.

On Day was pulling Dan Schat in his new Bolkow Phebes, lift was not to go so we headed South toward Big Pine to check the Lift. It appeared good so I made and Error and turned UP the Canyon to the West, doing fairly well with Lift and it appeared we would have enough Lift to get over the ridge. Boy Was I fooled!!
Instantly The Glider was in Front of me going downward with the Tow Line wrapped around my right Wing and I was being forced Downward. Thank God, Dan saw the Danger and released the Towline, I then released and the Line slipped from around the Wing. I looked forward and was headed directly into the ridge with not enough Lift to get over. I executed a Chandelle and escaped Disaster.. thank God for Super Cubs.!!!!. I had Ron Reagan in the Rear Seat giving him some Training in the Proper way to Tow. After landing and Cleaning our Shorts I informed him Never, Never fly up a Canyon and always remember that Wind Lift can change suddenly coming over any Ridge.

Dan Schat is still Flying, he is Known as the Hawaiian Flyer has an operation in Hawai..

Skeeter;

The Sierra Wave out of Bishop Calif.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-22-2007 at 12:27 PM

Great Photos and Stories;
Sure wish I could get my Photos from Associated Aviation.
Towed a Glider off at Bishop one day and he went to the Eastern Side of Colo. Set a Record at that time.

Blowing Snow wind Chill Factor down to 15 Today. Sure would be nice to be in Loreto!

Take Care.
Skeeter

Landing at PSF video

Stickers - 12-22-2007 at 06:41 PM

http://www.craigtcg.com/rick/baJapanesef.wmv

Last year keeping the nose up and the nose gear attached.

capt. mike - 12-23-2007 at 07:09 AM

hey steeekers nice one. what plane was that? a cherokee? arrow?
looks like you are in the hi perf car biz? do anything for planes? porsche are sort of like air cooled horiz opposed plane motors no?

did you ever see the formula V races small planes with VeeDub engines that do circuit racing aka reno style.
i wish i had more av videos but don't so all you flyers keep posting fun stuff.

Stickers - 12-24-2007 at 12:12 AM

capt. mike

You should know better - that's my Grumman flying in there.

That was last year- and on our way back up from La Paz we stopped in at Serenidad on Saturday night and pigged out.

A friend of mine has the machine shop that makes those Weber like carbs. I just up loaded to his site for the video.
They make a real nice carb. I remember some VW powered planes and those engines sure do look like ours except without the old M4 leaking Marvel. Instead they had mucho little 2 barrels and they were nice.

This uploading of videos is making me get out some old tapes from 18 years ago. I have a video landing at Serenidad 18years ago. I also have video of Carnival in La Paz from that same trip. It's just a lot of trouble figuring out how to edit all the tape. Any Nomads know how to edit video? HELP

capt. mike - 12-24-2007 at 06:32 AM

well hope Mike AKA El Camote ?? checks in he is a vid pro, has a place in SF or did but hardly see him here.

well they hauled out the 206 in pieces yesterday, forklifted onto an enclosed semi trailer then the wings and tail. i have never seen them do it that way, usually a flat bed and bunks straps. so i didn't get any pictures of it. the guys were not very ginger to the body, if it was my bird i'd a been here - more hangar type rash for sure! just from the loading, i'd be peeed.

cold and windy still rules the rooste here. i am ready for warm someplace............

Skeet/Loreto - 12-25-2007 at 11:25 AM

Merry Christmas to all the Baja Flyers.

May God Bless you and make sure your Wheels are Down and Locked!!

Skeet/Loreto


Mike- Made Contact with Ford- Thanks

capt. mike - 12-26-2007 at 09:52 AM

sure thing skeet, he lands here sat for the roast.
i may follow him to el rincon for a nite or 2 before we head out to find some warmth someplace.

like quintana roo!! haha!