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Comandos atack Rosarito Police Department

fdt - 12-19-2007 at 08:08 AM

These comandos are getting more and more defiant, yesterday just past noon a heavily armed comando atacked the Rosarito Police departmant in a clear attempt to masacre the high comands of Rosarito's public safety.
1 dead 2 injured.
Here the complete note;

[Edited on 12-22-2007 by fdt]

Translation

djh - 12-19-2007 at 08:39 AM

Very rough, literal translation from BabelFish... but it helps those of us who are Spanish-challenged understand a bit more:

With the intention to massacre to the High Commands of Beach the Municipal Police of Rosarito, a armed commando entered the facilities of the Direction of Municipal Public Security and opened fire against all, the officials repelaron the aggression. Guillermo I castrate Crown, escort of the Director of Municipal Public Security, passed away at the time of facing the armed group, also the escort, Leonel Pizaña Trip, as well as two civilians, were wounded, wounded who is not of consideration. According to same the personnel of the Municipal Police, around the 12:45 hours of the aggressors arrived yesterday at the facilities of the Direction of Security on board of four light trucks, lowered armed with rifles of assault, they were introduced and they begun to shoot. Who were inside the facilities, they indicated that in all sides there were bullet impacts, but was evident that the attack went directed to the High Commands then its offices were destroyed completely. After the aggression, the armed group approached the light trucks again and fled, leaving them to little distance of the command, a GMC Yukon, two Chevrolet Tahoe and one Suburban. Maximiliano Rodriguez Lizárraga, ordered of the office of the Suboffice of the judge advocate general in Beaches of Rosarito, informed that inside the light trucks were two shippers supplied with cartridges 223 as well as other articles of assault. He added that in place were 30 cartridges calibrates 223, 100 of caliber 7,62 and 23 of the caliber 9 millimeters, the government official indicated that that was what they threw the first inquiries and will be continued investigating the serious attack against the police corporation

DENNIS - 12-19-2007 at 08:47 AM

How can small armys commit these crimes, then disappear into thin air? I don't believe it. Somebody must know where they go in their escape. If the authoritys don't know, they are doing a pee-poor job of protecting themselves as well as the public.
Why is it that the bad guys seem to initiate the confrontations? Why arn't the authoritys pursuing them? Why are the authoritys always on the defensive, the receiving end of the violence?

fdt - 12-19-2007 at 08:51 AM

Now you know why I don't trust those translators, The victims name is Guillermo Castro Corona not castrate crown, not good, shot and castrated. And Simone wants me to use the translators to read the news articles on the radio program.

805gregg - 12-19-2007 at 09:02 AM

Makes me feel real safe.

surfer jim - 12-19-2007 at 09:14 AM

I am glad I am staying home.....

Santiago - 12-19-2007 at 09:23 AM

Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

vandenberg - 12-19-2007 at 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

Most of the time it's difficult to differentiate who's who. :?:

Hook - 12-19-2007 at 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
How can small armys commit these crimes, then disappear into thin air? I don't believe it. Somebody must know where they go in their escape. If the authoritys don't know, they are doing a pee-poor job of protecting themselves as well as the public.
Why is it that the bad guys seem to initiate the confrontations? Why arn't the authoritys pursuing them? Why are the authoritys always on the defensive, the receiving end of the violence?

This is always the most incredible part of these stories. Huge forces that just disappear.

Incompetence, cowardice and complicity are the only possible answers.

Just amazing.........

So, I wonder how that tourists' protection militia is coming along? Ought to be plenty of voluteers for THAT after this.

It's made it across the border

Hook - 12-19-2007 at 10:22 AM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20071219-9...

SDRonni - 12-19-2007 at 10:54 AM

Holy crap! I don't know where the police station is, but we were coming back around 2:15 on the free road. We noticed several military-types on many of the corners carrying machine guns. We thought it was just normal for there. We also saw a white SUV with guys inside with those black masks on their faces. This was just north of Rosarito on the free road. Do you think any of this may have been connected? If so, I consider ourselves very blessed to not have been caught in any crossfire. Oh great, how fortunate for us to have purchased our second home just north of Rosarito (sarcasm intended).......

bajaguy - 12-19-2007 at 11:12 AM

If the depiction of the layout of the facility is correct, it seems as their physical security of the building is non-existant.

There should have been no forced entry (short of explosives) past the reception/screening area in the front, and no forced entry into or past the parking area, let alone into the rear door........makes you wonder :?:

Hook - 12-19-2007 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by SDRonni
Holy crap! I don't know where the police station is, but we were coming back around 2:15 on the free road. We noticed several military-types on many of the corners carrying machine guns. We thought it was just normal for there. We also saw a white SUV with guys inside with those black masks on their faces. This was just north of Rosarito on the free road. Do you think any of this may have been connected? If so, I consider ourselves very blessed to not have been caught in any crossfire. Oh great, how fortunate for us to have purchased our second home just north of Rosarito (sarcasm intended).......

Sounds like you saw either the perps or the interceding forces or both.

Which was which is always hard to tell around Rosarito......... :?:

DENNIS - 12-19-2007 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Sounds like you saw either the perps or the interceding forces or both.

Probably not the perps. With the degree of impunity they seemingly enjoy, they probably went straight to Papas And Beer for refreshments. A hard day's work and all......

Packoderm - 12-19-2007 at 12:13 PM

So what really do these knuckleheads want anyway? Do they want Baja Norte to be like Colombia where we will have to set up a ferry system to bypass the area?

please

gibson - 12-19-2007 at 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
So what really do these knuckleheads want anyway? Do they want Baja Norte to be like Colombia where we will have to set up a ferry system to bypass the area?

Please.. 'keep it real'. If you want to 'find' trouble in Colombia it's certainly possible. However you will have to seek it out (travel way off the beaten path in fact!).
Sounds like this is currently not necessary in beautiful (cough) Rosarito. Colombia's great and gaining momentum fast. back to topic ..

Hook - 12-19-2007 at 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
So what really do these knuckleheads want anyway? Do they want Baja Norte to be like Colombia where we will have to set up a ferry system to bypass the area?

They want the police to simply stay out of their drug-transporting way and continue to accept the bribes they offer. Some, apparently, aren't willing.

Wouldnt martial law be declared in most other countries after all this?

Santiago - 12-19-2007 at 12:40 PM

Here's my question: If I'm a bad guy and I go to my buddies and say, "Let's go shoot up the police station" and they agree, then it must mean that something or someone is hurting or going to hurt my business; enough so that it is worth it to risk my life.
This can only mean that somebody somewhere was actually doing their job: catching bad guys and/or reducing their business.
Am I wrong here???

Stickers - 12-19-2007 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

One thing is the different pay scale. Good guys get "zip" bag guys big bucks. The money and drugs can be quite powerful and make people nuts.

:mad:

Stickers - 12-19-2007 at 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Hook

Wouldnt martial law be declared in most other countries after all this?

I know you have brought up this "marshal law" concept before but what is it?
When they brought in the state police a couple months ago in central Mexico they were all killed that day? So what got accomplished?

losfrailes - 12-19-2007 at 12:51 PM

How about some clarification of the instance where state police were all killed in central Mexico.

I do not believe I am the only one first hearing of this.

Rosarita Police station

rdrrm8e - 12-19-2007 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
If the depiction of the layout of the facility is correct, it seems as their physical security of the building is non-existant.

There should have been no forced entry (short of explosives) past the reception/screening area in the front, and no forced entry into or past the parking area, let alone into the rear door........makes you wonder :?:

That pic is very accurate. The station sits right on the free road in South Rosarita...not downtown. I have been inside the station about 10-12 times. I was burglarized by a gringo and had him arrested. The cops got all my stuff back from the dood and kept changing my requirements to get it back.

Eventually (after a month of trying) the pile of stuff kept getting smaller and smaller. The cops stole it all from me.

There is no security at that station. There is a lobby and glass cubicles on 3 sides. The gate to the parking lot was always open

Hook - 12-19-2007 at 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Hose A

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Originally posted by losfrailes
How about some clarification of the instance where state police were all killed in central Mexico.

I do not believe I am the only one first hearing of this.

It's news to me. I would like to hear dates and number of officers killed.

Might be referring to that shootout up by Cananea in northern Sonora, maybe. But most of those cops killed were locals. And they got most of the bad guys.

Maybe it was some other occurance. We're all ears..........well, I guess eyes on the internet.

Woooosh - 12-19-2007 at 03:59 PM

I got stuck in all the armed forces roadbloacks as well- even leaving Rosarito at 2pm. The cops don't really try to catch these cartel commando guys- they are out trained and outgunned (and undermotivated to say the least). The roadblockc were set up only at the main intersections. With long lines of traffic and plenty of side roads to go around- you'd have to be a pretty stupid criminal not to figure out what was ahead. I'm sure the thugs just ducked under the tollroad to the other side and were home drinking tequila before the roadblocks were even set up.

I can't figure out why they bother with the roadbloacks at all. They all know each other. It is well know that the drug guys live and control the hills of Rosarito called the Colonia. They'll surely come down again next week and try again and then again until they finish the job their bosses sent them to do. I'm surprised the new mayor Hugo Torres has only four bodyguards and a six car convoy these days.

[Edited on 12-19-2007 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 12-19-2007 by Woooosh]

Hook - 12-19-2007 at 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Here's my question: If I'm a bad guy and I go to my buddies and say, "Let's go shoot up the police station" and they agree, then it must mean that something or someone is hurting or going to hurt my business; enough so that it is worth it to risk my life.
This can only mean that somebody somewhere was actually doing their job: catching bad guys and/or reducing their business.
Am I wrong here???

I think they are making a statement to the new "sheriff" in town; Hank Torres. He ran on a platform of cleaning up Rosarito, as I have read. This might have been a "shot across the bow" as it were.

State Police massacre

Stickers - 12-19-2007 at 04:29 PM

sorry for my lack of details but from what I remember at the time these State Police were sent in to replace the corrupt local police and this was the result:

updated 2:42 p.m. PT, Wed., Feb. 7, 2007
ACAPULCO, Mexico - Brazen daylight killings by presumed drug smugglers just up the hill from Acapulco Bay are worrying business leaders that increasingly bloody drug wars will cripple Mexico’s critical tourism industry.

In one of the boldest attacks yet, assassins dressed as soldiers barged into two state police stations shortly before noon Tuesday, demanded the officers hand over their guns and then opened fire. Five police investigators and two secretaries were killed, and witnesses said the simultaneous attacks were videotaped by the assailants.

marla - 12-19-2007 at 05:20 PM

THE HONORABLE IV CITY COUNCIL
PLAYAS DE ROSARITO

PRESS RELEASE :0017
Social Communication/Public Relations
Social Communication Department

Playas de Rosarito, B.C., December 19th, 2007

The Honorable IV City Council of Rosarito condemns
the attempt perpetrated against Public Security

The City Government, headed by Mayor Hugo Eduardo Torres Chabert and the City Council, condemns the violent acts that occurred around 12:40 pm Tuesday, Dec. 18 at City Police headquarters, where officer Guillermo Castro Corona lost his life and four other people were wounded.

These acts were meant to cause intimidation because of the work being done in areas of security since the IV Administration took office on Dec. 1.

We extend our sorrow and deep condolences to the family members of the officer whose life was lost in line of duty, and we let them know that they can count on our sincere support and genuine recognition for the heroic job of the victim.

To the people of Rosarito, we want to express that these violent acts are the result of the job that is being done in Public Security areas, in coordination with the State and Federal Government, and which will not stop until we all live in a secure city. These actions will not stop measures undertaken by the government in Playas de Rosarito.

We trust that the State Attorney’s General Office will conduct an aggressive investigation of this crime, but nevertheless will be vigilant that that it is done.

MEDIA CONTACT: Ron Raposa
ronraposa@hotmail.com
(619)948-3740

“ Un Gobierno Para Todos”
( “ A Government For All” )

DENNIS - 12-19-2007 at 05:53 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Baja Norte and other parts are in the throes of an insurgency. The power and will of the government is being challenged. The challenge is not being met and untill that happens, the ability to resist wanes with every episode.
The government of Mexico allowed these cartels to exist and flourish and now can't stop it. Parts of the government and the cartels are one and the same and will get stronger by the day. PLATA O PLOMO will design the future as it has in the past.
Mexico will never be able to cure the sickness she has brought upon herself. It was diagnosed too late. In the future, the US military will be involved in Mexico again. How else can it play out?

Bajajack - 12-19-2007 at 06:30 PM

Viva la revolución

Von - 12-19-2007 at 11:05 PM

Orale whens the "party"

bring it all to Rosarito!!!!!!

Santiago - 12-20-2007 at 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marla
THE HONORABLE IV CITY COUNCIL
PLAYAS DE ROSARITO

PRESS RELEASE :0017
Social Communication/Public Relations
Social Communication Department

Playas de Rosarito, B.C., December 19th, 2007

The Honorable IV City Council of Rosarito condemns
the attempt perpetrated against Public Security

These acts were meant to cause intimidation because of the work being done in areas of security since the IV Administration took office on Dec. 1.

To the people of Rosarito, we want to express that these violent acts are the result of the job that is being done in Public Security areas, in coordination with the State and Federal Government, and which will not stop until we all live in a secure city. These actions will not stop measures undertaken by the government in Playas de Rosarito.

We trust that the State Attorney’s General Office will conduct an aggressive investigation of this crime, but nevertheless will be vigilant that that it is done.

MEDIA CONTACT: Ron Raposa
ronraposa@hotmail.com
(619)948-3740

“ Un Gobierno Para Todos”
( “ A Government For All” )

Does anyone know what this is in reference to? What work was/is being done?

jimgrms - 12-20-2007 at 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

Being a bad guy pays a lot more money

Santiago - 12-20-2007 at 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by jimgrms

Quote:

Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

Being a bad guy pays a lot more money

Of course, but then how do you explain that all over the world there are countless examples of public servants (military/police officers/swat team members) who risk their lives to kill bad guys who are making a lot more money than them? The answer, of course, is that they do it out of a sense of pride for their job and of duty to their country and way of life. Also, there is a tipping point: when most around you are willing to do it, then you join in. But if no one else is going to rush the gate with guns blasting then you won't either.
I am not suggesting that Mexican officials are any different; only that there is some other reason. To me, it must be that they don't believe that their society, way of life and institutions are worth dieing for. There must be a huge disconnect between the average working Jose and the mid/upper levels of government.
Am I close or way off base (kinda like M. Wills)?

Hook - 12-20-2007 at 11:27 AM

Santiago, I think the wages of the cops and the bad guys (drug trade, specifically) are probably alot closer in countries that are farther from the border of the country that is consuming most of the drugs. The last leg of getting them into the US is probably the most scrutinized and demands the highest wages for the bad guys. Wages so high that even honorable cops are tempted.

Plus, the cost of living is much lower than near the border in many other parts of Mexico and Central America. So, a cops salary down there can probably make ends meet. With all the gringos in Baja, everything is more expensive. Salaries probably havent kept up.

Hook - 12-20-2007 at 12:13 PM

Risk my life and the welfare of my family for 900/month?

You can understand the attraction to the cartel money.

Santiago - 12-20-2007 at 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hose A
[Current salary for a Baja State Police officer [P.E.P.]
is $10,000 pesos [$900 usd] a month. For a 6 day work week. On call 24/7.

Hose A: how does this compare to EMTs, bombaderos, school teachers, Immigration officers. In other words, is this considered a good paying job?

bajadedom - 12-20-2007 at 01:42 PM

Dear all-
We know who and what runs the corrupt system(s) south of the border-so why is it a suprise when anything like this occurs? Until the government authorities out-gun, out-number,out-politic, and out-finance the opposition - nothing will change .......and do you think US development and residency is welcomed by these rogues??? ...get a grip...

jimgrms - 12-20-2007 at 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago

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Originally posted by jimgrms

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Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

Being a bad guy pays a lot more money

maybe they feel that they are beating a dead horse

jimgrms - 12-20-2007 at 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Risk my life and the welfare of my family for 900/month?

You can understand the attraction to the cartel money. [/quote

When in vietnam i made something like 230.00 a month and troops today get around 1500 ,not much more than tj cops

mtgoat666 - 12-20-2007 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Can you imagine that? Just being out and about and a mercenary force shows up and starts blasting? Crazy.

It's like having a Blackwater security detail in town! :lol:

tripledigitken - 12-20-2007 at 03:23 PM

If we had Blackwater in charge of security on the Toll Road, I'd be leaving TJ at 4am like I used to, instead of sunrise!

Ken

Hook - 12-20-2007 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
If we had Blackwater in charge of security on the Toll Road, I'd be leaving TJ at 4am like I used to, instead of sunrise!

Ken

Amen, Ken.

Hook - 12-20-2007 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Hose A
It now seems the Rosarito police chief does not have any faith in his officers ability.

5 State P.E.P officers have been assigned as his bodyguards.

5 State P.E.P. officers as bodyguards to their own commander.

5 State P.E.P. officers as bodyguards to the major of Tecate.

Blackwater...............now, more than ever.

Those boys would get in there and kick some tweaker hiney. :smug:

Packoderm - 12-20-2007 at 06:48 PM

Blackwater would be smart to open operations in countries around the world. Then entities like Rosarito could hire them without a perceived interference from the U.S.

Woooosh - 12-21-2007 at 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Hook

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Blackwater...............now, more than ever.

Those boys would get in there and kick some tweaker hiney. :smug:

They might need more security. The attackers made a second attempt Wednesday- probably while Hugo was authoring his letter to the people of Rosarito. And has Hugo Torres found his kidnapped assistant of 20 years yet? What happenned to that poor guy?

At least they aren't cutting off the heads of the policemen and rolling them on the beach this time like they did to the three unfortunate Rosarito cops here last summer.

Woooosh - 12-21-2007 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by jimgrms

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I never understand this line of justification. You know what the job pays when you sign-up (US military, mexican police or any other job for that matter). If you aren't willing to do the job at the price it pays- just don't apply.

In Vietnam we had the draft- not much choice about whether to take the job (unless you considered the option of fleeing to Canada). These people intentionally take a job that requires additional theft while on-the-job in order to meet the basic living expenses? JMHO

[Edited on 12-21-2007 by Woooosh]

marla - 12-21-2007 at 11:50 AM

Hi I'm writing a web story on this right now to go onto the Orange County Register website. If you live in OC can you call me and let me quote you about your concerns about this? Or if you have any info, give me a call too! None of the wire services have covered it, so I'm elected. Marla phone number 714-796-7994. Thanks!

marla - 12-21-2007 at 12:28 PM

Is there still a military presence around the police station today? Can anyone tell me?

DENNIS - 12-21-2007 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by marla
Hi I'm writing a web story on this right now to go onto the Orange County Register website. If you live in OC can you call me and let me quote you about your concerns about this? Or if you have any info, give me a call too! None of the wire services have covered it, so I'm elected. Marla phone number 714-796-7994. Thanks!

Quote this.....
Mexico is in the throes of an insurgency and, seemingly, doesn't want to do anything about it. They refuse to pursue the insurgents. They gather no intel and if they do, they don't act on it. Baja California should have been swept clean long ago using information gleaned from enemy combatants by using techniques made famous in Mexico. They could even add water-boarding to their repartoire if they havn't done so already but intel that sits on the desk is useless.
Mexico has a virulent cancer that she refuses to treat and this cancer will spread to her boundrys and beyond.
We have yet to see the worst of it.

bajajudy - 12-21-2007 at 01:47 PM

Marla
As a resident and business person in Baja California Sur, I would appreciate if you differentiate between the two states. So far we do not have these problems and I hate being lumped in with Baja California because of uneducated people....they need to know the difference. Most of our tourist fly in and dont have to run the gauntlet through that area.

fdt - 12-21-2007 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by marla
None of the wire services have covered it

They hardly ever do. Maybe they need a Baja correspondent, one that is in Baja. Or they could tune in to our daily radio show and get all the news the OC needs re. Baja California and Baja California Sur. :light:

Packoderm - 12-21-2007 at 04:57 PM

What is this radio show?
Never mind; I clicked on the link.

[Edited on 12/13/2007 by Packoderm]

Bruce R Leech - 12-21-2007 at 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Can someone explain to me why the good guys aren't just as willing to die for their way of life as the bad guys seem to be?

yes Money :lol:

the bad guys are higher paid :light:

[Edited on 12-22-2007 by Bruce R Leech]